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(ESPN)   Kobe on the Lakers' problems: "We're old as shiat". Danny Glover nods sympathetically   (espn.go.com) divider line 33
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2013-01-02 02:30:47 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-02 04:09:03 PM
And you have no bench.
And you personally are in Teen Wolf Mode.
And Pau Gasol is about a week away from slitting his wrists in a desperate cry for help.
And Dwight Howard may have reached that point that all big men reach where it's gone, and it's never going to fully be back.
And Ron Artest is your third best scoring option and playing 35 minutes a game for you.
And aside from San Antonio, every other team above you in the West is faster, deeper, and more explosive than your team is on it's best day.

But hey, aside from that, things look great.
 
2013-01-02 04:13:57 PM

jayhawk88: And you have no bench.
And you personally are in Teen Wolf Mode.
And Pau Gasol is about a week away from slitting his wrists in a desperate cry for help.
And Dwight Howard may have reached that point that all big men reach where it's gone, and it's never going to fully be back.
And Ron Artest is your third best scoring option and playing 35 minutes a game for you.
And aside from San Antonio, every other team above you in the West is faster, deeper, and more explosive than your team is on it's best day.

But hey, aside from that, things look great.


And don't forget the newly hired coach whose signature is a complete lack of defense
 
2013-01-02 04:20:15 PM
www.davidwygant.com
 
2013-01-02 04:35:40 PM
Lakers lost last night, so of course today there's a Laker hate thread.

Pile on kiddos. $3B over 20 years.
 
2013-01-02 04:37:43 PM

tortilla burger: jayhawk88: And you have no bench.
And you personally are in Teen Wolf Mode.
And Pau Gasol is about a week away from slitting his wrists in a desperate cry for help.
And Dwight Howard may have reached that point that all big men reach where it's gone, and it's never going to fully be back.
And Ron Artest is your third best scoring option and playing 35 minutes a game for you.
And aside from San Antonio, every other team above you in the West is faster, deeper, and more explosive than your team is on it's best day.

But hey, aside from that, things look great.

And don't forget the newly hired coach whose signature is a complete lack of defense


And they had Phil Jackson seriously considering coming back, and they decided to wake him up at midnight to tell him no, before they gave him the agreed upon reflection process. Jim Buss must be destroyed.
 
2013-01-02 04:38:06 PM

jayhawk88: And you have no bench.
And you personally are in Teen Wolf Mode.
And Pau Gasol is about a week away from slitting his wrists in a desperate cry for help.
And Dwight Howard may have reached that point that all big men reach where it's gone, and it's never going to fully be back.
And Ron Artest is your third best scoring option and playing 35 minutes a game for you.
And aside from San Antonio, every other team above you in the West is faster, deeper, and more explosive than your team is on it's best day.

But hey, aside from that, things look great.


Ladies and gentleman. I think we found Bill Simmon's fark handle.

NTTAWWT, sports guy is a better journalist than most.
 
2013-01-02 04:39:49 PM

justtray: Lakers lost last night, so of course today there's a Laker hate thread.

Pile on kiddos. $3B over 20 years.


The Buss Family appreciates your enthusiasm for their ability to make money hand over fist.
 
2013-01-02 04:42:47 PM
A few days ago he said this is the best he's ever played.

After shooting 29 times with 0 assists in a loss last night, he says they're old as sh*t.

The Lakers are 15-16.


Maybe Kobe needs to just stop talking for awhile.
 
2013-01-02 04:55:18 PM

spanarkelspinner: A few days ago he said this is the best he's ever played.

After shooting 29 times with 0 assists in a loss last night, he says they're old as sh*t.

The Lakers are 15-16.


Maybe Kobe needs to just stop talking for awhile.


I don't see how any of those things are mutually exclusive. He's playing great, the Lakers are old, the Lakers are 15-16, and Kobe perhaps should stop talking. Perhaps reporters should also stop asking, but hey, whatever.
 
2013-01-02 05:05:57 PM
They're really not that old, just playing TERRIBLE. You're supposed to make fewer mental mistakes and play a better more fully developed game as a group of veterans - the Lakers are error prone and lazy.
 
2013-01-02 05:13:08 PM
The Fabulous Geritol Forum!

They've gone from the Showtime Lakers to the Bedtime Lakers.
 
2013-01-02 05:38:38 PM
aaaaannnnd
they still kicked our ass last week

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2013-01-02 06:18:54 PM
aren't the Knicks even older?
 
2013-01-02 07:10:04 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

Anyone else notice, Danny Glover, actually IS old now, rather than just a self-effacing catchphrase?
 
