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2013-01-01 08:34:06 PM

mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?


This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2013-01-01 08:36:55 PM

NateGrey: mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?

This is what Republicans actually believe.


doesn't even make any sense, Nate. You should have made a resolution to be funny for 2013
 
2013-01-01 08:39:04 PM
Across the board tax hikes and blame it on the Republicans.

Obama, Reid and Pelosi are wetting themselves.

It's the wetoldthemitwouldtrickledown.jpg moment Dem style.

Get your wallet out.
 
2013-01-01 08:39:27 PM
House Rules Committee is moving the bill to the House floor.

Up-or-down vote coming tonight.

Start making popcorn now, folks.
 
2013-01-01 08:39:56 PM

OgreMagi: eiger: It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money.

People who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation


So where is it?
 
2013-01-01 08:40:01 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Smackledorfer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Smackledorfer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.

If someone older than you says that to you do you admit you are wrong and change your mind?

And if someone called you cute would you admit you were wrong and change your mind sir white knight?

You aren't very bright.

My God, you must have been brilliant on your HS debate team.


Dont worry, you will grow up and be on a hs debate team yourself before you know it..
 
2013-01-01 08:40:34 PM
Rep. Jim McGovern @RepMcGovern
Rules Comm just approved a closed rule to bring Senate-passed #fiscalcliff deal to floor. Vote currently expected at about 9:30.
 
2013-01-01 08:42:14 PM

OgreMagi: eiger: It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money.

People who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation


We are in no danger of hyperinflation.

Is this a real argument of yours or just you playing that horrible inept-devil's advocate game you like?
 
2013-01-01 08:42:44 PM
Are they 'truly' going to do this? Did Boehner somehow whip the Tea Derpers into line? How? Are they still defiantly refusing to go along with it?

We need to know these things!
 
2013-01-01 08:44:09 PM

Infernalist: Are they 'truly' going to do this? Did Boehner somehow whip the Tea Derpers into line? How? Are they still defiantly refusing to go along with it?

We need to know these things!


Sounds like he's going against the Hastert Rule and bringing it up knowing the majority of GOP reps will vote against it.

He must be tired of being Speaker.
 
2013-01-01 08:44:18 PM
Dammit, Boehner actually managed to talk them into an unedited bill.
 
2013-01-01 08:46:03 PM

ariseatex: Infernalist: Are they 'truly' going to do this? Did Boehner somehow whip the Tea Derpers into line? How? Are they still defiantly refusing to go along with it?

We need to know these things!

Sounds like he's going against the Hastert Rule and bringing it up knowing the majority of GOP reps will vote against it.

He must be tired of being Speaker.


Oh, this is better than I imagined. An open split in the GOP, an abandoning of the Hastert Rule and the long knives are going to come out soon. I cannot wait to hear what the Tea Derpers and Cantor have to say.
 
2013-01-01 08:48:40 PM
ok, so will somebody more astute than i at this stuff greenlight an article explaining what's happened / is going to happen or at least drop a paragraph or two of explanatory text into this thread. thanx.
 
2013-01-01 08:48:42 PM

ariseatex: House Rules Committee is moving the bill to the House floor.

Up-or-down vote coming tonight.

Start making popcorn now, folks.


Fun times.
 
2013-01-01 08:48:42 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: djkutch: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.

I understand alright. I understand that nothing will get done as long as the Tea Party controls the House.

OK, so let's say this tax increase goes through and we now have covered 7% of the annual deficit covered. Let's even say we double it and now cover 15%.

Where's the rest come from? You've still got $850 million a year to deal with and that's before the ACA starts adding to the deficit.

Do you see any scenario in which you personally would sacrifice something whether it's additional taxes or delayed eligibility for SocSec or MCare?

Personally, I think cuts to entitlements are necessary.

Telling that you didn't throw military cuts into the mix. We're farked the longest and hardest there.

I did in another post (throw military in)


Apologies, then.

Military cuts should come first and foremost.

Sorry your business model didn't count on reducing the military industrial complex.

Let's start with say 50 embassies. Especially in countries with casinos.
 
2013-01-01 08:53:44 PM
Wonder if he grew a pair and said "anyone that votes against this can call themselves an independent immediately after the vote"
 
2013-01-01 08:55:01 PM
What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.
 
