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(Sportige)   Want more proof regarding to the quality of the young quarterbacks in the NFL? Six of the 12 starting QBs in the playoffs are rookies or sophomores, three more are under 30. Meanwhile, Peyton and Brady aren't going anywhere   (sportige.com) divider line 99
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2013-01-02 09:15:29 AM
Peyton's not going anywhere because he has home field advantage.

Although it's not the advantage it used to be, what with all the 6 seeds making the Super Bowl recently.
 
2013-01-02 09:19:19 AM
Or it's because the league rules make being a QB easier, therefore younger QBs are more productive. Just remember, Mark Sanchez got to two AFC championship games.
 
2013-01-02 09:20:12 AM
But, Andy Dalton sucks. So throw one sophomore out.
 
2013-01-02 09:20:55 AM
Want more proof regarding to the literacy level of Fark Submitters?

Seriously Subby, you are only a small step above "Caught sayof". Go back to school. Pay attention.
 
2013-01-02 09:27:45 AM

The Muthaship: But, Andy Dalton sucks. So throw one sophomore out.


You mispelled "Christian Ponder".

/I am willing to be proved wrong Christian
//get to work on that
///you started last week
 
2013-01-02 09:30:21 AM

Outrageous Muff: Or it's because the league rules make being a QB easier, therefore younger QBs are more productive. Just remember, Mark Sanchez got to two AFC championship games.


Agreed. The rule changes all but nullify defenses getting to the QB, and DB's just can't hit people anymore, or they'll be suspended, fined or both. It's a pass-centric league, and people are looking for high school basketball scores in the NFL.

I will say that there are some exceptional rookie & sophomore QB's this year, but they wouldn't be nearly as productive if the rule changes didn't exist. They all would've been eaten alive just a few years ago. And anyone who thinks that Brady & Manning will be taking snaps for another 5 years is either insane or just plain stupid. That torn ACL and broken neck will catch up with them sooner rather than later, pro athlete or not.
 
2013-01-02 09:35:14 AM

qsblues: I will say that there are some exceptional rookie & sophomore QB's this year, but they wouldn't be nearly as productive if the rule changes didn't exist.


But it's a level playing field for all QBs.  The rules don't favor rookies QB's over somebody like Romo, do they?
 
2013-01-02 09:41:10 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: The Muthaship: But, Andy Dalton sucks. So throw one sophomore out.

You mispelled "Christian Ponder".



Thats a funny way of spelling Colin Kaepernick.

/But really all three sophomore QBs are average at their best.
 
2013-01-02 09:42:14 AM
Brady is a ho
 
2013-01-02 09:43:43 AM

CipollinaFan: Jim from Saint Paul: The Muthaship: But, Andy Dalton sucks. So throw one sophomore out.

You mispelled "Christian Ponder".

Thats a funny way of spelling Colin Kaepernick.

/But really all three sophomore QBs are average at their best.


Sophmore blues.

Almost every starting QB experiences it. A full years worth of tape on you for other teams to stop and disect usually means you suck for a while that second year. It's how the QB's respond by the end of that year that really tells you what you got long term.
 
2013-01-02 10:00:24 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: CipollinaFan: Jim from Saint Paul: The Muthaship: But, Andy Dalton sucks. So throw one sophomore out.

You mispelled "Christian Ponder".

Thats a funny way of spelling Colin Kaepernick.

/But really all three sophomore QBs are average at their best.

Sophmore blues.

Almost every starting QB experiences it. A full years worth of tape on you for other teams to stop and disect usually means you suck for a while that second year. It's how the QB's respond by the end of that year that really tells you what you got long term.


And then you have to ask yourself were Andy Dalton and Christian Ponder really that good last year. (Kaep does not count because he did not play last year so there is no tape on him.)
I guess Dalton was not terrible but I think that has more to do with A.J. Green then him.
 
2013-01-02 10:05:59 AM

lunchinlewis: qsblues: I will say that there are some exceptional rookie & sophomore QB's this year, but they wouldn't be nearly as productive if the rule changes didn't exist.

