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(PC Gamer)   Zynga, maker of electronic hamster wheels, to shut down 11 "games" as well as it's Japanese studio. Would you like to join subby's mafia?   (pcgamer.com) divider line 57
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2013-01-02 12:46:16 PM
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-01-02 12:47:18 PM
In this case I'd suggest something of value was gained.
 
2013-01-02 12:49:28 PM
Its
 
2013-01-02 12:54:12 PM
You'd think the more of their games they shut down, the confident players of other games will be to make microtransactions, "hey, why should I buy a temporary licence to these cow-shaped pixels if the game is going to just disappear?"

I hope they hang around for a while, they're pretty funny to watch.
 
2013-01-02 12:54:49 PM

ProfessorOhki: the less confident players


FTFM
 
2013-01-02 12:58:51 PM
Please shut down that extra apostrophe while you're at it.
 
2013-01-02 01:00:48 PM
2011: Buy Mortimer, buy! I heard that it's going to go through the roof.

whenfallsthecoliseum.com
 
2013-01-02 01:03:29 PM
quick, where's bob the angry flower?

/subby
/ashamed
//whoo-hoo! 24th green.
 
2013-01-02 01:03:52 PM
Well, bye.
 
2013-01-02 01:04:42 PM
 
2013-01-02 01:07:45 PM
"My pet is named after my real pet, and has the best mansion! PLEASE DON"T DO THIS!!!!"

And this is where you should see the signs that you need help.
 
2013-01-02 01:08:15 PM

WillyChase: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Its

Its


Its
 
2013-01-02 01:14:45 PM
The problem with Mafia Wars (in 2010) was script bots that ruined the experience. Why play when you can have your robot do it for you? I quit and never tried MW2, and thank FSM, that game's addictive.
 
2013-01-02 01:15:39 PM
www.equalparenting-bc.ca
 
2013-01-02 01:20:36 PM
It couldn't have happened to a nicer company.
 
2013-01-02 01:27:45 PM
I wonder if companies who develop "real" games will learn anything from this, or will continue to play the DLC card until their customers, too, realize they are getting rooked.
 
2013-01-02 01:35:07 PM
...and not a fark was given.

Seriously, all Zynga consists of is a bunch of shiatty ripoffs of other FB "games". My hope (and this will probably never happen) is that the problems they are running into will motivate them to make better and original properties.
 
2013-01-02 01:42:06 PM
I submitted this last year.

"Please don't remove petville. I been playing for 4 yrs. and I'M going to miss my pet Jaime....why do you want cause depression for me and others. Why do you want to kill my pet?"
 
2013-01-02 01:44:16 PM

lordargent: I submitted this last year.

"Please don't remove petville. I been playing for 4 yrs. and I'M going to miss my pet Jaime....why do you want cause depression for me and others. Why do you want to kill my pet?"


I played WoW competitively for years so I can understand being upset about plowing hours into a treadmill only to have something happen to it. But I don't "miss" my characters, they cannot be "killed" in the sense she's going on about and even if they were, I wouldn't feel remorse. Some people need to get help.
 
2013-01-02 01:55:51 PM
But.... but i have so many coins, Zynga

so many coins

you don't understand. I will have my coins. I'm not picky. They can be anything, really. gold. silver. copper.

human bone
 
2013-01-02 01:57:33 PM

jso2897: I wonder if companies who develop "real" games will learn anything from this, or will continue to play the DLC card until their customers, too, realize they are getting rooked.


I hardly buy any new games for my Xbox 360 because, once you buy a game with a multiplayer component, you have to buy DLC for maps or whatever because people on your friends list did. I'm not prepared to keep pouring money into a game like that, especially when the DLC sometimes is already on the disk and you're paying just to unlock it.

I played Farmville for a bit, but quit because it was just too damn repetitive. Even my son quit playing that and Petville and whatever else. No way I would pay for stuff in those games.
 
