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2013-01-02 07:09:13 AM  
5 votes:

lordargent: Basically, the real problem is that people consume too much and that it's a lot easier to drink in those calories than to chew them.


Yes and no.  The problem is that the food industry removed fiber from our diet.  The reason why someone eating apples can't keep up with someone drinking soda is that the former has bulk.  In nature, fructose is almost always packaged with fiber (and when it isn't, it's guarded by insects with sharp parts), and fiber is hydrophilic (it absorbs water like a mofo).  It's this fructose-fiber-water package your body is used to eating in large quantities.  Soda, fruit juices, HFCS, syrup, etc. are all sugar water with the fiber removed.  In that sense, you're correct -- it slows down eating.

That's less than half the benefit, though.  The other thing about fiber is that it fundamentally alters the way sugar is absorbed.  Sugar dissolves in water very easily and fiber absorbs water, so while you can use scientific methods to measure the sugar content of an apple, it's a wildly inaccurate estimate of how many calories you absorb.  Soda?  Basically 100% absorbed.  The reason why fiber has a reputation for making people fart is that it allows bacteria to consume the sugar you've eaten, and converts it to, well, smelly by-products, but that's proof the fiber's working.  It stinks (ha-ha), but this is how humans were for millions of years. There's a time and place for low-fiber foods (before meetings and during trips, for example), but you are NOT meant to eat low-fiber foods every day.
2013-01-02 03:28:05 AM  
4 votes:
"HFCS are fine in moderation" - Corn Lobby


When the bun, hotdog, ketchup, mustard, mayonnaise and sweet pickle relish all have HFCS then your argument is invalid
2013-01-02 02:31:05 AM  
4 votes:
absolutely true. i had to completely remove sugar from my diet for a time and went through hardcore heroin-esque withdrawals and cravings like a motherfarker.

it got really serious when i saw a baby ruth crawling on the ceiling
2013-01-02 08:52:36 AM  
3 votes:

xanadian: In other news, fructose has a much lower glycemic index than glucose


Well. . . yeah.  Glucose will trigger a test designed to detect glucose more than a sugar that's not glucose.
2013-01-02 02:28:53 AM  
3 votes:
insiderlouisville.com
2013-01-02 02:20:53 AM  
3 votes:
Return to Hell from whence it came?
2013-01-02 12:05:23 AM  
3 votes:
Reduce obesity?

/DNRTFA
2013-01-02 10:09:15 AM  
2 votes:

sminkypinky: You are addicted to crap food - until you get your fat ass 'man vs food' attitude adjusted, and start cooking real food in sensible proportions, you are going to continue to die fat and early.


Cooking is considered a manly art in the modern world.

First off, a man who can cook is a man who can get laid. By women who know he's getting laid by other women. Constantly.

Second, cooking is an exercise of tool use in creativity, which is what men do--we make things. We take hammers and make houses. Then we make pneumatic frame nailers and make houses really farking fast. Then we invent impact drivers and power drills and thinset and ditra and porcelain tile and engineered wood and 5/8 engineered hardwood tongue-and-groove flooring and modern floor building methods and roofing methods, and we make sturdy houses fast. Fast like I can build a modern house by myself in a matter of a few short weeks, given the capital. I need to buy the parts--construction materials--but I can dig a foundation with a backhoe, drop in cinder blocks, pour concrete, and there's your basement; run joists into pockets in the foundation,, there's your foundational first floor. Use a pneumatic nailer to nail 2x4 studs into that, pop pop pop. Drop subfloor, use the floor nailer or a screw gun or if you want use the impact driver, two layers (subfloor and then underlayment), 1 1/4 inch or 32mm. Walls. Door frames. Doors, stairs, second floor. Roof. Run plumbing, cable, electricity, network while the walls are open. Insulate, put up drywall. Floor nailer to place 5/8 engineered hardwood. Lay thinset, roll out Ditra, lay more thinset, kerdi-band, thinset, porcelain tiles. Grout the next day. Put in cabinets. Three weeks of 12 hour days later, you might have a house--it's doable, we made tools for this.

We made double-ovens, we made high-quality engineered knives, food processors, mixers. Men pride themselves on being able to use a hand-router or an unpowered chisel to carve intricately designed table legs. Hell, men pride themselves on using a hammer, tongs, anvil, and fire to make knives and swords--you will find men like this, historically men were swordsmiths. Men will take an 8 and 10 inch Chef's knife and carve shiat up. Men will bring the Sodium Alginate and Calcium Carbonate. Men will bring miniature food torches for finishing.

