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2013-01-01 05:02:35 PM  
The first rule of Recreational Marijuana Club is...
 
2013-01-01 05:22:48 PM  
"Wow man have you seen the keys anywhere?" "No man I think Squeeky must have'em." "Dude I guess we're closed, what a bumper."
 
2013-01-01 05:55:19 PM  
As much as I dislike potheads, it sounds like they were properly organized and on the legal up and up.  They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 05:59:08 PM  
They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.

Landlord wins by citing federal law saying he can't let his property be used for illegal drugs. He can legitimately say he risks losing his property by renting it out for drug sales or use. In my area the feds are trying to seize a motel because it was the local place to go for drugs. (story) See also RAVE act.
 
2013-01-01 06:22:16 PM  

ZAZ: They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.

Landlord wins by citing federal law saying he can't let his property be used for illegal drugs. He can legitimately say he risks losing his property by renting it out for drug sales or use. In my area the feds are trying to seize a motel because it was the local place to go for drugs. (story) See also RAVE act.


Only I read yesterday that the club was legal because they weren't selling weed or food or drink on the premises. But whatever. They'll open again somewhere else.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 06:41:42 PM  

According to the Denver Post article

Lovato's business model called for having a storefront where customers could buy coffee, T-shirts and other items and then a private building next door where they could smoke free samples of marijuana.
Giving samples is distribution, which is illegal. Letting people use your building for illegal drugs is also illegal. Giving somebody directions to his club might even be illegal, aiding and abetting a drug crime.
 
2013-01-01 06:50:00 PM  

ZAZ: They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.

Landlord wins by citing federal law saying he can't let his property be used for illegal drugs. He can legitimately say he risks losing his property by renting it out for drug sales or use. In my area the feds are trying to seize a motel because it was the local place to go for drugs. (story) See also RAVE act.



Oh, this IS sweet.

From you link:

QUOTE

The DEA set the U.S. attorney into motion. It has a special agent here in Boston who seeks out targets for forfeiture.

Civil Forfeiture

"As he describes his job, he looks through the newspapers and looks at the Internet, looking for news stories of properties that might be forfeitable and brings them to the attention of the U.S. attorney," Caswell's attorney, Larry Salzman, said.

According to the agent's sworn testimony, he then goes to the Registry of Deeds to determine the value of the targeted property. The DEA rejects anything with less than $50,000 equity.

In the case of the Caswell, the agent saw its worth close to $1.5 million with no mortgage. That made it a fat target for the U.S. attorney, says another of Caswell's lawyers, Scott Bullock.


END QUOTE

They're looking for any excuse to seize property under the guise of the Drug War, and they don't give a shiat whether the property owners are guilty or not. They just want to steal property (but only if it's valuable enough to make it worth their trouble).

If anyone EVER wondered whether the War On Drugs, the DEA (and the farking Federal Government in general) have the "best interests" of the People of the US at heart, read that farking article.


/Ready to give up your guns, yet?
//Land of the Free
///Pukes
 
2013-01-01 06:55:43 PM  

ZAZ: According to the Denver Post article
Lovato's business model called for having a storefront where customers could buy coffee, T-shirts and other items and then a private building next door where they could smoke free samples of marijuana.Giving samples is distribution, which is illegal. Letting people use your building for illegal drugs is also illegal. Giving somebody directions to his club might even be illegal, aiding and abetting a drug crime.


Wow you wouldn't have the address there or anything, I mean like I'm not going there I just want to know how to avoid the place or maybe just a phone number cause like really I'm trying to AVOID the place. Man what a bumper they stopped making twinkies I'm so bumped up. Is Star Trek on tonight? Oh yea I got some petetions for the November 2012 elections to turn in, later dud
 
2013-01-01 07:00:22 PM  

ZAZ: According to the Denver Post article
Lovato's business model called for having a storefront where customers could buy coffee, T-shirts and other items and then a private building next door where they could smoke free samples of marijuana.Giving samples is distribution, which is illegal. Letting people use your building for illegal drugs is also illegal. Giving somebody directions to his club might even be illegal, aiding and abetting a drug crime.



Legalities aside, the landlord had EVERY reason to fear that he'd lose his property - not because HE committed any crime, but because the Feds have become a muscle racket.

The War On Drugs is about money and POWER, and the Feds aren't going to let this shiat stand.