2013-01-01 08:58:20 PM

nobodyUwannaknow: What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.


It is stupid, IMHO.
 
2013-01-01 08:58:49 PM

nobodyUwannaknow: What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.


Requires a majority of the majority.
 
2013-01-01 08:59:07 PM

nobodyUwannaknow: What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.


GAH, Preview is my friend.
 
2013-01-01 09:01:54 PM

ariseatex: House Rules Committee is moving the bill to the House floor.

Up-or-down vote coming tonight.

Start making popcorn now, folks.


thanks ariseatex.
 
2013-01-01 09:05:01 PM

skullkrusher: NateGrey: mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?

This is what Republicans actually believe.

doesn't even make any sense, Nate. You should have made a resolution to be funny for 2013


Nice to see the potato contingent is here. It's been fun laughing at you Republicans. You guys are pretty dumb.
 
2013-01-01 09:05:57 PM

Infernalist: ariseatex: Sounds like he's going against the Hastert Rule and bringing it up knowing the majority of GOP reps will vote against it.
He must be tired of being Speaker.

Oh, this is better than I imagined. An open split in the GOP, an abandoning of the Hastert Rule and the long knives are going to come out soon. I cannot wait to hear what the Tea Derpers and Cantor have to say.



It's downright surreal over at Freeperville this evening. They don't even have the heart to sound angry right now. Just resigned to whatever happens as the "GOP-e" sells them down the river.

Even Cantor, following his attempt at obstruction with Boehner, is getting labeled a two-faced betrayer of the cause who's only taking the opportunity to get some political cover.

/always get a little nervous, when fanatics go all quiet-like
 
2013-01-01 09:06:05 PM
Krauthammer on Fox sounding so defeated.

Republican tears are awesome.
 
2013-01-01 09:06:43 PM
What exactly is the House GOP objection?

A tax increase? We are over the cliff. Tax rates have gone up. The Senate bill that has been sent to you reduces taxes. For every taxpayer. You guys claim to be *for* tax relief, remember? Why would you not vote for a bill that reduces taxes?

Because it doesn't lower them as much as you would like? It doesn't mandate a pony for every member of Congress? Insert "enemy of the good" and "gift horse in the mouth" type adages here. Your realistic alternative isn't a new pony, it is being held responsible for obstructing everyone's tax relief.

Because it doesn't include spending cuts? Part of the deal is leaving large automatic spending cuts pending. They will automatically happen very soon--unless you decide you don't want them to. (Bonus, you're going to have a chance to put a debt-limit gun to the country's head again.) You do want them to happen, right? Because you can block any move to reduce those spending cuts about as easily as you can block this tax reduction package. It just won't be quite so politically toxic to do that. (Technically you have slightly more clout right now than you will when spending cuts are considered...but also more than you will on the tax reduction issue if you punt it again.)

So what exactly is the coherent rationale for voting down the Senate proposal?

/difficulty: "If Obama's fer it, aaaaahm agin' it" doesn't count
 
2013-01-01 09:07:09 PM

NewportBarGuy: Lionel Mandrake: NewportBarGuy: They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.

Is it at least the end of the beginning?

Honestly? Yes. I think we are now safely on a several year path to unf*cking ourselves. It will be painful, but it will benefit us all and we'll be a stronger country for it. Those of us that remember these dark days will remind the younger ones of how not to handle the running of the country. Or... we just keep f*cking that chicken until the whole thing collapses. I'll be optimistic and go with the first prediction.


I disagree, I think Congress will go with the former. I think Congress will fark that chicken so hard and fill it so full of semen that it comes out through the feathers, spraying like a fountain of herpetic jism all over what was once our great nation.

/It's what the Koch brothers really want.
 
2013-01-01 09:07:09 PM
Republican lawmakers need to die. That is the only solution. Civil War
 
2013-01-01 09:07:22 PM

thecolourdead: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Maybe someday people will understand that the national budget isn't analogous to a household budget. Until then, we'll continue to see stupid farking shiat like this.


Whatever dude. The average country lives 85 years just like the average person. So their credit limit should be the same.
 
2013-01-01 09:09:00 PM
I think I'm getting ill as the realization of how close the end of our country really is

Link
 
2013-01-01 09:11:04 PM

mrshowrules: cman: mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?

