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(Talking Points Memo)   The House forgot to help out all those hurricane victims before adjourning. Peter King, always a voice of reason, is said to have muttered "What the fark is wrong with you people?"   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 97
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2013-01-02 08:13:39 AM
Maybe the folks in NJ should have to take an oath swearing allegiance to America before they can get the money?

//See 9/11 funds statements if this does not ring a bell.
 
2013-01-02 08:15:50 AM
Maybe the Northeastern US shouldn't have voted mostly Democrat, if they had wanted aid from the Republican-controlled House?

Petty vengeance is farking ridiculous.
 
2013-01-02 08:17:11 AM
Wow...just wow.
 
2013-01-02 08:18:53 AM
What is more important, political theater where each side tries to score points or governing. As long as there is some contrived issue to grand stand about little things like peoples' lives will have to wait
 
2013-01-02 08:25:30 AM

Cheron: What is more important, political theater where each side tries to score points or governing. As long as there is some contrived issue to grand stand about little things like peoples' lives will have to wait


Exactly, and that is what is wrong with the damn GOP right now. Facing a fiscal cliff, which will cause most tax-paying Americans to pay more? Well, we'll just wait until the last minute and reject any sort of compromise that helps the majority, if it raises taxes on the wealthiest 1% of Americans. Millions of Americans in need of assistance after being ravaged by a major hurricane? Well, we will just adjourn, rather than take up the bill that will help those people out. After all, they did vote Democrat in November.

That's not leadership. That's not governing. That's petty bullshiate, and it needs to stop. The GOP needs to grow up, stop being petty tyrants, and work with the President and Democrats to solve America's issues. Whining, seeking petty vengeance whenever possible, and obstructing anything the Democrats try to do without even trying to seriously compromise is not acceptable.
 
2013-01-02 08:25:53 AM
Those stupid farking New Yorkers and New Jerseyians should pull themselves up by their water-logged bootstraps!
 
2013-01-02 08:26:16 AM
Well, they want to be sure there's a rider in there stating that no illegals get any Sandy money.

/See Monoski's statement above
 
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2013-01-02 08:26:19 AM
I think this was actually a political maneuver. They have to go back home over the little break and hear how they sold out Americans to socialism, etc, and they want to come back first thing and "make helping Americans a priority" so they have fresh headlines to wipe this one out. I don't think they forgot a damn thing.
 
2013-01-02 08:29:05 AM
Obviously they shouldn't have built cities where giant once-in-a-century superstorms couldn't hit them.

It's their fault for not planning for occurrences that most people MAYBE see twice in their natural lives.
 
2013-01-02 08:31:23 AM
Fox blamed Harry Reid for the House not voting this morning.

Makes sense to Republicans.
 
2013-01-02 08:32:37 AM

BlueDWarrior: Obviously they shouldn't have built cities where giant once-in-a-century superstorms couldn't hit them.


Maybe they should have built their city on rock and roll
 
2013-01-02 08:33:06 AM

MmmmBacon: That's not leadership. That's not governing. That's petty bullshiate, and it needs to stop. The GOP needs to grow up, stop being petty tyrants, and work with the President and Democrats to solve America's issues. Whining, seeking petty vengeance whenever possible, and obstructing anything the Democrats try to do without even trying to seriously compromise is not acceptable.


It's not going to stop. The current GOP is digging in. They're going to hold out for their brethren in the state houses to keep rewriting district maps to make it even harder for Democrats to win. They don't see what they're doing as a negative.
 
2013-01-02 08:34:09 AM
First of all, the fact this barely passed the Senate with only 62 votes is incredibly sad.

That said, it might actually be easier for the House to pass this after the new members are seated and several members of the teabag coup are safely away from the reigns of power. Of course, the Senate will have to revote, but there are a few less whiners there this time around too.
 
2013-01-02 08:35:23 AM

Serious Black: Those stupid farking New Yorkers and New Jerseyians should pull themselves up by their water-logged bootstraps!


Kind of ironic, since they've been pulling the rest of us up by our bootstraps for years (in terms of federal contributions vs expenditures). But the one time they actually need some kind of aid...
 
2013-01-02 08:35:26 AM

brigid_fitch: Well, they want to be sure there's a rider in there stating that no illegals get any Sandy money.

/See Monoski's statement above


That's funny since many undocumented workers are probably rebuilding parts of NY and NJ.

A quick way to shut King up: tell him Muslims might get some of that money as well.
 
2013-01-02 08:38:33 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: BlueDWarrior: Obviously they shouldn't have built cities where giant once-in-a-century superstorms couldn't hit them.

Maybe they should have built their city on rock and roll


Boehner plays the Mamba...
 
