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2013-01-02 05:14:55 PM
That was one of DGB's lazier efforts.
 
2013-01-02 05:15:26 PM
FTA: January 23 - Tim Thomas attempts to send a political message by refusing to join his teammates in a meeting with President Barack Obama, making him the year's second most famous Massachusetts-based conservative to fail to get anywhere near the White House.

Ahhh, so much win. XD
 
2013-01-02 05:53:21 PM
I like hockey. I like the Blues. I like going to games. That said, the NHL deserves to die, if for no other reason than it'll put Bettman out of a job, and something better can rise out of the ashes.
 
2013-01-02 05:59:36 PM

grinding_journalist: I like hockey. I like the Blues. I like going to games. That said, the NHL deserves to die, if for no other reason than it'll put Bettman out of a job, and something better can rise out of the ashes.


vince mcmahon brings us...the XHL. goalie interference now legal
 
2013-01-02 06:17:03 PM

animesucks: grinding_journalist: I like hockey. I like the Blues. I like going to games. That said, the NHL deserves to die, if for no other reason than it'll put Bettman out of a job, and something better can rise out of the ashes.

vince mcmahon brings us...the XHL. goalie interference now legal


In the "McMahon" dvd, Vince talks about how he thinks the XFL could have succeeded, but that he let it go due to increasing outside pressure. He thinks that if given enough time and resources, the XFL would still exist today and would be thriving. I wonder what that would mean with the research being done on concussions. I bet the NFL would look way better simply by comparison.

But seriously, someone should organize a pro hockey league to replace the NHL. Let's say a 16-team league with 8 Canadian (Montreal, Quebec, Toronto, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver, Hamilton) and 8 American teams (NY, Boston, Portland/Seattle, Detroit, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington) sound good to me. Start with markets that you know will work, and after the league gets established you'll be able to expand rapidly south.
 
2013-01-02 06:22:30 PM
What is the NHL? National Horse Luge?
 
2013-01-02 06:23:11 PM

lacydog: animesucks: grinding_journalist: I like hockey. I like the Blues. I like going to games. That said, the NHL deserves to die, if for no other reason than it'll put Bettman out of a job, and something better can rise out of the ashes.

vince mcmahon brings us...the XHL. goalie interference now legal

In the "McMahon" dvd, Vince talks about how he thinks the XFL could have succeeded, but that he let it go due to increasing outside pressure. He thinks that if given enough time and resources, the XFL would still exist today and would be thriving. I wonder what that would mean with the research being done on concussions. I bet the NFL would look way better simply by comparison.

But seriously, someone should organize a pro hockey league to replace the NHL. Let's say a 16-team league with 8 Canadian (Montreal, Quebec, Toronto, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver, Hamilton) and 8 American teams (NY, Boston, Portland/Seattle, Detroit, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington) sound good to me. Start with markets that you know will work, and after the league gets established you'll be able to expand rapidly south.


Hamilton can't pull off an AHL team, though. May as well put a team in Hartford.
 
2013-01-02 06:30:52 PM

lacydog: and 8 American teams (NY, Boston, Portland/Seattle, Detroit, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington) sound good to me. Start with markets that you know will work


Hmmm...
 
2013-01-02 06:32:09 PM

Slaves2Darkness: What is the NHL? National Horse Luge?


I'd watch that.
 
2013-01-02 06:37:47 PM
That article was supposed to be funny?
 
2013-01-02 06:40:08 PM

animesucks: grinding_journalist: I like hockey. I like the Blues. I like going to games. That said, the NHL deserves to die, if for no other reason than it'll put Bettman out of a job, and something better can rise out of the ashes.

vince mcmahon brings us...the XHL. goalie interference now legal


BAH GAWD KING THAT'S OVECHKIN'S MUSIC
 
2013-01-02 06:50:46 PM

lacydog: But seriously, someone should organize a pro hockey league to replace the NHL. Let's say a 16-team league with 8 Canadian (Montreal, Quebec, Toronto, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver, Hamilton) and 8 American teams (NY, Boston, Portland/Seattle, Detroit, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington) sound good to me. Start with markets that you know will work.


You know how I can tell you're American?
 
