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2013-01-01 07:11:33 PM
I guess in episode 1 we'll have to start taking odds on which character will die in the season 1 finale.
 
2013-01-01 07:15:23 PM
Actually he's a close number two.

Number one is Agent Hill.
 
2013-01-01 07:29:54 PM
You mean Agent Sparkles?
 
2013-01-01 11:00:50 PM
You mean Agent Titty Sprinkles?

/Please greenlight this.
//Please, pleasepleasepleaseplease.
 
2013-01-02 12:03:24 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: You mean Agent Titty Sprinkles?

/Please greenlight this.
//Please, pleasepleasepleaseplease.


Is this what you were hoping for?

images.hollywood.com
 
2013-01-02 12:38:47 AM

SilentStrider: Actually he's a close number two.

Number one is Agent Hill.


HE WAS THE BEST OF US!  YOU WILL BE AVENGED!
 
2013-01-02 01:26:19 AM
S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series? (blows the dust off my TV remote)
 
2013-01-02 01:31:02 AM

Alphax: S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series? (blows the dust off my TV remote)


The Ultimate Spiderman series was actually kind of goofy fun. And it did have Agent Coulson.
 
2013-01-02 01:31:56 AM

hubiestubert: Alphax: S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series? (blows the dust off my TV remote)

The Ultimate Spiderman series was actually kind of goofy fun. And it did have Agent Coulson.


I was pleasantly surprised at Ultimate Spiderman - it was nice to see some humor & fun re-injected into comic book heroes again.
 
2013-01-02 01:33:54 AM
I was rather meh about the whole Avengers thing. It was somewhat amusing but kind of a mess.
 
2013-01-02 01:55:05 AM
Agent Coulson?

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-02 01:55:19 AM

sat1va: I was rather meh about the whole Avengers thing. It was somewhat amusing but kind of a mess.


Not as much of a mess as the last Batman film. And it was more fun.
 
2013-01-02 01:59:28 AM

Mentat: SilentStrider: Actually he's a close number two.

Number one is Agent Hill.

HE WAS THE BEST OF US!  YOU WILL BE AVENGED!


25.media.tumblr.com

/I would suck her box till her head caved in.
//Cause I'm romantical that way.
 
2013-01-02 02:03:29 AM

sat1va: I was rather meh about the whole Avengers thing. It was somewhat amusing but kind of a mess.


Those were my thoughts on it too. There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons, but they decided to destroy New York and give no-one much to do besides Iron Man and Hulk. If Coulson had to sacrifice himself, he should have done so for a less sucky movie.
 
2013-01-02 02:25:02 AM

FormlessOne: hubiestubert: Alphax: S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series? (blows the dust off my TV remote)

The Ultimate Spiderman series was actually kind of goofy fun. And it did have Agent Coulson.

I was pleasantly surprised at Ultimate Spiderman - it was nice to see some humor & fun re-injected into comic book heroes again.


Here's a joke: Doc ock is Spiderman
 
2013-01-02 02:35:56 AM

r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons


If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.
 
2013-01-02 02:38:19 AM

Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.


You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.
 
2013-01-02 02:44:21 AM
A S.H.I.E.L.D. series with no superheroes? Produced by Joss Whedon?

Ehh. That could be good, but it seems more likely that it would suck balls.
 
2013-01-02 02:48:00 AM

Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.


They all had their own solo movies for personal struggle.
 
2013-01-02 03:04:57 AM

Crudbucket: Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.

They all had their own solo movies for personal struggle.


cdn.bleacherreport.net
I don't care about their personal strugg-a-ling!
/at least not in the first ensemble film. Focus on the team, not the teammates in the first one.
 
2013-01-02 03:06:47 AM

skepticultist: A S.H.I.E.L.D. series with no superheroes? Produced by Joss Whedon?

Ehh. That could be good, but it seems more likely that it would suck balls.


A buncha scoobies saving the world?

It's kind of a Whedon staple, actually
 
2013-01-02 03:09:28 AM
It would be great if Coulson didn't die before/during that movie killing, story poisoning scene on the airship. Talk about grinding things to a standstill. At the end of that crap, I didn't care about Coulson and the Samuel L. Jackson throw away line about some trading cards, I just wanted the movie to start again.
 
2013-01-02 03:42:43 AM

gadian: It would be great if Coulson didn't die


Only 4 people ever stay dead in comics: Ben Parker, Bruce Wayne's parents, and Boston Brand.

www.themarysue.com
 
2013-01-02 04:19:15 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: gadian: It would be great if Coulson didn't die

Only 4 people ever stay dead in comics: Ben Parker, Bruce Wayne's parents, and Boston Brand.

[www.themarysue.com image 357x550]


Did you read the Brightest Day event at all? Sure, it's probably all retconned out now, but Deadman wasn't dead for all of it.
 
2013-01-02 04:47:31 AM
img502.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-02 04:50:12 AM
I'm shocked that I'm apparently the first person in this thread to say this -

Life Model Decoy.
 
2013-01-02 05:06:12 AM

simplicimus: sat1va: I was rather meh about the whole Avengers thing. It was somewhat amusing but kind of a mess.

