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(Kansas City)   More than a century after Carrie Nation started the Temperance Movement, Kansas may allow liquor to be sold in grocery stores. Your move, Pennsylvania   (kansascity.com) divider line 136
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2013-01-02 02:15:06 PM  
I'm still trying to figure out why Carrie Nation is put forth as soe sort of heroine, given that Prohibition turned out to be such a disaster.

Then again, Prohibitionists and Neo-Prohibitionists (yes MADD I'm looking at you) never admit their mistakes, they only chastise people for not putting even stronger laws against booze in place.
 
2013-01-02 02:15:31 PM  
Carrie Nation.

If I could go back in time I would rage fark that biatch so hard....
 
2013-01-02 02:16:25 PM  
Temperance was a reaction, IIRC, to distilled liquor. Bars had a room filled with straw. When you passed out, they'd lay you there until you came to and could go back and buy more. There wasn't any effective cure for the abuse, so the idea of temperance was to keep children from being addicted. The current round of addicts would die off and children wouldn't learn the habit.

Around 1850, the Washingtonian Society started as a joke, but some of the guys managed to get sober. They had 'speaker' and 'open' meetings. Without anonymity, though, they managed to piss off a lot of groups. Some loud mouth would blather on about an opinion and people thought he was speaking for the society. There were 100's of thousands of members in the US and Britain, but the movement collapsed and was effectively gone within 40 years.

There's been alcoholic 'mutual aid' societies ever since, but only AA has lasted past the death of the founders.

See also, Matt Talbot.
 
2013-01-02 02:18:06 PM  

amindtat: Beer selection at the Wilkes-Barre, PA location of Wegmans



There's one in Mechanicsburg that sells beer as well, and a Giant in Harrisburg that sells beer, but not many other grocery stores in this state do. Its moronic.
 
2013-01-02 02:18:21 PM  

taurusowner: meanmutton: taurusowner: I'm still pissed that there are any idiotic laws like that still in place anywhere. It's quite frustrating trying to buy alcohol past 2am or on a Sunday morning in MI. Particularly when one works nights and 2am is like mid afternoon on my night off. Can we please stop trying to regulate non-harmful actions and morals with the fist of government?

Michigan has had Sunday morning sales for a while now.

Then I need to find some better stores who got the memo.


In Michigan Sunday morning sales is an add-on, a store has to pay extra on its liquor license to get it. The stores you frequent probably didn't think being able to sell before noon on Sundays was worth the extra money.
 
2013-01-02 02:18:50 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: super_grass: more people die from drunk drivers than plane crashes, sharks, and terrorism combined.

You were doing so well, then you had to ruin your troll with this worthless sentence. 0/10.


The innocent blood of tens of thousands of Americans are on your, and every other child-killing drunk who thinks his right to rot his liver is more important than innocent motorists.

Alcohol has no legitimate uses outside of intoxication and we need limits on the proof and volume of alcoholic beverages to prevent these tragedies.
 
2013-01-02 02:20:31 PM  
As someone who can buy a 1/2 barrel at a grocery store,  I'm really getting a kick!
 
2013-01-02 02:22:35 PM  

AxL sANe: Yeah - having been to all but a few states I can say that PA has the most farked up alcohol laws. And that's coming from someone that lives in South Carolina.


Only recently has SC become anything but "f*cked" up w/r/t liquor laws. Just since 2004 I've seen them:
1. Get rid of mini-bottles to usher in free-pour in bars like... everywhere else on the planet
2. Get rid of the 5% "high-gravity" beer restriction
3. Roll back Sunday blue laws for wine and beer (still in effect in some counties and munis)
4. Open up home- and craft-brewing regulations

Before all that, SC was worse than PA. But seriously, Keystone State, you could pull your sh*t together any time now.
 
2013-01-02 02:24:41 PM  

super_grass: Alcohol has no legitimate uses outside of intoxication and we need limits on the proof and volume of alcoholic beverages to prevent these tragedies.


Should I favorite you as a troll or are you just letting loose for the day?
 
2013-01-02 02:25:20 PM  

Banned on the Run: taurusowner: I'm still pissed that there are any idiotic laws like that still in place anywhere. It's quite frustrating trying to buy alcohol past 2am or on a Sunday morning in MI. Particularly when one works nights and 2am is like mid afternoon on my night off. Can we please stop trying to regulate non-harmful actions and morals with the fist of government?

Taco Cabana serves margaritas at 7 AM in TX.

/the more you know


I think the single best beer I ever had was coming in from backpacking in the desert of Big Bend and popping a fresh cold one on the front porch of the Terlingua Trading Co. at 7 AM. The locals didn't seem to see anything odd in that.
 
2013-01-02 02:37:58 PM  

Dr J Zoidberg: I never thought I'd say I'm happy to live in Nebraska. I can get my liquor and beer and wine at a convenience store, grocery store, liquor store. hell, nearly anywhere


Same with California. Been that way for decades.

