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(Some Guy)   Link to a story in an Irish newspaper? That'll be €300, please, because they own the copyright to a link to their material. It'd take a lot of TotalFarkers to pay for that   (mcgarrsolicitors.ie) divider line 70
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2013-01-02 08:58:22 AM
There are a lot of ways to keep your information from being linked to on the web, but it starts with don't publish anything to the web.
 
2013-01-02 09:00:54 AM
"You know, I bet we'd really save on bandwidth costs if nobody ever came to our websites ever again."
 
2013-01-02 09:01:14 AM

Langston: There are a lot of ways to keep your information from being linked to on the web, but it starts with don't publish anything to the web.


Privacy settings? Don't type anything private.
 
2013-01-02 09:01:50 AM

FoxKelfonne: "You know, I bet we'd really save on bandwidth costs if nobody ever came to our websites ever again."


If it weren't for the customers, this job would be great.
 
2013-01-02 09:02:19 AM
Total Farkers don't pay for news links. They pay for their friends. They can't read Gaelic anyways.
 
2013-01-02 09:05:08 AM
I know this isn't new to Fark but have they really though it through. You have a product, you want people to use your product you threaten to sue/charge people who let others know about your product. Whats next Coke suing supermarkets for putting up a Coke display because only Coke owns the logo.
 
2013-01-02 09:08:56 AM
Only the farking Irish..
 
2013-01-02 09:09:02 AM
The article is about "you" criminal, hero, witness, Newspapers write a article about you. Newspaper charges a fee to read the article, does this mean the person(s) in the article are entitled to compensation from the newspapers?
 
2013-01-02 09:09:19 AM
Hmmm...lets see.
1. charge people a huge amount to link to your articles.
2. Watch the webhits on your paper go down to nil.
3. Lose all your advertisers.
4. find a new job.
 
2013-01-02 09:11:22 AM
Goddamned drunken Micks.
 
2013-01-02 09:11:45 AM
I'm going to get a law degree and start representing authors. These places called Libraries have been linking to their works for years. I'll make a FORTUNE!

\Finally my lottery ticket has come in!
 
2013-01-02 09:12:31 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-02 09:12:45 AM
So, we are back to this now?

i1180.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-02 09:19:16 AM
Gah, those f*ckwits are at the whisky again.
 
2013-01-02 09:20:23 AM
How about no? Does no work for you?
 
2013-01-02 09:29:11 AM
This would be laughable if it weren't so sad.
 
2013-01-02 09:29:49 AM

vudukungfu: FoxKelfonne: "You know, I bet we'd really save on bandwidth costs if nobody ever came to our websites ever again."

If it weren't for the customers, this job would be great.


Now can you sum up the 2 biggest problems with public transportation?
 
2013-01-02 09:37:17 AM
What's next? Demanding a dollar every time anyone tells another person about your paper?

Maybe charge ten bucks if you see their paper in a news stand. And Lord help you if you touch it.
 
2013-01-02 09:43:47 AM
In 2011, a crack legal team was nearly sent to prison by a civilian court for crimes they did commit. These men promptly escaped from a minimum security intranet to the Irish IP block. Today, not wanted by anyone in particular, they survive by billing themselves for reviewing their own bankruptcy filings. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... RightHaven.
 
2013-01-02 09:57:38 AM
pfffft. The Irish.

/the earth's one true mud people
 
2013-01-02 09:58:31 AM

Nana's Vibrator: Total Farkers don't pay for news links. They pay for their friends. They can't read Gaelic anyways.


That's what us dirty liters are for ;-)

/Not paying for my friends, thanks
//That extra $5 earns me an extra drink ... a month
///Drop in the proverbial bucket?
 
2013-01-02 10:03:41 AM
It looks like somebody's been spiking the Irish Car Bombs with shrooms. Why just links, they have copyrights on the newspapers names, why not charge anybody that prints the name of the newspaper anywhere and fair use be damned.
 
2013-01-02 10:05:01 AM
300 pounds?

sounds like just one tfer
 
2013-01-02 10:11:22 AM
www.comics101.com
"How about nooothiiing; zero, zip, zilch, ... my personal check for bupkis, drawn on the First National Bank of Squidoo"
 
2013-01-02 10:16:36 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: Hmmm...lets see.
1. charge people a huge amount to link to your articles.
2. Watch the webhits on your paper go down to nil.
3. Lose all your advertisers.
4. find a new job.