Not as much of a mess as the last Batman film. And it was more fun.


it was boring. the first hour was unnecessary
 
2013-01-02 05:15:18 AM

Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.


meanwhile each scene had to be split equally between the leads. stark says something. cut to cap. cut to banner. cut to thor. back to stark and repeat.

The xmen movies knew how to ensemble. No one gives a shiat about that character, so no speaking parts
 
2013-01-02 05:40:25 AM
Sorry, can someone help me out here...what's the big deal with this agent Collusion fella? He's a normal human, he's not even the boss, and he gets himself killed...it's like Bobba Fet...shows up on screen for a moment and then gets his ass killed, and yet everyone goes lord gaga over him....why? Please explain.

Thanks.
 
2013-01-02 05:54:21 AM

Wolf892: Sorry, can someone help me out here...what's the big deal with this agent Collusion fella? He's a normal human, he's not even the boss, and he gets himself killed...it's like Bobba Fet...shows up on screen for a moment and then gets his ass killed, and yet everyone goes lord gaga over him....why? Please explain.

Thanks.


Well, The Avengers was his 4th movie, so it's not like he was someone new.
 
2013-01-02 05:59:09 AM

Wolf892: Sorry, can someone help me out here...what's the big deal with this agent Collusion fella? He's a normal human, he's not even the boss, and he gets himself killed...it's like Bobba Fet...shows up on screen for a moment and then gets his ass killed, and yet everyone goes lord gaga over him....why? Please explain.

Thanks.


He was in Iron Man 1&2, Thor, and Captain America. He was a tease for an eventual Avengers movie. People came to like him. Not to mention he's a righteous dude.
 
2013-01-02 06:05:51 AM
Digging through some of the related links on the site, I found a story that says early Avengers scripts had the Wasp. Link I'm not familiar with her, but I'm curious.
 
2013-01-02 06:08:55 AM
I like the girl with the boobs.
 
2013-01-02 06:28:17 AM
Look at his wee little face compared to his gigantic forehead. If I had better photoshop skills I'd have some fun with this...

i1.cdnds.net
 
2013-01-02 06:32:12 AM
25.media.tumblr.com

/I'm the first one?
//slackers
 
2013-01-02 07:13:40 AM
He's coming back as the Vision in the sequel.
 
2013-01-02 07:39:12 AM

gadian: It would be great if Coulson didn't die before/during that movie killing, story poisoning scene on the airship. Talk about grinding things to a standstill. At the end of that crap, I didn't care about Coulson and the Samuel L. Jackson throw away line about some trading cards, I just wanted the movie to start again.


Relax, he's coming back as the Vision. I called it before the movie was even released.

And Agent Sparkles is going to be the Scarlet Witch somehow.
 
2013-01-02 07:40:15 AM

TwistedFark: I'm shocked that I'm apparently the first person in this thread to say this -

Life Model Decoy.


Its why comics are really no different or better than soap operas.
 
2013-01-02 07:50:05 AM

Ishkur: And Agent Sparkles is going to be the Scarlet Witch somehow.


Maria Hill, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. becomes the Scarlet Witch, Magneto's daughter? Seems unlikely.
 
2013-01-02 07:53:26 AM

Alphax: Maria Hill, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. becomes the Scarlet Witch, Magneto's daughter? Seems unlikely.


and Ultron is nowhere to be seen. So what.

movie backstory != comics backstory
 
2013-01-02 08:30:02 AM

LDM90: Wolf892: Sorry, can someone help me out here...what's the big deal with this agent Collusion fella? He's a normal human, he's not even the boss, and he gets himself killed...it's like Bobba Fet...shows up on screen for a moment and then gets his ass killed, and yet everyone goes lord gaga over him....why? Please explain.

Thanks.

He was in Iron Man 1&2, Thor, and Captain America. He was a tease for an eventual Avengers movie. People came to like him. Not to mention he's a righteous dude.


Plus, a funny thing happened on the way toThor's hammer.
 
2013-01-02 08:36:03 AM

Ishkur: Alphax: Maria Hill, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. becomes the Scarlet Witch, Magneto's daughter? Seems unlikely.

and Ultron is nowhere to be seen. So what.

movie backstory != comics backstory


The violinist Coulson was dating seems a more likely candidate for Wanda than Maria Hill.
 
2013-01-02 08:40:12 AM
I felt it was a bad play the way Fury tried to use Coulson's death to shame Stark and Rogers into cooperating. Loki had already done most of the work getting everybody mad at him, and Fury overplayed it. He risked having some of the anger directed at him since really both Stark and Rodgers are smart enough to see through the ploy.

But it did show that Fury is certainly not perfect and was pretty desperate at that point.
 
2013-01-02 08:47:38 AM

Macular Degenerate: Look at his wee little face compared to his gigantic forehead. If I had better photoshop skills I'd have some fun with this...

[i1.cdnds.net image 300x225]


I was thinking that no photoshop was even needed. The large forehead I kinda ignored. It was the beady little eyes that seem a bit too close to each other that drew my attention.
 
2013-01-02 08:59:53 AM
LDM90: Wolf892: ...Plus, a funny thing happened on the way toThor's hammer.

That's a great clip, and the other Marvel One-Shot I found isn't bad either (The Consultant).

Writing feels almost Avengers-grade; I liked.
 