2013-01-02 08:42:31 AM

NateGrey: Fox blamed Harry Reid for the House not voting this morning.

Makes sense to Republicans.


Well, Harry and Barry are spineless, weak, inconsequential no-mandate fools with the power to bend republican controlled entities to their will.
 
2013-01-02 08:46:33 AM
Storm or no storm, I'd think twice before handing $60 billion to a bunch of politicians from New York and New Jersey...especially the half for vaguely-defined 'preparedness' projects.

So many of you think the money would actually go to the people who need it. Positively adorable. Really.
 
2013-01-02 08:48:58 AM
Even in passing a "fiscal cliff" bill the House Republicans come out looking like incompetent fools more concerned with attention whorring, internal backstabbing, and personal agendas than governing. While President Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and even Mich McConnell hammerd out a deal that made it through the Senate because the House passed the buck, one Republican congressperson after another was appearing on the news pointing fingers explaininghow the fiasco was the other guy's fault.
 
2013-01-02 08:49:04 AM

Gulper Eel: Storm or no storm, I'd think twice before handing $60 billion to a bunch of politicians from New York and New Jersey...especially the half for vaguely-defined 'preparedness' projects.

So many of you think the money would actually go to the people who need it. Positively adorable. Really.


Better a million poor people die of starvation than one glutton take advantage.
 
2013-01-02 08:51:32 AM

Serious Black: Better a million poor people die of starvation than one glutton take advantage.


Clearly you've never done a glutton count for the NYC metro.

The only money going to relief will be the barest minimum.
 
2013-01-02 08:52:19 AM
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2013-01-02 08:52:48 AM

Great_Milenko: First of all, the fact this barely passed the Senate with only 62 votes is incredibly sad.

That said, it might actually be easier for the House to pass this after the new members are seated and several members of the teabag coup are safely away from the reigns of power. Of course, the Senate will have to revote, but there are a few less whiners there this time around too.


Also sad: 62 votes is only "barely passing" the Senate.
 
2013-01-02 08:55:15 AM
Next time a twister hits the midwest, democrats should attach a "Free Porn/Abortion" amendment.
 
2013-01-02 08:55:51 AM

Publikwerks: Next time a twister hits the midwest, democrats should attach a "Free Porn/Abortion" amendment.


To the relief package that is.
 
2013-01-02 08:56:31 AM

Serious Black: Gulper Eel: Storm or no storm, I'd think twice before handing $60 billion to a bunch of politicians from New York and New Jersey...especially the half for vaguely-defined 'preparedness' projects.

So many of you think the money would actually go to the people who need it. Positively adorable. Really.

Better a million poor people die of starvation than one glutton take advantage.


I've got no problem with the GOP doubling down on stuff like this, denying federal aid in the face of one of the largest domestic disasters of all time. It continues to hasten their marginalization.
 
2013-01-02 08:57:00 AM

Gulper Eel: Serious Black: Better a million poor people die of starvation than one glutton take advantage.

Clearly you've never done a glutton count for the NYC metro.

The only money going to relief will be the barest minimum.


Then why not actually write into law strict rules for the usage of that money, perhaps leverage some of the existing programs in order to make sure that victims are the ones helped instead of the money just disappearing into the rabbit hole.


That or we could just not do anything and hope the market sorts itself out after the poor have to flood into the stretched rental market, etc. etc.

(Ask NOLA how jacked up it's housing market is still to this day)
 
2013-01-02 09:01:28 AM
The Koch brothers have been paying off Republicans to oppose Sandy relief. They didn't "forget" to do anything.
 
2013-01-02 09:01:46 AM
You gotta get that $150 million to the Alaskan Fisheries impacted by Hurricane Sandy stat...
 
2013-01-02 09:02:42 AM
How does a tally of 89 yeas and 8 nays constitute "62 votes"?
 
2013-01-02 09:03:50 AM

MmmmBacon: Facing a fiscal cliff, which will cause most tax-paying Americans to pay more


want something and I don't want to pay for it.
 
2013-01-02 09:04:07 AM

Gulper Eel: Serious Black: Better a million poor people die of starvation than one glutton take advantage.

Clearly you've never done a glutton count for the NYC metro.

The only money going to relief will be the barest minimum.


This is how Republicans justify denying aid to disaster victims. Pathetic.
 
2013-01-02 09:04:07 AM

TheGreatGazoo: You gotta get that $150 million to the Alaskan Fisheries impacted by Hurricane Sandy stat...


Another sucker who believes Coburn at face value I see.
 
2013-01-02 09:04:17 AM

DMMidwest: How does a tally of 89 yeas and 8 nays constitute "62 votes"?


Only 62 voted for cloture: if 38 Senators had had their way, there wouldn't have even been a vote.
 
