I always thought he said "One giant step for Neil Armstrong and the hell with everybody else."

//Carson fan

natas6.0: ug..dr who..really?
I've tried watching the show through the years and different guys playing the character

The character "Dr. Who" has only been played by one guy: Peter Cushing.

The All-Powerful Atheismo: jack21221: Allow me to be the first to say "I don't get it."

It's a reference to some overrated sci-fi show

Dr Who?

poot_rootbeer: natas6.0: ug..dr who..really?
I've tried watching the show through the years and different guys playing the character

The character "Dr. Who" has only been played by one guy: Peter Cushing.

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If I were Neil Armstrong, my last words on my deathbed would have been "We were't the first" just because I could

I don't understand the Dr. Who hate, if you don't like it don't watch it. Better yet, feel free to list a better American alternative that is currently on the air. Nothing you say? At all? Unless you think reality tv is so much better.

Came for THIS, leaving very disappointed..

"Don't fark this up Neil.. 'I'm a small man..with a giant.. assshhh'"

Oh it's all sticky!

farkin' hell, I've been in that spacecraft.. right. I need a piss.

I have a question, I'm late to the party and just started watching. Will I ever accept David Tennant as the Doctor?

I really liked Christopher Eccleston in the role and I don't have the interest in Series 2 that I had in Series 1.

Farking allah!

ANOTHER Dr. Who quote?

Mohammed farking a donkey! Don't you people have jobs/lives/girlfriends to occupy a little more of your time?

PluckYew: I have a question, I'm late to the party and just started watching. Will I ever accept David Tennant as the Doctor?

I really liked Christopher Eccleston in the role and I don't have the interest in Series 2 that I had in Series 1.

David Tennant is an acquired taste, I never cared for him and watched few episodes of his reign as the Doctor. Eccleston and Matt Smith are my favorites of the rebooted series, not that there is much to choose from there.

douchebag/hater: Farking allah!

ANOTHER Dr. Who quote?

Mohammed farking a donkey! Don't you people have jobs/lives/girlfriends to occupy a little more of your time?

I suppose you're on Fark for the intellectual conversations eh?

taurusowner: Can we stop pretending "Doctor Who" is or ever was a good show? You're not more sophisticated or smarter for liking some hack British sci-fi show.

\Doctor Who fans are sci-fi hipsters

I've been watching Dr Who for over 40 years, finally I am a hipster -sooo cool, my kids will be so pleased when I turn up at their school in skinny jeans this week!

Lord Poseidon!

Come Thou to the defense of Your friend!

Carousel Beast: dennerman: dammit, i have a type in there. It should read "are also infuriated when things they like aren't loved by everyone".

Actually, you are correct both ways. It's amazing how people will turn on something they love when it becomes "too popular."

Even if one doesn't actually feel an impulse to turn on it, there can still be a somewhat irrational resentment of -- or at least unease with --the new influx of fans, a sort of feeling of losing (what at least felt a bit like) a more private world shared with a smaller number of hardcore fans. I confess I've sometimes had to catch myself feeling a bit this way about Tolkien, for example.

Such fan protectiveness about a work (well, not protecting the work, really, but rather one's own imagined claim to it) is somewhat silly, I freely admit, because such popularity should be welcomed as fortunate and appropriate* appreciation for great works, and anybody newly introduced to it is every bit as entitled to enjoy it as anyone who knew it earlier.

The discomfort may contribute in some extreme case to what you describe -- the hipster stereotype of loss of interest in (or even derision of) something once it becomes too "mainstream"... a word which can actually mean a few things, really... A band, say, might be perceived (rightly or wrongly) as becoming less adventurous or creative as they become more popular and feel pressure to either deliver more of the same or to tone down their more unique sounds. (Although one can argue that some artists have gotten more adventurous the more popular they got.) Alternatively there may be absurdly little case to be made that the works have gotten any worse (e.g. a static corpus of work from a deceased or retired author) and the declaration that it's "too mainstream now" may simply reflect that a previous fan mostly craved being a fan of the obscure. Which is easy to mock, particularly if someone's interest in something is plainly an affectation, a devotion completely or almost entirely feigned for the sake of parading how obscure their interests are.