I just wish we could go faster to step 3, personally.
 
2013-01-02 10:19:08 AM
Print
Is
Dead


This was prophesized last century :/
 
2013-01-02 10:19:20 AM
Well i hope the papers are ready to pay the same for links they post. Some how i think they will trot out the public good and fair use arguement for that.
 
2013-01-02 10:19:42 AM

Keigh: 300 pounds?

sounds like just one tfer


Doesn't work as well when the amounts quoted in TFA are in Euros.
 
2013-01-02 10:20:28 AM
I wonder if they also believe that they need to pay a licensing fee to any sites they link to in their articles. Reference Wikipedia? Better be paying them. Dictionary.com? Have a license for that? I see this as much more likely to backfire if they ever actually got their wish, since it would only apply to Ireland, all the Irish newspapers would have to pay for their off-site links... and everyone else would just stop linking to Irish newspaper sites.
 
2013-01-02 10:21:29 AM
I'd seen a couple of headlines about this and has assumed that Independent News and Media (who own about half the papers on that list) were being their usual charming, moneygrubbing selves. I'm now faced with the prospect that either someone at the NNI has gone a bit power mad, or the entire newspaper industry in my country has no farking idea how Internet communication works.

/eh, most of our news would bore you to tears anyway
//I'll be over here sobbing quietly in a corner
 
2013-01-02 10:24:26 AM

ginandbacon: This would be laughable if it weren't so sad.


I do find it sort of ironic that I'll probably never go green again.
 
2013-01-02 10:37:06 AM
Just too lazy to filnd and put all those newspapers IP addresses in a redirect file to the Guinness web site. Or to a picture of sheep.  Or Lucky Charms™.
 
2013-01-02 10:39:34 AM

miscreant: I wonder if they also believe that they need to pay a licensing fee to any sites they link to in their articles. Reference Wikipedia? Better be paying them. Dictionary.com? Have a license for that? I see this as much more likely to backfire if they ever actually got their wish, since it would only apply to Ireland, all the Irish newspapers would have to pay for their off-site links... and everyone else would just stop linking to Irish newspaper sites.


They would probably say if people want to allow others to link to their sites for free, that is their right as a copyright holder, just as it is their right to charge.

However, I can also see a problem with their little attempt at a scam.

I'm pretty certain that you cannot copyright an IP address. Thus...

Irish Times Web Site URL: http://www.irishtimes.com
IP Address: http://195.7.33.37

http://195.7.33.37/newspaper/breaking/2013/0102/breaking5.html
 
2013-01-02 10:42:23 AM
The article does't say it's been tested in any court of law.
Firts argument I'd present is:
How is a link any different than saying "a related article can be seen in the Irish Times, page 3"?
 
2013-01-02 10:44:54 AM

AugieDoggyDaddy: The article does't say it's been tested in any court of law.
Firts argument I'd present is:
How is a link any different than saying "a related article can be seen in the Irish Times, page 3"?


"a related article can be seen in the Irish Times, page 3" is a statement of fact

'www.irishtimes.com' is a URL owned by The Irish Times
 
2013-01-02 10:45:37 AM
Pat and Mike, walking along Broadway, when the paywall fell.
 
2013-01-02 10:51:37 AM
That's the associated press.. write thousands of worthless stories each day and charge a little for each.
 
HSA
2013-01-02 10:52:48 AM
How is this any different than the software and music industry financially strong arming websites that post links to their copyrighted material?
 
2013-01-02 10:58:02 AM

hdhale: AugieDoggyDaddy: The article does't say it's been tested in any court of law.
Firts argument I'd present is:
How is a link any different than saying "a related article can be seen in the Irish Times, page 3"?

"a related article can be seen in the Irish Times, page 3" is a statement of fact

'www.irishtimes.com' is a URL owned by The Irish Times


Except they don't work that way. Seriously, it's a name, not a copyrightable work. DNS names (and by extension, URLs) don't fall under copyright law, but under trademark law. They're going to have some fun with this, but the first time anyone decides to take them to court instead of paying the fee it's going to be Lulz central.

Of course the Internet could just implement the IDP (Internet Death Penalty) and do what they ask and not link to them. After the search engines stop sending them traffic and their advertising revenue does to zero, maybe they'll think again. This of course is the easier solution, since it's a entry in a database and doesn't involve expensive, redundant individuals like lawyers and judges.
 