/Prad 2 b 'Mericun
 
2013-01-01 07:07:45 PM  

Amos Quito: ZAZ: They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.

Landlord wins by citing federal law saying he can't let his property be used for illegal drugs. He can legitimately say he risks losing his property by renting it out for drug sales or use. In my area the feds are trying to seize a motel because it was the local place to go for drugs. (story) See also RAVE act.


Oh, this IS sweet.

From you link:

QUOTE

The DEA set the U.S. attorney into motion. It has a special agent here in Boston who seeks out targets for forfeiture.

Civil Forfeiture

"As he describes his job, he looks through the newspapers and looks at the Internet, looking for news stories of properties that might be forfeitable and brings them to the attention of the U.S. attorney," Caswell's attorney, Larry Salzman, said.

According to the agent's sworn testimony, he then goes to the Registry of Deeds to determine the value of the targeted property. The DEA rejects anything with less than $50,000 equity.

In the case of the Caswell, the agent saw its worth close to $1.5 million with no mortgage. That made it a fat target for the U.S. attorney, says another of Caswell's lawyers, Scott Bullock.

END QUOTE

They're looking for any excuse to seize property under the guise of the Drug War, and they don't give a shiat whether the property owners are guilty or not. They just want to steal property (but only if it's valuable enough to make it worth their trouble).

If anyone EVER wondered whether the War On Drugs, the DEA (and the farking Federal Government in general) have the "best interests" of the People of the US at heart, read that farking article.


/Ready to give up your guns, yet?
//Land of the Free
///Pukes


Finally a breath of fresh air. Money equals power and ALL the government wants is more power. Thanks for the info.
 
2013-01-01 07:11:31 PM  

HotWingAgenda: As much as I dislike potheads, it sounds like they were properly organized and on the legal up and up.  They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.


They opened their business before the lease took effect.  That's not legal.
 
2013-01-01 07:34:57 PM  
Is Dave there?
 
2013-01-01 07:35:04 PM  
Subby, it seems that this situation has nothing to do with a pot head being a bad business person as much as it has to do with the landlord being, most likely, a right wing cocksucker.
 
2013-01-01 07:45:38 PM  

JerkyMeat: Subby, it seems that this situation has nothing to do with a pot head being a bad business person as much as it has to do with the landlord being, most likely, a right wing cocksucker.



More likely he was (rightfully) scared shiatless that US Marshalls dressed in SWAT gear would bust down the doors, seize the property and sell it off for profit.
 
2013-01-01 07:48:05 PM  
reading, how does it work?
 
2013-01-01 07:54:00 PM  
There's still Club 64.
 
2013-01-01 08:25:41 PM  

Amos Quito: According to the agent's sworn testimony, he then goes to the Registry of Deeds to determine the value of the targeted property. The DEA rejects anything with less than $50,000 equity.


And after that they have the nerve to say:

U.S. Attorney Ortiz said through a spokeswoman last week that the government wanted to send a message by going after the motel.

If you were just trying to "send a message" why the $50K limit?
 
2013-01-01 08:26:02 PM  

LordOfThePings: Is Dave there?


No.
 
2013-01-01 08:26:16 PM  

JerkyMeat: Subby, it seems that this situation has nothing to do with a pot head being a bad business person as much as it has to do with the landlord being, most likely, a right wing cocksucker.


Or someone who voted for Obama twice.
 
2013-01-01 08:44:35 PM  

ZAZ: See also RAVE act.


The RAVE act?

Thanks. Wow.

Check out the language this Federal Law.

Excerpt:

"
SEC. 3. OFFENSES.(a) IN GENERAL- Section 416(a) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 856(a)) is amended-- (1) in paragraph (1), by striking 'open or maintain any place' and inserting 'open, lease, rent, use, or maintain any place, whether permanently or temporarily,'; and (2) by striking paragraph (2) and inserting the following: '(2) manage or control any place, whether permanently or temporarily, either as an owner, lessee, agent, employee, occupant, or mortgagee, and knowingly and intentionally rent, lease, profit from, or make available for use, with or without compensation, the place for the purpose of unlawfully manufacturing, storing, distributing, or using a controlled substance.'. (b) TECHNICAL AMENDMENT- The heading to section 416 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 856) is amended to read as follows: 'SEC. 416. MAINTAINING DRUG-INVOLVED PREMISES.'. (c) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- The table of contents to title II of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse and Prevention Act of 1970 is amended by striking the item relating to section 416 and inserting the following: 'Sec. 416. Maintaining drug-involved premises.'.

