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(Kansas City)   More than a century after Carrie Nation started the Temperance Movement, Kansas may allow liquor to be sold in grocery stores. Your move, Pennsylvania   (kansascity.com) divider line 136
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2013-01-02 12:19:29 PM
You can purchase liquor almost everywhere here in Louisiana. We even have frozen daiquiri places with drive-thru windows.
 
2013-01-02 12:37:23 PM
A couple of our Giant Eagles tired selling wine but it didn't last long

They DO sell beer now though...
 
2013-01-02 12:39:22 PM
To be fair, there's nothing to do in Kansas but get drunk.
 
2013-01-02 12:39:28 PM
More than a century after Carrie Nation started the Temperance Movement, Kansas may allow liquor to be sold in grocery stores. Your move, Pennsylvania marijuana.
/ftfu
 
2013-01-02 12:40:49 PM
over new year's eve i was a little startled by the thought that this country once thought it was a good idea to prohibit alcohol.
 
2013-01-02 12:42:24 PM
 
2013-01-02 12:42:38 PM
I'm surprised they don't have a "Liquor Show" loophole
 
2013-01-02 12:44:34 PM
I'm still pissed that there are any idiotic laws like that still in place anywhere. It's quite frustrating trying to buy alcohol past 2am or on a Sunday morning in MI. Particularly when one works nights and 2am is like mid afternoon on my night off. Can we please stop trying to regulate non-harmful actions and morals with the fist of government?
 
2013-01-02 12:44:38 PM
I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas
 
2013-01-02 12:45:25 PM

albert71292: You can purchase liquor almost everywhere here in Louisiana. We even have frozen daiquiri places with drive-thru windows.


I love how they leave 1" of paper wrapper on the top of the straw so its not an "open container".
 
2013-01-02 12:45:37 PM

buzzcut73: I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas


Dude, just fly over us next time. We don't mind. Really.
 
2013-01-02 12:45:48 PM
Liquor laws just confuse the hell out me.  I grew up in an MD country where All Alcohol had to be purchased at a liquor store, but they were all privately owned.  One county up it was beer and wine in the supermarkets, but all hard booze came from county-run and owned ABC stores.  Supposedly red State VA is like that all over the state.  My favorite was Chicago where Beer and liquor are equally available at your local supermarkets which means two things: Shopping is a LOT more fun on "free sample" days, and you can sometimes get mega door-buster, loss-leader type promotions on booze right around the holidays
 
2013-01-02 12:46:02 PM

taurusowner: I'm still pissed that there are any idiotic laws like that still in place anywhere. It's quite frustrating trying to buy alcohol past 2am or on a Sunday morning in MI. Particularly when one works nights and 2am is like mid afternoon on my night off. Can we please stop trying to regulate non-harmful actions and morals with the fist of government?


Michigan has had Sunday morning sales for a while now.
 
2013-01-02 12:46:07 PM
already sold in supermarkets in PA subby
 
2013-01-02 12:46:24 PM
If the red states truly want smaller government, they can start to demonstrate that by removing intrusive morality laws such as this one.
 
2013-01-02 12:47:07 PM

meanmutton: taurusowner: I'm still pissed that there are any idiotic laws like that still in place anywhere. It's quite frustrating trying to buy alcohol past 2am or on a Sunday morning in MI. Particularly when one works nights and 2am is like mid afternoon on my night off. Can we please stop trying to regulate non-harmful actions and morals with the fist of government?

Michigan has had Sunday morning sales for a while now.


Then I need to find some better stores who got the memo.
 
2013-01-02 12:47:11 PM

taurusowner: I'm still pissed that there are any idiotic laws like that still in place anywhere. It's quite frustrating trying to buy alcohol past 2am or on a Sunday morning in MI. Particularly when one works nights and 2am is like mid afternoon on my night off. Can we please stop trying to regulate non-harmful actions and morals with the fist of government?


Taco Cabana serves margaritas at 7 AM in TX.

/the more you know
 
2013-01-02 12:48:10 PM
I can buy beer in a few higher end stores now in PA, Whole Foods, some Wegmans and some Giant stores. I ALWAYS buy beer at WF because it's just.. exciting to see it there, I can't resist.
 
2013-01-02 12:48:51 PM

buzzcut73: I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas


Obviously you didn't know the secret handshake. Move along, drifter.
 
2013-01-02 12:49:01 PM

buzzcut73: I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas


It's called "Baptist Beer".
 
2013-01-02 12:50:36 PM
You can get REALLY farked up on Taco Cabana Margaritas. About the only good thing they sell though, although, those greasy tacos are not all that bad, not I take that back, the margaritas are all they sell that is good, but they will FARK you up........why all the cops hang out at Taco Cabana....
 
2013-01-02 12:51:23 PM

busy chillin': buzzcut73: I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas

Dude, just fly over us next time. We don't mind. Really.


Heh. I was just venting. I usually do fly over. IIRC, that lame story came from when I was bringing my daughter back to her mom's house when they still lived in KS. It had already been a long day starting with a 4 hour delay in Kona, having to rebook in LA and DFW to get to Kansas City, a 3 hour drive from there in crappy weather...I just wanted to get back to my dad's place in SW MO and didn't make it. Weak beer was the final nail in the coffin.

/On the bright side, I did get to drop off a few rolls of Kodachrome that I hadn't gotten around to mailing to Dwayne's yet.
 
2013-01-02 12:51:25 PM
I just learned that in Indiana if the property of an establishment wishing to sell alcohol abutts the property of a church, they have to get permission from the priest/pastor/head (though not Jesus, I assume) to be allowed to sell alcohol. But still never on Sundays or Christmas.
 
2013-01-02 12:51:31 PM

albert71292: You can purchase liquor almost everywhere here in Louisiana. We even have frozen daiquiri places with drive-thru windows.


For that, I'm grateful.  When I went to Florida to go to school, I was utterly shocked that you had to go to liquor stores for liquor.
 
2013-01-02 12:51:31 PM
God, I remember what a pain it was to just get a case of Yuengling in PA before they started selling in Ohio.

Speaking of Ohio....while you can buy liquor in the grocery store, you can't buy anything more then 80 proof I believe. Also, no free wine tastings at vineyards (have to give them at least a quarter) or anyplace else that isn't a restaurant. No beer sales past midnight and on Sundays before a certain time (if you have the proper license of course).

/still have three bottles of Everclear before it got neutered in West Virginia
 
2013-01-02 12:51:42 PM

amindtat: Beer selection at the Wilkes-Barre, PA location of Wegmans


The Wegmans in Branchburg NJ does the same thing, but I think they had to buy a liquor license. It would be nice if NJ did away with that crap, and allowed at least beer and wine to be sold anywhere that tobacco is sold...
 
2013-01-02 12:51:52 PM
More than a century after Carrie Nation started the Temperance Movement, KansasBrownbackistan may allow liquor to be sold in grocery stores. Your move, Pennsylvania

Farking shiathole. Drove from Cali to Topucka once, arriving on a Sunday. Stopped to fuel up the truck and buy a 6-pack, only to discover they can't sell beeralcohol on Sundays. WTF is wrong with that place?
 
2013-01-02 12:51:59 PM

Maud Dib: buzzcut73: I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas

It's called "Baptist Beer".


It's called "shiat" and it fits in well with the state's general motif.