2013-01-02 09:19:03 AM

Slives: Rodgers


Packers fan?
 
2013-01-02 09:20:07 AM

SilentStrider: Actually he's a close number two.

Number one is Agent Hill.


Wow all this talk about who is the best SHIELD agent and there hasn't been a single mention of The Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson). Did Fark make some new years resolution or something?
 
2013-01-02 09:42:00 AM

Ishkur: Slives: Rodgers

Packers fan?


Ouch, spelled it right the first time at least.

/Vikings
//AP for MVP
 
2013-01-02 09:44:42 AM

mechgreg: SilentStrider: Actually he's a close number two.

Number one is Agent Hill.

Wow all this talk about who is the best SHIELD agent and there hasn't been a single mention of The Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson). Did Fark make some new years resolution or something?


Because she is the Black Widow, not Agent Romanov
 
2013-01-02 10:09:10 AM
I felt it was a bad play the way Fury tried to use Coulson's death to shame Stark and Rogers into cooperating. Loki had already done most of the work getting everybody mad at him, and Fury overplayed it. He risked having some of the anger directed at him since really both Stark and Rodgers are smart enough to see through the ploy.

I'm surprised that Roger's comment about Fury having as much blood on his hands as Loki didn't get much attention on Fark (or anywhere else for that matter).  Up to that point I thought Rogers had bought into Fury's bullshait.  It was startlingly to hear the complete opposite.

But it did show that Fury is certainly not perfect and was pretty desperate at that point.

This.
 
2013-01-02 10:15:22 AM

Mentat: SilentStrider: Actually he's a close number two.

Number one is Agent Hill.

HE WAS THE BEST OF US!  YOU WILL BE AVENGED!


24.media.tumblr.com
By Grabthar's hammer, I am not amused!
 
2013-01-02 10:16:35 AM

mechgreg: SilentStrider: Actually he's a close number two.

Number one is Agent Hill.

Wow all this talk about who is the best SHIELD agent and there hasn't been a single mention of The Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson). Did Fark make some new years resolution or something?


2.bp.blogspot.com
Better?
 
2013-01-02 10:38:29 AM

LDM90: Wolf892: Sorry, can someone help me out here...what's the big deal with this agent Collusion fella? He's a normal human, he's not even the boss, and he gets himself killed...it's like Bobba Fet...shows up on screen for a moment and then gets his ass killed, and yet everyone goes lord gaga over him....why? Please explain.

Thanks.

He was in Iron Man 1&2, Thor, and Captain America. He was a tease for an eventual Avengers movie. People came to like him. Not to mention he's a righteous dude.



The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all adore him.
 
2013-01-02 10:40:27 AM

Neeek: Ishkur: Alphax: Maria Hill, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. becomes the Scarlet Witch, Magneto's daughter? Seems unlikely.

and Ultron is nowhere to be seen. So what.

movie backstory != comics backstory

The  cellist Coulson was dating seems a more likely candidate for Wanda than Maria Hill.


FTFY
 
2013-01-02 10:53:28 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Ben Parker, Bruce Wayne's parents,


Yet both have already come back to light in reboots.
 
2013-01-02 10:55:15 AM

fusillade762: Summer Glau's Love Slave: You mean Agent Titty Sprinkles?

/Please greenlight this.
//Please, pleasepleasepleaseplease.

Is this what you were hoping for?

[images.hollywood.com image 800x1199]


Sigh, and to think: DC could've had a Wonder Woman movie with Joss directing and Cobie starring as Diana. DC, however, can not think their way out of an outhouse.
 
2013-01-02 11:03:49 AM
Does Disney own the rights to Dr. Strange and can we have a movie please?
www.comicmix.com

/End the "wasn't he the bad guy in Arkham City?" BS
//More annoying than the Green Lantern/Green Arrow/Green Hornet confusion that pervades the masses
///Sorcerer Supreme
 
2013-01-02 11:07:47 AM

Ishkur: Alphax: Maria Hill, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. becomes the Scarlet Witch, Magneto's daughter? Seems unlikely.

and Ultron is nowhere to be seen. So what.

movie backstory != comics backstory


No, wont be Hill.

And while i agree with you to a point about movie backstory != comics backstory, theres only so much backstory you can change before its not the same character anymore. If you need a lesson in that, go watch Catwoman.
 
2013-01-02 11:47:54 AM

Fano: Here's a joke: Doc ock is Spiderman


DON'T

JUST DON'T
 
2013-01-02 11:57:55 AM

Cyno01: And while i agree with you to a point about movie backstory != comics backstory, theres only so much backstory you can change before its not the same character anymore. If you need a lesson in that, go watch Catwoman.


I agree. For a good example: X-Men: First Class.

You can tinker with it, but to a point. It seems to work best with minor heroes and not flagship products (so don't you dare make Superman a human experiment or Bruce Wayne's parents still alive or Peter Parker an alien from the planet Stickyweb).

So there is nothing wrong with making any already existing character a future Avenger and not have it violate any sacred backstory.
 
2013-01-02 12:37:34 PM
Ishkur:
You can tinker with it, but to a point. It seems to work best with minor heroes and not flagship products (so don't you dare make Superman a human experiment or Bruce Wayne's parents still alive or Peter Parker an alien from the planet Stickyweb).