Men make cooking an art, a matter of pride, a display of power.

Women bake.

Cooking has become a very manly art, and men who sit around on their asses just eating are weak and flabby and become fat.
2013-01-02 08:28:48 AM  
2 votes:
One thing I don't get...so many people can get into a car, pull into a drivethrough, talk into the clown face, get the product handed to them, see it, smell it, taste it in its sugary, greasy, salty glory...and even without the benefit of chemical analysis, food labels, scientific analysis, etc., they don't instantly recoil in horror and say, what the fark has happened to us, that we think this is normal?

They don't compare their own waistlines to those of their parents 30 years ago, or grandparents 60 years ago, and say what the fark etc.

By 2042, being merely obese will be considered supermodel skinny.
2013-01-02 05:47:23 AM  
2 votes:
Whether it's intentional or not, HCFS, and added sugar in general....and even non-caloric sweeteners (I'm looking at YOU, Aspartame),  trains your brain to want more food, even when you're not really hungry. How many fat diet soda drinkers do you know?

Read this book. It's an eye opener.

runnersdelight.files.wordpress.com
2013-01-02 05:15:46 AM  
2 votes:

thisiszombocom: cure diabeetus?


In a sense it can. Death cures everything, right?
2013-01-02 04:40:58 AM  
2 votes:
To all you HFCS and GMO defenders, I say EAT AND DRINK AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. Go ahead. You know you want it.
2013-01-02 03:43:08 AM  
2 votes:
It's easy to drink or drink a vast amount of calories in sugar which doesn't produce a feeling of fullness (well the glucose part does but the fructose part doesn't). Like to see someone eat the same amount of calories in good food (which has a lot of zero-calorie roughage). We threw out all the sugar in our house about 1 year ago and now don't miss it at all - in fact couldn't even eat something with sugar in it anymore because it tastes so sickly sweet. I prefer to ingest my useless calories in alcohol (which is actually sugar that gets you drunk).

HFCS is an American disease.
2013-01-02 03:09:50 AM  
2 votes:

BradleyUffner: And Apples are nearly 66% fructose. Which by the logic this article uses that makes them worse than eating pure sugar.


An average apple has about 11g of fructose in it. A single soft drink, like a coke for example, has about 35g in a 20oz/600ml bottle. How many people do you know who eat more than 3 apples in a day? Probably very few - most people have only one or two as snacks, if any, in a day. How many people do you know who drink more than one bottle of coke/soda/pop whatever in a day? Lots. People live on the stuff, and that's not even getting into what else it's put in.

Also, the 35g figure assumes 55/45 HFCS, while actual drinks on the shelves apparently often have higher mixes of Fructose than that:


The HFCS used in soda is supposed to contain no more than 55% fructose and 45% glucose, according to the Corn Refiners Assn. (Another popular formulation is 42% fructose and 58% glucose.) This slight difference is the reason why we here at Booster Shots frequently say that HFCS is just as unhealthy as "natural" sugar.

But it turns out that some of the stuff they put in soda isn't HFCS, it's RHFCS - Really High Fructose Corn Syrup.

The Keck researchers found that the sweeteners in Coca-Cola and Pepsi contained as much as 65% fructose (and only 35% glucose), and Sprite registered as much as 64% fructose (and 36% glucose).

"The type of sugar listed on the label is not always consistent with the type of sugar detected," they wrote. "Considering that the average American drinks 50 gallons of soda and other sweetened beverages each year, it is important that we have more precise information regarding what they contain, including a listing of the fructose content."


I'm not saying it's terribad for you, but it certainly isn't healthy, and you should be aware of it.
2013-01-02 02:42:53 AM  
2 votes:
But if obese people stop eating junk, won't somebody think of the impact on the healthcare industry and fast food manufacturers?!
You are addicted to crap food - until you get your fat ass 'man vs food' attitude adjusted, and start cooking real food in sensible proportions, you are going to continue to die fat and early.
2013-01-02 07:58:41 PM  
1 votes:

ZeroPly:

This is because consumers have bought into the "moderation" mantra that Big Food is so adept at promulgating: the idea that everything, even that 3/4lb burger with bacon and 4 slices of cheese, is completely fine as long as you "enjoy in moderation". That 1500 calorie bowl of pasta is acceptable as long as it's for the occasional celebration. Pizza with 3 pounds of cheese stuffed in the crust and another 4 pounds of meat on top? Relax - you're not eating it every day, right? It's OK.