END QUOTE

Weed is still a "controlled substance" at the Federal level, and they could easily (and quite profitably) make the lives of private citizens very miserable as these states struggle to come to grips with the logistics of their insurrection. All they have to do is start seizing property from anyone who is in any way involved in the distribution OR use.

From above: "unlawfully manufacturing, storing, distributing, or using a controlled substance.  Under this language, if the landlord knew that such activity might take place and leased the property, HE would be found in violation of the RAVE act, and would be subject to any and all punishments and/or forfeitures spelled out by the law.

CO and WA just "legalized" the ganja, but can they prevent the Feds from enforcing Federal law?

Could the Feds actually do this? Do they have the money and the resources?

Well, given the amount of valuable real estate and property that would be confiscated and sold under the law, they could hire thousands of additional personnel and still turn a tidy profit.

Looks like the Feds have a rabbit or two in their hats, should they decide to stomp out this "legalized weed" nonsense and put those uppity States and their insolent People back in their place.

But would the current administration actually ENFORCE such draconian measures to stomp out this disrespectful insurrection?

Would they actually DO such things?

upload.wikimedia.org
The "RAVE Act". Meet its babydaddy


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reducing_Americans%27_Vulnerability_to_ Ec stasy_Act
 
2013-01-01 10:23:03 PM  

maxalt: ZAZ: According to the Denver Post article
Lovato's business model called for having a storefront where customers could buy coffee, T-shirts and other items and then a private building next door where they could smoke free samples of marijuana.Giving samples is distribution, which is illegal. Letting people use your building for illegal drugs is also illegal. Giving somebody directions to his club might even be illegal, aiding and abetting a drug crime.

Wow you wouldn't have the address there or anything, I mean like I'm not going there I just want to know how to avoid the place or maybe just a phone number cause like really I'm trying to AVOID the place. Man what a bumper they stopped making twinkies I'm so bumped up. Is Star Trek on tonight? Oh yea I got some petetions for the November 2012 elections to turn in, later dud


Why do you keep saying "bumper"? Don't you mean "bummer?"
 
2013-01-01 10:32:18 PM  

ZAZ: They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.

Landlord wins by citing federal law saying he can't let his property be used for illegal drugs. He can legitimately say he risks losing his property by renting it out for drug sales or use. In my area the feds are trying to seize a motel because it was the local place to go for drugs. (story) See also RAVE act.


That's how they're shutting down the dispensaries in California.  Threatening to confiscate an entire complex under drug forfeiture laws, if a single unit is rented out to a dispensary.
 
2013-01-01 10:47:49 PM  

ShawnDoc: ZAZ: They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.

Landlord wins by citing federal law saying he can't let his property be used for illegal drugs. He can legitimately say he risks losing his property by renting it out for drug sales or use. In my area the feds are trying to seize a motel because it was the local place to go for drugs. (story) See also RAVE act.

That's how they're shutting down the dispensaries in California.  Threatening to confiscate an entire complex under drug forfeiture laws, if a single unit is rented out to a dispensary.



Aye.

And if you're renting an apartment, and your landlord smells the "craziness", what is (s)he to do?

Risk losing the property to "forfeiture"?
 
2013-01-01 11:02:17 PM  
The club will be fine. The location of the club will change. The pay to play charges will still most likely continue to be $29.99, bring your own. Pioneering in the legalized pot biz; Not a bad way to try to earn a legal buck.
 
2013-01-01 11:02:48 PM  

GAT_00: HotWingAgenda: As much as I dislike potheads, it sounds like they were properly organized and on the legal up and up.  They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.

They opened their business before the lease took effect.  That's not legal.


Someone isn't in real estate, I assume? Thanks for the hurr durr.
 
2013-01-01 11:03:03 PM  
www1.cuny.edu
DUDE!
 
2013-01-01 11:08:25 PM  
i291.photobucket.com

OPEN THE F'n GATE!!