How do you feel about spider totems?
 
2013-01-02 12:38:27 PM

hubiestubert: Alphax: S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series? (blows the dust off my TV remote)

The Ultimate Spiderman series was actually kind of goofy fun. And it did have Agent Coulson.


Came in here to post that! Ultimate Spiderman has been a fun watch. Doesn't take itself too seriously, but it delivers solid action and decent stories. The characters they do use are handled well, too. Also, Iron Spider!!! Anyways, yeah, Coulson is great in that show.
 
2013-01-02 12:42:07 PM

moothemagiccow: Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.

meanwhile each scene had to be split equally between the leads. stark says something. cut to cap. cut to banner. cut to thor. back to stark and repeat.

The xmen movies knew how to ensemble. No one gives a shiat about that character, so no speaking parts


You have to be trolling with that last line. You HAVE to be trolling. If not, then I have no words to express how terrible your opinion is.
 
2013-01-02 12:50:48 PM

hstein3: Ishkur:
You can tinker with it, but to a point. It seems to work best with minor heroes and not flagship products (so don't you dare make Superman a human experiment or Bruce Wayne's parents still alive or Peter Parker an alien from the planet Stickyweb).

How do you feel about spider totems?


I thought that was actually a pretty compelling story. It doesn't completely re-write the Spiderman history, it just adds focus to where there was no thought or consideration placed before. It's no more blasphemous to Spiderman than the Shadowland arc was to Daredevil.
 
2013-01-02 01:05:54 PM

mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.

meanwhile each scene had to be split equally between the leads. stark says something. cut to cap. cut to banner. cut to thor. back to stark and repeat.

The xmen movies knew how to ensemble. No one gives a shiat about that character, so no speaking parts

You have to be trolling with that last line. You HAVE to be trolling. If not, then I have no words to express how terrible your opinion is.


In agreement with mooseyfate.
 
2013-01-02 01:53:30 PM
hubiestubert: Alphax: mooseyfate:S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series? (blows the dust off my TV remote)

The Ultimate Spiderman series was actually kind of goofy fun. And it did have Agent Coulson.

Came in here to post that! Ultimate Spiderman has been a fun watch. Doesn't take itself too seriously, but it delivers solid action and decent stories. The characters they do use are handled well, too. Also, Iron Spider!!! Anyways, yeah, Coulson is great in that show.


Here's another vote for The Ultimate Spiderman:  Good action, good wit and Coulson is great.

It's also one of the few incarnations of Spiderman in which Aunt Mae is cool.
 
2013-01-02 02:25:22 PM

TwistedFark: I'm shocked that I'm apparently the first person in this thread to say this -

Life Model Decoy.



I've thought that as well.
 
2013-01-02 02:28:24 PM

SilentStrider: TwistedFark: I'm shocked that I'm apparently the first person in this thread to say this -

Life Model Decoy.


I've thought that as well.


And we know they exist in that universe.

Agent Phil Coulson: [Over telephone] Mr Stark, we need to talk.
Tony Stark: You have reached the life model decoy of Tony Stark, please leave a message.
Agent Phil Coulson: This is urgent.
Tony Stark: Then leave it urgently.
 
2013-01-02 02:44:48 PM

Cyno01: SilentStrider: TwistedFark: I'm shocked that I'm apparently the first person in this thread to say this -

Life Model Decoy.


I've thought that as well.

And we know they exist in that universe.

Agent Phil Coulson: [Over telephone] Mr Stark, we need to talk.
Tony Stark: You have reached the life model decoy of Tony Stark, please leave a message.
Agent Phil Coulson: This is urgent.
Tony Stark: Then leave it urgently.


Isn't it possible that that's a throwaway line, the kind both Stark and Downey Jr are notorious for? I know, this is Marvel, so any retarded-ass "we have to get him from 'dead' to 'alive', so even if we have to have Captain Marvel, Bucky Barnes' spirit and Master Splinter fight Mecha-Satan on Phobos while The Punisher, Serpentor and Mr Mxpytzlyk rescue Phil Coulson from a mirror-world filled with oral surgeons, dammit, we're going balls-deep!" but leave him the fark alone.

If, in Avengers 2: Revenge of the Avengerening, you absolutely must address your Coulson-boner, studio-people, do it in flashback. Perhaps one of the fifty times he was on screen for a one-liner, the shot cut before he said something like "The secret to defeating Galactus is to put a 1930 double-struck Lincoln penny at Earth's magnetic North Pole during a solar eclipse."
 
2013-01-02 03:56:08 PM

Dr Dreidel: Cyno01: SilentStrider: TwistedFark: I'm shocked that I'm apparently the first person in this thread to say this -

Life Model Decoy.


I've thought that as well.

And we know they exist in that universe.

Agent Phil Coulson: [Over telephone] Mr Stark, we need to talk.
Tony Stark: You have reached the life model decoy of Tony Stark, please leave a message.
Agent Phil Coulson: This is urgent.
Tony Stark: Then leave it urgently.