/see? there are some good ideas in CA.
 
2013-01-02 02:44:31 PM  
I just found out a few months ago that a lot of the county stores are now selling on sundays. Funny thing was I was talking to a clerk about it and he said they had been doing that for like 2 years.
 
2013-01-02 02:46:00 PM  
Being from Wisconsin i dont get these liquor law things? Free tastings at grocery stores. Huge warehouses with walk in beer coolers. And what the hell is this no alcohol on Sunday? Stupid as hell!
 
2013-01-02 02:51:12 PM  

pgh9fan: As a Pennsylvanian, I hope PA never loses the PLCB stores.
Scenario: Teenager wants a bottle of Bacardi
1) Privately-owned, responsible store
2) PLCB store
3) Privately-owned store who is hurting for cash to pay their rent/bills
4) Privately-owned store with unscrupulous friend of teenager cashier or unscrupulous owner

First two, the teenager gets shot down immediately.
Unfortunately, although they may be in the minority, there will be enough of stores 3 and 4.

Let's stick to the PLCB stores.


Most of the state just goes to Ohio, West Virginia (Erie/Pittsburgh), Delaware, New Jersey, or New York (Philly, S-WB) for liquor. I can't imagine how much revenue the state loses to their PLCB.
 
2013-01-02 02:53:12 PM  

rempy: Having first hand knowledge of the way PA laws work, there is a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation out there. The first being that the PLCB is some type of tyrannical, puritan nanny state organization hell bent on stopping anyone from getting their drink on...it's actually quite the opposite. State laws require alcohol to be sold in a certain manner which is regulated by PLCB, the PLCB is pushing for modernization and allowing sales within grocery stores and other venues but the major pushbacks are coming from lobbyist groups and private organizations who stand to lose (beer distributors and MADD).


PA's PLCB is what happens when you unionize morality.
 
2013-01-02 02:54:33 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Burr:
/still have three bottles of Everclear before it got neutered in West Virginia

I can only surmise that was to cut the competition with mom-and-pop moonshiners.

Where does a Pennsylvanian go to get Everclear now?


The Total Wine and More in Claymont, DE (not 75 ft south of the state line) carries it.
 
2013-01-02 02:57:42 PM  

hobnail: Carrie Nation.

If I could go back in time I would rage fark that biatch so hard....


Not me. She'd chop it off!
 
2013-01-02 02:59:17 PM  

rempy: already sold in supermarkets in PA subby


No. No it's not. Grocery stores can buy a distributor license, but that's for case sizes and up. A bar can buy a liquor license and sell nothing more tha 2 six packs.

Most PA grocery stores have jack.
 
2013-01-02 03:01:24 PM  
Arkansas native here.

No beer, wine, or liquor sales on Sunday....statewide.
Only beer and locally produced wine on sale in grocery stores.
No alcohol sales on Christmas.
Dry counties abound in this state.

I like living here, but I sure wish they would quit with the puritan bullshiat. Especially since most of the holy rollers are complete hypocrites. When I was living in a small town growing up (about 12,000), the county that town was in was dry. The rich/powerful of the area made damn sure that it remained dry, all the while enjoying a nice whiskey & water at the country club (no black members for some strange reason).
 
2013-01-02 03:37:23 PM  

Donnchadha: North Carolina has this weird rule where it's legal to buy alcohol on Sundays. It's taking some getting used to. But that's balanced by needing to go to the ABC store to buy liquor, but they ONLY sell liquor and you need to go to the grocery store to get beer and wine.


Since when?  I used to go to the Coca Cola 600 NASCAR race every year (stopped going in 2010 I think).  We all had to stock up on our liquor on the Friday or Saturday before the race, as liquor was not legal to sell on Sunday.

You are correct about liquor and beer/wine being 2 stops.
 
2013-01-02 03:59:06 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Burr:
/still have three bottles of Everclear before it got neutered in West Virginia

I can only surmise that was to cut the competition with mom-and-pop moonshiners.

Where does a Pennsylvanian go to get Everclear now?


New Jersey
 
2013-01-02 04:22:34 PM  

mjohnson71: Magorn: Liquor laws just confuse the hell out me.  I grew up in an MD country where All Alcohol had to be purchased at a liquor store, but they were all privately owned.  One county up it was beer and wine in the supermarkets, but all hard booze came from county-run and owned ABC stores.  Supposedly red State VA is like that all over the state.  My favorite was Chicago where Beer and liquor are equally available at your local supermarkets...

I get spoiled by Missouri's surprisingly liberal alcohol laws. Outside of the 1:30 am cutoff rules, there aren't many restrictions in place around here. I've had relatives literally freak out at the large beer and liquor departments in our grocery and convenience stores. We're talking like taking pictures and posting it on Facebook.