When you switch your mindset away from moderation, losing weight becomes easy. When you see a bacon cheeseburger, you don't think "treat", you think "that's what a disgusting fat retard would eat".


Did you used to be fat or were you always a miserable bastard?
2013-01-02 11:53:49 AM  
1 votes:

mgshamster: liam76: 3steps: I'm not going to make a moral decision about whether HFCS is 'good' or 'bad'.. I'm just going to float this out there. Do you know how hard it is to purchase products without HFCS or 'modified corn starch'??

I do as my son is allergic to corn. Peanuts? I laugh at your peanut allergy. My kid is allergic to Corn, Wheat, Potatoes, Peanuts, Green beans, Mushrooms, Honey, but wait there's more! In fact, so far the only things he's not allergic to are Coffee, Pork, Sugar and Milk. But the worst allergy is to corn. The kicker in all this? He's 18 yo and grew up eating this stuff because we didn't know any better. He developed the allergies at 16 and they keep getting worse. He now has to carry an epi-pen because the maltodextrose in sugarless gum sent him to the hospital during finals week. He didn't realize that it was corn derived.

The allergist thinks that GMO foods are to blame. I don't know what to think. But I've read more nutrition labels in the last 2 years than an FDA inspector. And they truly have taken over the food chain. If there is any truth to his concerns then I expect to see more and more kids like my son. Because Monsanto truly does effect everything we eat.

Any chance he can start with really amall amounts and build up immunity?

Doubtful, if what happened is that he's built up a sensitivity to it, which is what it sounds like. I'm no immunologist or allergy specialist, but I think that's usually the case with people who develop allergies later in life (as compared to being born with it).


Oh WOW. hugs!

My Uncle was diagnosed with Celiac in his 50's and is so bad he can't have any cross-contamination. My Aunt has been a Celiac her whole life and can occasionally indulge with gluten without major issues. The Doctor told them that he was probably born with a very mild case but there's so much built-up damage to his GI system now that he might never recover.

Have you tried looking into the SCD diet? If he can handle Almonds you can make breads with Almond flour. I'm getting back on it for my health and weight loss, I was originally on it for my severe IBS and it basically cured it. It does use honey but you can use sugar instead.

I suggest making homemade yogurt with milk and having him eat it to help repair his GI system. The stuff in the stores doesn't have enough of the bacteria and has fillers. I use natren yogurt starter and I make a ton of yogurt for super cheap.
2013-01-02 11:45:16 AM  
1 votes:
HFCS is poison and Big Sugar knows it.
Your body can use glucose, only glucose.
All other forms of sugar are not usable and become fat until your poor overworked liver gets around to it.
2013-01-02 11:44:39 AM  
1 votes:

BradleyUffner: And Apples are nearly 66% fructose. Which by the logic this article uses that makes them worse than eating pure sugar.


Because the key seems to be how the fructose is delivered to and processed by the liver. The fiber in the apple is the difference.

Sugar: The bitter truth.
2013-01-02 11:13:20 AM  
1 votes:

Britney Spear's Speculum: "HFCS are fine in moderation" - Corn Lobby


When the bun, hotdog, ketchup, mustard, mayonnaise and sweet pickle relish all have HFCS then your argument is invalid


Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

IMHO putting it in all processed food gives people a huge sweet tooth and they stop being able to taste real food without a crap ton of artificial seasonings in it.

My roommate, who is slowly killing himself by eating like shiat, favorite food is ground meat, 2 boxes Kraft Mac and Cheese, and a bunch of El Paso taco and fajita seasoning. It tastes like a chemical factory exploded in my mouth. Ick!

/Roommie orders chicken fried rice without any veggies in it. If it aas 1 pea in it he will not eat it
//Have no clue what to do with him
2013-01-02 10:47:53 AM  
1 votes:

Bonzo_1116: Karo syrup is essential for making taffy at home. But to guzzle down loads of the stuff every day?


Molavian: Like Karo corn syrup?


Karo is glucose syrup, not HFCS. The cheaper brands use HFCS, but Karo doesn't.

/amateur confectioner
2013-01-02 10:20:06 AM  
1 votes:

EyeHateOnlineIdiots: teach grammar to online idiots?