Isn't it possible that that's a throwaway line, the kind both Stark and Downey Jr are notorious for? I know, this is Marvel, so any retarded-ass "we have to get him from 'dead' to 'alive', so even if we have to have Captain Marvel, Bucky Barnes' spirit and Master Splinter fight Mecha-Satan on Phobos while The Punisher, Serpentor and Mr Mxpytzlyk rescue Phil Coulson from a mirror-world filled with oral surgeons, dammit, we're going balls-deep!" but leave him the fark alone.

If, in Avengers 2: Revenge of the Avengerening, you absolutely must address your Coulson-boner, studio-people, do it in flashback. Perhaps one of the fifty times he was on screen for a one-liner, the shot cut before he said something like "The secret to defeating Galactus is to put a 1930 double-struck Lincoln penny at Earth's magnetic North Pole during a solar eclipse."


The opposite of your initial question is: Isn't it possible they intended the Vision angle for the Son of Coul from the get go? I mean, they obviously put enough thought into the bigger picture of the marvel movie continuity, so is it really that big of a stretch to at least assume they have something larger planned for the character? It doesn't have to be all cloak and dagger and tinfoil hats. Sometimes things just seem likely.
 
2013-01-02 04:10:07 PM

clintster: mechgreg: SilentStrider: Actually he's a close number two.

Number one is Agent Hill.

Wow all this talk about who is the best SHIELD agent and there hasn't been a single mention of The Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson). Did Fark make some new years resolution or something?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 386x515]
Better?


man that wig looks like shiat
 
2013-01-02 04:11:14 PM

mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.

meanwhile each scene had to be split equally between the leads. stark says something. cut to cap. cut to banner. cut to thor. back to stark and repeat.

The xmen movies knew how to ensemble. No one gives a shiat about that character, so no speaking parts

You have to be trolling with that last line. You HAVE to be trolling. If not, then I have no words to express how terrible your opinion is.


Equal screen time! It's in my contract!
 
2013-01-02 04:34:41 PM
The Avengers was good, but it felt like it was a bit focused on "quantity over quality" at times. The best characters were Fury and Bruce Banner, and they never had enough screen time. They had to share too much with characters like Black Widow and Hawkeye who were (sorry) flat-out boring.

Still, I'm looking forward to the sequel.
 
2013-01-02 04:36:24 PM

mooseyfate: hstein3: Ishkur:
You can tinker with it, but to a point. It seems to work best with minor heroes and not flagship products (so don't you dare make Superman a human experiment or Bruce Wayne's parents still alive or Peter Parker an alien from the planet Stickyweb).

How do you feel about spider totems?

I thought that was actually a pretty compelling story. It doesn't completely re-write the Spiderman history, it just adds focus to where there was no thought or consideration placed before. It's no more blasphemous to Spiderman than the Shadowland arc was to Daredevil.


I'm ashamed to admit I liked the spider totem stuff. It's totaaly ignorable, but it added an interesting dimension. Now, his mentor turning out to be.... Well, like every other mentor Peter ever gets...
 
2013-01-02 04:51:38 PM

Dr Dreidel: Cyno01: SilentStrider: TwistedFark: I'm shocked that I'm apparently the first person in this thread to say this -

Life Model Decoy.


I've thought that as well.

And we know they exist in that universe.

Agent Phil Coulson: [Over telephone] Mr Stark, we need to talk.
Tony Stark: You have reached the life model decoy of Tony Stark, please leave a message.
Agent Phil Coulson: This is urgent.
Tony Stark: Then leave it urgently.

Isn't it possible that that's a throwaway line, the kind both Stark and Downey Jr are notorious for? I know, this is Marvel, so any retarded-ass "we have to get him from 'dead' to 'alive', so even if we have to have Captain Marvel, Bucky Barnes' spirit and Master Splinter fight Mecha-Satan on Phobos while The Punisher, Serpentor and Mr Mxpytzlyk rescue Phil Coulson from a mirror-world filled with oral surgeons, dammit, we're going balls-deep!" but leave him the fark alone.

If, in Avengers 2: Revenge of the Avengerening, you absolutely must address your Coulson-boner, studio-people, do it in flashback. Perhaps one of the fifty times he was on screen for a one-liner, the shot cut before he said something like "The secret to defeating Galactus is to put a 1930 double-struck Lincoln penny at Earth's magnetic North Pole during a solar eclipse."


Yeah, about that...
 
2013-01-02 05:15:52 PM

Dr Dreidel: Isn't it possible that that's a throwaway line, the kind both Stark and Downey Jr are notorious for?


could have been.
But its a possibility that, at least to me, fits the facts at hand.
If its something else, that's cool too. Given that its Joss, if its something else, it'll be just as good.
 
2013-01-02 06:22:31 PM

moothemagiccow: mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.

meanwhile each scene had to be split equally between the leads. stark says something. cut to cap. cut to banner. cut to thor. back to stark and repeat.

The xmen movies knew how to ensemble. No one gives a shiat about that character, so no speaking parts

You have to be trolling with that last line. You HAVE to be trolling. If not, then I have no words to express how terrible your opinion is.

Equal screen time! It's in my contract!


I'm convinced that when Fox bought up the X-men rights, it came with one (1) gross of shoehorns to help them cram as many pointless characters as they could into one frame of celluloid. Don't wanna lose those rights, who gives a shiat if Arcangel is just Deus ex Machina or if Gambit is just a taxi cab driver for Wolverine, these characters are ESSENTIAL! Oh wait, they were complete throw-aways, and it doesn't even scratch the surface. Hate on the Avengers all you want, they made the X-movies look like an even bigger pile of shiat than they already were.
 
