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(Washington Times)   That bill that's supposed to be a stop gap for the fiscal cliff? Turns out it's more like a jump ramp than the start of a bridge   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 432
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 02:34:37 PM
That was obvious for months. The talk was about undoing as much as possible of the debt ceiling compromise, putting off spending cuts until later while reducing short term taxes.

And that's why I reluctantly chose jumping off a cliff as the right thing to do. There's no appetite for real reform.  All this argument is over going back to c. 2000 era taxes and spending, undoing a decade of changes.
 
2013-01-01 02:39:07 PM
I don't think anyone will express surprise.

We truly are becoming a nation of moochers and only care about what we can get, and our choices to fill public office clearly reflect that in their actions.

We're gonna make Greece look like a piker. USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-01-01 02:46:12 PM
We should let the unemployed die. It's their fault the rich job creators don't have jobs for them. Not bootstrappy enough.
 
2013-01-01 02:51:29 PM
They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.
 
2013-01-01 02:52:38 PM
So, we just have to build a landing ramp on the other side?

oi46.tinypic.com

Psshh. We got this.
 
2013-01-01 02:53:26 PM
How did the greatest generation raise the greediest, most sociopathic generation. Sacrifice for the common good? I won't even be mildly inconvenienced for the common good!
 
2013-01-01 02:54:45 PM
That's because no one really cares about the deficit.
 
2013-01-01 02:56:06 PM
We'll it looks like Boss Hogg finally has them Duke boys right where he wants them.

/dixiecarhorn.wav
 
2013-01-01 03:02:29 PM

vartian: So, we just have to build a landing ramp on the other side?

[oi46.tinypic.com image 600x480]

Psshh. We got this.


There is...there's nothing about that photo I don't find awesome.
 
2013-01-01 03:08:47 PM

ToxicMunkee: We should let the unemployed die. It's their fault the rich job creators don't have jobs for them. Not bootstrappy enough.


Well, I think we could have paid for extended UI by raising taxes on income over 250k.
 
2013-01-01 03:15:27 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: That's because no one really cares about the deficit.


Can't be repeated enough.
 
2013-01-01 03:23:56 PM
Is it just me, or is this Jan 1 pearl-clutching a little disingenuous? $4 trillion over 10 years to maintain Medicare doctor payment levels, long-term unemployment benefits and middle-class tax cuts (etc.) while averting a recession seems to be a decent bargain.

But you know what - Fark it. Let's take the fiscal cliff for a test drive for a year, and when red staters are done suffering and when the working poor and long-term unemployed march hand in hand with doctors and defense contractors to the doorsteps of their representatives demanding that they take Obama's deal (whatever that may be), THEN we'll see if $4 trillion over 10 years is too steep a price.

img405.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-01 03:26:59 PM

Bontesla: ToxicMunkee: We should let the unemployed die. It's their fault the rich job creators don't have jobs for them. Not bootstrappy enough.

Well, I think we could have paid for extended UI by raising taxes on income over 250k.


LEECHES. EVERYONE.

We'd be better off with zero taxes and to designate the United States as a giant OK Corral. And we'll eat the old and infirm. Because f*ck them, they've outlived their usefulness.

*finger guns pew pew pew*
 
2013-01-01 03:32:35 PM
And almost all of it is from the extension of tax cuts.
 
2013-01-01 03:57:22 PM
So they got a deal then? Is it done?

I missed it.

What's in it?
 
2013-01-01 03:58:01 PM
They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.
 
2013-01-01 04:10:01 PM

NewportBarGuy: They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.


Is it at least the end of the beginning?
 
2013-01-01 04:10:47 PM

unlikely: So they got a deal then? Is it done?

I missed it.

What's in it?


Cantor says no.
 
2013-01-01 04:14:24 PM
From a different Post article...

<i>Tucked inside the "fiscal cliff" deal is a provision repealing the CLASS Act, a giant unfunded mandate that was part of President Obama's health care law.

The Community Living Assistance Services and Supports program was a priority of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, and was designed to create a program for long-term care for the functionally disabled.