...and yet... I can sympathise to some degree with someone feeling a sense of a loss about no longer getting to feel like they have as much of a special appreciation for something. Most of us have skills, hobbies, interests, and what-have-you that we use to help define ourselves. To some extent almost everybody wants to be a special little snowflake in some manner (even many of the people who love to use that term derisively for coddled people). It seems like a pretty basic human trait (even many rather boring people, even in the most conformist societies, probably get some twinge of satisfaction if they're distinctively good at something or noticeable in some way they consider positive) and if a hobby or interest suddenly becomes the norm, it can be disconcerting.

It seems pretty dumb and self-defeating to renounce appreciation of a work simply because growth in its popularity, however. Sorta cutting off your nose to spite your face, really.

/*albeit less so in the case of horrid fanfics...
//and yes, I know Tolkien wasn't obscure during the last few decades within certain geek, nerd, and hippie subcultures, but that's not the point.
///subby

douchebag/hater: Farking allah!

ANOTHER Dr. Who quote?

Mohammed farking a donkey! Don't you people have jobs/lives/girlfriends to occupy a little more of your time?

Sometimes a username is just too apt.

/thanks to the slash, it conveniently works even if you're just trolling, which I suspect several of the supposed haters in the thread are

bbfreak: PluckYew: I have a question, I'm late to the party and just started watching. Will I ever accept David Tennant as the Doctor?

I really liked Christopher Eccleston in the role and I don't have the interest in Series 2 that I had in Series 1.

David Tennant is an acquired taste, I never cared for him and watched few episodes of his reign as the Doctor. Eccleston and Matt Smith are my favorites of the rebooted series, not that there is much to choose from there.

All three of the newer guys have their good and bad points. It's what makes the show interesting to watch. Tennant was a great physical actor, and the drawn-out departure slowed the pace down and "humanized" the part really well. It left the door open for Smith to be a more distant and angry, yet comically ADHD/Asperger character in order to change things up a bit.

Smith's goofy face, beady eyes and nearly-missing eyebrows still annoy me. But his acting and the stories are fun.

Am I the only one who learned this about Armstrong's Moon Landing words like... decades ago?

Also, +1 subby, that was awesome.

taurusowner: Can we stop pretending "Doctor Who" is or ever was a good show? You're not more sophisticated or smarter for liking some hack British sci-fi show.

\Doctor Who fans are sci-fi hipsters

Taurus owners are mentally retarded douchebags.

/That feels much better.

I'll just leave this here....

"They could not have been more offended, confused, enraged and startled. . . . There was a moment of stunned silence . . . and then an eruption of angry voices from all over the fifteen-hundred-person audience. The kids in their Luke Skywalker pajamas (cobbled up from older brother's castoff karate gi) and the retarded adults spot-welded into their Darth Vader fright-masks howled with fury. But I stood my ground, there on the lecture platform of the World Science Fiction Convention, and I repeated the words that had sent them into animal hysterics:

'Star Wars is adolescent nonsense; Close Encounters is obscurantist drivel; Star Trek can turn your brains to purée of bat guano; and the greatest science fiction series of all time is Doctor Who! And I'll take you all on, one-by-one or in a bunch to back it up!'"

--Harlan Ellison"

Lots of nice folks: +1

Thank you all =)

ObscureNameHere: I'll just leave this here....

"They could not have been more offended, confused, enraged and startled. . . . There was a moment of stunned silence . . . and then an eruption of angry voices from all over the fifteen-hundred-person audience. The kids in their Luke Skywalker pajamas (cobbled up from older brother's castoff karate gi) and the retarded adults spot-welded into their Darth Vader fright-masks howled with fury. But I stood my ground, there on the lecture platform of the World Science Fiction Convention, and I repeated the words that had sent them into animal hysterics:

'Star Wars is adolescent nonsense; Close Encounters is obscurantist drivel; Star Trek can turn your brains to purée of bat guano; and the greatest science fiction series of all time is Doctor Who! And I'll take you all on, one-by-one or in a bunch to back it up!'"

--Harlan Ellison"

Moffat has never screwed around with a Harlan story/idea, I take it.

fickenchucker: bbfreak: PluckYew: I have a question, I'm late to the party and just started watching. Will I ever accept David Tennant as the Doctor?

I really liked Christopher Eccleston in the role and I don't have the interest in Series 2 that I had in Series 1.

David Tennant is an acquired taste, I never cared for him and watched few episodes of his reign as the Doctor. Eccleston and Matt Smith are my favorites of the rebooted series, not that there is much to choose from there.