2013-01-02 06:57:37 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Does Disney own the rights to Dr. Strange and can we have a movie please?


If they wanted to make a legit Infinity Gauntlet movie...
 
2013-01-02 06:59:09 PM

Digitalstrange: mechgreg: SilentStrider: Actually he's a close number two.

Number one is Agent Hill.

Wow all this talk about who is the best SHIELD agent and there hasn't been a single mention of The Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson). Did Fark make some new years resolution or something?

Because she is the Black Widow, not Agent Romanov


"Special Agents" appear to have a different status, more autonomy to go along with their code names. Hawkeye (iirc) was referred to as "Agent Hawk (or Agent Barton)" at the beginning of the Avengers, but was treated more as an independent contractor/security consultant than a SHIELD regular.
 
2013-01-02 07:29:55 PM

Neeek: LDM90: Wolf892: Sorry, can someone help me out here...what's the big deal with this agent Collusion fella? He's a normal human, he's not even the boss, and he gets himself killed...it's like Bobba Fet...shows up on screen for a moment and then gets his ass killed, and yet everyone goes lord gaga over him....why? Please explain.

Thanks.

He was in Iron Man 1&2, Thor, and Captain America. He was a tease for an eventual Avengers movie. People came to like him. Not to mention he's a righteous dude.

Plus, a funny thing happened on the way toThor's hammer.


Funny thing, I've seen that video multiple times by this point and something just jumped out at me for the first time. (It may have been discussed elsewhere) The music in the car (and throughout the clip) is all 1940s big band music.

We all know that the Human Torch (the robotic one, and if I'm not mistaken pre-cursor to Vision) has a cameo in Captain America, so it would lend credence to the Caulson = Vision thing...but Wedon being Wedon, it could just be an intentional mind-eff
 
2013-01-02 07:54:05 PM

Dougie AXP: Neeek: LDM90: Wolf892: Sorry, can someone help me out here...what's the big deal with this agent Collusion fella? He's a normal human, he's not even the boss, and he gets himself killed...it's like Bobba Fet...shows up on screen for a moment and then gets his ass killed, and yet everyone goes lord gaga over him....why? Please explain.

Thanks.

He was in Iron Man 1&2, Thor, and Captain America. He was a tease for an eventual Avengers movie. People came to like him. Not to mention he's a righteous dude.

Plus, a funny thing happened on the way toThor's hammer.

Funny thing, I've seen that video multiple times by this point and something just jumped out at me for the first time. (It may have been discussed elsewhere) The music in the car (and throughout the clip) is all 1940s big band music.

We all know that the Human Torch (the robotic one, and if I'm not mistaken pre-cursor to Vision) has a cameo in Captain America, so it would lend credence to the Caulson = Vision thing...but Wedon being Wedon, it could just be an intentional mind-eff


Whether they do or don't the fact remains: Coulson is a cool dude.

/maybe the big band music was a CD his cellist played on?
 
2013-01-02 07:59:00 PM

Cyno01: Dr Dreidel: Cyno01: SilentStrider: TwistedFark: I'm shocked that I'm apparently the first person in this thread to say this -

Life Model Decoy.


I've thought that as well.

And we know they exist in that universe.

Agent Phil Coulson: [Over telephone] Mr Stark, we need to talk.
Tony Stark: You have reached the life model decoy of Tony Stark, please leave a message.
Agent Phil Coulson: This is urgent.
Tony Stark: Then leave it urgently.

Isn't it possible that that's a throwaway line, the kind both Stark and Downey Jr are notorious for? I know, this is Marvel, so any retarded-ass "we have to get him from 'dead' to 'alive', so even if we have to have Captain Marvel, Bucky Barnes' spirit and Master Splinter fight Mecha-Satan on Phobos while The Punisher, Serpentor and Mr Mxpytzlyk rescue Phil Coulson from a mirror-world filled with oral surgeons, dammit, we're going balls-deep!" but leave him the fark alone.

If, in Avengers 2: Revenge of the Avengerening, you absolutely must address your Coulson-boner, studio-people, do it in flashback. Perhaps one of the fifty times he was on screen for a one-liner, the shot cut before he said something like "The secret to defeating Galactus is to put a 1930 double-struck Lincoln penny at Earth's magnetic North Pole during a solar eclipse."

Yeah, about that...


The Winter Soldier storyline was a good one. Predictable as hell, but still a damn good arc that really brought Captain America out of the past and into the present day. I'm glad they chose that as the basis for the next movie. It'll open the character up much more for Avengers 2.

/how did I go from hating Chris Evans as the Human Torch to loving Chris Evans as Captain America?
//WTF is that shiat?
 
2013-01-02 08:59:54 PM

Dr Dreidel: Cyno01: SilentStrider: TwistedFark:

Isn't it possible that that's a throwaway line, the kind both Stark and Downey Jr are notorious for? I know, this is Marvel, so any retarded-ass "we have to get him from 'dead' to 'alive', so even if we have to have Captain Marvel, Bucky Barnes' spirit and Master Splinter fight Mecha-Satan on Phobos while The Punisher, Serpentor and Mr Mxpytzlyk rescue Phil Coulson from a mirror-world filled with oral surgeons, dammit, we're going balls-deep!" but leave him the fark alone.



i would watch this twice.
 