2013-01-02 09:05:44 AM

Edsel: Serious Black: Gulper Eel: Storm or no storm, I'd think twice before handing $60 billion to a bunch of politicians from New York and New Jersey...especially the half for vaguely-defined 'preparedness' projects.

So many of you think the money would actually go to the people who need it. Positively adorable. Really.

Better a million poor people die of starvation than one glutton take advantage.

I've got no problem with the GOP doubling down on stuff like this, denying federal aid in the face of one of the largest domestic disasters of all time. It continues to hasten their marginalization.


No it won't. Thanks to states redistricting efforts, the House Republicans are about as safe as they can get until the next census and district redrawing efforts take place. They may be totally against every policy favored by a majority of US citizens, but as long as their gerrymandered voters in their district want them to vote against tax increases, or anything else, they aren't going anywhere.
 
2013-01-02 09:06:25 AM
Thanks for the clarification.
 
2013-01-02 09:08:23 AM
In Ron Paultopia this wouldn't even be an issue because all those poor suckers would be on their own anyway! So NOT voting for Ron Paul is the same as voting for Ron Paul, maybe worse!

RON PAUL!!!
 
2013-01-02 09:09:03 AM
The House forgot to help out all those hurricane victims before adjourning

There was a rock concert. Move on.
 
2013-01-02 09:17:01 AM

BlueDWarrior: Then why not actually write into law strict rules for the usage of that money, perhaps leverage some of the existing programs in order to make sure that victims are the ones helped instead of the money just disappearing into the rabbit hole.


B-b-b-b-b-but the rules are where the legislative goodies are tucked away!

Water-driven natural disasters are by far the nastiest kind of natural disaster to deal with, and just as it's a damn fool idea to subsidize rebuilding in the parts of New Orleans that are below sea level (and dropping), it's a damn fool idea to subsidize the coastal rebuilding demanded in NY and NJ.

For the people who lost everything, I have no problem with getting them new roofs over their heads...under the condition that they move inland.

Instead, we get political and business farkwits like the NY asshats insisting they're moving ahead with plans to build this.

www.washingtonpost.com

Yes, that's a 600-foot-high Ferris wheel, yes, that's Staten Island and yes, that's a flood zone they're building on. And yes, anybody who believes the NYC politicians' blue-sky scenarios on how this will turn out is an idiot.
 
2013-01-02 09:21:12 AM

Gulper Eel: BlueDWarrior: Then why not actually write into law strict rules for the usage of that money, perhaps leverage some of the existing programs in order to make sure that victims are the ones helped instead of the money just disappearing into the rabbit hole.

B-b-b-b-b-but the rules are where the legislative goodies are tucked away!

Water-driven natural disasters are by far the nastiest kind of natural disaster to deal with, and just as it's a damn fool idea to subsidize rebuilding in the parts of New Orleans that are below sea level (and dropping), it's a damn fool idea to subsidize the coastal rebuilding demanded in NY and NJ.

For the people who lost everything, I have no problem with getting them new roofs over their heads...under the condition that they move inland.

Instead, we get political and business farkwits like the NY asshats insisting they're moving ahead with plans to build this.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 592x404]

Yes, that's a 600-foot-high Ferris wheel, yes, that's Staten Island and yes, that's a flood zone they're building on. And yes, anybody who believes the NYC politicians' blue-sky scenarios on how this will turn out is an idiot.


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That would be a hell of a infrastructure project, basically moving every major metro area that will most likely take it up the butt from a CAT-2 or better Storm over the next 80 years a good 20 or so miles inland.
 
2013-01-02 09:22:12 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: This is how Republicans justify denying aid to disaster victims. Pathetic.


You fail at comprehension, and your appeal to emotion isn't so hot either.

Congress could rubber-stamp the entire $60 billion, and the thieves in Albany and Trenton would piss it away - with the disaster victims last in line for help.

There is precious little in the historical record that demonstrates that legislators from the greater New York region are honest, competent or prudent with a buck. Even getting to two out of three is a herculean achievement.
 
2013-01-02 09:22:35 AM

Gulper Eel: BlueDWarrior: Then why not actually write into law strict rules for the usage of that money, perhaps leverage some of the existing programs in order to make sure that victims are the ones helped instead of the money just disappearing into the rabbit hole.

B-b-b-b-b-but the rules are where the legislative goodies are tucked away!

Water-driven natural disasters are by far the nastiest kind of natural disaster to deal with, and just as it's a damn fool idea to subsidize rebuilding in the parts of New Orleans that are below sea level (and dropping), it's a damn fool idea to subsidize the coastal rebuilding demanded in NY and NJ.

For the people who lost everything, I have no problem with getting them new roofs over their heads...under the condition that they move inland.

