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2013-01-02 12:29:40 AM

cretinbob: Freeperland is just.....damn......

Are You Going To Remain A Republican in light of today's gutless actions by both the Senate and House? This was the last straw for me; I'm done! I will be switching my party affiliation tomorrow.

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I'll most likely be dropping party affiliation and registering Independent sometime this month.



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Yes.

But I'm writing my conservative congressman that if Boehner continues as Speaker I will support a primary or third-party candidate against him (my congressman).

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I think most of us tried to be team players, even after the a$$ whooping we got on election night. Switching my party affiliation is the only political power I (we) have left. The GOPe chose to fear the Left instead of us. May they reap the consequences!

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We desperately need a third party. If you support the GOP, you support Obama and people like him. I do not support the Left -- that's why I no longer vote Republican.
You will eventually figure this out.

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You've been one of the GOP supporters for a while. Making excuses for them.
You own this. And yes, you are on the paper list of liberal republicans that I keep near the computer, so I can keep track of all you (redacteds).


the Freep Independent - it's like a fark independent, but with mayonnaise and shredded lettuce slathered on their nipples. also nice to note that freep has their own skookum, too.
 
2013-01-02 12:30:21 AM

eraser8: shower_in_my_socks: According to Grover Nordquist, over half of the House GOP just voted against tax cuts.

Politico is saying that Norquist is giving his okay to the deal.



I know. He just tweeted that those who voted for this were supporting tax CUTS, since technically the Bush Tax Cuts sunsetted last night. But by that logic, a majority of the House GOP just voted AGAINST tax cuts since they voted against this bill.
 
2013-01-02 12:30:37 AM

Somacandra: Debeo Summa Credo: Which "republitards" are claiming victory?

I wouldn't use that epithet, but Rep. Dave Camp and Rep. Louie "Terror Babies Birther" Gohmert are doing just that, claiming its the largest tax cut in history, blah blah blah.


Wow. Farkin ridiculous.
 
2013-01-02 12:30:42 AM

twistofsin: I don't think the cuts should have been permanent, why couldn't they just be extended for another 10 years?


Permanent in Washington doesn't mean permanent.
 
2013-01-02 12:30:43 AM

DamnYankees: 12349876: abb3w: DamnYankees: Tonight was a total failure for him.

By my count, three-fifths of the GOP was right along side with Cantor. That's going to make it kind of tricky for Boehner to keep even figurehead leadership. Far from impossible, but I expect a challenge.

Democrats get to vote for speaker too.

They vote for Pelosi.


They don't have to.
 
2013-01-02 12:30:45 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: eraser8: shower_in_my_socks: According to Grover Nordquist, over half of the House GOP just voted against tax cuts.

Politico is saying that Norquist is giving his okay to the deal.

Got a link?

I'll go ahead and give it the prestigious Uranus is Huge! Seal of Approval, reluctantly.

It is equally meaningful.


My thought, when reading the Politico story, is that Norquist was trying to remain relevant...you know, after he predicted that his coalition of dumbasses would hold.

But, since you spoke up...are you female and sexy?
 
2013-01-02 12:30:55 AM
Congratulations to Eric Cantor the new Doormat of the House.
 
2013-01-02 12:31:16 AM
If I was a Democratic congressman, I'd be throwing my support behind Bachmann for Speaker. Troll the shiat out of that election. The only drawback would be risking putting that puddle of derp third in line to the White House.
 
2013-01-02 12:31:28 AM
Son of a b***h! My Congresscritter voted against it. Buschon (IN-8) is worthless, and I wish the Democrats ran someone worth electing in 2012 because flipping this idiot in 2014 is the goal.
 
2013-01-02 12:31:31 AM

DamnYankees: 12349876: abb3w: DamnYankees: Tonight was a total failure for him.

By my count, three-fifths of the GOP was right along side with Cantor. That's going to make it kind of tricky for Boehner to keep even figurehead leadership. Far from impossible, but I expect a challenge.

Democrats get to vote for speaker too.

They vote for Pelosi.


A speaker has to get the majority of the ENTIRE HOUSE to get elected, not just a majority of the party members.
 
2013-01-02 12:31:47 AM
Actual quote from one rep, from the NYT:
"I have read the bill and can't find the spending cuts - even with an electron magnifying glass," said Representative Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, who generally votes against budget bills.