Mr. Obama halted the program, saying he couldn't find a way to make it cost-effective. But he had objected when Republicans tried to repeal it outright, saying he wanted to keep it on the books and try to amend it rather than kill it.

But he did an about-face this week, accepting repeal in exchange for raising tax rates on the wealthiest.

Mr. Obama also won a new commission to look at long-term care. The commission is supposed to come back and report on ways to boost health coverage for those the CLASS program was designed to reach.

The cliff deal passed the Senate 89-8 early Tuesday morning and was awaiting a vote in the House later in the day.</i>

It's easier to throw the physically disabled unable under the bus than it is the long term unemployed today.
 
2013-01-01 04:41:12 PM

Lionel Mandrake: NewportBarGuy: They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.

Is it at least the end of the beginning?


Not bloody likely.
 
2013-01-01 04:59:56 PM

ToxicMunkee: We should let the unemployed die. It's their fault the rich job creators don't have jobs for them. Not bootstrappy enough.


Real American's borrow a few million dollars from their family and start their own businesses.
 
2013-01-01 05:03:19 PM

Wanebo: From a different Post article...

<i>Tucked inside the "fiscal cliff" deal is a provision repealing the CLASS Act, a giant unfunded mandate that was part of President Obama's health care law.

The Community Living Assistance Services and Supports program was a priority of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, and was designed to create a program for long-term care for the functionally disabled.

Mr. Obama halted the program, saying he couldn't find a way to make it cost-effective. But he had objected when Republicans tried to repeal it outright, saying he wanted to keep it on the books and try to amend it rather than kill it.

But he did an about-face this week, accepting repeal in exchange for raising tax rates on the wealthiest.

Mr. Obama also won a new commission to look at long-term care. The commission is supposed to come back and report on ways to boost health coverage for those the CLASS program was designed to reach.

The cliff deal passed the Senate 89-8 early Tuesday morning and was awaiting a vote in the House later in the day.</i>

It's easier to throw the physically disabled unable under the bus than it is the long term unemployed today.


Unbelievable.
 
2013-01-01 05:06:19 PM
You do realize the "Fiscal Cliff" isn't a problem because of spending right? It's a problem of massive and severe austerity all at once. So anything which stops the "Fiscal Cliff" will by necessity include more government spending than going over the cliff.
 
2013-01-01 06:06:41 PM
I make so little that the only difference I'd have noticed was getting half the child tax credit I normally get,  which I wouldn't have realy noticed since we had another child last year anyhow.
 
2013-01-01 06:10:37 PM

kxs401: How did the self-titled "greatest" generation raise the greediest, most sociopathic generation.


study it out from there
 
2013-01-01 06:16:01 PM
OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.
 
2013-01-01 06:17:11 PM
Looks like the House is going to kill it with Amendments, and it sure as hell sounds like Cantor is shooting for the Speakership in the process.
 
2013-01-01 06:19:50 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Looks like the House is going to kill it with Amendments, and it sure as hell sounds like Cantor is shooting for the Speakership in the process.


I'm oddly shocked by neither of those things.

Way to go, GOP. I suspect shortly we'll have the "Obama tax cuts" coming through when this bill ends up DOA.
 
2013-01-01 06:21:24 PM
Most people are out of work due to a lack of require job skills.

Shouldn't the solution be free college-level trade school education?

I keep hearing about business owners whining about NEEDING to hire out of country to fill these roles. Shouldn't we be investing more in education to fill these jobs?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the wheels of this country move on the frivolous expenditures of the masses? The more people capable of making frivolous expenditures the better?
 
2013-01-01 06:21:29 PM
Dusk-You-n-Me:

That's because no one really cares about the deficit.

/Bears repeating
 
2013-01-01 06:23:33 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.


Hahahahaha, you're so cute.
 
2013-01-01 06:23:43 PM

PapaChester: I keep hearing about business owners whining about NEEDING to hire out of country to fill these roles. Shouldn't we be investing more in education to fill these jobs?


No, the real answer is to teach creationism and to rewrite the school curriculum to match it to their neoconservative wet dreams.
 