But it's a level playing field for all QBs.  The rules don't favor rookies QB's over somebody like Romo, do they?


Yeah, there's more going on here than just rule changes:

- Russel Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are benefiting from two of the better defenses and special teams squads in the league
- Indy has had a pretty easy schedule this year (wins: Minny, GB, Cleveland, Tenn x2, Miami, Jax, Buff, Det, KC, Houston), and Luck might just be one of the better NFL-ready prospects to come out in the past 20 years.
- RG3 has benefited from a Redskins team that lucked into 1600 yards of Alfred Morris, and had a lot of home games against well-known division rivals (all of whom were struggling to win games themselves) down the stretch. Let's remember this team was 3-6 before their bye.
- Ponder just got the second greatest rushing season in history from AP.
- Dalton has maybe the second or third best receiver in the league in AJ Green, and also has 6 wins against Cleveland, Jax, KC, Oak, SD, and Philly.

I'm not suggesting all of these QB's secretly suck, but I do think that we sometimes put too much importance on the position of QB with relation to wins. QB is the most important position in the NFL today, true, but good teams/easy schedules can also make a QB look a lot better than he might be when those factors regress back to the norm.
 
2013-01-02 10:09:32 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: Sophmore blues. Almost every starting QB experiences it.


This.  Rookies can be successful because they're unpredictable.  A full offseason to scout tendencies tends to wipe out that advantage.  The good ones adjust -- constantly.  Many players wash out not for a lack of talent, but an inability to grasp this concept.  When their one trick stops working, they've got nothing left.

That aside, I was going to mention that the NFL was due for a crop of good young QBs.  It was a pretty long stretch of drafts without QB talent.  Some of that was the spread n' shred taking over college football (the NFL's glorified minor league), but now the scheme is mature.  Defense have figured it out, so offenses are evolving into various hybrid schemes, some of which require QBs that can make reads and throw accurately.
 
2013-01-02 10:10:53 AM

jayhawk88: 6 wins against Cleveland, Jax, KC, Oak, SD, and Philly.


5. They split with Cleveland.
 
2013-01-02 10:11:33 AM
Conversely, conventional wisdom is that none of the quarterbacks in the upcoming draft is expected to be a star.

So it seems that the facts support the theory that this year's quarterback class (and, to a lesser degree, last year's) is exceptional rather than the theory that rule changes have made it easier to excel as a QB. As lunchinlewis pointed out, the rules don't favor rookies particularly. (Also, somebody should ask Tony Romo whether he felt "over protected" when London Fletcher broke his ribs on a sack.)
 
2013-01-02 10:12:29 AM
Sorry. Can't count. 6 is right.
 
2013-01-02 10:13:12 AM

The Muthaship: But, Andy Dalton sucks. So throw one sophomore out.


Anyone who owned him in fantasy football this year knows that to not be the case.  He was actually in the top ten for a lot of the year.

\doesn't hurt that he has Green and Lawfirm on said offense
 
2013-01-02 10:18:24 AM

czetie: Conversely, conventional wisdom is that none of the quarterbacks in the upcoming draft is expected to be a star.

So it seems that the facts support the theory that this year's quarterback class (and, to a lesser degree, last year's) is exceptional rather than the theory that rule changes have made it easier to excel as a QB. As lunchinlewis pointed out, the rules don't favor rookies particularly. (Also, somebody should ask Tony Romo whether he felt "over protected" when London Fletcher broke his ribs on a sack.)


Even though there isn't an RG3 or Luck in the next draft, I'm sure there are still great QBs to draft. Wilson didn't go til the 3rd round (IIRC) and Cousins (who I think is quite capable) didn't go til the 6th. I think I'm adding to your argument that last year was truly an oddity, but that some team out there could still make out like a bandits on an undervalued QB. Said QBs wouldn't be pressured to start right away either, which I think is detrimental to some careers.
 