I don't know how to categorize this: a malapropism? An eggcorn? A Bushism?
 
2013-01-02 12:31:59 AM

DeltaPunch: Nobody -- not even Cantor -- wants to be in charge of that right now.


That seems a better argument against a revolt, yes.
However, it seems to depend on the assumption that Cantor is not himself TeaParty-grade crazy.
 
2013-01-02 12:32:02 AM

Altitude5280: Every damn time I go to Freepville they are constantly begging for money to run their site. As soon as they meet their goals, they start another " Freepathon."


Sounds like they need a lobbyist. Or... you know... some form of internet welfare.

/ freeploaders.
// Get some jorbs marons!
 
2013-01-02 12:32:02 AM

12349876: A speaker has to get the majority of the ENTIRE HOUSE to get elected, not just a majority of the party members.


I an aware.
 
2013-01-02 12:32:30 AM
For Grover Norquist, the Senate-backed fiscal cliff bill on its way to the House floor Tuesday is a tax cut that House Republicans can vote for and defend to their constituents without violating their anti-tax increase pledges.

That little puke. The only thing that matters is that the Republicans didn't violate HIS pledge.
Is he autistic or something? "The pledge....the tax pledge. Did anyone violate my tax pledge? My precious..."
 
2013-01-02 12:33:17 AM

shower_in_my_socks: eraser8: shower_in_my_socks: According to Grover Nordquist, over half of the House GOP just voted against tax cuts.

Politico is saying that Norquist is giving his okay to the deal.


I know. He just tweeted that those who voted for this were supporting tax CUTS, since technically the Bush Tax Cuts sunsetted last night. But by that logic, a majority of the House GOP just voted AGAINST tax cuts since they voted against this bill.


So, as I wrote earlier:  [m]y thought, when reading the Politico story, is that Norquist was trying to remain relevant...you know, after he predicted that his coalition of dumbasses would hold.

An interesting aside: how will Norquist explain the majority of the House GOP conference that, in rejected the Senate language,  voted AGAINST "tax cuts"?
 
2013-01-02 12:33:24 AM

DamnYankees: shower_in_my_socks: Cantor just voted against the bill, along with a majority of the House GOP. So who's in the weaker position right now -- Boehner, who had the support of less than half of the House Republicans, or Cantor, who was backed-up by a majority of his party, including the House Majority Whip?

As someone else said elsewhere, the key question in all this was did the GOP causes actually not want this bill to pass, or did they just not want to vote for it? If its the former, ya his job is toast. If the latter, he's fine. And based on the fact that this bill got the floor in the first place, I bet you its the latter.



The Teahadists are going to turn on Boehner -- they already are at Freeperville. They aren't going to turn against Cantor -- he voted AGAINST the bill. And Cantor has now sided with a majority of his party in the House. He made this into a power-play for him to take Boehner's job.
 
2013-01-02 12:33:30 AM

Paris1127: Actual quote from one rep, from the NYT:
"I have read the bill and can't find the spending cuts - even with an electron magnifying glass," said Representative Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, who generally votes against budget bills.

I don't know how to categorize this: a malapropism? An eggcorn? A Bushism?


Maybe he's into steampunk.
 
2013-01-02 12:33:54 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: The tax on capital gains and dividends will be permanently set at 20 percent for those with income above the $450,000/$400,000 threshold


Not permanently set, had the expiration date removed.
There's nothing stopping Congress from changing the tax rates again at some point in the future. If things go well, and we get rid of the debt, wages are up and costs are down, go ahead.
But for 35 years "Low taxes create jobs and prosperity and blah blah blah" has been tried and clearly is a failure.
 
2013-01-02 12:34:01 AM

Paris1127: Actual quote from one rep, from the NYT:
"I have read the bill and can't find the spending cuts - even with an electron magnifying glass," said Representative Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, who generally votes against budget bills.

I don't know how to categorize this: a malapropism? An eggcorn? A Bushism?


a mobius yogi berraism.
 
2013-01-02 12:34:22 AM

eraser8: Uranus Is Huge!: eraser8: shower_in_my_socks: According to Grover Nordquist, over half of the House GOP just voted against tax cuts.

Politico is saying that Norquist is giving his okay to the deal.

Got a link?

I'll go ahead and give it the prestigious Uranus is Huge! Seal of Approval, reluctantly.

It is equally meaningful.