2013-01-01 06:23:50 PM

nmrsnr: You do realize the "Fiscal Cliff" isn't a problem because of spending right? It's a problem of massive and severe austerity all at once. So anything which stops the "Fiscal Cliff" will by necessity include more government spending than going over the cliff.


Ello ello what's all this then? T'appears to be logic and useful banter. Owd it get innis ear thread, then?
 
2013-01-01 06:24:49 PM
i.imm.io
 
2013-01-01 06:26:42 PM

unlikely: They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.


Partially.  We'll have to do this again in two months in this deal, but it still raised some taxes.
 
2013-01-01 06:27:29 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


Yeah, I keep seeing that stupid thing posted. Good job.
 
2013-01-01 06:27:43 PM

Lionel Mandrake: NewportBarGuy: They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.

Is it at least the end of the beginning?


Honestly? Yes. I think we are now safely on a several year path to unf*cking ourselves. It will be painful, but it will benefit us all and we'll be a stronger country for it. Those of us that remember these dark days will remind the younger ones of how not to handle the running of the country. Or... we just keep f*cking that chicken until the whole thing collapses. I'll be optimistic and go with the first prediction.
 
2013-01-01 06:27:48 PM

GAT_00: unlikely: They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.

Partially.  We'll have to do this again in two months in this deal, but it still raised some taxes.


hehe I do so love how raising taxes is a worthy end unto itself.
 
2013-01-01 06:27:50 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


Oh, a house budget analogy, the bastion of the economically illiterate.
 
2013-01-01 06:29:16 PM
And the Senate has left for the night, so if there is a vote (and it passes) on an amended version in the House, the Senate (if it bothers with it) won't act until tomorrow on the last day of this Congress.

I say fark it all if this bill dies in the house. Have the Senate put forth and pass a tax cut on $200/250k like they did back in July, call it the Obama tax cuts, and tell the House to suck on that. When they refuse to vote on that, just keep hammering them.

God, fark these House GOPers. fark them so hard.
 
2013-01-01 06:29:30 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.
 
2013-01-01 06:31:35 PM

eiger: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Oh, a house budget analogy, the bastion of the economically illiterate.


Hey, this one uses poop to explain the accounting.
 
2013-01-01 06:31:54 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


Maybe someday people will understand that the national budget isn't analogous to a household budget. Until then, we'll continue to see stupid farking shiat like this.
 
2013-01-01 06:32:38 PM
The "fiscal cliff" deal that was designed to save money

That's about as far as I could take the article seriously. That shows a total lack of even a rudimentary understanding of what the "fiscal cliff" even is, or what problem the legislation was aiming to solve.
 
2013-01-01 06:32:43 PM

Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.


It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money. I'm not aware of any household that can (legally) do that.
 
2013-01-01 06:33:07 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: eiger: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Oh, a house budget analogy, the bastion of the economically illiterate.

Hey, this one uses poop to explain the accounting.


How else would simpletons like the guy who made that would be able to understand complex economic matters.
 
2013-01-01 06:34:47 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


You posted something stupid, and you should feel bad.
 
2013-01-01 06:35:13 PM

kxs401: How did the greatest generation raise the greediest, most sociopathic generation. Sacrifice for the common good? I won't even be mildly inconvenienced for the common good!


Which generations? Because with one, I agree.
 
2013-01-01 06:35:18 PM

Mrtraveler01: Dusk-You-n-Me:

That's because no one really cares about the deficit.

/Bears repeating


Whatever happened to "jobs, jobs, jobs"?
Now it's "deficit, deficit, deficit". Isn't the former more important?
 
2013-01-01 06:35:26 PM

Zombalupagus: i.imm.io


Simpletons LOVE stupid comparisons. Otherwise, they would have to actually UNDERSTAND the issue.
 
2013-01-01 06:35:54 PM

eiger: Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.

It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money. I'm not aware of any household that can (legally) do that.


which is like discovering your house is full to the top with shiat and deciding the best solution is putting a garden hose in a window and pumping in water
 
2013-01-01 06:36:16 PM

Sum Dum Gai: The "fiscal cliff" deal that was designed to save money

That's about as far as I could take the article seriously. That shows a total lack of even a rudimentary understanding of what the "fiscal cliff" even is, or what problem the legislation was aiming to solve.