2013-01-02 10:20:05 AM

FriarReb98: The Muthaship: But, Andy Dalton sucks. So throw one sophomore out.

Anyone who owned him in fantasy football this year knows that to not be the case.  He was actually in the top ten for a lot of the year.

\doesn't hurt that he has Green and Lawfirm on said offense


He was on fire the first half but has really tapered off stats wise. Could be a schedule thing though.
 
2013-01-02 10:21:40 AM

jayhawk88: - Russel Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are benefiting from two of the better defenses and special teams squads in the league
- Indy has had a pretty easy schedule this year (wins: Minny, GB, Cleveland, Tenn x2, Miami, Jax, Buff, Det, KC, Houston), and Luck might just be one of the better NFL-ready prospects to come out in the past 20 years.
- RG3 has benefited from a Redskins team that lucked into 1600 yards of Alfred Morris, and had a lot of home games against well-known division rivals (all of whom were struggling to win games themselves) down the stretch. Let's remember this team was 3-6 before their bye.
- Ponder just got the second greatest rushing season in history from AP.
- Dalton has maybe the second or third best receiver in the league in AJ Green, and also has 6 wins against Cleveland, Jax, KC, Oak, SD, and Philly.


All of this is true, and it's a better list of factors than just "rule changes favor the offense".

But I still think you can't deny the young QB talent, although I'd limit it to just the current top three rookies.  They are all really good and running different offenses.
 
2013-01-02 10:25:19 AM
Anyone notice that Christian Ponder looks a lot like Kurt Warner? Kurt Warner being a well known Christian. I'd wager that if he had blonde hair and his name was Jew Ponder he never would've been drafted. I wonder what his wife's feelings are about excessive mascara.
 
2013-01-02 10:28:59 AM

lunchinlewis: But I still think you can't deny the young QB talent, although I'd limit it to just the current top three rookies.  They are all really good and running different offenses.


Oh absolutely. And I do think the NFL rule changes favoring QB's has had an effect as well. I also think that overall, the college game is closer to the NFL game as far as schemes and such than it's ever been as well.

You combine this with the fact that Top 5 contracts for draft picks are now relatively under control under the new CBA....how anyone can say with a straight face that Geno Smith won't be the #1 overall to someone, and there won't be at least 3 QB's taken in the Top 10, I can't figure out. Teams have been talking themselves into reaching for QB's for the past 15 years already, they've got no reason to stop doing so now.
 
2013-01-02 10:31:58 AM
Here's something worth taking from this data set, for the junior achievers in the NFL: if you're f*cked up, sit out. Manning and Brady could have tried to "tough out" their serious health problems and shortened their careers, but they took a season off each and got well. Not "good enough to hobble out there, throw a few touchdowns and get my skull caved in three weeks from now" but actually fit for duty.

For a counterpoint, see Vick, Michael. With the Birds' offensive line, he may as well have been jumping directly out of bed in the morning, through a window and landing on the pavement 15 feet below for all the good it did his torn-up body.
 
2013-01-02 10:37:27 AM

factoryconnection: Here's something worth taking from this data set, for the junior achievers in the NFL: if you're f*cked up, sit out. Manning and Brady could have tried to "tough out" their serious health problems and shortened their careers, but they took a season off each and got well. Not "good enough to hobble out there, throw a few touchdowns and get my skull caved in three weeks from now" but actually fit for duty.

For a counterpoint, see Vick, Michael. With the Birds' offensive line, he may as well have been jumping directly out of bed in the morning, through a window and landing on the pavement 15 feet below for all the good it did his torn-up body.


Having confusion here... sit out like Smith? Brady and Manning's injuries were truly ones you literally can't play through. You can technically play on a torn ACL but it would literally take a month and a half for swelling to go down and you leg would only be half as strong. Vick's injuries were concussions and violently injured ribs. You can play after a concussion or a week to however long until your certified if they notice. You can play through rib injuries pending severity.
 
2013-01-02 10:46:16 AM

jayhawk88: lunchinlewis: qsblues: I will say that there are some exceptional rookie & sophomore QB's this year, but they wouldn't be nearly as productive if the rule changes didn't exist.