2013-01-02 02:02:03 PM

dj_spanmaster: The problem with Mafia Wars (in 2010) was script bots that ruined the experience. Why play when you can have your robot do it for you? I quit and never tried MW2, and thank FSM, that game's addictive.


They should invent "Push the lever for a pellet:the game" and be done with it.
 
2013-01-02 02:06:08 PM
I was going to come up with "Facebook War" (yes, essentially just the card game "War"... except everyone has their own deck of cards and just "challenges" a friend to a one card "battle" every time)....

Seemed very silly, but, really, not much sillier than any of these other games... which are really more or less the same idea except with more pretty graphics/actions plastered on top of it.
 
2013-01-02 02:06:48 PM

Fano: They should invent "Push the lever for a pellet:the game" and be done with it.


I work for a slot machine company, so I'm getting a real kick out of that reply.
 
2013-01-02 02:07:27 PM
ProgressQuest > Zynga's "games"
 
2013-01-02 02:11:05 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
/wants to click on the cow
 
2013-01-02 02:18:17 PM

roughridersfan: jso2897: I wonder if companies who develop "real" games will learn anything from this, or will continue to play the DLC card until their customers, too, realize they are getting rooked.

I hardly buy any new games for my Xbox 360 because, once you buy a game with a multiplayer component, you have to buy DLC for maps or whatever because people on your friends list did. I'm not prepared to keep pouring money into a game like that, especially when the DLC sometimes is already on the disk and you're paying just to unlock it.

I played Farmville for a bit, but quit because it was just too damn repetitive. Even my son quit playing that and Petville and whatever else. No way I would pay for stuff in those games.


Charging to unlock on-disc content should be a practice that consumers revolt against. Never buy from that company again. DLC should be created after the main game is completed and improve on the game based on user feedback. I like the "Rockstar Pass" approach where you pay a set price and then you get everything they release. Or wait a year till a Complete Edition of the game comes out.
 
2013-01-02 02:25:53 PM
Nem Wan:Or wait a year till a Complete Edition of the game comes out.

Or wait another few months after that for the Complete Edition to appear on the quarterly Steam sale.

/Mmm, LA Noire Complete for $7.50
 
2013-01-02 02:32:53 PM
Flakeloaf: I played WoW competitively for years so I can understand being upset about plowing hours into a treadmill only to have something happen to it. But I don't "miss" my characters, they cannot be "killed" in the sense she's going on about and even if they were, I wouldn't feel remorse. Some people need to get help.

Never got into everquest/wow or any of the other MMORPGs (lack of time).

But with traditional RPGs, I generally made the same character over and over again. That way, when I finished Baldur's Gate and started on Neverwinter Nights, the Silk Armon lived on.
 
2013-01-02 02:36:15 PM

ProfessorOhki: You'd think the more of their games they shut down, the confident players of other games will be to make microtransactions, "hey, why should I buy a temporary licence to these cow-shaped pixels if the game is going to just disappear?"

I hope they hang around for a while, they're pretty funny to watch.


I do wonder if this will ultimately backfire on the whole microtransaction thing. If people sunk real money into a game that gets shut down, I would expect that some would then refuse to get into that kind of thing again. Why toss in a few bucks here or there, ultimately adding up considerably, only to lose it all and no longer be able to play?

They could soften the blow by transferring some of that value to other games (example: you spent, say, $10 in whatever microtransactions exist for that game, and they let you take at least $5 of that over to some other game for similar items). People wouldn't feel as though the money was completely flushed down the hole and they'd keep on going. Erase that perceived value and your paying users will bail.
 
2013-01-02 02:37:12 PM

Nem Wan: Charging to unlock on-disc content should be a practice that consumers revolt against. Never buy from that company again. DLC should be created after the main game is completed and improve on the game based on user feedback. I like the "Rockstar Pass" approach where you pay a set price and then you get everything they release. Or wait a year till a Complete Edition of the game comes out.