/watch out for the semi-conscious Gloria
 
2013-01-01 11:08:48 PM  

Coco LaFemme: maxalt: ZAZ: According to the Denver Post article
Lovato's business model called for having a storefront where customers could buy coffee, T-shirts and other items and then a private building next door where they could smoke free samples of marijuana.Giving samples is distribution, which is illegal. Letting people use your building for illegal drugs is also illegal. Giving somebody directions to his club might even be illegal, aiding and abetting a drug crime.

Wow you wouldn't have the address there or anything, I mean like I'm not going there I just want to know how to avoid the place or maybe just a phone number cause like really I'm trying to AVOID the place. Man what a bumper they stopped making twinkies I'm so bumped up. Is Star Trek on tonight? Oh yea I got some petetions for the November 2012 elections to turn in, later dud

Why do you keep saying "bumper"? Don't you mean "bummer?"


I'm not saying potheads are bad at spelling, but...
 
2013-01-01 11:09:13 PM  
For all anyone knows the landlord might have language written in the lease regarding drugs, or at least what actions can cancel a lease. But it didn't help the renter's cause that he opened the place before the lease took effect.
 
2013-01-01 11:12:19 PM  
There was a story on one of the Denver local news shows about this place opening during its 10pm broadcast. One of the people they interviewed was Rob Correy, one of the more prolific activist ganja lawers here in town. I think he has been working alot on CA as well for what its worth. Anyways, during the interview he was speaking about the 'club' and it sounded like he had a vested intererest in it. Sounded like maybe he was an investor, or maybe just part of the 'team' as a big lawyer with a hefty retainer.

Looking at it now, he wins either way. They let the place roll on and he wins. They shut the place down and he wins. Check-mate.
 
2013-01-01 11:13:16 PM  

skinink: For all anyone knows the landlord might have language written in the lease regarding drugs, or at least what actions can cancel a lease. But it didn't help the renter's cause that he opened the place before the lease took effect.


You can have early occupancy and be up and running immediately. Lease commencement doesn't have anything to do with this.
 
2013-01-01 11:15:13 PM  
Dogbert could help them.

dilbert.com
 
2013-01-01 11:16:28 PM  
They can and will pretty much take anything they want from you. I got picked up on solicitation a few years ago. They took my computer (used it to find the ad), my cell phone (used it to call and set up an appointment), and took my car (drove it to the hotel). All for a $100 bj. Fark the hell out of them stealing your property for "crimes"
 
2013-01-01 11:17:27 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Coco LaFemme: maxalt: ZAZ: According to the Denver Post article
Lovato's business model called for having a storefront where customers could buy coffee, T-shirts and other items and then a private building next door where they could smoke free samples of marijuana.Giving samples is distribution, which is illegal. Letting people use your building for illegal drugs is also illegal. Giving somebody directions to his club might even be illegal, aiding and abetting a drug crime.

Wow you wouldn't have the address there or anything, I mean like I'm not going there I just want to know how to avoid the place or maybe just a phone number cause like really I'm trying to AVOID the place. Man what a bumper they stopped making twinkies I'm so bumped up. Is Star Trek on tonight? Oh yea I got some petetions for the November 2012 elections to turn in, later dud

Why do you keep saying "bumper"? Don't you mean "bummer?"

I'm not saying potheads are bad at spelling, but...



Those are not misspellings.

They're Herbonics.
 
2013-01-01 11:17:57 PM  
DAMN YOU, LANDLORDS!!! i56.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-01 11:18:51 PM  
Lovato said that when his landlord saw the publicity about the club, he canceled the lease before it took effect.

I applaud the author's use of the one 'l' "canceled". People who use the two 'l' "cancelled" are getting far to prevalent and we simply don't have the funds in this economy to stamp them out for good.

Also, Breakfast at Tiffany's starring Mary Tyler Moore in 1966 closed after only 4 previews and never even made it to opening night.
 
2013-01-01 11:21:16 PM  
I just watched another story about this. I spelled Rob Corry incorectly, and he is the "general council" for the club.

I'm high. Sue me.
 
2013-01-01 11:21:43 PM  
But I'm sure gun regulations will be very reasonable, right gun grabbers? Actually, I'm pretty sure you don't even care, it's more "neener neener neener you can't have guns anymore" than anything else; you're after political points, not safety
 
2013-01-01 11:22:52 PM  
Stoners - is there anything they CAN do?
 
2013-01-01 11:26:05 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Breakfast at Tiffany's starring Mary Tyler Moore in 1966 closed after only 4 previews and never even made it to opening night.