Teach punctuation to online idiots?
2013-01-02 10:13:52 AM  
1 votes:
If HFCS are OK for you. How come no recipes call for it and you can't buy it by itself?
2013-01-02 08:14:17 AM  
1 votes:

BradleyUffner: And Apples are nearly 66% fructose. Which by the logic this article uses that makes them worse than eating pure sugar.


They would be if it wasn't for the fiber which makes you feel full, which is why having apple juice in almost every freaking juice blend is bad. I'm lucky in that during the fall I can get real apple cider which includes all the solids so it fills you just like eating an apple, but there are almost no unfiltered commercial ciders.
2013-01-02 08:03:06 AM  
1 votes:
Where are Fark's resident Corn Lobby apologists, here to tell us that HFCS is actually really healthy stuff that we should be consuming more of and not less of for it's positive health and weight loss benefits?
2013-01-02 07:18:28 AM  
1 votes:

mgshamster: mgshamster: Makh: Relatively Obscure: Table sugar is sucrose, which is half fructose, half glucose. High-fructose corn syrup is 55 percent fructose and 45 percent glucose.

ZOMG!

Wow, they actually said that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucrose

That's kinda misleading.  Should mention that sucrose is a distinct molecule of which the other two are parts.  Not some 50/50 mixture as opposed to 55/45.

Oops. Hit the add comment button by accident.

What I meant to say was: Considering that the body breaks up sucrose into its components of glucose and fructose, what's the difference practically?



Apparently instead of simply stating the relevant truth as they did, the article should have gone into a lengthy explanation about the molecules involved, so as not to state the same exact truth in a "misleading" way
2013-01-02 07:15:09 AM  
1 votes:

WinoRhino: kokomo61: Whether it's intentional or not, HCFS, and added sugar in general....and even non-caloric sweeteners (I'm looking at YOU, Aspartame),  trains your brain to want more food, even when you're not really hungry. How many fat diet soda drinkers do you know?

I had to quit my habit of Coke Zero due to the effect described above. I also started drinking coffee with just milk instead of also adding a splenda. Cravings for sweets are pretty much gone now. I still can't find a cure for chips, though. Potato chips of any type are simply irresistible; must be the salt and fat. I wonder if adding more monounsaturated fats into my regular diet (such as avocado) would prevent such cravings...


That's in the book, too....Sugar, fat and salt. In combination (let's say, chips, dip and a diet soda - my particular poison), it's nearly impossible to shut off your brain from eating into oblivion. It's similar (but not as intense) as getting high. Your brain chemistry changes to want more and more.....and willpower pretty much flies out the window. I was riding nearly 200 miles a week and still couldn't lose weight....because I literally, could not stop eating. Understanding how my brain works helps - I can at least get out in front of the issue, and 'pre-program' better foods that aren't as likely to de-rail me, or trigger me into a binge.

Nobody ever held a gun to my head and forced me to eat anything.....but certain trigger foods (and situations that set up overeating) seemed just as powerful.

/Down 18lbs since 11/15. Trying to get down to my original weight - 7 lbs, 7 oz. Tip your waitresses.....
2013-01-02 06:57:49 AM  
1 votes:
I'm not going to make a moral decision about whether HFCS is 'good' or 'bad'.. I'm just going to float this out there. Do you know how hard it is to purchase products without HFCS or 'modified corn starch'??

I do as my son is allergic to corn. Peanuts? I laugh at your peanut allergy. My kid is allergic to Corn, Wheat, Potatoes, Peanuts, Green beans, Mushrooms, Honey, but wait there's more! In fact, so far the only things he's not allergic to are Coffee, Pork, Sugar and Milk. But the worst allergy is to corn. The kicker in all this? He's 18 yo and grew up eating this stuff because we didn't know any better. He developed the allergies at 16 and they keep getting worse. He now has to carry an epi-pen because the maltodextrose in sugarless gum sent him to the hospital during finals week. He didn't realize that it was corn derived.

The allergist thinks that GMO foods are to blame. I don't know what to think. But I've read more nutrition labels in the last 2 years than an FDA inspector. And they truly have taken over the food chain. If there is any truth to his concerns then I expect to see more and more kids like my son. Because Monsanto truly does effect everything we eat.
2013-01-02 06:26:01 AM  
1 votes:
An average apple has about 11g of fructose in it. A single soft drink, like a coke for example, has about 35g in a 20oz/600ml bottle. How many people do you know who eat more than 3 apples in a day?