I'm really not too sure why people get so irritated by DLC (on-disk or not.) IMO, the only real decision is whether you are happy with the game provided for the price it was provided for.

If you like the game they sold you for $60 and consider it worth the price, why does the fact that there was more data on-disk that you have access to offend you? If they later want to sell you a code that turns on that unavailable data for $10 then you decide if that extra content is worth $10 to you.

If you weren't happy with the original content at $60 then there's no reason to buy the game at all.

To me, the big problem is that smaller studios have demonstrated that a quality game can be bought for a helluva lot less than $60, which is making the prices we've been paying for "premium" games for the last few decades seem exorbitant.
 
2013-01-02 02:37:22 PM

Nem Wan: Charging to unlock on-disc content should be a practice that consumers revolt against. Never buy from that company again. DLC should be created after the main game is completed and improve on the game based on user feedback. I like the "Rockstar Pass" approach where you pay a set price and then you get everything they release. Or wait a year till a Complete Edition of the game comes out.


Doesn't have to be on user feedback. There's always that situation where they have to make cuts to hit the release deadline and have some content that's 90% done, but isn't there yet and it didn't go through testing. IMHO, that's the best candidate for DLC; things that were intended on being in there since the start.

Only justification I can think of for on-disc DLC is if the game itself costs less than the $60 price point and the on-disc DLC brings it up to that... like a way of releasing a "light" version of the game w/o having two SKUs; say, Halo w/o the multiplayer or something. And that's never, NEVER how it gets used.
 
2013-01-02 02:40:11 PM

lordargent: Flakeloaf: I played WoW competitively for years so I can understand being upset about plowing hours into a treadmill only to have something happen to it. But I don't "miss" my characters, they cannot be "killed" in the sense she's going on about and even if they were, I wouldn't feel remorse. Some people need to get help.

Never got into everquest/wow or any of the other MMORPGs (lack of time).

But with traditional RPGs, I generally made the same character over and over again. That way, when I finished Baldur's Gate and started on Neverwinter Nights, the Silk Armon lived on.


I recently downloaded the Baulder's Gate Enhanced Edition for my iPad...it was all the brutal experience i remembered.

I did all the quests in Candlekeep, went through the usual storyline,

met up with Imoen and we go off to our first real fight.

It's a wolf! It charges us - CRITICAL HIT 8 DAMAGE TO IMOEN. IMOEN HAS DIED.

ah...memories.
 
2013-01-02 02:41:12 PM

dletter: I was going to come up with "Facebook War" (yes, essentially just the card game "War"... except everyone has their own deck of cards and just "challenges" a friend to a one card "battle" every time)....

Seemed very silly, but, really, not much sillier than any of these other games... which are really more or less the same idea except with more pretty graphics/actions plastered on top of it.


Sounds almost like Magic: The Gathering.
 
2013-01-02 02:42:05 PM

MrEricSir: ProgressQuest > Zynga's "games"


Progress Quest > almost everything on the market right now.
 
2013-01-02 02:42:59 PM
They gobbled up and ruined Draw Something to the point of being unplayable, as they have done with so many other games, so fark them with the unlubed rod of bankruptcy.
 
2013-01-02 02:44:18 PM
It's funny to make fun of games grandmothers play because grandmas aren't cool enough to play CoD.
 
2013-01-02 03:01:10 PM

dletter: "My pet is named after my real pet, and has the best mansion! PLEASE DON"T DO THIS!!!!"

And this is where you should see the signs that you need help.


Well...

this saddens me so much, in june of 2010 my 2 and a half year old Grand Daughter passed away,i set petville up in her memory,redid rooms in her favorite colors and just kinda kid themed it,renamed my pet after her and when ever i needed to feel close to her would go play and just try to remember happy times,i want my pet back why coulld you not just let us keep our already set up game

Yes and no and oh shiat is it dusty in here all of a sudden?

//sorry guys, Im out
 
2013-01-02 03:17:06 PM

corronchilejano: dletter: "My pet is named after my real pet, and has the best mansion! PLEASE DON"T DO THIS!!!!"