/Feels sorry for people from Dallas


I've had the same reaction from friends traveling in from other states. Another thing that awestruck them were the gas stations / liquor stores with a drive thru window. We have 3 in this town.

/Missourian also
 
2013-01-02 04:57:35 PM  

Banned on the Run: taurusowner: I'm still pissed that there are any idiotic laws like that still in place anywhere. It's quite frustrating trying to buy alcohol past 2am or on a Sunday morning in MI. Particularly when one works nights and 2am is like mid afternoon on my night off. Can we please stop trying to regulate non-harmful actions and morals with the fist of government?

Taco Cabana serves margaritas at 7 AM in TX.

/the more you know


big whoop I stil l can't go purchase hard alcohol like Crown Royal on Sunday's. Also we still have some dry counties around here like it's 1920.


/Dallas, TX
 
2013-01-02 05:09:48 PM  

Rude Turnip: poconojoe: amindtat:
Beer selection at the Wilkes-Barre, PA location of Wegmans

rempy:
already sold in supermarkets in PA subby

technically - some supermarkets do sell beer (such as Wegman's) but they're separate shops (with separate entrances and registers) attached to the supermarket. there isn't a "beer isle" - you can't drop a 6 pack in your cart then go for your milk and bread like in most normal states. if you buy any alcohol, you have to leave the store, put it in your car, then come back in to shop.

a lot of convenience stores here in PA are the same way - they'll have two entrances. one will take you into the regular store, and the beer/6 pack store will be a separate entrance and walled off from the rest of the store. if you want gasoline and a 6 pack of Yuengling, you just have to go to two separate cash registers.

/still shocked that some liquors stores are now even open on Sundays here in PA

Wegmans started out that way--you could only buy alcohol on the alcohol side of the store. Now the alcohol section is like any other department and there is beer and wine on display in certain sections of the store (such as the meat and cheese sections). The only limitation is that certain cashiers are too young to process orders with alcohol, so you'll see a sign now and then that alcohol cannot be purchased at certain registers.


I think the Wilkes-Barre store has both, but it's the beer section by the meats and cheeses that always gets me. It's a dangerous combination since you can buy single bottles along with cool craft/imported meats and cheese. By the time I get done playing the "oooh, I'd like to try a little of this" game, I end up walking away with $50-$60 dollars worth of totally non-essential meat, cheese and beer that I originally had no intention of shopping for.
 
2013-01-02 05:27:17 PM  
The closest thing we have to these absurd alcohol laws here in California is that I can't buy booze in the self-checkout lane at my supermarket; there has to be a clerk helping you.
 
2013-01-02 05:28:16 PM  

buzzcut73: I learned the hard way about Kansas' weak beer in convenience stores rules when I was traveling through that Godforsaken wasteland and had to stop overnight because the weather got shiatty. Picked up a six pack, got checked into a hotel in Parsons, and NOOO...it was just like Utah all over again.

/Fark Kansas


Bud Light is 4.2% abv at the liquor stores in Kansas.

In Kansas, if you buy a 6 pack at a convenience store or grocery store, its 3.2% abw, which is equivalent to 4.0% abv. So instead of .504 oz. of alcohol, you only get .48 oz. of alcohol. A difference of .024 oz. of alcohol. Which is less than 2/1000ths of a 12 oz can of difference. If you can really tell the difference without reading the can then you are a freakshow that needs to be on Ripley's Believe It or Not.
 
2013-01-02 05:35:59 PM  
I like the idea of having exclusive liquor stores. It helps maintain small locally owned businesses in Kansas and allows for some pretty neat stores that have huge selections of wine, or huge selections of all kinds of beer, or big selections of everything. Once Costco and Sam's Club and Kroger's and Quiktrip are in the game, then we will see a reduction of choices and large numbers of successful businesses will be shuttered so that the billionaires can monopolize yet another market.

I'd also like to be able for young children to go to the grocery store and convenience stores without seeing a bunch of drunk toothless insane hobos scrounging around the stores hustling for more booze. Its nice to have places that sell adults only items to be far away from my grocery store. I like adult only activities, but I am considerate of others around me that would prefer not to be so close to it.
 
2013-01-02 05:56:13 PM  

simkatu: I like the idea of having exclusive liquor stores. It helps maintain small locally owned businesses in Kansas and allows for some pretty neat stores that have huge selections of wine, or huge selections of all kinds of beer, or big selections of everything. Once Costco and Sam's Club and Kroger's and Quiktrip are in the game, then we will see a reduction of choices and large numbers of successful businesses will be shuttered so that the billionaires can monopolize yet another market.

I'd also like to be able for young children to go to the grocery store and convenience stores without seeing a bunch of drunk toothless insane hobos scrounging around the stores hustling for more booze. Its nice to have places that sell adults only items to be far away from my grocery store. I like adult only activities, but I am considerate of others around me that would prefer not to be so close to it.