My thought, when reading the Politico story, is that Norquist was trying to remain relevant...you know, after he predicted that his coalition of dumbasses would hold.

But, since you spoke up...are you female and sexy?


This is the Internet.

Of course I'm female and sexy. And rich. And a genius. And hung like a Clydesdale. Wait wut?
 
2013-01-02 12:34:44 AM

12349876: A speaker has to get the majority of the ENTIRE HOUSE to get elected, not just a majority of the party members.


Yeah.  But, traditionally, every Republican votes for the Republican candidate and every Democrat votes for the Democratic candidate.
 
2013-01-02 12:34:58 AM

eraser8: shower_in_my_socks: eraser8: shower_in_my_socks: According to Grover Nordquist, over half of the House GOP just voted against tax cuts.

Politico is saying that Norquist is giving his okay to the deal.


I know. He just tweeted that those who voted for this were supporting tax CUTS, since technically the Bush Tax Cuts sunsetted last night. But by that logic, a majority of the House GOP just voted AGAINST tax cuts since they voted against this bill.

So, as I wrote earlier:  [m]y thought, when reading the Politico story, is that Norquist was trying to remain relevant...you know, after he predicted that his coalition of dumbasses would hold.

An interesting aside: how will Norquist explain the majority of the House GOP conference that, in rejected the Senate language,  voted AGAINST "tax cuts"?


i.imgur.com

Technically, voting against a tax cut isn't the same as voting for a tax hike.
 
2013-01-02 12:35:07 AM

shower_in_my_socks: The Teahadists are going to turn on Boehner -- they already are at Freeperville. They aren't going to turn against Cantor -- he voted AGAINST the bill. And Cantor has now sided with a majority of his party in the House. He made this into a power-play for him to take Boehner's job.


They might, but the Tea Party Caucus is a minority of the GOP Caucus and Cantor isn't a member of it. There are enough of these idiots to prevent the GOP from getting majority votes without them, but they can't do anything by themselves.
 
2013-01-02 12:35:24 AM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Don't Troll Me Bro!: AdolfOliverPanties: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

Is that little biatch about to cry again?

Not until he gets a few down the hatch.

Can a grown man cry bourbon?


No, but the crying Boehner doll can be loaded with crisp, satisfying conservative tears.
cdn.inquisitr.com
 
2013-01-02 12:35:32 AM
For all the complaining about Obama being a terrible negotiator (something I'm occasionally guilty of), the guy sure knows how to get shiat done.
 
2013-01-02 12:36:37 AM

eraser8: 12349876: A speaker has to get the majority of the ENTIRE HOUSE to get elected, not just a majority of the party members.

Yeah.  But, traditionally, every Republican votes for the Republican candidate and every Democrat votes for the Democratic candidate.


The Dems should split their votes between Boehner and Cantor to try and force a deadlock.  For the lulz.
 
2013-01-02 12:37:16 AM

shower_in_my_socks: He made this into a power-play for him to take Boehner's job.


For $29k more per year? Wow. He must love money. I think I would pay that much not to have that job for the next year.
 
2013-01-02 12:37:46 AM

Mentat: eraser8: 12349876: A speaker has to get the majority of the ENTIRE HOUSE to get elected, not just a majority of the party members.

Yeah.  But, traditionally, every Republican votes for the Republican candidate and every Democrat votes for the Democratic candidate.

The Dems should split their votes between Boehner and Cantor to try and force a deadlock.  For the lulz.


Not to make this exchange uncomfortable...but, you just made me excited.  Sexually.
 
2013-01-02 12:37:56 AM
Officialy the Obama Tax Cuts now....
 
2013-01-02 12:38:57 AM

cretinbob: dumbobruni: Debeo Summa Credo: cretinbob: Two more months of rope and adding almost $4 trillion to the debt isn't much of a victory, is it Republitards?

Which "republitards" are claiming victory?

David Camp

"After more than a decade of criticizing these tax cuts," said Representative Dave Camp of Michigan, "Democrats are finally joining Republicans in making them permanent. Republicans and the American people are getting something really important, permanent tax relief."

Link

Yeah, there will be plenty on both sides who try to say they won.

I never liked the idea of the Bush tax cuts, because I knew it would bring us here. They were meant to expire for a reason and need to do so.
That aside, pushing it off another two months won't let them come up with a better solution.