2013-01-02 08:02:17 PM
The Knicks aren't asking Kurt Thomas for 35 minutes a night.
 
2013-01-02 08:21:28 PM

Trocadero: And they had Phil Jackson seriously considering coming back, and they decided to wake him up at midnight to tell him no, before they gave him the agreed upon reflection process. Jim Buss must be destroyed.


Phil + Nash = No worky.
 
2013-01-02 09:38:19 PM

jayhawk88: And you have no bench.
And you personally are in Teen Wolf Mode.
And Pau Gasol is about a week away from slitting his wrists in a desperate cry for help.
And Dwight Howard may have reached that point that all big men reach where it's gone, and it's never going to fully be back.
And Ron Artest is your third best scoring option and playing 35 minutes a game for you.
And aside from San Antonio, every other team above you in the West is faster, deeper, and more explosive than your team is on it's best day.

But hey, aside from that, things look great.


Dude, San Antonio s faster, deeper, and more explosive than the Lakers. They're 3rd in scoring, scoring differential, and second in assists in the entire NBA.
 
2013-01-02 10:13:56 PM
As a Magic fan, it gives me great joy to see Dwight's new team floundering almost as badly as Orlando are. Of course, most Magic fans expected the team to be awful this season. Lakers fans, probably not. Such a shame...
 
2013-01-02 10:29:25 PM
Kobe is 34. He's played 16 80+ game seasons, not counting a ton of playoff games. Old? Not really. Worn the fark down? Uh, yeah.
 
2013-01-02 10:42:40 PM

tortilla burger: jayhawk88: And you have no bench.
And you personally are in Teen Wolf Mode.
And Pau Gasol is about a week away from slitting his wrists in a desperate cry for help.
And Dwight Howard may have reached that point that all big men reach where it's gone, and it's never going to fully be back.
And Ron Artest is your third best scoring option and playing 35 minutes a game for you.
And aside from San Antonio, every other team above you in the West is faster, deeper, and more explosive than your team is on it's best day.

But hey, aside from that, things look great.

And don't forget the newly hired coach whose signature is a complete lack of defense


Calling the Suns a bad defensive team under D'antoni makes you look quite ignorant.
 
2013-01-02 10:48:06 PM
Looked it up.. yep. Knicks are are oldest team by both age (31.3) and NBA experience (8.4). Clippers are 2nd in both (29.3, 81) [though I'm sure Kurt Thomas and Grant Hill respectively are dragging both of those averages up].

3. Heat 29.1, 7.5
4. Lakers 28.4, 7.1
5. Bulls 28.0, 6.9
6. Celtics 27.9, 6.5
7. Spurs 27.9, 5.7
8. Nets 27.9, 6.4
9. Mavs 27.7, 6.1
10. Hawks 26.8, 5.5
28. Cavs 24.4, 3.3
29. Hornets 24.1, 2.6
30. Rockets 23.6, 1.9
 
2013-01-02 11:02:59 PM

wholedamnshow: tortilla burger: jayhawk88: And you have no bench.
And you personally are in Teen Wolf Mode.
And Pau Gasol is about a week away from slitting his wrists in a desperate cry for help.
And Dwight Howard may have reached that point that all big men reach where it's gone, and it's never going to fully be back.
And Ron Artest is your third best scoring option and playing 35 minutes a game for you.
And aside from San Antonio, every other team above you in the West is faster, deeper, and more explosive than your team is on it's best day.

But hey, aside from that, things look great.

And don't forget the newly hired coach whose signature is a complete lack of defense

Calling the Suns a bad defensive team under D'antoni makes you look quite ignorant.


Yeah, they weren't nearly as bad as their points allowed per game would indicate. Which makes sense: if you play at a faster pace there will be more possessions in each game, and thus more points in each game. D'Antoni's Suns teams were roughly middle of the pack on a per-possession basis.

That said, he's not a *good* defensive coach. Just one with a worse reputation on that end than he probably deserves.
 
2013-01-02 11:12:49 PM

The Bestest: Looked it up.. yep. Knicks are are oldest team by both age (31.3) and NBA experience (8.4). Clippers are 2nd in both (29.3, 81) [though I'm sure Kurt Thomas and Grant Hill respectively are dragging both of those averages up].

