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2013-01-02 09:27:40 AM
One question - how the hell are schools going to pay for this??

We had a state trooper as our resource officer until budget cuts. But school money is so tight these days there is no room for any extras. And goddammit if you take away from kids' actual education (and this includes the arts) to fund your TSA style security theatre which does nothing but make you feel like you're doing something...
 
2013-01-02 09:27:56 AM
Well, they *could* use an armed police officer and reinforced doors and shatterproof glass *or* they could use this rock I have.  I placed it at my son's daycare and it has kept it safe all last year.
 
2013-01-02 09:36:44 AM

UberDave: Well, they *could* use an armed police officer and reinforced doors and shatterproof glass *or* they could use this rock I have.  I placed it at my son's daycare and it has kept it safe all last year.


Why didn't you loan that rock to Newtown, CT?  You're a monster!
 
2013-01-02 09:41:46 AM

UberDave: Well, they *could* use an armed police officer and reinforced doors and shatterproof glass *or* they could use this rock I have.  I placed it at my son's daycare and it has kept it safe all last year.


If only we had more. Perhaps science could precisely replicate that rock.
 
2013-01-02 09:42:43 AM
So, cakewalk OT duty for the 9 most senior officers?
 
2013-01-02 09:48:26 AM
UberDave
Well, they *could* use an armed police officer and reinforced doors and shatterproof glass *or* they could use this rock I have. I placed it at my son's daycare and it has kept it safe all last year.

Dave, I'd like to buy your rock.
 
2013-01-02 09:54:55 AM
Yeah...no. That armed guard would be asked to leave my room.
 
2013-01-02 10:22:52 AM
simpsonswiki.net
 
2013-01-02 10:23:35 AM

farkingismybusiness: UberDave
Well, they *could* use an armed police officer and reinforced doors and shatterproof glass *or* they could use this rock I have. I placed it at my son's daycare and it has kept it safe all last year.

Dave, I'd like to buy your rock.


damn, I should read the thread before making simpsons references.
 
2013-01-02 10:26:41 AM

tudorgurl: Yeah...no. That armed guard would be asked to leave my room.


That's another question in all of this.  What if the teachers object?  Will this be forced on classrooms that do not want it?
 
2013-01-02 10:27:32 AM
choosepp.net
Pick up that rock.
 
2013-01-02 10:31:06 AM
This program is clearly the worst,
I hope the decision's reversed.
They're not gonna neuter
A single school shooter
The cops will just end up dead first.
 
2013-01-02 10:52:48 AM

namegoeshere: One question - how the hell are schools going to pay for this??


to borrow another simpsons reference, since they have the armed guards there already, they could start housing prisoners in the coat closets for additional revenue.
 
2013-01-02 10:54:05 AM

namegoeshere: One question - how the hell are schools going to pay for this??


Cut teachers, cut the music program, really cut anything except the football, basketball and baseball teams.  There will be no help paying for this, the people who are demanding it will never allow for extra funding to pay for it.
 
2013-01-02 10:55:40 AM
Thankfully the good folks at Omni Consumer Products has the answer for classroom security. They just need those dolts in Marketing to finish focus-grouping a friendly sounding name for the thing...something like "Ed"
 
2013-01-02 11:02:46 AM
What ever happened to personal responsibility?

Arm the children and let them defend themselves!
 
2013-01-02 11:07:30 AM
Forget the gun issue, more and more, people are going to get used to police presence in their everyday lives.

What better way to accustom citizens to 'personal' cops than to put them in grade schools to begin with. Once you grow up with a cop close to you, eventually you respond to every command he gives you. They will become the angels sent by God to protect us.

And he will always be right.
 
2013-01-02 11:20:59 AM

namegoeshere: One question - how the hell are schools going to pay for this??

We had a state trooper as our resource officer until budget cuts. But school money is so tight these days there is no room for any extras. And goddammit if you take away from kids' actual education (and this includes the arts) to fund your TSA style security theatre which does nothing but make you feel like you're doing something...


Well, you see, citizen, we just raised national taxes overnight.  I'm sure somewhere in there we can find the money and authority for a federal oversight program similar to the Touch and See Administration for all schools.  Otherwise, only the rich schools will have guards and the poor schools will be subject to random spree shootings.  That would be racist.

So, in their need to fend off questions of who kills who, the NRA and the right deflected to an even greater evil...the government placing expensive armed guards in every school in the country.  The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

Maybe we can call this the Patrioter Act.
 
2013-01-02 11:24:07 AM
Yes, nothing assures young children that everything is going to be alright quite like seeing an armed guard in the corner of their classroom.  What an absolutely brilliant idea.
 