"Paul Ryan voted for it-he is dead to me now. All the "ayes" are to be PURGED in the primaries! "


Yeah, 90% of the irresponsible bush cuts made permanent and no spending cuts is a loss for America and our kids and grand kids.

But I can't see how the GOP claims this as a victory when only 15 dems voted against it.

Just an utterly awful failure by shortsighted politicians on both sides.
 
2013-01-02 12:39:13 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Don't Troll Me Bro!: AdolfOliverPanties: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

Is that little biatch about to cry again?

Not until he gets a few down the hatch.

Can a grown man cry bourbon?

No, but the crying Boehner doll can be loaded with crisp, satisfying conservative tears.
[cdn.inquisitr.com image 475x274]


Oh that is awesome.
 
2013-01-02 12:39:26 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Emposter: Not mentioned, but I believe in the bill, is that capital gains remain at a lower rate than normal income and plenty other bullshiat.

A lower than Clinton era, but higher than yesterday level -- for some.

The tax on capital gains and dividends will be permanently set at 20 percent for those with income above the $450,000/$400,000 threshold. Link


Yes, I know. So...a lower rate than normal income. Much lower in fact. Like I said before.
 
2013-01-02 12:39:39 AM

Corvus: If you want some good Schadenfreude go over to FreeRepubluc. It's a complete meltdown.


If I had to navigate that mess of a site on a regular basis I would have a meltdown too..

So... GOPe / GOP-e... What's all that about?
 
2013-01-02 12:40:45 AM

Flatulent_Flea: Officialy the Obama Tax Cuts now....


And since they Bush cuts did technically expire, he did cut taxes not raise them, so yes, you sir are be best kind of correct.
 
2013-01-02 12:42:26 AM

eraser8: 12349876: A speaker has to get the majority of the ENTIRE HOUSE to get elected, not just a majority of the party members.

Yeah.  But, traditionally, every Republican votes for the Republican candidate and every Democrat votes for the Democratic candidate.


Just making sure people know that the 151 Republicans that voted against this bill, a strong majority of the party, aren't going to be enough to ditch Boehner.
 
2013-01-02 12:42:32 AM

Mentat: For all the complaining about Obama being a terrible negotiator (something I'm occasionally guilty of), the guy sure knows how to get shiat done.


I know right? I would not be surprised to find out this was his plan all along. I mean the GOP is pretty damn predictable these days. It cant be difficult to anticipate what they will do and strategize accordingly.
 
2013-01-02 12:42:42 AM

DamnYankees: Many of those no votes are going to be loyal to Boehner.


I'm less confident of that than you seem to be.

DamnYankees: They vote for Pelosi.


Which in the present scenario leads on the first pass to 200-plus votes for Pelosi, 100-odd votes for Boehner, and 150-odd for Cantor.

At which point, Boehner has to try and pull in the GOP right wing faster than Pelosi can pry lose the GOP's left.

"Speaking of Republicans in the House, I've watched with interest what's happening to the revolt against Gingrich. Two problems--and I know something about revolts [having been elected minority leader when the Young Turks ran him against Charles Halleck in 1965]: Number one, you can't beat an incumbent with four candidates. You have to have one unified opponent to the incumbent. You get four, you spread the effort, there aren't enough votes. Number two, you should never challenge an incumbent party leader in the middle of a session. You should do it after an election or before--at the time the parties organize-- so you're focusing on that issue.

"That's what we did: we all agreed I would be the candidate: [Mel] Laird and [Charles] Goodell and [Don] Rumsfelt and [Al] Quie wouldn't be competing candidates, and they'd all vote for me. And we did it after the 1964 debacle when the Republicans were organizing [the new Congress], so that the only issue was whether you wanted new leadership or not. It wasn't all involved in who's gonna be for tax cuts or who's gonna be for this or that."


President Gerald R. Ford, quoted in Thomas M. DeFrank's Write It When I'm Gone

I wonder if Cantor has read that book....

12349876: A speaker has to get the majority of the ENTIRE HOUSE to get elected, not just a majority of the party members.


Indeed.
 
2013-01-02 12:42:43 AM
come on Bachmann. you know you want to be speaker of the house.
 
2013-01-02 12:42:53 AM

cretinbob: Flatulent_Flea: Officialy the Obama Tax Cuts now....