/Fark kansas
 
2013-01-02 12:52:10 PM

ChipNASA: More than a century after Carrie Nation started the Temperance Movement, Kansas may allow liquor to be sold in grocery stores. Your move, Pennsylvania marijuana.
/ftfu


Yes - the next generation will say "Can you believe once that tobacco was LEGAL and marijuana ILLEGAL?"

P.S. Here's something I've never seen mentioned concerning alcohol and pot: Pot will make you drink less alcohol. If I"m getting high and drinking, I seriously drink maybe 1 beer...mostly I want my "high" from the weed and "beer" for hydration which it doesn't work so I go to water. Realizing this is but anecdotal evidence - any one else experience this?
 
2013-01-02 12:52:57 PM

theurge14: If the red states truly want smaller government, they can start to demonstrate that by removing intrusive morality laws such as this one.


But these kind of laws are ok when they are shoving their version of morality and religion down ones throat.
 
2013-01-02 12:54:16 PM

Counter_Intelligent: albert71292: You can purchase liquor almost everywhere here in Louisiana. We even have frozen daiquiri places with drive-thru windows.

For that, I'm grateful.  When I went to Florida to go to school, I was utterly shocked that you had to go to liquor stores for liquor.


I think Florida is where you can't buy 40's as well, but you can buy single bottles of beer from a gas station. You can't in Ohio, which I reminded an asshole Floridian that we were in Ohio when he took a single bottle out of a 6 pack and tried to buy it.
 
2013-01-02 12:54:26 PM
Yes, it's not terribly convenient to always have to buy your liquore from a liquor store. But what really irks me about this law is that you can't buy ice, mixers or limes or anything at the liquor store.

Just want a couple of G&Ts while you're watching the game tonight? That's still two stops on your way home, unless you find one of the liquor stores that happen have a small "party store" located inside. But then you have to flag down an employee and they have to ring it up as two separate purchases....
 
2013-01-02 12:55:18 PM

Burr: asshole Floridian


I should say he was an asshole because he spent the next 5 minutes arguing with me about it.
 
2013-01-02 12:55:28 PM

theurge14: If the red states truly want smaller government, they can start to demonstrate that by removing intrusive morality laws such as this one.


Obviously you don't understand capitalism...you want freedom? Somebody got to get paid...

/just sayin': if politicians are talking, they lying.
 
2013-01-02 12:55:55 PM

buntz: A couple of our Giant Eagles tired selling wine but it didn't last long

They DO sell beer now though...


To be fair, it didn't work because it was a vending machine that you had to a) take a BAC test to use, B) show your ID to a video camera and C) you had a choice of Turning Leaf and similar trash.
 
2013-01-02 12:56:19 PM
shiat, I don't like the idea of Oklahoma being behind Kansas in anything. But maybe this will help OK pass similar laws. It drives me nuts that I can't just walk into a supermarket and grab a bottle of wine or something stronger than 3.2 beer.
 
2013-01-02 12:57:16 PM

pute kisses like a man: over new year's eve i was a little startled by the thought that this country once thought it was a good idea to prohibit alcohol.


It was a grim enabler of domestic violence back then. For a disenfranchised majority that had no rights, no freedoms, no income, and no financial or political independence, and with no abuse helplines, no marriage counseling, no Alcoholics Anonymous and no women's shelters of any kind, it's understandable why women felt the need to get rid of booze, once they were officially given the right to do so.
 
2013-01-02 12:59:34 PM
Just in time for Kansas to become the People's Christian Republic of Brownbackistan, too.
 
2013-01-02 01:00:26 PM

Magorn: Liquor laws just confuse the hell out me.  I grew up in an MD country where All Alcohol had to be purchased at a liquor store, but they were all privately owned.  One county up it was beer and wine in the supermarkets, but all hard booze came from county-run and owned ABC stores.  Supposedly red State VA is like that all over the state.  My favorite was Chicago where Beer and liquor are equally available at your local supermarkets...


I get spoiled by Missouri's surprisingly liberal alcohol laws. Outside of the 1:30 am cutoff rules, there aren't many restrictions in place around here. I've had relatives literally freak out at the large beer and liquor departments in our grocery and convenience stores. We're talking like taking pictures and posting it on Facebook.

/Feels sorry for people from Dallas
 
2013-01-02 01:02:13 PM

Anne.Uumellmahaye: I just learned that in Indiana if the property of an establishment wishing to sell alcohol abutts the property of a church, they have to get permission from the priest/pastor/head (though not Jesus, I assume) to be allowed to sell alcohol. But still never on Sundays or Christmas.


Sounds like an unconstitutional accomodation of religion. Alaska has an equally bad law where alcohol cannot be sold so many feet from a church. If the store owner wanted to lawyer up, he could shoot it down forever.
 
2013-01-02 01:02:32 PM

CheekyMonkey: amindtat: Beer selection at the Wilkes-Barre, PA location of Wegmans

The Wegmans in Branchburg NJ does the same thing, but I think they had to buy a liquor license. It would be nice if NJ did away with that crap, and allowed at least beer and wine to be sold anywhere that tobacco is sold...


Same at the Wegmans in Princeton, but Branchburg is a much physically bigger store. I also like that Wegmans chooses to *not* sell any tobacco products anymore.
 
2013-01-02 01:02:47 PM
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Well even their friends don't like that name Kelly Affiar
 
2013-01-02 01:03:19 PM
Or Oklahoma. Nothing more than near-Beer in Grocery stores, and Liquor stores are still shuttered on Sundays.
 
2013-01-02 01:05:02 PM
I never thought I'd say I'm happy to live in Nebraska. I can get my liquor and beer and wine at a convenience store, grocery store, liquor store. hell, nearly anywhere
 
2013-01-02 01:05:10 PM
I grew up in PA so I was used to weird laws -- then I moved to Ohio and figured out the 80 proof crap (and I was in a college town and you needed a car to get to the only liquor store nearby). That was more taunting than anything -- "Hey, we can sell beer, wine and flavored vodka and rum crap anywhere, but not everything else"

I did once buy a fifth of Jack in a Walmart in Indiana -- just not on Sunday or Election Day before the polls close.

Minnesota is like how Pennsylvania is becoming, grocery stores can sell anything (including liquor) but they have to be "separate". In the actual grocery store itself, it's only near beer.

North Carolina has this weird rule where it's legal to buy alcohol on Sundays. It's taking some getting used to. But that's balanced by needing to go to the ABC store to buy liquor, but they ONLY sell liquor and you need to go to the grocery store to get beer and wine.
 
2013-01-02 01:05:29 PM

WTF Indeed: To be fair, there's nothing to do in Kansas but get drunk.


Is sex that bad?.
 
2013-01-02 01:07:06 PM

Ishkur: It was a grim enabler of domestic violence back then. For a disenfranchised majority that had no rights, no freedoms, no income, and no financial or political independence, and with no abuse helplines, no marriage counseling, no Alcoholics Anonymous and no women's shelters of any kind, it's understandable why women felt the need to get rid of booze, once they were officially given the right to do so.


I was just thinking about that. Spousal abuse used to be the norm, but no doubt it was still way worse when hubby was drunk (just like today!). To think that the agreed-upon solution was not to draw tight and enforce the laws about assault on women, but instead just ban alcohol. Dayum.

rempy: already sold in supermarkets in PA subby


Is it available in every supermarket, every day, all day, in any quantity? Or are some (like the aforementioned Weggies and Whole Foods) just exercising 6-pack shop licenses? It isn't the same. I grew up in PA, went to school in PA, and now I live in South Carolina. I've seen just about every twist on strange liquor laws (short of Utah's low-ABV beer and bar/restaurant rules).