2013-01-02 11:33:50 AM
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2013-01-02 11:39:19 AM

Godscrack: What better way to accustom citizens to 'personal' cops than to put them in grade schools to begin with. Once you grow up with a cop close to you, eventually you respond to every command he gives you. They will become the angels sent by God to protect us.


One of the reasons I won't commute to NYC or take Metro-North is the armed officers they placed on the trains in 2001. Walking up and down. Watching everyone. Making their presence known.  Making people like me, who have anxiety disorders, freak out even more at how tense and uncomfortable they were making people.  Add in "random bag searches" and I'd rather never leave the house again than subject myself to that.

But I wasn't raised that way. A lot of people younger than I am are being raised that way. "There were always cops on the trains" will eventually be "there were always cops in the classroom" and we're going to end up in a police state. I know I sound like a tin foil hat wearing lunatic, but what is this if not the beginnings of a police state?
 
2013-01-02 11:41:29 AM

namegoeshere: One question - how the hell are schools going to pay for this??

We had a state trooper as our resource officer until budget cuts. But school money is so tight these days there is no room for any extras. And goddammit if you take away from kids' actual education (and this includes the arts) to fund your TSA style security theatre which does nothing but make you feel like you're doing something...


Marlboro is one of the wealthier school districts.  I'm sure they have the budget.  And they're definitely crazy enough to vote on putting it in the budget going forward.  That town's almost entirely white, upper middle-class--a sprawl of McMansions that used to be farmland.
 
2013-01-02 11:52:00 AM

serpent_sky: I know I sound like a tin foil hat wearing lunatic, but what is this if not the beginnings of a police state?


Everyone just needs to step back and look at the whole picture.
 
2013-01-02 11:53:54 AM
the issue here isn't putting more guns in school, it's putting more bibles in schools. you see, when jesus rose from the dead, he did so as a vampire. and we all know that vampires can only enter a building if they are invited in. when the secular supreme court banned jesus from our schools, it essentially banned jesus from protecting our most vulnerable citizens, the children.  if we start putting bibles back in our schools and instead banning things like garlic, jesus will once again be able to thwart school shootings.
 
2013-01-02 11:57:46 AM

thomps: the issue here isn't putting more guns in school, it's putting more bibles in schools. you see, when jesus rose from the dead, he did so as a vampire. and we all know that vampires can only enter a building if they are invited in. when the secular supreme court banned jesus from our schools, it essentially banned jesus from protecting our most vulnerable citizens, the children.  if we start putting bibles back in our schools and instead banning things like garlic, jesus will once again be able to thwart school shootings.


Not to mention, nothing stops a bullet like a full-size Bible.
 
2013-01-02 11:58:11 AM

namegoeshere: One question - how the hell are schools going to pay for this??

We had a state trooper as our resource officer until budget cuts. But school money is so tight these days there is no room for any extras. And goddammit if you take away from kids' actual education (and this includes the arts) to fund your TSA style security theatre which does nothing but make you feel like you're doing something...


Consolidate school districts.  We have way too much support staff.
 
2013-01-02 12:04:03 PM
So, I'm now taking bets on how long this will last before the "armed, fully trained and uniformed police officer" is downgraded to a 70-year-old underpaid rent-a-cop with an antiquated revolver.
 
2013-01-02 12:04:28 PM
Will they also have armed escorts during Gunmerican Armored Wankball games?
 
2013-01-02 12:05:34 PM
GAT_00:
namegoeshere: One question - how the hell are schools going to pay for this??

Cut teachers, cut the music program, really cut anything except the football, basketball and baseball teams.


Oh they better not be cutting the swim team! GO SPARTANS!

/high school sports obsession is a mass mental disorder
 
2013-01-02 12:06:19 PM

SkunkWerks: So, I'm now taking bets on how long this will last before the "armed, fully trained and uniformed police officer" is downgraded to a 70-year-old underpaid rent-a-cop with an antiquated revolver.


my bet is that "gun-wielding pedophile" happens first.
 
2013-01-02 12:06:25 PM
My high school had a resource officer from the time my sister started (1999)  to the time my younger brother graduated (9 years). I'm not saying it's the greatest idea, but these kind of officers have been around for awhile.
 
2013-01-02 12:08:09 PM
What morans envision:
img2.timeinc.net

Reality:

www.wonderful-words-for-a-weary-world.org
 
2013-01-02 12:09:15 PM
Increase funding to the schools. Put a cop on the grounds. There's other stuff he can do as well.

This isn't hard and you don't have to do it for every damned class. Hell, my middle and high schools both had an "SRO" (school resource officer). Cops even ate lunch at the cafeteria on break from patrol.