And since they Bush cuts did technically expire, he did cut taxes not raise them, so yes, you sir are be best kind of correct.


Hell, the President Obama will have signed the biggest tax cut in United States history.
 
2013-01-02 12:43:12 AM
I don't think it can't be stated enough. But permanent in Washington-speak simply means "We don't have a set sunset date."

Anything Congress does can be undone. So if you want to re-balance the tax rates to make sense, we have to find some way (by hook or crook) to generate enough economic growth to where receipts can start to make sense given our burden, and the bulk of the population can afford the extra few pts we'd need to bend the curve back down.
(Also, I still don't what these things that we could cut that would actually put a significant dent in the deficit without screwing over an not insignificant chunk of the population... which kinda matters to people who have some semblance of empathy)
 
2013-01-02 12:43:39 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: So... GOPe / GOP-e... What's all that about?


Establishment.
Apparently these are Republicans who want to be Republicans but but don't want to be Republicans so.....

At least crazy ass liberals just want to smoke pot and hug trees.
 
2013-01-02 12:45:08 AM

abb3w: At which point, Boehner has to try and pull in the GOP right wing faster than Pelosi can pry lose the GOP's left.


Has any minority leader ever been made Speaker while Minority leader for the foreseeable future? This seems basically impossible.
 
2013-01-02 12:46:17 AM

Mentat: eraser8: 12349876: A speaker has to get the majority of the ENTIRE HOUSE to get elected, not just a majority of the party members.

Yeah.  But, traditionally, every Republican votes for the Republican candidate and every Democrat votes for the Democratic candidate.

The Dems should split their votes between Boehner and Cantor to try and force a deadlock.  For the lulz.


They wouldnt need to. The Speaker must receive a majority of the votes. If the Republicans split their vote and the Democrats all vote Pelosi noone would receive a majority. They would have to vote again.

The winner (between Boehner and Cantor) would certainly have to neogiate a deal with the Democrats. They would deal for Boehner and that would give the Democrats major bargaining power.

So the GOP's choice is a weak uncontested Speaker Boehner or and even weaker contested Speaker Boehner.

The tea-tards may just be dumb enough to go for it.
 
2013-01-02 12:46:31 AM

12349876: Just making sure people know that the 151 Republicans that voted against this bill, a strong majority of the party, aren't going to be enough to ditch Boehner.


So he can be Majority Leader then. The Speaker of the House isn't elected by the party who holds the majority, and doesn't even have to be a member of Congress. It's everyone.
So Maybe Grover can be elected Speaker. or Big Bird.
 
2013-01-02 12:46:50 AM

Paris1127: Actual quote from one rep, from the NYT:
"I have read the bill and can't find the spending cuts - even with an electron magnifying glass," said Representative Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, who generally votes against budget bills.

I don't know how to categorize this: a malapropism? An eggcorn? A Bushism?


Technically, a derpism, but I believe the appropriate response would be "you haven't read it at all, have you?"
 
2013-01-02 12:47:33 AM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Don't Troll Me Bro!: AdolfOliverPanties: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

Is that little biatch about to cry again?

Not until he gets a few down the hatch.

Can a grown man cry bourbon?

No, but the crying Boehner doll can be loaded with crisp, satisfying conservative tears.
[cdn.inquisitr.com image 475x274]

Oh that is awesome.


Sadly, it was just a Jimmy Kimmel thing, not a real product.
 
2013-01-02 12:49:15 AM

max_pooper:
The tea-tards may just be dumb enough to go for it.


vegas has the line as 3-to-potato for.
 
2013-01-02 12:49:20 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Don't Troll Me Bro!: AdolfOliverPanties: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

Is that little biatch about to cry again?

Not until he gets a few down the hatch.

Can a grown man cry bourbon?

No, but the crying Boehner doll can be loaded with crisp, satisfying conservative tears.
[cdn.inquisitr.com image 475x274]

Oh that is awesome.

Sadly, it was just a Jimmy Kimmel thing, not a real product.


That's too bad. I'd throw 45 dollars at that.
 
2013-01-02 12:50:13 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I'm not wild about the idea of the president flying all the way back to Hawaii to gain a few extra days of missed vacation.
Seems like a lot of Air Force One money to spend just to make a point.


Don't worry. that is just a line. In reality, he flew his shuttle to the construction site of a new and more powerful battle station orbiting the forest moon.
 
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