All three of the newer guys have their good and bad points. It's what makes the show interesting to watch. Tennant was a great physical actor, and the drawn-out departure slowed the pace down and "humanized" the part really well. It left the door open for Smith to be a more distant and angry, yet comically ADHD/Asperger character in order to change things up a bit.

Smith's goofy face, beady eyes and nearly-missing eyebrows still annoy me. But his acting and the stories are fun.

Thank you both for responding. I will carry on then.

It wasn't static, it was censored... That's one small step for gay man, one giant leap for mankind!

taurusowner: Can we stop pretending "Doctor Who" is or ever was a good show? You're not more sophisticated or smarter for liking some hack British sci-fi show.

\Doctor Who fans are sci-fi hipsters

For a counterpoint:

akula: Kittypie070: The single deed in modern times through which the entire human race was ennobled.

You summed up what it is I love about space exploration, and you did so eloquently. I love space exploration because we're pushing the boundaries, going forth, trying to achieve. While so many of us are biatching, moaning, causing pain, being greedy, oppressing, and all the other bullshiat that comes with living in this crapsack world, when we go forth to explore we accomplish something worthwhile that will stand as long as humanity endures.

Man MUST explore.

Reach out, learn, test himself against all that creation can throw at him.

Some will be brave, and they will go out there, and run terrible risks.

And they will return with treasures in their hands. Not gold, not yet, but knowlege.

Knowlege goes everywhere. It's shared.

It...spreads, it gets used in ways the explorers never imagined, and they have a doubled reward.

Just knowing that mankind is able to call forth the very strongest and best part of his nature for an endeavour that has sprung from warfare, but is not itself war and is forbidden to bear weapons in anger, and that additionally benefits ALL mankind...is enough to put light in the eyes of even small meek people and to put steel in their backs and to give them a good reason to look within themselves and find out that they can also walk with pride.

Pride in being human.

Isildur: Carousel Beast: dennerman: dammit, i have a type in there. It should read "are also infuriated when things they like aren't loved by everyone".

Actually, you are correct both ways. It's amazing how people will turn on something they love when it becomes "too popular."

Even if one doesn't actually feel an impulse to turn on it, there can still be a somewhat irrational resentment of -- or at least unease with --the new influx of fans, a sort of feeling of losing (what at least felt a bit like) a more private world shared with a smaller number of hardcore fans. I confess I've sometimes had to catch myself feeling a bit this way about Tolkien, for example.

Such fan protectiveness about a work (well, not protecting the work, really, but rather one's own imagined claim to it) is somewhat silly, I freely admit, because such popularity should be welcomed as fortunate and appropriate* appreciation for great works, and anybody newly introduced to it is every bit as entitled to enjoy it as anyone who knew it earlier.

The discomfort may contribute in some extreme case to what you describe -- the hipster stereotype of loss of interest in (or even derision of) something once it becomes too "mainstream"... a word which can actually mean a few things, really... A band, say, might be perceived (rightly or wrongly) as becoming less adventurous or creative as they become more popular and feel pressure to either deliver more of the same or to tone down their more unique sounds. (Although one can argue that some artists have gotten more adventurous the more popular they got.) Alternatively there may be absurdly little case to be made that the works have gotten any worse (e.g. a static corpus of work from a deceased or retired author) and the declaration that it's "too mainstream now" may simply reflect that a previous fan mostly craved being a fan of the obscure. Which is easy to mock, particularly if someone's interest in something is plainly an affectation, a devotion completely
...
...
It seems pretty dumb and self-defeating to renounce appreciation of a work simply because growth in its popularity, however. Sorta cutting off your nose to spite your face, really.

When you don't protect your favorite shows and movies, you end up with Jar Jar Binks...

Teufelaffe: ObscureNameHere: I'll just leave this here....

"They could not have been more offended, confused, enraged and startled. . . . There was a moment of stunned silence . . . and then an eruption of angry voices from all over the fifteen-hundred-person audience. The kids in their Luke Skywalker pajamas (cobbled up from older brother's castoff karate gi) and the retarded adults spot-welded into their Darth Vader fright-masks howled with fury. But I stood my ground, there on the lecture platform of the World Science Fiction Convention, and I repeated the words that had sent them into animal hysterics:

'Star Wars is adolescent nonsense; Close Encounters is obscurantist drivel; Star Trek can turn your brains to purée of bat guano; and the greatest science fiction series of all time is Doctor Who! And I'll take you all on, one-by-one or in a bunch to back it up!'"