But an ACME that lets you buy one 12-pack and only one 12-pack isn't really the same thing as "supermarkets sell beer." Or wine, for that matter.
 
2013-01-02 01:07:17 PM

CygnusDarius: WTF Indeed: To be fair, there's nothing to do in Kansas but get drunk.

Is sex that bad?.


With Kansas girls?
 
2013-01-02 01:07:53 PM
Damn. The only thing I can buy at grocery stores is beer.
 
2013-01-02 01:08:16 PM
amindtat:
Beer selection at the Wilkes-Barre, PA location of Wegmans

rempy:
already sold in supermarkets in PA subby


technically - some supermarkets do sell beer (such as Wegman's) but they're separate shops (with separate entrances and registers) attached to the supermarket. there isn't a "beer isle" - you can't drop a 6 pack in your cart then go for your milk and bread like in most normal states. if you buy any alcohol, you have to leave the store, put it in your car, then come back in to shop.

a lot of convenience stores here in PA are the same way - they'll have two entrances. one will take you into the regular store, and the beer/6 pack store will be a separate entrance and walled off from the rest of the store. if you want gasoline and a 6 pack of Yuengling, you just have to go to two separate cash registers.

/still shocked that some liquors stores are now even open on Sundays here in PA
 
2013-01-02 01:10:05 PM

Anne.Uumellmahaye: I just learned that in Indiana if the property of an establishment wishing to sell alcohol abutts the property of a church, they have to get permission from the priest/pastor/head (though not Jesus, I assume) to be allowed to sell alcohol. But still never on Sundays or Christmas.


Indiana has the same law for elementary schools. They need to get permission of the priest in the neighboring church, plus they must produce pictures of the children so the clergy can make an informed judgement.
 
2013-01-02 01:10:22 PM

the_end_is_rear: theurge14: If the red states truly want smaller government, they can start to demonstrate that by removing intrusive morality laws such as this one.

But these kind of laws are ok when they are shoving their version of morality and religion down ones throat.


Ah, because hypocrisy.

We're so blessed in Orlando that we can buy alcohol after noon on Sundays now. Until relatively recently, one couldn't get it at all on the Lord's day. All hail our Christian masters and their beneficence.
 
2013-01-02 01:10:25 PM

buzzcut73: busy chillin': buzzcut73: I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas

Dude, just fly over us next time. We don't mind. Really.

Heh. I was just venting. I usually do fly over. IIRC, that lame story came from when I was bringing my daughter back to her mom's house when they still lived in KS. It had already been a long day starting with a 4 hour delay in Kona, having to rebook in LA and DFW to get to Kansas City, a 3 hour drive from there in crappy weather...I just wanted to get back to my dad's place in SW MO and didn't make it. Weak beer was the final nail in the coffin.

/On the bright side, I did get to drop off a few rolls of Kodachrome that I hadn't gotten around to mailing to Dwayne's yet.


it's all good.

Cheers. (with beer from the liquor store)

/but seriously, we don't mind when y'all fly over us.
 
2013-01-02 01:11:09 PM
Prohibition: worst idea since... ever.
I mean really, were they having a contest for the best cunning-plans-not-thought-through?

/"this lady had a plan to create crime and violence with a nation sized buzzkill zone"
/"hey that's fantastic, lets get congress in on it!"
 
2013-01-02 01:11:55 PM
Minnesota still has the same crap laws. Also can't buy alcohol on Sundays. I'm from WI so this kills me.
 
2013-01-02 01:13:02 PM

factoryconnection: Is it available in every supermarket, every day, all day, in any quantity? Or are some (like the aforementioned Weggies and Whole Foods) just exercising 6-pack shop licenses? It isn't the same. I grew up in PA, went to school in PA, and now I live in South Carolina. I've seen just about every twist on strange liquor laws (short of Utah's low-ABV beer and bar/restaurant rules).


It is just six packs, and it is sold away from the food as far as I have seen. I think wegmans has wine too, I know some stores are using vending machines for wine and beer though. It really only seems to be the biggest and best stores that can afford the bribes license and whatnot.
 
2013-01-02 01:13:20 PM
No wine, beer or liquor in RI grocery stores. No beer at the gas staions, either.
The Liquor Lobby (which, if I'm not mistaken, translates as "Family-Controlled Distributors") is to blame. It ain't always the Baptists...
 
2013-01-02 01:13:21 PM

albert71292: You can purchase liquor almost everywhere here in Louisiana. We even have frozen daiquiri places with drive-thru windows.


Here in Texas beer and wine are available in the grocery store. And right down the road in New Mexico anything goes. You can get hard liquor at 7-11 or even Walgreens. Gotta love New Mexico!
 
2013-01-02 01:13:35 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the way PA sells alcohol?  Although, as a man who lived down South, I was shocked last year when I went to Ohio and saw tequila and Russian tap water (otherwise known as vodka) sold in Wal-Mart.  Not even down South would you see that!
 
2013-01-02 01:14:42 PM
What a grocery store in Louisiana might look like. Bonus: I can easily walk there from my house.

acquistapaces.com

/Now I'm thirsty...
 
2013-01-02 01:15:04 PM

fustanella: the_end_is_rear: theurge14: If the red states truly want smaller government, they can start to demonstrate that by removing intrusive morality laws such as this one.

But these kind of laws are ok when they are shoving their version of morality and religion down ones throat.

Ah, because hypocrisy.

We're so blessed in Orlando that we can buy alcohol after noon on Sundays now. Until relatively recently, one couldn't get it at all on the Lord's day. All hail our Christian masters and their beneficence.


Or as I call them..... The Christian Taliban.

And yes I do know that not all Christians are that way.
 
2013-01-02 01:15:18 PM

Marine1: Maud Dib: buzzcut73: I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas

It's called "Baptist Beer".

It's called "shiat" and it fits in well with the state's general motif.

/Fark kansas


Colorado, known for being home to some great craft breweries, also limits grocery stores to 3.2 beer.
 
2013-01-02 01:16:24 PM

Magorn: Liquor laws just confuse the hell out me.  I grew up in an MD country where All Alcohol had to be purchased at a liquor store, but they were all privately owned.  One county up it was beer and wine in the supermarkets, but all hard booze came from county-run and owned ABC stores.  Supposedly red State VA is like that all over the state.  My favorite was Chicago where Beer and liquor are equally available at your local supermarkets which means two things: Shopping is a LOT more fun on "free sample" days, and you can sometimes get mega door-buster, loss-leader type promotions on booze right around the holidays


Virginia supported Obama two elections in a row, and has now elected Democrats in theree consecutive Senate elections....

The idiocy that is Virginia ABC was a product of Democrats.  When the Catholic Republican who's in office now wanted to replace the ABC, Democrats in the Senate scuttled it because it'd reduce revenue.  Uh, yeah.  And people might drink.  Peddling vice is bad unless the Commonwealth does it.

//I still want some good Rye, but I can't find it because ABC doesn't sell it
 
2013-01-02 01:16:24 PM

bluorangefyre: Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the way PA sells alcohol?  Although, as a man who lived down South, I was shocked last year when I went to Ohio and saw tequila and Russian tap water (otherwise known as vodka) sold in Wal-Mart.  Not even down South would you see that!


Moved from PA to CT. Buying beer on Sundays at any grocery store is heaven.
 