It's from the Moonie Times. That is all you need to know.
 
2013-01-01 06:36:55 PM

Mrtraveler01: Unknown_Poltroon: eiger: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Oh, a house budget analogy, the bastion of the economically illiterate.

Hey, this one uses poop to explain the accounting.

How else would simpletons like the guy who made that would be able to understand complex economic matters.


removing the zeros does help put it in perspective.
You guys sure are pissed about people pointing out that we spend a farkload more than we generate in revenue
 
2013-01-01 06:38:31 PM

Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.


You missed one more reason it is idiotic, whoever wrote it dropped an extra zero from the budget cuts, it is actually $385 if you drop eight zeros.
 
2013-01-01 06:38:32 PM

Lionel Mandrake: NewportBarGuy: They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.

Is it at least the end of the beginning?


It is the beginning of the end of the beginning.
 
2013-01-01 06:38:34 PM

sprawl15: eiger: Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.

It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money. I'm not aware of any household that can (legally) do that.

which is like discovering your house is full to the top with shiat and deciding the best solution is putting a garden hose in a window and pumping in water


Please. It's far more complicated than that. Still, obviously printing money to pay the debt is far from the best solution, but it does show how the nation's economy and a household are completely different beasts.
 
2013-01-01 06:39:53 PM
You mean the one that isn't going to pass the House anyway?
 
2013-01-01 06:39:54 PM

evil saltine: Mrtraveler01: Dusk-You-n-Me: That's because no one really cares about the deficit.

/Bears repeating

Whatever happened to "jobs, jobs, jobs"?
Now it's "deficit, deficit, deficit". Isn't the former more important?



That was before we tied a completely artificial crisis to the normally symbolic debt ceiling support, in order to get the Republicans' wing-nut contingent to behave rationally for ten damn minutes.
 
2013-01-01 06:40:05 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]




Unfortunately, there are ppl who actually believe that this silly little simpleton picture is relevant to the actual economics of the situation. For example, how many households owe their mortgage primarily to their own family members? How many families can, at will, increase their income with the stroke of a pen?
 
2013-01-01 06:40:16 PM
Anyone who seriously compares national economics to a household budget needs to be taken out back and beaten half to death before being enrolled in a basic Economics 101 class.
 
2013-01-01 06:40:27 PM

eiger: sprawl15: eiger: Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.

It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money. I'm not aware of any household that can (legally) do that.

which is like discovering your house is full to the top with shiat and deciding the best solution is putting a garden hose in a window and pumping in water

Please. It's far more complicated than that. Still, obviously printing money to pay the debt is far from the best solution, but it does show how the nation's economy and a household are completely different beasts.


of coarse - an economy is not a literal object and cannot fill with fecal matter

but the debt certainly puts the anal in that analogy
 
2013-01-01 06:41:30 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


except that's not it at all. The biggest problem is people keep trying to put it in "household budget" terms and you can't.
 
2013-01-01 06:41:54 PM

cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.


thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.
 
2013-01-01 06:43:22 PM

evil saltine: Mrtraveler01: Dusk-You-n-Me:

That's because no one really cares about the deficit.

/Bears repeating

Whatever happened to "jobs, jobs, jobs"?
Now it's "deficit, deficit, deficit". Isn't the former more important?


You're talking about idiots who think that we can cut taxes so much that it will both so much economic growth that it will balance the budget all by itself.

It's hard to deal with idiots like that.
 
2013-01-01 06:45:15 PM
See, the problem is:

Liberals watch shows like this:
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Conservatives watch shows like this:
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Any questions?
 
2013-01-01 06:46:24 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.


I understand alright. I understand that nothing will get done as long as the Tea Party controls the House.
 
2013-01-01 06:47:32 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.


If someone older than you says that to you do you admit you are wrong and change your mind?
 
2013-01-01 06:49:19 PM

PsiChick: kxs401: How did the greatest generation raise the greediest, most sociopathic generation. Sacrifice for the common good? I won't even be mildly inconvenienced for the common good!