--Harlan Ellison"

Ellison has always been a dick. We should probably use his picture for the "Stop liking what I don't like" meme instead of that chess kid.


He's done brilliant stuff, but he also liked to troll long before that was a term for it.

/I just wish that was the only way he's, er, rubbed people wrong. *cough*

And if that goddamned Harlan Ellison f*cking dies on me before he finishes Last Dangerous Visions
I'm gonna take a giant soggy asparagus pee all over his grave!

That crazy son of a biatch!
:p

OtherLittleGuy: 'Star Wars is adolescent nonsense; Close Encounters is obscurantist drivel; Star Trek can turn your brains to purée of bat guano; and the greatest science fiction series of all time is Doctor Who! And I'll take you all on, one-by-one or in a bunch to back it up!'"

--Harlan Ellison"

Moffat has never screwed around with a Harlan story/idea, I take it.

Dr. Who has never had a sufficiently intelligible plot for Ellison to claim it was ripped of from him.

\Ellison once claimed he wrote the Saga of Roland.

stonicus: When you don't protect your favorite shows and movies, you end up with Jar Jar Binks...

There was no way for a fan to really protect against that ahead of time, as far as I can see;it wasn't something that any amount of scorn for later fans would have avoided.

I'm a little confused... Perhaps we're talking about slightly different things.

Titanius Anglesmith: Kittypie070: akula: Kittypie070: The single deed in modern times through which the entire human race was ennobled.

You summed up what it is I love about space exploration, and you did so eloquently. I love space exploration because we're pushing the boundaries, going forth, trying to achieve. While so many of us are biatching, moaning, causing pain, being greedy, oppressing, and all the other bullshiat that comes with living in this crapsack world, when we go forth to explore we accomplish something worthwhile that will stand as long as humanity endures.

Man MUST explore.

Reach out, learn, test himself against all that creation can throw at him.

Some will be brave, and they will go out there, and run terrible risks.

And they will return with treasures in their hands. Not gold, not yet, but knowlege.

Knowlege goes everywhere. It's shared.

It...spreads, it gets used in ways the explorers never imagined, and they have a doubled reward.

Just knowing that mankind is able to call forth the very strongest and best part of his nature for an endeavour that has sprung from warfare, but is not itself war and is forbidden to bear weapons in anger, and that additionally benefits ALL mankind...is enough to put light in the eyes of even small meek people and to put steel in their backs and to give them a good reason to look within themselves and find out that they can also walk with pride.

Pride in being human.

Risk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toG6aSQFF7Y

Ahhhhh. Vittu joo, saatana :D

I must have been channeling my inner Kirk :P

Titanius Anglesmith: Kittypie070: akula: Kittypie070: The single deed in modern times through which the entire human race was ennobled.

You summed up what it is I love about space exploration, and you did so eloquently. I love space exploration because we're pushing the boundaries, going forth, trying to achieve. While so many of us are biatching, moaning, causing pain, being greedy, oppressing, and all the other bullshiat that comes with living in this crapsack world, when we go forth to explore we accomplish something worthwhile that will stand as long as humanity endures.

Man MUST explore.

Reach out, learn, test himself against all that creation can throw at him.

Some will be brave, and they will go out there, and run terrible risks.

And they will return with treasures in their hands. Not gold, not yet, but knowlege.

Knowlege goes everywhere. It's shared.

It...spreads, it gets used in ways the explorers never imagined, and they have a doubled reward.

Just knowing that mankind is able to call forth the very strongest and best part of his nature for an endeavour that has sprung from warfare, but is not itself war and is forbidden to bear weapons in anger, and that additionally benefits ALL mankind...is enough to put light in the eyes of even small meek people and to put steel in their backs and to give them a good reason to look within themselves and find out that they can also walk with pride.

Pride in being human.

Risk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toG6aSQFF7Y

VITTU JOO, SAATANA!!!!! :D

_{/Man Lands On F*ckin' Moon! Hell yeah!! Hell Yeah!!}

DjangoStonereaver: Apparently, during the Davidson era JNT approached Ellison to write a script for DOCTOR WHO, but the
BBC couldn't afford him.

on a side note... apparently Douglas Adams wrote a storyline for Doctor Who that was never made... they recently published it , my son is a fan of the doctor and I got it for him for Christmas... along with a Tom Baker scarf (all 12 feet of it).