3. Heat 29.1, 7.5
4. Lakers 28.4, 7.1
5. Bulls 28.0, 6.9
6. Celtics 27.9, 6.5
7. Spurs 27.9, 5.7
8. Nets 27.9, 6.4
9. Mavs 27.7, 6.1
10. Hawks 26.8, 5.5
28. Cavs 24.4, 3.3
29. Hornets 24.1, 2.6
30. Rockets 23.6, 1.9


Interesting, all but the Lakers are doing well so far this season. The ROckets are going to be a threat in the future when the youth matures and Cleveland and New Orleans may suck now but if that team stays together with a couple of good drafts they may be a legitimate threat in the future.
 
2013-01-02 11:15:58 PM

FreakinB: That said, he's not a *good* defensive coach. Just one with a worse reputation on that end than he probably deserves.


If you ever do poorly for a NYC or Boston team, then that is all anyone will ever remember for the rest of your career unless you were maybe shoo-in HoF player/coach material before that.
 
2013-01-02 11:26:27 PM

IAmRight: FreakinB: That said, he's not a *good* defensive coach. Just one with a worse reputation on that end than he probably deserves.

If you ever do poorly for a NYC or Boston team, then that is all anyone will ever remember for the rest of your career unless you were maybe shoo-in HoF player/coach material before that.


Tell that to Isiah Thomas
 
2013-01-03 10:13:48 AM

bhcompy: Tell that to Isiah Thomas


I was just thinking that the only one to really avoid the full criticism is Randy Johnson, so I made the HoF exception. But I should've thrown in the maybe on that side of the HoF, too.

/in fairness, Isiah has also sucked in management in a lot of other places
 
2013-01-03 11:43:48 AM

John Buck 41: Kobe is 34. He's played 16 80+ game seasons, not counting a ton of playoff games. Old? Not really. Worn the fark down? Uh, yeah.


I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe a couple more years left in him and that is it.
 
2013-01-03 01:36:10 PM

kdawg7736: John Buck 41: Kobe is 34. He's played 16 80+ game seasons, not counting a ton of playoff games. Old? Not really. Worn the fark down? Uh, yeah.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe a couple more years left in him and that is it.


Two more years of Kobe starting at a very high level left, sure.

He would be deadly off the bench in a gun for hire perimeter game for years beyond that, but doubtful he will.
 
2013-01-03 01:44:41 PM
As a lifelong Laker fan, D'Antoni is starting to piss me off. His offensive 'system' with the team the Lakers have currently assembled is not a match. He needs to let the team play at a slower pace to accomodate the age/mileage many of the key players have. Here are some interesting stats to back up that assertion:

* The Lakers are 10-5 this season in low-possession games
(95 or fewer possessions), but only 5-11 in high-possession
games (96 or more possessions).

* With Mike D'Antoni on the sidelines, the Lakers are 8-2 in
low-possession games, but only 2-9 in high-possession
games.

* Early in the season, a fast pace wasn't an issue: they won
their first 3 games in which they had at least 100
possessions.

* But lately, they haven't been good in fast-pace games:
They've lost 6 of their last 7 games with at least 100
possessions.

* Meanwhile, they've won 5 straight games with 95 or fewer
possessions.

* Seven of their last 8 wins have been with 95 or fewer
possessions.

Lakers Record by Possessions
With Mike D'Antoni as Head Coach
100 or more 2-6
96-99 0-3
95 or fewer 8-2

Lakers Record This Season by Possessions
100 or more 4-6
96-99 1-5
95 or fewer 10-5


Slowing it down & walking it up the floor when nothing is there is also more suited to playoff style basketball, which the Lakers are in danger of missing if they don't get their shiat together.

Oh, & why not actually PRACTICE some defense instead of just talking about it?!?

/rant concluded
 
2013-01-03 01:47:31 PM
i156.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-03 01:59:15 PM

lakrfool: Here are some interesting stats to back up that assertion:


So, prior to D'Antoni getting there, their records were as follows:

100+ possessions: 2-0
96-99 possessions: 1-2
95 or fewer possessions: 2-3

And you're mad because it's ever so slightly faster?

/the biggest problem seems to be those 96-99 possession games
 
2013-01-03 06:38:36 PM

vial: kdawg7736: John Buck 41: Kobe is 34. He's played 16 80+ game seasons, not counting a ton of playoff games. Old? Not really. Worn the fark down? Uh, yeah.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe a couple more years left in him and that is it.

Two more years of Kobe starting at a very high level left, sure.

He would be deadly off the bench in a gun for hire perimeter game for years beyond that, but doubtful he will.


Kobe needs to become Ray Allen in the D'Antoni offense and for the rest of his career given the mileage. Let the PG do the lifting, just get to your spot and hit your jumpers or pass in to the post.
 
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