Here in California, alcohol (liquor, beer, and wine) are sold at supermarkets, big-box stores, independent liquor stores, corner markets, specialty stores, breweries and wineries, and pretty much anywhere else that wants a license. It's been this way my whole life (probably much longer). Guess what: none of the problems you've described exist. Not a single one. The demographics buying at specialty stores aren't threatened or hurt by those buying at Costco and supermarkets. My Costco has a lot of the name-brand big-label stuff, and usually a few smaller operations too. Specialty stores, of course, have a bigger choice. If anything, the popularity of craft beer and wine (and large sales) have influenced the larger stores to carry more of these kinds of products, not the other way around.

As for hobos, etc: I hope you're just trolling.
 
2013-01-02 05:56:45 PM  

simkatu: I like the idea of having exclusive liquor stores. It helps maintain small locally owned businesses in Kansas and allows for some pretty neat stores that have huge selections of wine, or huge selections of all kinds of beer, or big selections of everything. Once Costco and Sam's Club and Kroger's and Quiktrip are in the game, then we will see a reduction of choices and large numbers of successful businesses will be shuttered so that the billionaires can monopolize yet another market.

I'd also like to be able for young children to go to the grocery store and convenience stores without seeing a bunch of drunk toothless insane hobos scrounging around the stores hustling for more booze. Its nice to have places that sell adults only items to be far away from my grocery store. I like adult only activities, but I am considerate of others around me that would prefer not to be so close to it.


So no condoms or tobacco at your supermarkets then?
 
2013-01-02 06:02:12 PM  

Felix_T_Cat: Temperance was a reaction, IIRC, to distilled liquor. Bars had a room filled with straw. When you passed out, they'd lay you there until you came to and could go back and buy more. There wasn't any effective cure for the abuse, so the idea of temperance was to keep children from being addicted. The current round of addicts would die off and children wouldn't learn the habit.

Around 1850, the Washingtonian Society started as a joke, but some of the guys managed to get sober. They had 'speaker' and 'open' meetings. Without anonymity, though, they managed to piss off a lot of groups. Some loud mouth would blather on about an opinion and people thought he was speaking for the society. There were 100's of thousands of members in the US and Britain, but the movement collapsed and was effectively gone within 40 years.

There's been alcoholic 'mutual aid' societies ever since, but only AA has lasted past the death of the founders.

See also, Matt Talbot.


Interesting.

Going back to say 1890, there were probably a few too many bars, saloons, and such around, but they were local neighborhood gathering places for the menfolk to get away from their wives and talk about the events of the day as much as places to get hammered. What was called for was local city and county ordinances to reign in the worst of the saloons, not Prohibition.
 
2013-01-02 06:27:08 PM  

downstairs: Donnchadha: North Carolina has this weird rule where it's legal to buy alcohol on Sundays. It's taking some getting used to. But that's balanced by needing to go to the ABC store to buy liquor, but they ONLY sell liquor and you need to go to the grocery store to get beer and wine.

Since when?  I used to go to the Coca Cola 600 NASCAR race every year (stopped going in 2010 I think).  We all had to stock up on our liquor on the Friday or Saturday before the race, as liquor was not legal to sell on Sunday.

You are correct about liquor and beer/wine being 2 stops.


I think it's an "after noon" restriction, but it's been that way since I've lived here -- which hasn't been that long (only a few months). The ABC stores are still closed Sunday, I believe.
 
2013-01-02 07:50:00 PM  

Banned on the Run: albert71292: You can purchase liquor almost everywhere here in Louisiana. We even have frozen daiquiri places with drive-thru windows.

I love how they leave 1" of paper wrapper on the top of the straw so its not an "open container".


That's absolutely not why they do that, and it is very much an open container, straw wrapper or no.
 
2013-01-02 09:34:07 PM  
Nevada: never, ever closed, ever. Gas stations, 7-11s, grocery stores, whatever whenever.
 
2013-01-02 11:39:21 PM  

CygnusDarius: WTF Indeed: To be fair, there's nothing to do in Kansas but get drunk.

Is sex that bad?.


Maybe his sister's ugly.
 
2013-01-03 12:29:58 AM  
Good. A bottle of Captain Morgan spiced rum costs about 20 bucks here, yet if I drive 8 miles into missouri, I can get the same thing for about 13. Also, FYI, if you go to a liquor store, you cannot buy cigarettes from the same counter as you can liquor because the law says it actually has to be a different building (with a wall and door between them). You also can only buy beer through a liquor store drive through window. You can't even buy ice. Weird.
 
2013-01-03 02:57:35 AM  
Pfft we're still paying tax on booze for the Johnstown flood. That's how we roll in PA, in regards to changing stuff related to alcohol.
 
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