2013-01-02 01:19:08 PM

Donnchadha: CygnusDarius: WTF Indeed: To be fair, there's nothing to do in Kansas but get drunk.

Is sex that bad?.

With Kansas girls?


Is it really that bad of a choice?.

Marine1: Maud Dib: buzzcut73: I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas

It's called "Baptist Beer".

It's called "shiat" and it fits in well with the state's general motif.

/Fark kansas


When the zombies rise, or the robots try to kill us, or the bombs fall, or whichever is your favorite apocalyptic event (mine is simple societal decline, like the Western Romans) happens, it won't be that bad.

Then again, the world needs to go down the drain for that booze to be decent, so there.
 
2013-01-02 01:19:45 PM
As a Pennsylvanian, I hope PA never loses the PLCB stores.
Scenario: Teenager wants a bottle of Bacardi
1) Privately-owned, responsible store
2) PLCB store
3) Privately-owned store who is hurting for cash to pay their rent/bills
4) Privately-owned store with unscrupulous friend of teenager cashier or unscrupulous owner

First two, the teenager gets shot down immediately.
Unfortunately, although they may be in the minority, there will be enough of stores 3 and 4.

Let's stick to the PLCB stores.
 
2013-01-02 01:20:43 PM

Texas Gabe: albert71292: You can purchase liquor almost everywhere here in Louisiana. We even have frozen daiquiri places with drive-thru windows.

Here in Texas beer and wine are available in the grocery store. And right down the road in New Mexico anything goes. You can get hard liquor at 7-11 or even Walgreens. Gotta love New Mexico!


Just don't try to get anything on Christmas. You'll be disappointed.
/Also learned the hard wayyznf08
 
2013-01-02 01:20:57 PM
Is Bourbon county still dry?

I was always amused at that one...
 
2013-01-02 01:21:28 PM

ashinmytomatoes: What a grocery store in Louisiana might look like. Bonus: I can easily walk there from my house.

[acquistapaces.com image 800x600]

/Now I'm thirsty...

COLORADO (But they may be going down for tax evasion.)


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-02 01:21:58 PM

pgh9fan: As a Pennsylvanian, I hope PA never loses the PLCB stores.
Scenario: Teenager wants a bottle of Bacardi
1) Privately-owned, responsible store
2) PLCB store
3) Privately-owned store who is hurting for cash to pay their rent/bills
4) Privately-owned store with unscrupulous friend of teenager cashier or unscrupulous owner

First two, the teenager gets shot down immediately.
Unfortunately, although they may be in the minority, there will be enough of stores 3 and 4.

Let's stick to the PLCB stores.


So, to hell with everyone else in order to protect the snowflakes (from something they could do in a lot of other western nations legally)?
 
2013-01-02 01:23:39 PM

pgh9fan: As a Pennsylvanian, I hope PA never loses the PLCB stores.
Scenario: Teenager wants a bottle of Bacardi
1) Privately-owned, responsible store
2) PLCB store
3) Privately-owned store who is hurting for cash to pay their rent/bills
4) Privately-owned store with unscrupulous friend of teenager cashier or unscrupulous owner

First two, the teenager gets shot down immediately.
Unfortunately, although they may be in the minority, there will be enough of stores 3 and 4.


Please provide evidence of prevalence of three and four in other states.  Specific examples.  Five will suffice.

/Went to HS in PA
//Y'all make VA look downright reasonable
 
2013-01-02 01:25:33 PM

DemDave: Yes, it's not terribly convenient to always have to buy your liquore from a liquor store. But what really irks me about this law is that you can't buy ice, mixers or limes or anything at the liquor store.

Just want a couple of G&Ts while you're watching the game tonight? That's still two stops on your way home, unless you find one of the liquor stores that happen have a small "party store" located inside. But then you have to flag down an employee and they have to ring it up as two separate purchases....


What state has that retarded law?
 
2013-01-02 01:26:25 PM

Rude Turnip: CheekyMonkey: amindtat: Beer selection at the Wilkes-Barre, PA location of Wegmans

The Wegmans in Branchburg NJ does the same thing, but I think they had to buy a liquor license. It would be nice if NJ did away with that crap, and allowed at least beer and wine to be sold anywhere that tobacco is sold...

Same at the Wegmans in Princeton, but Branchburg is a much physically bigger store. I also like that Wegmans chooses to *not* sell any tobacco products anymore.


Hmm. I did not know that (probably because I have no use for tobacco). Yet another reason to love them...
 
2013-01-02 01:28:14 PM

the_end_is_rear: theurge14: If the red states truly want smaller government, they can start to demonstrate that by removing intrusive morality laws such as this one.

But these kind of laws are ok when they are shoving their version of morality and religion down ones throat.


Isn't always morality (but started out that way - the Temperance movement was one of big progressive causes back in the day), but money. Virginia, Maryland and Rhode Island have some crazy laws but are not "red states". One purple, two very, very blue.
 
2013-01-02 01:28:26 PM

bluorangefyre: Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the way PA sells alcohol?


If you're used to it, it works. The six-pack retail prices at just about every bar in State College for a last-call supply run kicked ass and I've not seen that level of convenience elsewhere. Being able to buy actual cases of anything at the distributor, with the lower-than-most-places prices they had was also quite nice.

However there is something to be said, as an adult, being able to buy beer and wine along with all my other groceries, in the same store at the same time, and if I need a lot of either or both for a party I can get it. But then I get along withouth liquor being so convenient, so there you are.
 
2013-01-02 01:31:03 PM

Banned on the Run: DemDave: Yes, it's not terribly convenient to always have to buy your liquore from a liquor store. But what really irks me about this law is that you can't buy ice, mixers or limes or anything at the liquor store.

Just want a couple of G&Ts while you're watching the game tonight? That's still two stops on your way home, unless you find one of the liquor stores that happen have a small "party store" located inside. But then you have to flag down an employee and they have to ring it up as two separate purchases....

What state has that retarded law?


*checks profile (derp)

Kansas City (question now slightly less derpy)
KS or MO?
 
2013-01-02 01:32:02 PM

poconojoe: technically - some supermarkets do sell beer (such as Wegman's) but they're separate shops (with separate entrances and registers) attached to the supermarket. there isn't a "beer isle" - you can't drop a 6 pack in your cart then go for your milk and bread like in most normal states. if you buy any alcohol, you have to leave the store, put it in your car, then come back in to shop.


Do legislators know that not every person owns a car?
 
2013-01-02 01:33:31 PM
Having first hand knowledge of the way PA laws work, there is a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation out there. The first being that the PLCB is some type of tyrannical, puritan nanny state organization hell bent on stopping anyone from getting their drink on...it's actually quite the opposite. State laws require alcohol to be sold in a certain manner which is regulated by PLCB, the PLCB is pushing for modernization and allowing sales within grocery stores and other venues but the major pushbacks are coming from lobbyist groups and private organizations who stand to lose (beer distributors and MADD).

A big part of the problem is the fact that in some way small businesses will always be disenfranchised with progress. The more licenses given to the Wal-Marts of the world, the less mom & pop beer shops there are. With the insanely huge size of PA's legislature it's an exercise in complete futility to get any changes on the lawbooks because of the vast representation.

On the other side is the privatization argument, in it's purest sense right now the way it works is that the more booze that's sold, the less you pay in taxes. The store side is pushing towards matching privatization also but they get stymied every 4 years when there is a change in leadership and the new governor appoints a new boss. Anyone with business sense knows it takes longer than 4 years to put together an effective business strategy.