Wut?

Gdalescrboz:
But I'm sure gun regulations will be very reasonable, right gun grabbers? Actually, I'm pretty sure you don't even care, it's more "neener neener neener you can't have guns anymore" than anything else; you're after political points, not safety

Wut?
 
2013-01-01 11:28:49 PM  

jaytkay: Hector Remarkable: Breakfast at Tiffany's starring Mary Tyler Moore in 1966 closed after only 4 previews and never even made it to opening night.

Wut?

Gdalescrboz: But I'm sure gun regulations will be very reasonable, right gun grabbers? Actually, I'm pretty sure you don't even care, it's more "neener neener neener you can't have guns anymore" than anything else; you're after political points, not safety

Wut?


I'm not saying potheads can't keep their minds on one topic for very long but the Steelers aren't going to the Superbowl this year.
 
2013-01-01 11:29:37 PM  

boozerman: They can and will pretty much take anything they want from you. I got picked up on solicitation a few years ago. They took my computer (used it to find the ad), my cell phone (used it to call and set up an appointment), and took my car (drove it to the hotel). All for a $100 bj. Fark the hell out of them stealing your property for "crimes"


The lessons there are to use a library, pay phone, and a bus.
 
2013-01-01 11:29:42 PM  

HotWingAgenda: As much as I dislike potheads, it sounds like they were properly organized and on the legal up and up.  They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.


Why do you dislike potheads? Not saying I like them, but would rather meet a pothead on the road, then a drunk...

Came here to say sounds like they might have legal recourse. See that you covered it.
 
2013-01-01 11:33:13 PM  

Gdalescrboz: But I'm sure gun regulations will be very reasonable, right gun grabbers? Actually, I'm pretty sure you don't even care, it's more "neener neener neener you can't have guns anymore" than anything else; you're after political points, not safety


You just went full retard. Not tropic thunder full retard, but SkinnyHead during election season retard. That takes skill, man.
 
2013-01-01 11:33:45 PM  
The only thing that will stop a bad guy with pot, is a good guy with pot.
 
2013-01-01 11:34:36 PM  

Amos Quito: /Ready to give up your guns, yet?
//Land of the Free
///Pukes


If there was a revolution it should've started a solid 12 years ago when SCOTUS elected the President or a few years later when that same guy decided to kill a half million people for no reason.

Going after pot landlords is chump change.
 
2013-01-01 11:34:53 PM  

JerkyMeat: Subby, it seems that this situation has nothing to do with a pot head being a bad business person as much as it has to do with the landlord being, most likely, a right wing cocksucker.


Or it could be the fact that the feds could seize his land for running a drug operation off it with his full knowledge and permission, and that despite state legality, the feds still consider pot the Debil Weed that causes murder, mayhem, and teen pregnancy.
 
2013-01-01 11:35:11 PM  

boozerman: They can and will pretty much take anything they want from you. I got picked up on solicitation a few years ago. They took my computer (used it to find the ad), my cell phone (used it to call and set up an appointment), and took my car (drove it to the hotel). All for a $100 bj. Fark the hell out of them stealing your property for "crimes"


well that really changed the tone and tempo of the thread...
who pays 100 for a bj?
like... dinner at a decent place would be 45-65.
hell, you can pull one for a movie at 24 bucks, maybe ten more for snacks.
kids these days.
 
2013-01-01 11:36:50 PM  

Gdalescrboz: But I'm sure gun regulations will be very reasonable, right gun grabbers? Actually, I'm pretty sure you don't even care, it's more "neener neener neener you can't have guns anymore" than anything else; you're after political points, not safety


I really don't. You didn't care about the steady escalation of every airline passenger from innocent citizen to suspected criminal, why should I give a fark about something I never wanted?
 
2013-01-01 11:36:59 PM  

BummerDuck: HotWingAgenda: As much as I dislike potheads, it sounds like they were properly organized and on the legal up and up.  They should be able to sue the landlord for screwing them over.

Why do you dislike potheads? Not saying I like them, but would rather meet a pothead on the road, then a drunk...

Came here to say sounds like they might have legal recourse. See that you covered it.


the worst i did driving stoned was... obey all the laws, if not 2 under the speedo.
drunk?
well... lets just say im lucky to be alive.
 
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