But it's a level playing field for all QBs.  The rules don't favor rookies QB's over somebody like Romo, do they?

Yeah, there's more going on here than just rule changes:

[snip]
- Ponder just got the second greatest rushing season in history from AP.


I would argue he just got the greatest rushing season in history. AP missed the yardage record by 9 yards, but his YPC was 6.0 vs 5.4 for Dickerson. AP had 31 less carries!
 
2013-01-02 11:01:56 AM

qsblues: Outrageous Muff: Or it's because the league rules make being a QB easier, therefore younger QBs are more productive. Just remember, Mark Sanchez got to two AFC championship games.

Agreed. The rule changes all but nullify defenses getting to the QB, and DB's just can't hit people anymore, or they'll be suspended, fined or both. It's a pass-centric league, and people are looking for high school basketball scores in the NFL.

I will say that there are some exceptional rookie & sophomore QB's this year, but they wouldn't be nearly as productive if the rule changes didn't exist. They all would've been eaten alive just a few years ago. And anyone who thinks that Brady & Manning will be taking snaps for another 5 years is either insane or just plain stupid. That torn ACL and broken neck will catch up with them sooner rather than later, pro athlete or not.


Manning and Brady will we playing for another 4 years. Manning's neck is just as strong as it was pre-surgery. Actually it was never really the issue. The issue was arm strength in his triceps. If Brady's knee is going to be destroying him in 4 years, I wonder why it didn't happen to the plethora of players who fully recover from ACL surgery and play for 5+ or 10+ years after the fact. If Manning or Brady are done physically in 4 years, it'll be because they are 40 and not because they got hurt in 2008 and 2011.
 
2013-01-02 11:13:16 AM

SkittlesAreYum: I would argue he just got the greatest rushing season in history. AP missed the yardage record by 9 yards, but his YPC was 6.0 vs 5.4 for Dickerson. AP had 31 less carries!


Potentially interesting stats in favor of AP's being better: In '84 teams collectively rushed for 123.9 yards per game, at a 4.0 yards/attempt clip. In '12 they rushed for 115.9 y/g, but at a 4.3 y/a clip. Despite there being 4 fewer teams, total '84 rushes was 13,811, trailing the '12 total of 13,925 by only 114 attempts.

Potentially interesting stats in favor of  Dickerson: The '84 Rams got a combined 10-6 record out of Jeff Kemp (9-4) and Vince Ferragamo (1-2), who collectively were 172-350 attempts (49%), for 2338 yards, 15 TD's, and 15 INT's. Ponder this year was 300-483 (62%) for 2935 yards, 18 TD's and 12 INT's. We make jokes about teams putting 9 in the box to stop AP, but that's a pretty shocking disparity at QB in favor of Ponder, isn't it?
 
2013-01-02 11:26:35 AM

Champion of the Sun: Anyone notice that Christian Ponder looks a lot like Kurt Warner? Kurt Warner being a well known Christian. I'd wager that if he had blonde hair and his name was Jew Ponder he never would've been drafted. I wonder what his wife's feelings are about excessive mascara.


if his name was Muslim Ponder he could do a longest yard remake in Gitmo ;)
 
2013-01-02 11:29:11 AM
jayhawk88Potentially interesting stats in favor of Dickerson: The '84 Rams got a combined 10-6 record out of Jeff Kemp (9-4) and Vince Ferragamo (1-2), who collectively were 172-350 attempts (49%), for 2338 yards, 15 TD's, and 15 INT's. Ponder this year was 300-483 (62%) for 2935 yards, 18 TD's and 12 INT's. We make jokes about teams putting 9 in the box to stop AP, but that's a pretty shocking disparity at QB in favor of Ponder, isn't it?Yeah, but it's more of a passing league now than its ever been before. Redo all of those statistics in terms of standard deviations from the league average that year (kind of like how they do ERA+ in baseball to compare pitchers from different eras), and I have a feeling the disparity won't be as severe.
 