2013-01-02 06:57:38 PM
So I've got a question... I know the leagues are separate(NHL, as opposed to Minor league), but what happens now, since the minor league is basically a farm team for a major league team, much like baseball? Do the minors get locked out, too, or is it just a season where nobody gets called up to the 'Bigs'? (Yeah, I know, it's baseball, but I always wanted to use 'Bigs' in a sentence)
 
2013-01-02 06:59:35 PM
No Hockey League
 
2013-01-02 07:07:05 PM

swahnhennessy: lacydog: and 8 American teams (NY, Boston, Portland/Seattle, Detroit, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington) sound good to me. Start with markets that you know will work

Hmmm...


If Seattle gets an NHL franchise, I will personally show up and start digging the foundation for that fancy new arena the billionaire guy is going to put in place.
 
2013-01-02 07:14:27 PM

Mikey1969: So I've got a question... I know the leagues are separate(NHL, as opposed to Minor league), but what happens now, since the minor league is basically a farm team for a major league team, much like baseball? Do the minors get locked out, too, or is it just a season where nobody gets called up to the 'Bigs'? (Yeah, I know, it's baseball, but I always wanted to use 'Bigs' in a sentence)


The Minor leagues still go on playing. They are under contract. The games get marginally better because a ton of those in between guys (not quite good NHLers but excellent Minor leagers) play down there.

/go Hershey Bears
//I gets nothing else this year it looks like
 
2013-01-02 07:20:42 PM
I want to watch USA-Canada tomorrow, but 4am is a hell of a time to wake up in the morning, with a full day of work after.

I'll probably just wind up checking the final when I get up at a normal time.

I'm going to be even more annoyed when we're dealing with the same thing with the Sochi Olympics next year. Now, those games I really do care about and wan to watch.
 
2013-01-02 07:24:36 PM

Doc Daneeka: I want to watch USA-Canada tomorrow, but 4am is a hell of a time to wake up in the morning, with a full day of work after.


I have no idea why they're being played in the afternoon. Even here in Sweden, the games start at 10 AM. It makes no sense.
 
2013-01-02 07:31:25 PM
steven motherfarking stamkos
 
2013-01-02 07:36:50 PM

russlar: Hamilton can't pull off an AHL team, though. May as well put a team in Hartford.


I don't think that's the fault of the fans.  There is virtually no advertising done to support the team or to get the city excited.  I work in Downtown Hamilton and I don't see a single thing for the Bulldogs.  Hell, even walking by Copps, you don't see anything.  The last time I really saw Bulldogs stuff out on the streets was during the Calder Cup run in 2007.

If they had the marketing that the Ti-Cats get (pole banners, billboads, etc) or even some decent TV coverage (like the Marlies get with Sportsnet), it would be a totally different story.
 
2013-01-02 07:38:17 PM

Rwa2play: FTA: January 23 - Tim Thomas attempts to send a political message by refusing to join his teammates in a meeting with President Barack Obama, making him the year's second most famous Massachusetts-based conservative to fail to get anywhere near the White House.

Ahhh, so much win. XD


As a Bruins fan, that paragraph alone made it worth the click.
 
2013-01-02 07:42:26 PM

Billy Crystal Meth Lab: animesucks: grinding_journalist: I like hockey. I like the Blues. I like going to games. That said, the NHL deserves to die, if for no other reason than it'll put Bettman out of a job, and something better can rise out of the ashes.

vince mcmahon brings us...the XHL. goalie interference now legal

BAH GAWD KING THAT'S OVECHKIN'S MUSIC


Ovechkin's music is gonna be all bow-chick-wow now that he's engaged to Maria Kirilenko.
 
2013-01-02 07:43:43 PM

Piizzadude: Mikey1969: So I've got a question... I know the leagues are separate(NHL, as opposed to Minor league), but what happens now, since the minor league is basically a farm team for a major league team, much like baseball? Do the minors get locked out, too, or is it just a season where nobody gets called up to the 'Bigs'? (Yeah, I know, it's baseball, but I always wanted to use 'Bigs' in a sentence)

The Minor leagues still go on playing. They are under contract. The games get marginally better because a ton of those in between guys (not quite good NHLers but excellent Minor leagers) play down there.

/go Hershey Bears
//I gets nothing else this year it looks like


I figured it was something like that, it's just something I hadn't thought of before...
 
2013-01-02 08:09:09 PM
Ya know, when the LA Kings won the Stanley Cup in June, this ultra-cynical Kings fan didn't believe it.

"Something's got to go wrong with this" I thought. Ownership breaking up the team like Chicago, Jon Quick getting in a drunk driving incident, Brown saying f--k y'all for doubting me -- trade me, Doughty getting fatter, some former Flyers getting stoned up Lindsay Lohan's crotch, something like that.