The latest chairman is a plant by Corbett who has his own agenda and is turning back all the changes made from the previous administration. It's way too many hands in the pot.

My own personal take is that it doesn't really matter to me as long as I don't pay more in taxes and as long as dirtbag drug dealing crime dens get liquor licenses.
 
2013-01-02 01:35:26 PM

pgh9fan: As a Pennsylvanian, I hope PA never loses the PLCB stores.
Scenario: Teenager wants a bottle of Bacardi
1) Privately-owned, responsible store
2) PLCB store
3) Privately-owned store who is hurting for cash to pay their rent/bills
4) Privately-owned store with unscrupulous friend of teenager cashier or unscrupulous owner

First two, the teenager gets shot down immediately.
Unfortunately, although they may be in the minority, there will be enough of stores 3 and 4.

Let's stick to the PLCB stores.


And New Jersey residents believe it takes a professional to pump gas. Your example is in such a minority across the nation that it's silly to base laws on it. The penalties for selling to minors have become so great that even 40-year-olds are carded now. Selling that $10 bottle of Bicardi to a young-looking person just isn't worth the possible punishment.
 
2013-01-02 01:35:49 PM

rempy: already sold in supermarkets in PA subby



Living in PA fail.

If I want beer I have to go to the distributor or one of the bar/restaurants that sell 6 packs. If I want liquor, I have to go to the state store. Never have seen a convenience store that sold either. I've heard of a handful of chains that sold 6 packs but that's about it, and they're confined to a small geographic region.
 
2013-01-02 01:37:28 PM

Anne.Uumellmahaye: I just learned that in Indiana if the property of an establishment wishing to sell alcohol abutts the property of a church, they have to get permission from the priest/pastor/head (though not Jesus, I assume) to be allowed to sell alcohol. But still never on Sundays or Christmas.


That's a step up from TX and most states, in which there's an absolute no liquor radius of at least 500' around churches and schools.
 
2013-01-02 01:38:15 PM

poconojoe: amindtat:
Beer selection at the Wilkes-Barre, PA location of Wegmans

rempy:
already sold in supermarkets in PA subby

technically - some supermarkets do sell beer (such as Wegman's) but they're separate shops (with separate entrances and registers) attached to the supermarket. there isn't a "beer isle" - you can't drop a 6 pack in your cart then go for your milk and bread like in most normal states. if you buy any alcohol, you have to leave the store, put it in your car, then come back in to shop.

a lot of convenience stores here in PA are the same way - they'll have two entrances. one will take you into the regular store, and the beer/6 pack store will be a separate entrance and walled off from the rest of the store. if you want gasoline and a 6 pack of Yuengling, you just have to go to two separate cash registers.

/still shocked that some liquors stores are now even open on Sundays here in PA


Wegmans started out that way--you could only buy alcohol on the alcohol side of the store. Now the alcohol section is like any other department and there is beer and wine on display in certain sections of the store (such as the meat and cheese sections). The only limitation is that certain cashiers are too young to process orders with alcohol, so you'll see a sign now and then that alcohol cannot be purchased at certain registers.
 
2013-01-02 01:38:53 PM

ChipNASA: ashinmytomatoes: What a grocery store in Louisiana might look like. Bonus: I can easily walk there from my house.

[acquistapaces.com image 800x600]

/Now I'm thirsty...
COLORADO (But they may be going down for tax evasion.)


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I recently picked up a keg of Deschutes Chainbreaker from them. It's a great place to pick up booze, but they gouge the shiat out of you for mixers, sodas and accessories. Over New Years they wanted $12 for six plastic champagne flutes ...
 
2013-01-02 01:40:12 PM

Banned on the Run: Kansas City (question now slightly less derpy)
KS or MO?


It's the Kansas side that does that. You can't sell liquor in grocery stores and you can't sell groceries in liquor stores (or anything at all other than liquor).

The Missouri side has much more reasonable laws.
 
2013-01-02 01:40:20 PM

poconojoe: amindtat:
Beer selection at the Wilkes-Barre, PA location of Wegmans

rempy:
already sold in supermarkets in PA subby

technically - some supermarkets do sell beer (such as Wegman's) but they're separate shops (with separate entrances and registers) attached to the supermarket. there isn't a "beer isle" - you can't drop a 6 pack in your cart then go for your milk and bread like in most normal states. if you buy any alcohol, you have to leave the store, put it in your car, then come back in to shop.

a lot of convenience stores here in PA are the same way - they'll have two entrances. one will take you into the regular store, and the beer/6 pack store will be a separate entrance and walled off from the rest of the store. if you want gasoline and a 6 pack of Yuengling, you just have to go to two separate cash registers.

/still shocked that some liquors stores are now even open on Sundays here in PA


The Wegmans beer selection is nice, but only if you want no more than 12 bottles at a time. If you want more than that you have to leave the store and then come back inside for a second purchase.

Those wine machines were so stupid it wasn't even funny. You had to get breathalyzed and run your ID through a scanner so someone in Harrisburg could give you the ok to buy one bottle of crappy wine at a time. You want two bottles? Go through the whole thing again.
 
2013-01-02 01:40:41 PM

pgh9fan: As a Pennsylvanian, I hope PA never loses the PLCB stores.
Scenario: Teenager wants a bottle of Bacardi
1) Privately-owned, responsible store
2) PLCB store
3) Privately-owned store who is hurting for cash to pay their rent/bills
4) Privately-owned store with unscrupulous friend of teenager cashier or unscrupulous owner

First two, the teenager gets shot down immediately.
Unfortunately, although they may be in the minority, there will be enough of stores 3 and 4.

Let's stick to the PLCB stores.


What a crock. If kids want booze, they have plenty of ways to get it. Older friend buys it, etc.

Usually they do the same thing they do to get pills to get high. Get them from their parents.

THE PLCB stores are only protecting the people who work in them & for them. Of course, last time I was in a state store the manager was bombed out of her gourd. She probably couldn't even read an ID....
 
2013-01-02 01:43:22 PM
As a born and raised Kansas, good, we need to get drunk to deal with all the idiot politicians that the farmers and suburban racists elect...
 
2013-01-02 01:46:59 PM
We recently got liquor in grocery stores in WA. I must say that I don't like it all that much. I imagine that it is a profitable item for them and they push it hard. Some of the end aisle displays are liquor instead of food items, they throw liquor on sale into random aisles and display cases, etc. It feels trashy to me and takes away some food space.
 
2013-01-02 01:52:19 PM
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PA was at cutting edge of techological advancement when they offered the wonderful experience of conveinient wine shopping at the Wine Kiosk in select stores.

They were a huge pain in the ass, and sales were dismall. They lasted less than a year.
Wonder who's uncle made a killing off this failure.
 
2013-01-02 01:52:40 PM

Sir Digby: 3.2


Right there with ya on this. I drive to the state line about once a week to buy my beer. Oklahoma's liquor laws blow.
 
2013-01-02 01:54:46 PM
Woo! Easy access to alcohol!

This totally won't make the highways a bloodbath after every idiot who thinks being drunk is totally cool decides to hop in a driver's seat, right? The 21st amendment and this country's ass-backwards drinking culture is a farking disgrace, more people die from drunk drivers than plane crashes, sharks, and terrorism combined.

In b4 drunkards say that alcohol control is impossible, Saudi Arabia and a boatload of middle eastern countries do it and they have virtually no alcohol abuse. If they can do it, so can we.
 