2013-01-02 11:30:15 AM
Whoops, I forgot the line breaks... I hate how Fark has made it so much harder to use HTML all of a sudden.
 
2013-01-02 11:31:20 AM

jayhawk88: Potentially interesting stats in favor of AP's being better: In '84 teams collectively rushed for 123.9 yards per game, at a 4.0 yards/attempt clip. In '12 they rushed for 115.9 y/g, but at a 4.3 y/a clip. Despite there being 4 fewer teams, total '84 rushes was 13,811, trailing the '12 total of 13,925 by only 114 attempts.


Not surprised.  The rules changes aren't changing the yardage stats so much as the schemes.  It used to be that if you passed, 2 out of 3 outcomes were bad -- completion, incompletion (a wasted down), interception.  Now it's 2 out of 4 (completion, incompletion, interception, ticky-tack PI).  That means rush attempts are down and pass attempts are up, but why aren't the yardage stats changing?  Because the run changed from the base of the offense (bearing in mind passing was considered risky) to a constraint play.  So you'll still run to keep defenses from going into full-time nickel and dime packages, but it takes that 4.3ypa clip to justify it when passing isn't all that risky anymore.  That means less plays but more yards per play.

I'd be interested to see the trend between play-action and draw.  The draw play was generally used on passing downs as a constraint; the "bread and butter" pass was the play action after the running game had been established.  This is all CW, but CW can be very wrong, so I'm curious to see the data.  Unfortunately I'm also lazy so I'm just typing about it instead of looking it up.
 
2013-01-02 11:35:22 AM

thecpt: I think I'm adding to your argument that last year was truly an oddity, but that some team out there could still make out like a bandits on an undervalued QB. Said QBs wouldn't be pressured to start right away either, which I think is detrimental to some careers.


Agreed. It's not one of those years where there's a "Manning or Rivers"/"Luck or Griffin" type debate, but there could still be a decent QB to be found and developed. It also takes a lot of pressure off of the coaching staff: nobody is getting fired (or even remembered in a couple of years) for drafting a prospective QB in the third round who turns out to be a backup rather than a starter.
 
2013-01-02 11:59:16 AM

factoryconnection: Here's something worth taking from this data set, for the junior achievers in the NFL: if you're f*cked up, sit out. Manning and Brady could have tried to "tough out" their serious health problems and shortened their careers, but they took a season off each and got well. Not "good enough to hobble out there, throw a few touchdowns and get my skull caved in three weeks from now" but actually fit for duty.

For a counterpoint, see Vick, Michael. With the Birds' offensive line, he may as well have been jumping directly out of bed in the morning, through a window and landing on the pavement 15 feet below for all the good it did his torn-up body.


I'm not sure I agree with your police work there, Lou.

Manning and Brady are the quarterbacks of their generation, seven Super Bowls and four rings between them. Each had season-ending injuries that they couldn't "tough out."

Michael Vick, injured or not, cannot be compared to either. He won that playoff game against Favre a decade or so ago but hasn't done a lot (outside of FF in 2010) since. Concussions and bruised ribs are normally not season-ending injuries. Being unable to walk or move laterally, or being at risk of a broken neck and paralysis are quite different.

Had Vick been anywhere close to those two in terms of talent and accomplishment, and his injuries be on-par with a torn ACL and four C vertebrae fusion surgeries, then he would have a place in this discussion.
 
2013-01-02 12:03:04 PM

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: factoryconnection: Here's something worth taking from this data set, for the junior achievers in the NFL: if you're f*cked up, sit out. Manning and Brady could have tried to "tough out" their serious health problems and shortened their careers, but they took a season off each and got well. Not "good enough to hobble out there, throw a few touchdowns and get my skull caved in three weeks from now" but actually fit for duty.

For a counterpoint, see Vick, Michael. With the Birds' offensive line, he may as well have been jumping directly out of bed in the morning, through a window and landing on the pavement 15 feet below for all the good it did his torn-up body.