Actually, a 12 oz. can of Coke has 39g sugar in it, so that would put the 20oz. bottle at about 65g.
I believe that sugar is addictive, and I'm trying to cut back on it.
2013-01-02 05:09:37 AM  
1 votes:
They have to suppress this. It's what we use to keep the sheep compliant.
2013-01-02 03:40:56 AM  
1 votes:

Aeonite: H2O

H2O2

Same difference.


I'll drink the H20, You drink the H2O2, and we'll meet up tomorrow and see how things went.
2013-01-02 03:30:03 AM  
1 votes:

Bennie Crabtree: FTA: Some nutrition experts say this sweetener may pose special risks, but others and the industry reject that claim. And doctors say we eat too much sugar in all forms.

This article is so full of misleading statements that it could be used in lectures about propaganda and rhetoric as an example of blatant lying with a friendly face. This sentence, though, is by far the best example of multiple layers of misdirection I have seen in a non-politics article since the US election. This writer should be paid to sell gold on the Business tab.


Really? White-knighting processed sugar?

/re: the headline. Ric Romero.
2013-01-02 03:27:05 AM  
1 votes:
maddermaxx : An average apple has about 11g of fructose in it. A single soft drink, like a coke for example, has about 35g in a 20oz/600ml bottle. How many people do you know who eat more than 3 apples in a day? Probably very few - most people have only one or two as snacks, if any, in a day. How many people do you know who drink more than one bottle of coke/soda/pop whatever in a day?

Basically, the real problem is that people consume too much and that it's a lot easier to drink in those calories than to chew them.
2013-01-02 03:17:46 AM  
1 votes:
FTA : These sugars often are added to processed foods and beverages, and consumption has risen dramatically since the 1970s along with obesity. A third of U.S. children and teens and more than two-thirds of adults are obese or overweight

Also since the 1970s, kids started staying indoors in order to play video games while most adults quit smoking.

Presto!

A nation of fat-asses.
2013-01-02 03:00:17 AM  
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Table sugar is sucrose, which is half fructose, half glucose. High-fructose corn syrup is 55 percent fructose and 45 percent glucose.

ZOMG!


H2O

H2O2

Same difference.
2013-01-02 02:42:00 AM  
1 votes:
"High-fructose corn syrup - is there nothing it can't do?"

All right, this is how these things work. High-fructose corn syrup will be run out of town on a rail very soon. Same thing happened to bacon. "Oooh, so high in fat, clogs your arteries, stay away from it." Then it was brought back as the solution to everything. You could make clothes out it, put it in beer, use slices of bacon as bookmarks in your signed first editions of Hemingway. In a few decades HFCS will have speciality shops. There will be HFCS clubs, recipe books, snob threads in news aggregators. Grandmas will forward emails about how putting the stuff on somebody's third-degree burns can save their life. You get the idea.
2013-01-02 02:30:40 AM  
1 votes:

Makh: Relatively Obscure: Table sugar is sucrose, which is half fructose, half glucose. High-fructose corn syrup is 55 percent fructose and 45 percent glucose.

ZOMG!

Wow, they actually said that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucrose

That's kinda misleading.  Should mention that sucrose is a distinct molecule of which the other two are parts.  Not some 50/50 mixture as opposed to 55/45.


It's still broken down to Glucose and Fructose in the gut, before being taken up, however, so I think the point is somewhat valid. Fructose is still worse for you, and the ratio does make a difference.
2013-01-02 02:30:01 AM  
1 votes:
Not suck in every way besides being cheap and sweet?
2013-01-02 02:21:05 AM  
1 votes:
cure diabeetus?
2013-01-02 12:51:35 AM  
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Table sugar is sucrose, which is half fructose, half glucose. High-fructose corn syrup is 55 percent fructose and 45 percent glucose.

ZOMG!


Wow, they actually said that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucrose

That's kinda misleading.  Should mention that sucrose is a distinct molecule of which the other two are parts.  Not some 50/50 mixture as opposed to 55/45.
2013-01-02 12:36:15 AM  
1 votes:
Table sugar is sucrose, which is half fructose, half glucose. High-fructose corn syrup is 55 percent fructose and 45 percent glucose.

ZOMG!
2013-01-02 12:33:19 AM  
1 votes:
Makes sodas slimy.
2013-01-02 12:00:58 AM  
1 votes:
Get it's biatch ass in the kitchen and make me a sandwich?
 
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