2013-01-02 01:55:28 PM
This is not a holdover from prohibition, as the article says. Kansas was dry long before and after (national) prohibition.
 
2013-01-02 01:58:26 PM

super_grass: Woo! Easy access to alcohol!

This totally won't make the highways a bloodbath after every idiot who thinks being drunk is totally cool decides to hop in a driver's seat, right? The 21st amendment and this country's ass-backwards drinking culture is a farking disgrace, more people die from drunk drivers than plane crashes, sharks, and terrorism combined.

In b4 drunkards say that alcohol control is impossible, Saudi Arabia and a boatload of middle eastern countries do it and they have virtually no alcohol abuse. If they can do it, so can we.


Solid effort starting out, but I'm going to have to deduct points for that last paragraph. Way too obvious.
4/10
 
2013-01-02 02:02:35 PM

pgh9fan: Let's stick to the PLCB stores.


I can see that you are clearly delusional. This is confirmed by your being a Pirates fan. ;)

I grew up in the pgh burbs and never had any problem getting alcohol.
/remembers having PLCB cards for ID
 
2013-01-02 02:05:06 PM
Yeah - having been to all but a few states I can say that PA has the most farked up alcohol laws. And that's coming from someone that lives in South Carolina.
 
2013-01-02 02:08:18 PM

Banned on the Run: DemDave: Yes, it's not terribly convenient to always have to buy your liquore from a liquor store. But what really irks me about this law is that you can't buy ice, mixers or limes or anything at the liquor store.

Just want a couple of G&Ts while you're watching the game tonight? That's still two stops on your way home, unless you find one of the liquor stores that happen have a small "party store" located inside. But then you have to flag down an employee and they have to ring it up as two separate purchases....

What state has that retarded law?


Oklahoma. Where all liquor comes from Liquor Stores which close at 9pm, aren't open on Sundays, or Federal Holidays, or on Voting days, and you must be 21 to even enter the store.
 
rka
2013-01-02 02:08:27 PM
As with any law you have to look a bit deeper than just "morality police!!!".

Anytime one of these laws come up for debate, look to see who's funding the opposition. Who's ox is going to get gored?

In Colorado, the biggest opponents, by far, to grocery stores selling beer/alchohol/wine (non-3.2 beer that is) are local small liquor stores, bars and craft beer makers.

They fear large, national chain stores like Walmart will be able to bring in product by the truckload at much, much lower prices and undercut them.

And they spread fear (FUD? maybe) in the consumers that such large chains like Walmart will only stock the biggest sellers, the most popular brands...ie, water down the choice. I've read plenty of wine blogs out of California that tell similar tales. The most important and biggest influencer of wine purchasing in the nation is the national wine buyer from Walmart...a women who reportedly doesn't really like wine at all IIRC. She views it at just another commodity to maximize profits on.

That's where the real debate lies. That's where the money is. Not with some notion of morality.
 
2013-01-02 02:10:18 PM

Burr:
/still have three bottles of Everclear before it got neutered in West Virginia


I can only surmise that was to cut the competition with mom-and-pop moonshiners.

Where does a Pennsylvanian go to get Everclear now?
 
2013-01-02 02:12:29 PM

super_grass: more people die from drunk drivers than plane crashes, sharks, and terrorism combined.


You were doing so well, then you had to ruin your troll with this worthless sentence. 0/10.
 
2013-01-02 02:13:52 PM

lelio: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 235x348]

Well even their friends don't like that name Kelly Affiar


Came for the BTVOTTD reference, was afraid I'd leave disappointed.

lh3.ggpht.com

Mmmm... Dolly Read and Cynthia Myers
Playboy pics, NSFW obviously: Dolly and Cynthia
They don't make 'em like that anymore.

/lawn. off.
 
2013-01-02 02:15:06 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why Carrie Nation is put forth as soe sort of heroine, given that Prohibition turned out to be such a disaster.

Then again, Prohibitionists and Neo-Prohibitionists (yes MADD I'm looking at you) never admit their mistakes, they only chastise people for not putting even stronger laws against booze in place.
 
2013-01-02 02:15:31 PM
Carrie Nation.

If I could go back in time I would rage fark that biatch so hard....
 
2013-01-02 02:16:25 PM
Temperance was a reaction, IIRC, to distilled liquor. Bars had a room filled with straw. When you passed out, they'd lay you there until you came to and could go back and buy more. There wasn't any effective cure for the abuse, so the idea of temperance was to keep children from being addicted. The current round of addicts would die off and children wouldn't learn the habit.

Around 1850, the Washingtonian Society started as a joke, but some of the guys managed to get sober. They had 'speaker' and 'open' meetings. Without anonymity, though, they managed to piss off a lot of groups. Some loud mouth would blather on about an opinion and people thought he was speaking for the society. There were 100's of thousands of members in the US and Britain, but the movement collapsed and was effectively gone within 40 years.

There's been alcoholic 'mutual aid' societies ever since, but only AA has lasted past the death of the founders.

See also, Matt Talbot.
 
2013-01-02 02:18:06 PM

amindtat: Beer selection at the Wilkes-Barre, PA location of Wegmans



There's one in Mechanicsburg that sells beer as well, and a Giant in Harrisburg that sells beer, but not many other grocery stores in this state do. Its moronic.
 
2013-01-02 02:18:21 PM

taurusowner: meanmutton: taurusowner: I'm still pissed that there are any idiotic laws like that still in place anywhere. It's quite frustrating trying to buy alcohol past 2am or on a Sunday morning in MI. Particularly when one works nights and 2am is like mid afternoon on my night off. Can we please stop trying to regulate non-harmful actions and morals with the fist of government?

Michigan has had Sunday morning sales for a while now.

Then I need to find some better stores who got the memo.


In Michigan Sunday morning sales is an add-on, a store has to pay extra on its liquor license to get it. The stores you frequent probably didn't think being able to sell before noon on Sundays was worth the extra money.
 
2013-01-02 02:18:50 PM

HMS_Blinkin: super_grass: more people die from drunk drivers than plane crashes, sharks, and terrorism combined.

You were doing so well, then you had to ruin your troll with this worthless sentence. 0/10.


The innocent blood of tens of thousands of Americans are on your, and every other child-killing drunk who thinks his right to rot his liver is more important than innocent motorists.

Alcohol has no legitimate uses outside of intoxication and we need limits on the proof and volume of alcoholic beverages to prevent these tragedies.
 
2013-01-02 02:20:31 PM
As someone who can buy a 1/2 barrel at a grocery store,  I'm really getting a kick!
 
2013-01-02 02:22:35 PM

AxL sANe: Yeah - having been to all but a few states I can say that PA has the most farked up alcohol laws. And that's coming from someone that lives in South Carolina.


Only recently has SC become anything but "f*cked" up w/r/t liquor laws. Just since 2004 I've seen them:
1. Get rid of mini-bottles to usher in free-pour in bars like... everywhere else on the planet
2. Get rid of the 5% "high-gravity" beer restriction
3. Roll back Sunday blue laws for wine and beer (still in effect in some counties and munis)
4. Open up home- and craft-brewing regulations

Before all that, SC was worse than PA. But seriously, Keystone State, you could pull your sh*t together any time now.
 
2013-01-02 02:24:41 PM

super_grass: Alcohol has no legitimate uses outside of intoxication and we need limits on the proof and volume of alcoholic beverages to prevent these tragedies.