I'm not sure I agree with your police work there, Lou.

Manning and Brady are the quarterbacks of their generation, seven Super Bowls and four rings between them. Each had season-ending injuries that they couldn't "tough out."

Michael Vick, injured or not, cannot be compared to either. He won that playoff game against Favre a decade or so ago but hasn't done a lot (outside of FF in 2010) since. Concussions and bruised ribs are normally not season-ending injuries. Being unable to walk or move laterally, or being at risk of a broken neck and paralysis are quite different.

Had Vick been anywhere close to those two in terms of talent and accomplishment, and his injuries be on-par with a torn ACL and four C vertebrae fusion surgeries, then he would have a place in this discussion.


Disregard. I misread your post. Searching for a blunt instrument to restart my brain.
 
2013-01-02 12:05:21 PM

jayhawk88: Oh absolutely. And I do think the NFL rule changes favoring QB's has had an effect as well. I also think that overall, the college game is closer to the NFL game as far as schemes and such than it's ever been as well.


This feels like the most likely explanation; We're finally seeing college quarterbacks come out that have spent 3 or 4 seasons in a passing pro-style offense, AND we're seeing offenses that are opening up and taking advantage of the changes.

I wonder to what extent the willingness to let the QB carry the ball occasionally, which is safer now with the slide rule in place, is opening things up. It certainly is for Washington; it looks like it is for Seattle, Carolina, and SF. If Tebow had a more accurate arm, he'd be a reasonable alternative as backup.
 
2013-01-02 12:09:51 PM

czetie: thecpt: I think I'm adding to your argument that last year was truly an oddity, but that some team out there could still make out like a bandits on an undervalued QB. Said QBs wouldn't be pressured to start right away either, which I think is detrimental to some careers.

Agreed. It's not one of those years where there's a "Manning or Rivers"/"Luck or Griffin" type debate, but there could still be a decent QB to be found and developed. It also takes a lot of pressure off of the coaching staff: nobody is getting fired (or even remembered in a couple of years) for drafting a prospective QB in the third round who turns out to be a backup rather than a starter.


Kaepernick, Wilson, Cousins. If you can find a runner with a pretty good arm, you might be able to build around it. But you need an O line and WRs that are willing to block.
 
2013-01-02 12:13:43 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: The Muthaship: But, Andy Dalton sucks. So throw one sophomore out.

You mispelled "Christian Ponder".

/I am willing to be proved wrong Christian
//get to work on that
///you started last week


Christian Ponder does two things well, hand off to AP and marry hot chicks. And we really don't know if the second one was a one time fluke or is indicative of his career numbers.
 
2013-01-02 12:16:01 PM

czetie: It's not one of those years where there's a "Manning or Rivers"/"Luck or Griffin" type debate, but there could still be a decent QB to be found and developed. It also takes a lot of pressure off of the coaching staff: nobody is getting fired (or even remembered in a couple of years) for drafting a prospective QB in the third round who turns out to be a backup rather than a starter.


Yeah, the thing is, the guy who was selected right behind Peyton Manning was a guy named Ryan Leaf.  While I agree with your point about marginal draft picks, that goes for any position.  But selecting a first-round QB apparently isn't so obvious, at least it shouldn't be.  Nobody in the media had any doubts about Ryan Leaf's future HoF career; quite a few even thought he would be better than Peyton because he had the ideal QB physique and physical talent.  They were saying it was a toss-up; you couldn't go wrong by picking either one.  I remember feeling particularly lonely that day for being what felt like the only sane person on the planet.
 
2013-01-02 12:17:00 PM

factoryconnection: Here's something worth taking from this data set, for the junior achievers in the NFL: if you're f*cked up, sit out.


Ask Alex Smith how that worked out for him.
 
2013-01-02 12:18:55 PM

Frozboz: Ask Alex Smith how that worked out for him.


He suffered from long-standing questions on his capability, and his recent performances were poor. Sitting out didn't cost him his job. Stinking up Candlestick cost him his job.
 