Which generations? Because with one, I agree.


The "Greatest Generation" had experienced the Great Depression and WWII with its rationing and other privations, and as a result went above and beyond in their desire to leave a better world for their children. They wanted to make sure that their kids never had to go through the privations that they had.

The post-WWII economic prosperity of the 1950s (made possible largely by the fact that most of our competition had been bombed back into the Medieval era, and the Marshall Plan helped them get out but also expanded our own markets ― oh, yeah, and a 91% Top Marginal Tax Rate also helped the Middle Class participate in that prosperity) enabled them to fulfill that admirable-on-the-face-of-it goal more than any generation prior to them.

And then, into this situation, along came Dr. Benjamin Spock.

Result: a generation of spoiled brats (I include myself in that judgment) who for the most part never had to struggle to earn what they have.
 
2013-01-01 06:51:00 PM

skullkrusher: GAT_00: unlikely: They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.

Partially.  We'll have to do this again in two months in this deal, but it still raised some taxes.

hehe I do so love how raising taxes is a worthy end unto itself.


We're facing medium term financial apocalypse if we don't raise taxes from the lowest levels in living memory. I don't think anybody likes raising taxes, but some of us recognize the need to raise them in order to prevent disaster.
 
2013-01-01 06:52:03 PM
I like how tax cuts for poor people are "Spending" but they are not when it's for rich people.
 
2013-01-01 06:52:22 PM

erik-k: skullkrusher: GAT_00: unlikely: They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.

Partially.  We'll have to do this again in two months in this deal, but it still raised some taxes.

hehe I do so love how raising taxes is a worthy end unto itself.

We're facing medium term financial apocalypse if we don't raise taxes from the lowest levels in living memory. I don't think anybody likes raising taxes, but some of us recognize the need to raise them in order to prevent disaster.


which isn't raising taxes as an end unto itself.
 
2013-01-01 06:54:58 PM
www.seeing-stars.com

whoa
 
2013-01-01 06:55:18 PM

COMALite J: PsiChick: kxs401: How did the greatest generation raise the greediest, most sociopathic generation. Sacrifice for the common good? I won't even be mildly inconvenienced for the common good!

Which generations? Because with one, I agree.

The "Greatest Generation" had experienced the Great Depression and WWII with its rationing and other privations, and as a result went above and beyond in their desire to leave a better world for their children. They wanted to make sure that their kids never had to go through the privations that they had.

The post-WWII economic prosperity of the 1950s (made possible largely by the fact that most of our competition had been bombed back into the Medieval era, and the Marshall Plan helped them get out but also expanded our own markets ― oh, yeah, and a 91% Top Marginal Tax Rate also helped the Middle Class participate in that prosperity) enabled them to fulfill that admirable-on-the-face-of-it goal more than any generation prior to them.

And then, into this situation, along came Dr. Benjamin Spock.

Result: a generation of spoiled brats (I include myself in that judgment) who for the most part never had to struggle to earn what they have.


Then I am 100% behind you.

/Reason I was asking: Assholes often claim the ME generation is 'spoiled' for wanting things like, say, a decent tax rate and an end to corporations owning the damn country. Which makes me usually feel like shooting people.
//Though I wouldn't blame the 'spoil your kids' mentality too much, you're allowed to give your kids a good life. You just have to actually be a parent and teach your kids about morality, how to appreciate earning things, stuff like that. America doesn't really have a good parenting tradition.
 
2013-01-01 06:55:44 PM

skullkrusher: GAT_00: unlikely: They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.

Partially.  We'll have to do this again in two months in this deal, but it still raised some taxes.

hehe I do so love how raising taxes is a worthy end unto itself.


The deficit is how big?  Yeah, raising taxes is a worthy end into itself.  You would think so too if you actually cared about the debt or the deficit.
 
2013-01-01 06:56:14 PM

skullkrusher: removing the zeros does help put it in perspective.
You guys sure are pissed about people pointing out that we spend a farkload more than we generate in revenue


No, it's just that comparing the government to a household budget is pants-on-head retarded.
 