2013-01-02 09:41:15 PM

mooseyfate: Dougie AXP: Neeek: LDM90: Wolf892: Sorry, can someone help me out here...what's the big deal with this agent Collusion fella? He's a normal human, he's not even the boss, and he gets himself killed...it's like Bobba Fet...shows up on screen for a moment and then gets his ass killed, and yet everyone goes lord gaga over him....why? Please explain.

Thanks.

He was in Iron Man 1&2, Thor, and Captain America. He was a tease for an eventual Avengers movie. People came to like him. Not to mention he's a righteous dude.

Plus, a funny thing happened on the way toThor's hammer.

Funny thing, I've seen that video multiple times by this point and something just jumped out at me for the first time. (It may have been discussed elsewhere) The music in the car (and throughout the clip) is all 1940s big band music.

We all know that the Human Torch (the robotic one, and if I'm not mistaken pre-cursor to Vision) has a cameo in Captain America, so it would lend credence to the Caulson = Vision thing...but Wedon being Wedon, it could just be an intentional mind-eff

Whether they do or don't the fact remains: Coulson is a cool dude.

/maybe the big band music was a CD his cellist played on?


Damn cellist moving back to Oregon.
 
2013-01-02 10:25:35 PM

limeyfellow: Mentat: SilentStrider: Actually he's a close number two.

Number one is Agent Hill.

HE WAS THE BEST OF US!  YOU WILL BE AVENGED!

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By Grabthar's hammer, I am not amused!


By Grabthar's Hammer, what a savings.
 
2013-01-02 10:34:02 PM

mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.

meanwhile each scene had to be split equally between the leads. stark says something. cut to cap. cut to banner. cut to thor. back to stark and repeat.

The xmen movies knew how to ensemble. No one gives a shiat about that character, so no speaking parts

You have to be trolling with that last line. You HAVE to be trolling. If not, then I have no words to express how terrible your opinion is.

Equal screen time! It's in my contract!

I'm convinced that when Fox bought up the X-men rights, it came with one (1) gross of shoehorns to help them cram as many pointless characters as they could into one frame of celluloid. Don't wanna lose those rights, who gives a shiat if Arcangel is just Deus ex Machina or if Gambit is just a taxi cab driver for Wolverine, these characters are ESSENTIAL! Oh wait, they were complete throw-aways, and it doesn't even scratch the surface. Hate on the Avengers all you want, they made the X-movies look like an even bigger pile of shiat than they already were.


Gambit wasn't in the X-Men movies.
 
2013-01-02 11:17:57 PM

moothemagiccow: mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.

meanwhile each scene had to be split equally between the leads. stark says something. cut to cap. cut to banner. cut to thor. back to stark and repeat.

The xmen movies knew how to ensemble. No one gives a shiat about that character, so no speaking parts

You have to be trolling with that last line. You HAVE to be trolling. If not, then I have no words to express how terrible your opinion is.

Equal screen time! It's in my contract!

I'm convinced that when Fox bought up the X-men rights, it came with one (1) gross of shoehorns to help them cram as many pointless characters as they could into one frame of celluloid. Don't wanna lose those rights, who gives a shiat if Arcangel is just Deus ex Machina or if Gambit is just a taxi cab driver for Wolverine, these characters are ESSENTIAL! Oh wait, they were complete throw-aways, and it doesn't even scratch the surface. Hate on the Avengers all you want, they made the X-movies look like an even bigger pile of shiat than they already were.

Gambit wasn't in the X-Men movies.


Neither was Archangel. It was just plain Angel.
 
2013-01-02 11:37:07 PM

moothemagiccow: mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.

meanwhile each scene had to be split equally between the leads. stark says something. cut to cap. cut to banner. cut to thor. back to stark and repeat.

The xmen movies knew how to ensemble. No one gives a shiat about that character, so no speaking parts

You have to be trolling with that last line. You HAVE to be trolling. If not, then I have no words to express how terrible your opinion is.

Equal screen time! It's in my contract!

I'm convinced that when Fox bought up the X-men rights, it came with one (1) gross of shoehorns to help them cram as many pointless characters as they could into one frame of celluloid. Don't wanna lose those rights, who gives a shiat if Arcangel is just Deus ex Machina or if Gambit is just a taxi cab driver for Wolverine, these characters are ESSENTIAL! Oh wait, they were complete throw-aways, and it doesn't even scratch the surface. Hate on the Avengers all you want, they made the X-movies look like an even bigger pile of shiat than they already were.

Gambit wasn't in the X-Men movies.


He was in Wolverine: Origins, which I guess could technically be called an X-Men film if we're being all pedantic like.
 
2013-01-02 11:44:44 PM

moothemagiccow: Gambit wasn't in the X-Men movies.