No, I am attempting to point out that everyone is acting like a dick

I don't think Farkers have sworn an oath of office with a sacred duty to their constituents.  Despite that Farkers are overall less dickish than the average GOP politician.


There are actual penises that are less dickish than the average Republican politician.
 
2013-01-01 09:11:06 PM
 
2013-01-01 09:11:43 PM

NateGrey: skullkrusher: NateGrey: mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?

This is what Republicans actually believe.

doesn't even make any sense, Nate. You should have made a resolution to be funny for 2013

Nice to see the potato contingent is here. It's been fun laughing at you Republicans. You guys are pretty dumb.


I'm starting to feel bad for you, lil fella
 
2013-01-01 09:12:05 PM

ariseatex: nobodyUwannaknow: What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.

GAH, Preview is my friend.


Thanks. And that is a terribly stupid rule. Looks like it murders bipartisan attempts at legislation if the majority party just stands firm.
 
2013-01-01 09:13:49 PM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ariseatex: nobodyUwannaknow: What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.

GAH, Preview is my friend.

Thanks. And that is a terribly stupid rule. Looks like it murders bipartisan attempts at legislation if the majority party just stands firm.


Which tells you everything you need to know about a) who came up with the rule and b) how interested they are in "bipartisanship."
 
2013-01-01 09:13:52 PM

COMALite J:

oh, yeah, and a 91% Top Marginal Tax Rate also helped the Middle Class participate in that prosperity) enabled them to fulfill that admirable-on-the-face-of-it goal more than any generation prior to them.


Not quite. Middle/lower class pay relatively less today than they did in the 1950s:

The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate
 
2013-01-01 09:14:18 PM
Boy, this thread escalated quickly.
 
2013-01-01 09:15:23 PM
NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.
 
2013-01-01 09:16:07 PM
If nothing else, I know who to put on ignore after one of these threads.
 
2013-01-01 09:16:34 PM

ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.


you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early
 
2013-01-01 09:17:13 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


Lesson 1: Gov't budgeting isn't identical to household budgeting.

Got it???... Ok, now...

Lesson 2: Because of two concepts in finance called "time-value of money" and "inflation," debt isn't always a bad thing.
 
2013-01-01 09:18:22 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


its a good thing the budget of a sovrigen nation is in no sense similar to a household budget.
 
2013-01-01 09:18:45 PM

skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early


Given that I made that comment in comparison to another "nonzero probability" event that I thought would never happen (i.e., Boehner breaking the Hastert Rule) which now looks like what will happen, I'm thinking the odds of the Anderson Cooper threesome are about down to zero anyway.
 
2013-01-01 09:19:08 PM
Republican rep Dreier just said climate change was a fact of life on CSPAN. I almost dropped my beer. I'm pretty sure he got voted out.
 
2013-01-01 09:19:35 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Lesson 2: Because of two concepts in finance called "time-value of money" and "inflation," debt isn't always a bad thing.


except the generic time value of money calculation uses the expected rate of return on "riskless" assets like US Treasuries so...
 
2013-01-01 09:19:56 PM

skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early


Republican humor!
 
2013-01-01 09:20:12 PM

skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early


Stay closeted, my friend.
 
2013-01-01 09:20:14 PM

ariseatex: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Given that I made that comment in comparison to another "nonzero probability" event that I thought would never happen (i.e., Boehner breaking the Hastert Rule) which now looks like what will happen, I'm thinking the odds of the Anderson Cooper threesome are about down to zero anyway.


I'm sorry to hear that. I am 100% straight and I think I might have sex with Anderson Cooper. He's a good looking dude.
 
2013-01-01 09:20:47 PM

ariseatex: ...Anderson Cooper threesome ...


And I now have my new band name.
 
2013-01-01 09:20:53 PM

Shakin_Haitian: Republican rep Dreier just said climate change was a fact of life on CSPAN. I almost dropped my beer. I'm pretty sure he got voted out.


From Wikipedia:

On February 29, 2012, Dreier announced that upon completion of his current term as a member of the United States Congress that he would not be seeking reelection.[31]

Nope, just retired.
 
2013-01-01 09:20:54 PM

djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.


nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing
 
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