Thanks Gary Bettman, for providing the dark cloud.

/also sucks there will be a moment of silence on opening night/banner raising if the Kings come back to action, as the longtime PA guy died a few weeks ago.
 
2013-01-02 08:19:55 PM

dholway: That article was supposed to be funny?


As someone else mentioned upthread, for DGB, this article was a bit weak. Still a few good burns though in there.
 
2013-01-02 08:27:50 PM

The Bestest: Slaves2Darkness: What is the NHL? National Horse Luge?

I'd watch that.


Same here. I'm just trying to work it all out. Does a jockey ride a horse standing on a luge? Does a trained horse sit on a luge and go down the track? Is there a way to combine Steeple Chase like jumps into the mix?
Hmm....
How come there are no corkscrew loops in luge or bobsled? or trick ramps?
They could spice it all up by making the tracks wide enough for three bobsleds across and send down heats of six in a bumper to bumper race to the finish.

Anyhoo, I sure hope a deal gets done 'cuz after college football ends, there ain't nothing on I wanna watch until March Madness.
 
2013-01-02 08:49:58 PM
www.lobshots.com
 
2013-01-02 09:00:11 PM
Looks like the talks a moving along :
NHL players returned to the league headquarters at 8:15 p.m. ET Wednesday to find out how close they are to an agreement that would finally launch the 2012-13 season.

Primitive Screwhead: derp


I should add the NFL, AHL & NCAA Hockey to that list but it's tough to watch some random game on a weeknight, because the NFL is in playoffs and there's very little coverage of non-NHL hockey on TV.

Oh look! IIHF replays are on....
 
2013-01-02 09:29:24 PM

lacydog: Start with markets that you know will work,


Then the American list should have Chicago, which has one of the original NHL teams.
 
2013-01-02 09:38:18 PM

animesucks: grinding_journalist: I like hockey. I like the Blues. I like going to games. That said, the NHL deserves to die, if for no other reason than it'll put Bettman out of a job, and something better can rise out of the ashes.

vince mcmahon brings us...the XHL. goalie interference now legal required.

 
2013-01-02 10:03:05 PM

Rent Party: swahnhennessy: lacydog: and 8 American teams (NY, Boston, Portland/Seattle, Detroit, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington) sound good to me. Start with markets that you know will work

Hmmm...

If Seattle gets an NHL franchise, I will personally show up and start digging the foundation for that fancy new arena the billionaire guy is going to put in place.


And what city would that be in? Seattle shouldn't have anything but temporary sports arenas.
 
2013-01-02 10:15:18 PM

WhyteRaven74: lacydog: Start with markets that you know will work,

Then the American list should have Chicago, which has one of the original NHL teams.


Never mind that the Canadian list has Winnipeg, Quebec, and Hamilton, while excluding Edmonton. You know, that team that won five Stanley Cups.

Somebody tell them to quick farking around and get back on the ice. If they give me free NHL Centre Ice for the entire season, I may consider watching something other than the playoffs.
 
2013-01-02 10:16:00 PM
*quit* farking around....

/stupid words.
 
2013-01-02 10:53:52 PM

SDRR: [www.lobshots.com image 541x480]



Your amount of consistence is beautiful.
 
2013-01-02 10:57:09 PM
NHLPA deadline to disclaim or not is in about an hour.
 
2013-01-02 11:17:42 PM

The Bestest: NHLPA deadline to disclaim or not is in about an hour.


DOOOOO IIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTT
 
2013-01-02 11:31:15 PM
Fark you Bergman!
 
2013-01-02 11:58:07 PM
TSNs main story for the past half a year has been a swap picture of Fehr and Bettman in a variety of serious face poses. I know I'm bored without the NHL to watch though the juniors has been refreshing but I can't imagine how bored the hockey writers must be.

Months of Fehr/Bettman pushes X deal, waits for Fehr/Bettman counter proposal has to be the last thing you'd want to cover in the world of sports journalism.
 
2013-01-03 12:45:03 AM
It's looking like the union chose to let the deadline lapse, and to keep negotiating. This doesn't mean they couldn't still disclaim interest, but it would take another vote to do so (which would be a 2-3 day affair). Time is short: Jan. 11 is the drop-dead date for the season.
 
2013-01-03 12:50:07 AM

The Bestest: It's looking like the union chose to let the deadline lapse, and to keep negotiating. This doesn't mean they couldn't still disclaim interest, but it would take another vote to do so (which would be a 2-3 day affair). Time is short: Jan. 11 is the drop-dead date for the season.