Should I favorite you as a troll or are you just letting loose for the day?
 
2013-01-02 02:25:20 PM

Banned on the Run: taurusowner: I'm still pissed that there are any idiotic laws like that still in place anywhere. It's quite frustrating trying to buy alcohol past 2am or on a Sunday morning in MI. Particularly when one works nights and 2am is like mid afternoon on my night off. Can we please stop trying to regulate non-harmful actions and morals with the fist of government?

Taco Cabana serves margaritas at 7 AM in TX.

/the more you know


I think the single best beer I ever had was coming in from backpacking in the desert of Big Bend and popping a fresh cold one on the front porch of the Terlingua Trading Co. at 7 AM. The locals didn't seem to see anything odd in that.
 
2013-01-02 02:37:58 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: I never thought I'd say I'm happy to live in Nebraska. I can get my liquor and beer and wine at a convenience store, grocery store, liquor store. hell, nearly anywhere


Same with California. Been that way for decades.

/see? there are some good ideas in CA.
 
2013-01-02 02:44:31 PM
I just found out a few months ago that a lot of the county stores are now selling on sundays. Funny thing was I was talking to a clerk about it and he said they had been doing that for like 2 years.
 
2013-01-02 02:46:00 PM
Being from Wisconsin i dont get these liquor law things? Free tastings at grocery stores. Huge warehouses with walk in beer coolers. And what the hell is this no alcohol on Sunday? Stupid as hell!
 
2013-01-02 02:51:12 PM

pgh9fan: As a Pennsylvanian, I hope PA never loses the PLCB stores.
Scenario: Teenager wants a bottle of Bacardi
1) Privately-owned, responsible store
2) PLCB store
3) Privately-owned store who is hurting for cash to pay their rent/bills
4) Privately-owned store with unscrupulous friend of teenager cashier or unscrupulous owner

First two, the teenager gets shot down immediately.
Unfortunately, although they may be in the minority, there will be enough of stores 3 and 4.

Let's stick to the PLCB stores.


Most of the state just goes to Ohio, West Virginia (Erie/Pittsburgh), Delaware, New Jersey, or New York (Philly, S-WB) for liquor. I can't imagine how much revenue the state loses to their PLCB.
 
2013-01-02 02:53:12 PM

rempy: Having first hand knowledge of the way PA laws work, there is a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation out there. The first being that the PLCB is some type of tyrannical, puritan nanny state organization hell bent on stopping anyone from getting their drink on...it's actually quite the opposite. State laws require alcohol to be sold in a certain manner which is regulated by PLCB, the PLCB is pushing for modernization and allowing sales within grocery stores and other venues but the major pushbacks are coming from lobbyist groups and private organizations who stand to lose (beer distributors and MADD).


PA's PLCB is what happens when you unionize morality.
 
2013-01-02 02:54:33 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Burr:
/still have three bottles of Everclear before it got neutered in West Virginia

I can only surmise that was to cut the competition with mom-and-pop moonshiners.

Where does a Pennsylvanian go to get Everclear now?


The Total Wine and More in Claymont, DE (not 75 ft south of the state line) carries it.
 
2013-01-02 02:57:42 PM

hobnail: Carrie Nation.

If I could go back in time I would rage fark that biatch so hard....


Not me. She'd chop it off!
 
2013-01-02 02:59:17 PM

rempy: already sold in supermarkets in PA subby


No. No it's not. Grocery stores can buy a distributor license, but that's for case sizes and up. A bar can buy a liquor license and sell nothing more tha 2 six packs.

Most PA grocery stores have jack.
 
2013-01-02 03:01:24 PM
Arkansas native here.

No beer, wine, or liquor sales on Sunday....statewide.
Only beer and locally produced wine on sale in grocery stores.
No alcohol sales on Christmas.
Dry counties abound in this state.

I like living here, but I sure wish they would quit with the puritan bullshiat. Especially since most of the holy rollers are complete hypocrites. When I was living in a small town growing up (about 12,000), the county that town was in was dry. The rich/powerful of the area made damn sure that it remained dry, all the while enjoying a nice whiskey & water at the country club (no black members for some strange reason).
 
2013-01-02 03:37:23 PM

Donnchadha: North Carolina has this weird rule where it's legal to buy alcohol on Sundays. It's taking some getting used to. But that's balanced by needing to go to the ABC store to buy liquor, but they ONLY sell liquor and you need to go to the grocery store to get beer and wine.


Since when?  I used to go to the Coca Cola 600 NASCAR race every year (stopped going in 2010 I think).  We all had to stock up on our liquor on the Friday or Saturday before the race, as liquor was not legal to sell on Sunday.

You are correct about liquor and beer/wine being 2 stops.
 
2013-01-02 03:59:06 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Burr:
/still have three bottles of Everclear before it got neutered in West Virginia

I can only surmise that was to cut the competition with mom-and-pop moonshiners.

Where does a Pennsylvanian go to get Everclear now?


New Jersey
 
2013-01-02 04:22:34 PM

mjohnson71: Magorn: Liquor laws just confuse the hell out me.  I grew up in an MD country where All Alcohol had to be purchased at a liquor store, but they were all privately owned.  One county up it was beer and wine in the supermarkets, but all hard booze came from county-run and owned ABC stores.  Supposedly red State VA is like that all over the state.  My favorite was Chicago where Beer and liquor are equally available at your local supermarkets...

I get spoiled by Missouri's surprisingly liberal alcohol laws. Outside of the 1:30 am cutoff rules, there aren't many restrictions in place around here. I've had relatives literally freak out at the large beer and liquor departments in our grocery and convenience stores. We're talking like taking pictures and posting it on Facebook.

/Feels sorry for people from Dallas


I've had the same reaction from friends traveling in from other states. Another thing that awestruck them were the gas stations / liquor stores with a drive thru window. We have 3 in this town.

/Missourian also
 
2013-01-02 04:57:35 PM

Banned on the Run: taurusowner: I'm still pissed that there are any idiotic laws like that still in place anywhere. It's quite frustrating trying to buy alcohol past 2am or on a Sunday morning in MI. Particularly when one works nights and 2am is like mid afternoon on my night off. Can we please stop trying to regulate non-harmful actions and morals with the fist of government?

Taco Cabana serves margaritas at 7 AM in TX.

/the more you know


big whoop I stil l can't go purchase hard alcohol like Crown Royal on Sunday's. Also we still have some dry counties around here like it's 1920.


/Dallas, TX
 
2013-01-02 05:09:48 PM

Rude Turnip: poconojoe: amindtat:
Beer selection at the Wilkes-Barre, PA location of Wegmans

rempy:
already sold in supermarkets in PA subby

technically - some supermarkets do sell beer (such as Wegman's) but they're separate shops (with separate entrances and registers) attached to the supermarket. there isn't a "beer isle" - you can't drop a 6 pack in your cart then go for your milk and bread like in most normal states. if you buy any alcohol, you have to leave the store, put it in your car, then come back in to shop.

a lot of convenience stores here in PA are the same way - they'll have two entrances. one will take you into the regular store, and the beer/6 pack store will be a separate entrance and walled off from the rest of the store. if you want gasoline and a 6 pack of Yuengling, you just have to go to two separate cash registers.