Uh...

www.filmequals.com
 
2013-01-03 04:34:26 AM

give me doughnuts: Neeek: Ishkur: Alphax: Maria Hill, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. becomes the Scarlet Witch, Magneto's daughter? Seems unlikely.

and Ultron is nowhere to be seen. So what.

movie backstory != comics backstory

The  cellist Coulson was dating seems a more likely candidate for Wanda than Maria Hill.

FTFY


The Clint/Phil shippers are convinced the cellist was his daughter.

/tinhatters make me laugh
 
2013-01-03 09:14:05 AM

kronicfeld: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Does Disney own the rights to Dr. Strange and can we have a movie please?

If they wanted to make a legit Infinity Gauntlet movie...


The Thanos tease after Avengers made me hopeful, but I've realized no one significant has said one word about making a movie about the Doc for over a year. The biggest issue is the "audience are uninitiated" approach with superhero movies today. If you don't do an origin story (half the supposed "problem" some had with Thor) then the film is generally panned because it "didn't really make sense" or "they didn't even bother explaining ___". Being a less popular hero, and having a vast array mystic artifacts in his history/at his command leaves moviemakers with a lot more 'splainin' to do than the standard summer blockbuster demands.
 
2013-01-03 12:57:24 PM

Imperious Rex!: moothemagiccow: mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.

meanwhile each scene had to be split equally between the leads. stark says something. cut to cap. cut to banner. cut to thor. back to stark and repeat.

The xmen movies knew how to ensemble. No one gives a shiat about that character, so no speaking parts

You have to be trolling with that last line. You HAVE to be trolling. If not, then I have no words to express how terrible your opinion is.

Equal screen time! It's in my contract!

I'm convinced that when Fox bought up the X-men rights, it came with one (1) gross of shoehorns to help them cram as many pointless characters as they could into one frame of celluloid. Don't wanna lose those rights, who gives a shiat if Arcangel is just Deus ex Machina or if Gambit is just a taxi cab driver for Wolverine, these characters are ESSENTIAL! Oh wait, they were complete throw-aways, and it doesn't even scratch the surface. Hate on the Avengers all you want, they made the X-movies look like an even bigger pile of shiat than they already were.

Gambit wasn't in the X-Men movies.

He was in Wolverine: Origins, which I guess could technically be called an X-Men film if we're being all pedantic like.


I didn't say X-Men movies. I said X-movies. As in Fox' shiatty X-Movies. The title of the movie was "X-men Origins: Wolverine". Pedantic or not, those movies suck bloody dick and completely mishandle pretty much every character they forced into them. As opposed to the Avengers and the Marvel movie continuity in general, which makes pretty solid use of pretty much all characters they put in the movies. But Joss Whedon hate, so whatever.
 
2013-01-03 01:01:52 PM

Vash's Apprentice: moothemagiccow: mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: mooseyfate: moothemagiccow: Alphax: Gunther: r1niceboy: There was so much scope for a well crafted story with various characters exorcising various demons

If you were actually expecting this to happen in a superhero team-up holiday blockbuster, it's you who's the idiot, not them.

You'd have to at least double the length of the movie to have each hero have that much personal struggle onscreen.

meanwhile each scene had to be split equally between the leads. stark says something. cut to cap. cut to banner. cut to thor. back to stark and repeat.

The xmen movies knew how to ensemble. No one gives a shiat about that character, so no speaking parts

You have to be trolling with that last line. You HAVE to be trolling. If not, then I have no words to express how terrible your opinion is.

Equal screen time! It's in my contract!

I'm convinced that when Fox bought up the X-men rights, it came with one (1) gross of shoehorns to help them cram as many pointless characters as they could into one frame of celluloid. Don't wanna lose those rights, who gives a shiat if Arcangel is just Deus ex Machina or if Gambit is just a taxi cab driver for Wolverine, these characters are ESSENTIAL! Oh wait, they were complete throw-aways, and it doesn't even scratch the surface. Hate on the Avengers all you want, they made the X-movies look like an even bigger pile of shiat than they already were.

Gambit wasn't in the X-Men movies.

Neither was Archangel. It was just plain Angel.


Archangel, Angel, Anglegrinder Man, either way the character could have been literally any other flight powered mutant and the end result would have been the same: Terrible farking movie.

They made some solid casting decisions with McKellan, Steward, Jackman, Page, and Grammar, but the movies as a whole...well, if you can't tell how I feel about them already, another rant won't fix that.
 
2013-01-03 03:10:22 PM

Fano: Here's a joke: Doc ock is Spiderman


the punchline is an exec(s) and editor(s) at marvel/disney thought it was an interesting idea.

/wonder if they'll end up with kaine taking over the mask.
//only reason i can think of as to why scarlet spider was reintroduced.
 
2013-01-03 03:33:07 PM

Red_Fox: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Ben Parker, Bruce Wayne's parents,

Yet both have already come back to light in reboots.


Actually there was a decent "What If" for Marvel where Ben Parker lived but Aunt May died. Sort of an MIB III thing in that "where there is death, there will always be death," and as a result Peter goes wicked pissah and does bad stuff with his powers. Ben tries to take the blame for it, but Peter stops him, and ends up time in prison. Once Peter gets out Uncle Ben becomes his Oracle, guiding him in future crimefighting work. Good story.

I'm trying to forget the Zur-En-Ah Batman story, and Boston Brand did come back for a time as a White Lantern.
 
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