Something that I haven't found the answer to is this: was that deadline one set by labor law or a self-imposed one? If it was self-imposed, then they could file the disclaimer at any time, deadlines be damned. Though I'm guessing it's set by law, but I have nothing to prove or disprove that.
 
2013-01-03 12:50:59 AM
Oh, and I forgot:

F*ck you Bergman.
 
2013-01-03 12:52:51 AM
As far as I know it's self-imposed, but my understanding is that the vote itself specified the date, and given that disclaming would be a step towards court action, you probably wouldn't wanna go in there with any legal ambiguities like that.
 
2013-01-03 01:50:07 AM

The Bestest: As far as I know it's self-imposed, but my understanding is that the vote itself specified the date, and given that disclaming would be a step towards court action, you probably wouldn't wanna go in there with any legal ambiguities like that.


OK, definitely if the vote gave a deadline; then they have to stick to it just to avoid added BS.

Interesting to note that there is a mediator involved in this week's talks and that we didn't know that until tonight.

Also, the dumbest potential idea to come out of this mess yet.
 
2013-01-03 04:49:00 AM

desertgeek: The Bestest: As far as I know it's self-imposed, but my understanding is that the vote itself specified the date, and given that disclaming would be a step towards court action, you probably wouldn't wanna go in there with any legal ambiguities like that.

OK, definitely if the vote gave a deadline; then they have to stick to it just to avoid added BS.

Interesting to note that there is a mediator involved in this week's talks and that we didn't know that until tonight.

Also, the dumbest potential idea to come out of this mess yet.


I've heard apparently serious rumours that they were thinking of a 24-game postseason when they redid the divisions.

Even if real, not the dumbest thing Bergman's done, but still.

/the real question: will my copy of NHL 13 let me use the reduced schedule for season mode?
//ow, my wrists
 
2013-01-03 06:19:33 AM
USA crushing Canada right now.

Nice way to start the morning.
 
2013-01-03 07:50:38 AM

Doc Daneeka: USA crushing Canada right now.

Nice way to start the morning.


Loved it... Only caught a few minutes on my way out the door this morning, but that was a satisfying win for the US.

Hopefully, I can catch the replay later today.
 
2013-01-03 08:13:50 AM
woe canada

bahaha

/ was rooting for them
 
2013-01-03 08:32:48 AM

desertgeek: The Bestest: As far as I know it's self-imposed, but my understanding is that the vote itself specified the date, and given that disclaming would be a step towards court action, you probably wouldn't wanna go in there with any legal ambiguities like that.

OK, definitely if the vote gave a deadline; then they have to stick to it just to avoid added BS.

Interesting to note that there is a mediator involved in this week's talks and that we didn't know that until tonight.

Also, the dumbest potential idea to come out of this mess yet.


Yes, this idea is terrible.

That said, let's just skip this regular season and proceed directly to a 30-team tournament for the 2013 Cup. Vancouver and New Jersey get byes for being defending conference champions.
 
2013-01-03 09:31:44 AM

desertgeek: The Bestest: It's looking like the union chose to let the deadline lapse, and to keep negotiating. This doesn't mean they couldn't still disclaim interest, but it would take another vote to do so (which would be a 2-3 day affair). Time is short: Jan. 11 is the drop-dead date for the season.

Something that I haven't found the answer to is this: was that deadline one set by labor law or a self-imposed one? If it was self-imposed, then they could file the disclaimer at any time, deadlines be damned. Though I'm guessing it's set by law, but I have nothing to prove or disprove that.


It was definitely self imposed. Basically the vote they had a few weeks ago gave fehr "the power to do a disclamer" with the restriction that the power be revoked on X date. that way he didnt keep the power forever without the players in full agreement.

They can always hold another vote and give fehr another period to use the disclamer but it appears the initial threat has worked (like in the NFL and NBA) to get the owners woken up to see the shiat they are shovelling.

Word is the NHL has come down from some of their stupid numbers because of this threat. Now its just a matter of actually finding the middle ground. Why the NHL wanted to play it like this is beyond me. They are losing on every front no matter what they gain back from the players.

Fehr is definitely out dueling Bettman .
 
2013-01-03 09:49:10 AM
This could have been solved long ago. Lock everyone in a room with a loaf of bread and a case of water. Nobody leaves til this is figured out.
 
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