2013-01-02 11:07:04 AM

A Shambling Mound: In 2011, a crack legal team was nearly sent to prison by a civilian court for crimes they did commit. These men promptly escaped from a minimum security intranet to the Irish IP block. Today, not wanted by anyone in particular, they survive by billing themselves for reviewing their own bankruptcy filings. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... RightHaven.


"If you talk about us, we own yo' jibber jabber, foo!"
 
2013-01-02 11:08:56 AM
So would have you have to pay 300 euros for each book you have in your browser to an irish newspaper site, after all that is just an http link. Would a company be liable for all the bookmarks/favorites on the workstations that it owns?

Lets see how demanding link payment from a large aggregator turned out....

The Times tried to opt out of appearing on Google searches for a while, before reversing its decision after losing between 30 and 40 percent of its daily traffic.

Seems to me they don't get this whole net thing. If you want ad revenue, the entire point is to drive more people to your site. Maybe they'll get onto Facebook next for people posting stories there and then make sure nobody shares a story again!
 
2013-01-02 11:10:34 AM
Farking maginternets, how do they work?
 
2013-01-02 11:13:21 AM

Isildur: A Shambling Mound: In 2011, a crack legal team was nearly sent to prison by a civilian court for crimes they did commit. These men promptly escaped from a minimum security intranet to the Irish IP block. Today, not wanted by anyone in particular, they survive by billing themselves for reviewing their own bankruptcy filings. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... RightHaven.

"If you talk about us, we own yo' jibber jabber, foo!"


I love it when a course of action that will in no way have the desired outcomes we anticipage and dedicated to protect a dying medium from change comes together!
 
2013-01-02 11:14:16 AM

MadHatter500: hdhale: AugieDoggyDaddy: The article does't say it's been tested in any court of law.
Firts argument I'd present is:
How is a link any different than saying "a related article can be seen in the Irish Times, page 3"?

"a related article can be seen in the Irish Times, page 3" is a statement of fact

'www.irishtimes.com' is a URL owned by The Irish Times

Except they don't work that way. Seriously, it's a name, not a copyrightable work. DNS names (and by extension, URLs) don't fall under copyright law, but under trademark law. They're going to have some fun with this, but the first time anyone decides to take them to court instead of paying the fee it's going to be Lulz central.

Of course the Internet could just implement the IDP (Internet Death Penalty) and do what they ask and not link to them. After the search engines stop sending them traffic and their advertising revenue does to zero, maybe they'll think again. This of course is the easier solution, since it's a entry in a database and doesn't involve expensive, redundant individuals like lawyers and judges.


Did some checking and this proved enlightening: Link

I'm not of course a lawyer in Ireland and their copyright laws may vary from those above for the US...though if what they are doing is considered a brilliant idea in Ireland, I see a future for me sitting on the Irish supreme court.
 
2013-01-02 11:17:18 AM

hdhale: Did some checking and this proved enlightening: Link


How do I protect my sighting of Elvis?
Copyright law does not protect sightings.

i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-02 11:22:37 AM
Newspapers are dead. Time to nail their coffins shut.
 
2013-01-02 11:23:00 AM

hdhale:
I'm not of course a lawyer in Ireland and their copyright laws may vary from those above for the US...though if what they are doing is considered a brilliant idea in Ireland, I see a future for me sitting on the Irish supreme court.


Put it this way. The article linked is from a firm of lawyers saying "that is the stupidest reason for charging people money we've ever heard!"

So no, it's not considered a brilliant idea. Just a huge embarrassment.
 
2013-01-02 11:28:01 AM

wingnut396: Seems to me they don't get this whole net thing.


INDEED SEEMS LIKE IDEA OF SOME AGED NWSPPR MAGNATE WHO HAS HIS SEC SEND OFF HIS EMAILS FORMATTED LIKE THIS STOP BUT THATS OK THIS WHOLE INTERNET VOGUE IS PROBABLY JUST FAD ANYWAY STOP
 
2013-01-02 11:28:45 AM
Publisher? You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for the web hosting service, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.
 
2013-01-02 11:36:46 AM

Isildur: wingnut396: Seems to me they don't get this whole net thing.

INDEED SEEMS LIKE IDEA OF SOME AGED NWSPPR MAGNATE WHO HAS HIS SEC SEND OFF HIS EMAILS FORMATTED LIKE THIS STOP BUT THATS OK THIS WHOLE INTERNET VOGUE IS PROBABLY JUST FAD ANYWAY STOP


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