2013-01-02 12:20:48 PM

Outrageous Muff: Or it's because the league rules make being a QB easier, therefore younger QBs are more productive. Just remember, Mark Sanchez got to two AFC championship games.


I think someone else covered the idea that the same rules apply to all the QB's, but let's be serious for a second here. There have been more rules in place protecting linebackers and other defensive players long before any of these "new QB protection rules" were implemented. Odd how defensive players never get blocking hands to the face, are never double engaged high/low, crackbacked, clipped, sidechopped, blocked on the back, or speared from any blocking angle.
Don't let them fool you. Whiners like Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs have benefitted from being protected by rules since Singletary was playing. It's just really hard to play defense, regardless of the rules.
 
2013-01-02 12:22:44 PM

Galloping Galoshes: and his recent performances were poor


He had the fourth highest rating as of his benching, and only two losses. And those long standing questions were mainly due to organizational suckitude.
 
2013-01-02 12:26:11 PM
Ray Lewis just announced he is retiring but I am running around otherwise I would submit a link.
 
2013-01-02 12:28:43 PM

czetie: thecpt: ***snip***

Agreed. It's not one of those years where there's a "Manning or Rivers"/"Luck or Griffin" type debate, but there could still be a decent QB to be found and developed. It also takes a lot of pressure off of the coaching staff: nobody is getting fired (or even remembered in a couple of years) for drafting a prospective QB in the third round who turns out to be a backup rather than a starter.


That has been the Packers' strategy for 2 decades. We have had a few backups go on to start for other teams or have had capable backups for a few years. I get that the Packers, more than any team besides maybe the Patriots, have had fantastic QB luck, but if you can be in a position to draft guys and sit them, it seems to work better. If anyone wants to break out some Google-fu, I would love to see stats on guys who sit for a year vs. start as rookies.
 
2013-01-02 12:29:15 PM
Ray Lewis is retiring after this season.
 
2013-01-02 12:30:08 PM

INeedAName: Ray Lewis just announced he is retiring but I am running around otherwise I would submit a link.


Is Ray chasing you? I would call the cops, if so.
 
2013-01-02 12:34:06 PM

qsblues: Outrageous Muff: Or it's because the league rules make being a QB easier, therefore younger QBs are more productive. Just remember, Mark Sanchez got to two AFC championship games.

Agreed. The rule changes all but nullify defenses getting to the QB, and DB's just can't hit people anymore, or they'll be suspended, fined or both. It's a pass-centric league, and people are looking for high school basketball scores in the NFL.

I will say that there are some exceptional rookie & sophomore QB's this year, but they wouldn't be nearly as productive if the rule changes didn't exist. They all would've been eaten alive just a few years ago. And anyone who thinks that Brady & Manning will be taking snaps for another 5 years is either insane or just plain stupid. That torn ACL and broken neck will catch up with them sooner rather than later, pro athlete or not.


I think the bigger reason why these guys come in and play well is because of the high school and college systems they are in. 16 and 17 year old kids are learning how to run the spread and pro style offenses, so they're better prepared to throw it once they get into college and eventually the NFL. And on the NFL level, you're starting to see more teams use spread concepts so the terminology isn't a whole lot different. So running an offense isn't as tough for these guys going from level to level, but moreso figuring out what the defense is doing and how to adjust to it.
 
2013-01-02 12:37:06 PM

iron_city_ap: Ray Lewis is retiring after this season.


I wouldn't be surprised if Ed Reed decides to hang them up too.
 
2013-01-02 12:40:07 PM

coolio mack: iron_city_ap: Ray Lewis is retiring after this season.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ed Reed decides to hang them up too.


He's not gonna be too far behind.
 
2013-01-02 12:42:59 PM

jayhawk88: Let's remember this team was 3-6 before their bye.


Two of those loses were squarely on the replacement refs. (week 2, and 3)

Week 3 was especially bad, with the *25* yard penalty marked off against the redskins for 30 *bengals* players on the field, at the end.
 
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