/still shocked that some liquors stores are now even open on Sundays here in PA

Wegmans started out that way--you could only buy alcohol on the alcohol side of the store. Now the alcohol section is like any other department and there is beer and wine on display in certain sections of the store (such as the meat and cheese sections). The only limitation is that certain cashiers are too young to process orders with alcohol, so you'll see a sign now and then that alcohol cannot be purchased at certain registers.


I think the Wilkes-Barre store has both, but it's the beer section by the meats and cheeses that always gets me. It's a dangerous combination since you can buy single bottles along with cool craft/imported meats and cheese. By the time I get done playing the "oooh, I'd like to try a little of this" game, I end up walking away with $50-$60 dollars worth of totally non-essential meat, cheese and beer that I originally had no intention of shopping for.
 
2013-01-02 05:27:17 PM
The closest thing we have to these absurd alcohol laws here in California is that I can't buy booze in the self-checkout lane at my supermarket; there has to be a clerk helping you.
 
2013-01-02 05:28:16 PM

buzzcut73: I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas


Bud Light is 4.2% abv at the liquor stores in Kansas.

In Kansas, if you buy a 6 pack at a convenience store or grocery store, its 3.2% abw, which is equivalent to 4.0% abv. So instead of .504 oz. of alcohol, you only get .48 oz. of alcohol. A difference of .024 oz. of alcohol. Which is less than 2/1000ths of a 12 oz can of difference. If you can really tell the difference without reading the can then you are a freakshow that needs to be on Ripley's Believe It or Not.
 
2013-01-02 05:35:59 PM
I like the idea of having exclusive liquor stores. It helps maintain small locally owned businesses in Kansas and allows for some pretty neat stores that have huge selections of wine, or huge selections of all kinds of beer, or big selections of everything. Once Costco and Sam's Club and Kroger's and Quiktrip are in the game, then we will see a reduction of choices and large numbers of successful businesses will be shuttered so that the billionaires can monopolize yet another market.

I'd also like to be able for young children to go to the grocery store and convenience stores without seeing a bunch of drunk toothless insane hobos scrounging around the stores hustling for more booze. Its nice to have places that sell adults only items to be far away from my grocery store. I like adult only activities, but I am considerate of others around me that would prefer not to be so close to it.
 
2013-01-02 05:56:13 PM

simkatu: I like the idea of having exclusive liquor stores. It helps maintain small locally owned businesses in Kansas and allows for some pretty neat stores that have huge selections of wine, or huge selections of all kinds of beer, or big selections of everything. Once Costco and Sam's Club and Kroger's and Quiktrip are in the game, then we will see a reduction of choices and large numbers of successful businesses will be shuttered so that the billionaires can monopolize yet another market.

I'd also like to be able for young children to go to the grocery store and convenience stores without seeing a bunch of drunk toothless insane hobos scrounging around the stores hustling for more booze. Its nice to have places that sell adults only items to be far away from my grocery store. I like adult only activities, but I am considerate of others around me that would prefer not to be so close to it.


Here in California, alcohol (liquor, beer, and wine) are sold at supermarkets, big-box stores, independent liquor stores, corner markets, specialty stores, breweries and wineries, and pretty much anywhere else that wants a license. It's been this way my whole life (probably much longer). Guess what: none of the problems you've described exist. Not a single one. The demographics buying at specialty stores aren't threatened or hurt by those buying at Costco and supermarkets. My Costco has a lot of the name-brand big-label stuff, and usually a few smaller operations too. Specialty stores, of course, have a bigger choice. If anything, the popularity of craft beer and wine (and large sales) have influenced the larger stores to carry more of these kinds of products, not the other way around.

As for hobos, etc: I hope you're just trolling.
 
2013-01-02 05:56:45 PM

simkatu: I like the idea of having exclusive liquor stores. It helps maintain small locally owned businesses in Kansas and allows for some pretty neat stores that have huge selections of wine, or huge selections of all kinds of beer, or big selections of everything. Once Costco and Sam's Club and Kroger's and Quiktrip are in the game, then we will see a reduction of choices and large numbers of successful businesses will be shuttered so that the billionaires can monopolize yet another market.

I'd also like to be able for young children to go to the grocery store and convenience stores without seeing a bunch of drunk toothless insane hobos scrounging around the stores hustling for more booze. Its nice to have places that sell adults only items to be far away from my grocery store. I like adult only activities, but I am considerate of others around me that would prefer not to be so close to it.


So no condoms or tobacco at your supermarkets then?
 
2013-01-02 06:02:12 PM

Felix_T_Cat: Temperance was a reaction, IIRC, to distilled liquor. Bars had a room filled with straw. When you passed out, they'd lay you there until you came to and could go back and buy more. There wasn't any effective cure for the abuse, so the idea of temperance was to keep children from being addicted. The current round of addicts would die off and children wouldn't learn the habit.

Around 1850, the Washingtonian Society started as a joke, but some of the guys managed to get sober. They had 'speaker' and 'open' meetings. Without anonymity, though, they managed to piss off a lot of groups. Some loud mouth would blather on about an opinion and people thought he was speaking for the society. There were 100's of thousands of members in the US and Britain, but the movement collapsed and was effectively gone within 40 years.

There's been alcoholic 'mutual aid' societies ever since, but only AA has lasted past the death of the founders.

See also, Matt Talbot.


Interesting.

Going back to say 1890, there were probably a few too many bars, saloons, and such around, but they were local neighborhood gathering places for the menfolk to get away from their wives and talk about the events of the day as much as places to get hammered. What was called for was local city and county ordinances to reign in the worst of the saloons, not Prohibition.
 
2013-01-02 06:27:08 PM

downstairs: Donnchadha: North Carolina has this weird rule where it's legal to buy alcohol on Sundays. It's taking some getting used to. But that's balanced by needing to go to the ABC store to buy liquor, but they ONLY sell liquor and you need to go to the grocery store to get beer and wine.

Since when?  I used to go to the Coca Cola 600 NASCAR race every year (stopped going in 2010 I think).  We all had to stock up on our liquor on the Friday or Saturday before the race, as liquor was not legal to sell on Sunday.

You are correct about liquor and beer/wine being 2 stops.


I think it's an "after noon" restriction, but it's been that way since I've lived here -- which hasn't been that long (only a few months). The ABC stores are still closed Sunday, I believe.
 
2013-01-02 07:50:00 PM

Banned on the Run: albert71292: You can purchase liquor almost everywhere here in Louisiana. We even have frozen daiquiri places with drive-thru windows.

I love how they leave 1" of paper wrapper on the top of the straw so its not an "open container".


That's absolutely not why they do that, and it is very much an open container, straw wrapper or no.
 
2013-01-02 09:34:07 PM
Nevada: never, ever closed, ever. Gas stations, 7-11s, grocery stores, whatever whenever.
 
2013-01-02 11:39:21 PM

CygnusDarius: WTF Indeed: To be fair, there's nothing to do in Kansas but get drunk.

Is sex that bad?.


Maybe his sister's ugly.
 
2013-01-03 12:29:58 AM
Good. A bottle of Captain Morgan spiced rum costs about 20 bucks here, yet if I drive 8 miles into missouri, I can get the same thing for about 13. Also, FYI, if you go to a liquor store, you cannot buy cigarettes from the same counter as you can liquor because the law says it actually has to be a different building (with a wall and door between them). You also can only buy beer through a liquor store drive through window. You can't even buy ice. Weird.
 
2013-01-03 02:57:35 AM
Pfft we're still paying tax on booze for the Johnstown flood. That's how we roll in PA, in regards to changing stuff related to alcohol.
 
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