Also, for those of you acting like this is some sort of step over the line on student's civil rights... you're way too late for that. Actually, this may be the only "security" measure I've heard mentioned for schools that may have any actual real effective impact.
 
2013-01-02 12:09:27 PM
WE ARE SANDY HOOK!

/everyone live in fear
 
2013-01-02 12:10:09 PM
Wait until a cop/guard is killed or incapacitated first by a future deranged killer. Then what? Upgrade to SWAT on site? Gun turrets like in a prison?
 
2013-01-02 12:10:18 PM

tudorgurl: Yeah...no. That armed guard would be asked to leave my room.


Would you have refused to do duck and cover drills too or would you file for some sort of PTSD disability if asked to do that?
 
2013-01-02 12:10:49 PM
Just deploy some ED209's, problem solved.
 
2013-01-02 12:13:25 PM

namegoeshere: One question - how the hell are schools going to pay for this??

We had a state trooper as our resource officer until budget cuts. But school money is so tight these days there is no room for any extras. And goddammit if you take away from kids' actual education (and this includes the arts) to fund your TSA style security theatre which does nothing but make you feel like you're doing something...


My vote? How about a tax on new firearms/ammunition purchases? Since the NRA is in favor of it, why not fund it via the sort of customers the NRA makes use of?
 
2013-01-02 12:13:29 PM

thomps: SkunkWerks: So, I'm now taking bets on how long this will last before the "armed, fully trained and uniformed police officer" is downgraded to a 70-year-old underpaid rent-a-cop with an antiquated revolver.

my bet is that "gun-wielding pedophile" happens first.


Sadly this.
Or brown-boy-with-cell-phone is killed when his phone is mistaken for a weapon.
 
2013-01-02 12:13:33 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: namegoeshere: One question - how the hell are schools going to pay for this??

We had a state trooper as our resource officer until budget cuts. But school money is so tight these days there is no room for any extras. And goddammit if you take away from kids' actual education (and this includes the arts) to fund your TSA style security theatre which does nothing but make you feel like you're doing something...

Consolidate school districts.  We have way too much support staff & admin that have gargantuan benefit packages that are helping to crash our economy.


ftfme

whoa
either i've just been trolled
or someone else believes in fiscal responsibility
 
2013-01-02 12:14:49 PM
Steel doors that require a pass code to unlock and bullet proof glass are probably the best possible common sense preventions. But I don't expect to hear any agreement from my fronds/acquaintances that fap to the 2nd Amendment.
 
2013-01-02 12:14:50 PM

tudorgurl: Yeah...no. That armed guard would be asked to leave my room.


The only time I ever saw the school PO enter a room was to escort someone from school property as deemed fit by the administration. If the PO comes in your room, it's because either you or your bosses will have asked him to be there. Quit being so hyperbolic.
 
2013-01-02 12:14:55 PM
School was bad enough for me, but if there were armed guards at the door it really would have seemed like prison.
 
2013-01-02 12:15:15 PM
We will need a more heavily armed guard to watch the first one. In case he goes rogue.
 
2013-01-02 12:15:58 PM

Antimatter: namegoeshere: One question - how the hell are schools going to pay for this??

We had a state trooper as our resource officer until budget cuts. But school money is so tight these days there is no room for any extras. And goddammit if you take away from kids' actual education (and this includes the arts) to fund your TSA style security theatre which does nothing but make you feel like you're doing something...

My vote? How about a tax on new firearms/ammunition purchases? Since the NRA is in favor of it, why not fund it via the sort of customers the NRA makes use of?


There are already taxes in place for firearm and ammunition purchases.
 
2013-01-02 12:16:56 PM
Friends rather. Typing on a tablet sucks balls.
 
2013-01-02 12:16:56 PM
ban schools! homeschool!
 
2013-01-02 12:17:01 PM

Godscrack: serpent_sky: I know I sound like a tin foil hat wearing lunatic, but what is this if not the beginnings of a police state?

Everyone just needs to step back and look at the whole picture.


Thank God somebody in this thread has some sense.

I suppose we should just leave the children unprotected for the next nutball to slaughter with impunity.
 
2013-01-02 12:17:06 PM

Giltric: tudorgurl: Yeah...no. That armed guard would be asked to leave my room.

Would you have refused to do duck and cover drills too or would you file for some sort of PTSD disability if asked to do that?


I do not want nor need an armed police officer or guard in my classroom. Period. Duck and cover drills are retarded, too, because a small metal desk isn't going to protect you from a nuclear blast.
 
2013-01-02 12:17:34 PM
KidneyStone: Take the next Virgin Galactic to Mars to start your own gun paradise there. You can escape religious persecution that way.
 
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