And this is where you should see the signs that you need help.

Well...

this saddens me so much, in june of 2010 my 2 and a half year old Grand Daughter passed away,i set petville up in her memory,redid rooms in her favorite colors and just kinda kid themed it,renamed my pet after her and when ever i needed to feel close to her would go play and just try to remember happy times,i want my pet back why coulld you not just let us keep our already set up game

Yes and no and oh shiat is it dusty in here all of a sudden?

//sorry guys, Im out


While that is sad and all.... there is still no guarantee with any game online that the company will still be around to support it after any amount of time.   While that is Zynga sad... could just completely fold up shop and drop all their games... what difference would that be then?
 
2013-01-02 03:45:37 PM

Warrener: Nem Wan: Charging to unlock on-disc content should be a practice that consumers revolt against. Never buy from that company again. DLC should be created after the main game is completed and improve on the game based on user feedback. I like the "Rockstar Pass" approach where you pay a set price and then you get everything they release. Or wait a year till a Complete Edition of the game comes out.

I'm really not too sure why people get so irritated by DLC (on-disk or not.) IMO, the only real decision is whether you are happy with the game provided for the price it was provided for.

If you like the game they sold you for $60 and consider it worth the price, why does the fact that there was more data on-disk that you have access to offend you? If they later want to sell you a code that turns on that unavailable data for $10 then you decide if that extra content is worth $10 to you.

If you weren't happy with the original content at $60 then there's no reason to buy the game at all.

To me, the big problem is that smaller studios have demonstrated that a quality game can be bought for a helluva lot less than $60, which is making the prices we've been paying for "premium" games for the last few decades seem exorbitant.


The biggest issue is not the original purchase, but rahter if you want to have an enjoyable experience online with other friends who also have the game, it's very frustrating to be the one without the DLC. Rather than take away from others' enjoyment, I usually leave the game so they can use the DLC and get the expanded experience for which they've paid.

It's frustrating to buy a game a month after other people to find that there's already DLC out, so the chances of playing multiplayer with other friends (who more often than not have bought the DLC) are essentially very low. So, I just don't buy the games now.

I understand about the licensing, but it's ridiculous to lock out content on a disk that I ALREADY PURCHASED. So, I say to heck with it. As you suggested, I've decided that it's usually NOT worth it for me because I already paid for the disk and feel I should have all access to the disk's content, especially with what some of these games bring in financially (Halo, Call of Duty, etc).
 
xcv
2013-01-02 04:07:14 PM

dletter: "My pet is named after my real pet, and has the best mansion! PLEASE DON"T DO THIS!!!!"

And this is where you should see the signs that you need help.


They could probably milk the madness by selling tamagotchi-like apps for peoples pets to live on offline, maybe commemorative items like plates and urns too. But then it's got to be more lucrative to hook those players on another IAPville.
 
2013-01-02 04:35:57 PM

xcv: dletter: "My pet is named after my real pet, and has the best mansion! PLEASE DON"T DO THIS!!!!"

And this is where you should see the signs that you need help.

They could probably milk the madness by selling tamagotchi-like apps for peoples pets to live on offline, maybe commemorative items like plates and urns too. But then it's got to be more lucrative to hook those players on another IAPville.


Good idea. Program up a little environment that would allow the user to keep their pet (along with any goodies they have for the pet) on their home computer. Randomize a few things to make the pet "active".

Make it available for download for the low, low price of $20 and watch the marks line up to get it so they can save Fluffy the Wonder Pet from the cybergrave.
 
2013-01-02 04:56:29 PM

roughridersfan: xcv: dletter: "My pet is named after my real pet, and has the best mansion! PLEASE DON"T DO THIS!!!!"

And this is where you should see the signs that you need help.

They could probably milk the madness by selling tamagotchi-like apps for peoples pets to live on offline, maybe commemorative items like plates and urns too. But then it's got to be more lucrative to hook those players on another IAPville.