Instead, we get political and business farkwits like the NY asshats insisting they're moving ahead with plans to build this.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 592x404]

Yes, that's a 600-foot-high Ferris wheel, yes, that's Staten Island and yes, that's a flood zone they're building on. And yes, anybody who believes the NYC politicians' blue-sky scenarios on how this will turn out is an idiot.


How far from the nearest body of water do you think we should relocate the American public?
 
2013-01-02 09:24:08 AM

BlueDWarrior: That would be a hell of a infrastructure project, basically moving every major metro area that will most likely take it up the butt from a CAT-2 or better Storm over the next 80 years a good 20 or so miles inland.


Nice strawman. 20 miles inland is hardly necessary...but rebuilding homes in the same spot is asking for trouble.
 
2013-01-02 09:26:07 AM

mittromneysdog: The Koch brothers have been paying off Republicans to oppose Sandy relief. They didn't "forget" to do anything.


I think that this is the most disgusting part of the whole thing. The fact that the Koch brothers can throw their money around and deny thousands of people aid and no ramifications.

This would be a good time to address campaign finance laws.
 
2013-01-02 09:26:41 AM

Gulper Eel: BlueDWarrior: That would be a hell of a infrastructure project, basically moving every major metro area that will most likely take it up the butt from a CAT-2 or better Storm over the next 80 years a good 20 or so miles inland.

Nice strawman. 20 miles inland is hardly necessary...but rebuilding homes in the same spot is asking for trouble.


well you gotta put them somewhere, and we've kinda already built the hell out of those areas... unless you are arguing for even more urban sprawl...
 
2013-01-02 09:27:21 AM

Bendal: Edsel: Serious Black: Gulper Eel: Storm or no storm, I'd think twice before handing $60 billion to a bunch of politicians from New York and New Jersey...especially the half for vaguely-defined 'preparedness' projects.

So many of you think the money would actually go to the people who need it. Positively adorable. Really.

Better a million poor people die of starvation than one glutton take advantage.

I've got no problem with the GOP doubling down on stuff like this, denying federal aid in the face of one of the largest domestic disasters of all time. It continues to hasten their marginalization.

No it won't. Thanks to states redistricting efforts, the House Republicans are about as safe as they can get until the next census and district redrawing efforts take place. They may be totally against every policy favored by a majority of US citizens, but as long as their gerrymandered voters in their district want them to vote against tax increases, or anything else, they aren't going anywhere.


Otherwise known as Texas. This state is gerrymandered to death. Truly.
 
2013-01-02 09:27:33 AM
Maybe Gov. Christie shouldn't have been so cozy with the HNIC during the election. Just because his people were suffering, that's no excuse to quit the political game and act like a human being. He should have continued to trash Obama, put up any roadblocks that he could to delay or prevent federal help, and then blamed the president for failing to act. THAT's how you make political hay out of a tragedy. Splash a few pictures of some starving, homeless children on the television and lament Obama's unwillingness to cooperate. This "trying to actually help people" bullshiat is a thing of the past. If Christie wants any help from the Republicans, he needs to wake the fark up and learn to play the game.
 
2013-01-02 09:32:04 AM

BlueDWarrior: well you gotta put them somewhere, and we've kinda already built the hell out of those areas... unless you are arguing for even more urban sprawl...


No need to build new anywhere...and the NYC metro has always been about building upward when building outward wasn't an option.

There are plenty of cities in the area with vacant housing...a ton of fixer-uppers, but spending a few hundred thousand to fix up an old Victorian is preferable to spending a few hundred thousand to rebuild a McBeachhouse in a danger zone.
 
2013-01-02 09:37:33 AM
Good

Gulper Eel: BlueDWarrior: well you gotta put them somewhere, and we've kinda already built the hell out of those areas... unless you are arguing for even more urban sprawl...

No need to build new anywhere...and the NYC metro has always been about building upward when building outward wasn't an option.

There are plenty of cities in the area with vacant housing...a ton of fixer-uppers, but spending a few hundred thousand to fix up an old Victorian is preferable to spending a few hundred thousand to rebuild a McBeachhouse in a danger zone.


Good, so let's use the HUD to get some of that housing and land off the market and rewrite the zoning laws to where you just simply cannot build on a beach/certain distance from a large enough body of water. Like I said, you can always write the rules a certain way.
 
2013-01-02 09:46:11 AM

BlueDWarrior: Good, so let's use the HUD to get some of that housing and land off the market and rewrite the zoning laws to where you just simply cannot build on a beach/certain distance from a large enough body of water. Like I said, you can always write the rules a certain way.


Additionally,  let the damn federal coastal flood insurance subsidy wither away through attrition.
 
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