Good idea. Program up a little environment that would allow the user to keep their pet (along with any goodies they have for the pet) on their home computer. Randomize a few things to make the pet "active".

Make it available for download for the low, low price of $20 and watch the marks line up to get it so they can save Fluffy the Wonder Pet from the cybergrave.


This is a pretty great idea actually, the problem would be, "but I need an iOS/Android/OS X/Linux/MsBOB version of the pet program!" The UI is platform independent, but the back-end probably isn't. What I don't understand is why they don't just start merging up the games with small populations onto the same servers. Lose half the people from two games, stick them on the same machine. Seriously, in the era of virtualization, you might as well just leave your games up, discontinue support, and let nature take its course. So what if the entirety of PetVille becomes a single thread running at lowest priority somewhere?

Of course, if your entire revenue stream isn't based on people making purchases to enjoy your game but rather making purchases to wave around in front of OTHER people... well then, that might not be a possibility for you. So, I guess what I'm saying is Zynga's games suck.
 
2013-01-02 05:10:51 PM

roughridersfan: I understand about the licensing, but it's ridiculous to lock out content on a disk that I ALREADY PURCHASED. So, I say to heck with it. As you suggested, I've decided that it's usually NOT worth it for me because I already paid for the disk and feel I should have all access to the disk's content, especially with what some of these games bring in financially (Halo, Call of Duty, etc).


I feel like I'm playing devil's advocate here since I've only purchased one AAA title in the last few years (X-Com) but I feel the need to point out that you may have purchased the delivery medium, you never purchased that DLC/ODC. It would be a similar concept of expecting every channel to be unlocked when you get your cable installed.
 
2013-01-02 05:11:11 PM

corronchilejano: dletter: "My pet is named after my real pet, and has the best mansion! PLEASE DON"T DO THIS!!!!"

And this is where you should see the signs that you need help.

Well...

this saddens me so much, in june of 2010 my 2 and a half year old Grand Daughter passed away,i set petville up in her memory,redid rooms in her favorite colors and just kinda kid themed it,renamed my pet after her and when ever i needed to feel close to her would go play and just try to remember happy times,i want my pet back why coulld you not just let us keep our already set up game

Yes and no and oh shiat is it dusty in here all of a sudden?

//sorry guys, Im out


Please, where did you find this message? I didn't find it at the link. Thanks!
 
2013-01-02 06:12:30 PM
I like steam sales, while I'm hard pressed to think any DLC is worth $20 (F-you EA and your sims franchise that my girlfriend loves! :P) I'll put down the $5 or so their worth whenever steam puts them on sale though. Having said that Zynga is dying in a fire and I'm okay with that, its about time.
 
2013-01-02 07:24:21 PM

Fisty Bum: And nothing of value was lost.


but the 'experts' told me these games would replace console and dedicated computer games.
 
2013-01-02 08:05:20 PM

StopLurkListen: corronchilejano: dletter: "My pet is named after my real pet, and has the best mansion! PLEASE DON"T DO THIS!!!!"

And this is where you should see the signs that you need help.

Well...

this saddens me so much, in june of 2010 my 2 and a half year old Grand Daughter passed away,i set petville up in her memory,redid rooms in her favorite colors and just kinda kid themed it,renamed my pet after her and when ever i needed to feel close to her would go play and just try to remember happy times,i want my pet back why coulld you not just let us keep our already set up game

Yes and no and oh shiat is it dusty in here all of a sudden?

//sorry guys, Im out

Please, where did you find this message? I didn't find it at the link. Thanks!


In TFA there's a link to the fb post by zynga. It was one of the last ones among 400+ posts.
 
2013-01-02 09:20:22 PM
If I had invested money in those games (I'm guessing you can buy items in the game) then I would tell Zynga that they have to reimburse me for a product I can no longer use.
 
2013-01-02 09:20:44 PM
Now what are the 'tards in the Politics tab going to do between posts?
 
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