2013-01-01 06:57:00 PM

GAT_00: skullkrusher: GAT_00: unlikely: They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.

Partially.  We'll have to do this again in two months in this deal, but it still raised some taxes.

hehe I do so love how raising taxes is a worthy end unto itself.

The deficit is how big?  Yeah, raising taxes is a worthy end into itself.  You would think so too if you actually cared about the debt or the deficit.


raising taxes to fix the deficit isn't raising taxes as an end unto itself. I've seen you post. We could be running a surplus and you'd want taxes raised on certain individuals.
 
2013-01-01 06:57:09 PM

COMALite J: Result: a generation of spoiled brats (I include myself in that judgment) who for the most part never had to struggle to earn what they have.

Speak for yourself, but as a generalization yes.
And it's only gotten worse.
 
2013-01-01 06:57:30 PM

Infernalist: Anyone who seriously compares national economics to a household budget needs to be taken out back and beaten half to death before being enrolled in a basic Economics 101 class.


They're the same people who think that the ability to ruthlessly undercut competition, exploit your employees and cheat your customers are precisely the qualities you would want in a president of the United States.
 
2013-01-01 06:58:11 PM

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: removing the zeros does help put it in perspective.
You guys sure are pissed about people pointing out that we spend a farkload more than we generate in revenue

No, it's just that comparing the government to a household budget is pants-on-head retarded.


it's not a very good analogy for the reasons people have stated but it removing the zeros and expressing it in that way does give a perspective that the actual figures don't really relay because of the almost incomprehensible size

/like my penis
 
2013-01-01 06:58:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.

I understand alright. I understand that nothing will get done as long as the Tea Party controls the House.


OK, so let's say this tax increase goes through and we now have covered 7% of the annual deficit covered. Let's even say we double it and now cover 15%.

Where's the rest come from? You've still got $850 million a year to deal with and that's before the ACA starts adding to the deficit.

Do you see any scenario in which you personally would sacrifice something whether it's additional taxes or delayed eligibility for SocSec or MCare?
 
2013-01-01 06:58:54 PM

skullkrusher: removing the zeros does help put it in perspective.


If your brain can't comprehend that many zeroes, you should sit down, be quiet and let the big kids talk.
 
2013-01-01 06:59:10 PM

PapaChester: Most people are out of work due to a lack of require job skills.

Shouldn't the solution be free college-level trade school education?

I keep hearing about business owners whining about NEEDING to hire out of country to fill these roles. Shouldn't we be investing more in education to fill these jobs?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the wheels of this country move on the frivolous expenditures of the masses? The more people capable of making frivolous expenditures the better?


For some people sitting at home for x per week in ui benefits is better than waking up and going to work somewhere for x + 100.

Supposedly a study in norway showed that on average people found a job right before ui ran out.......so norway cut the length of benefits in half...and people still found jobs right before they ran out of ui compensation.
 
2013-01-01 06:59:13 PM
For the life of me, I'll never understand why the anti-taxers refuse to acknowledge the "economy of scale" and "public benefit."

If everyone pitches in a dollar, you can buy stuff that one person wouldn't be able to afford on his/her own. E.g., each family buying one laptop per one child spends more money per child than a school system that can afford to buy 100 laptops from one source for 100 children.

If everyone helps pay for a service that benefits those who are temporarily poor, broke or ill, it helps prevent those persons from desperately acquiring property or services that legally belong to someone else. E.g., Food Stamps keep people out of my garage looking for stuff to steal and sell so that they can eat.
 
2013-01-01 06:59:27 PM

sprawl15: which is like discovering your house is full to the top with shiat and deciding the best solution is putting a garden hose in a window and pumping in water


Actually the analogy is just shiat that isn't helpful to understanding how what government debt is, which is non-government savings. When you call the dollars in everyone's bank account shiat, you're off to a bad start.

skullkrusher: You guys sure are pissed about people pointing out that we spend a farkload more than we generate in revenue


Don't mistake mockery with anger. I want the government to spend more than it takes in.
 
2013-01-01 06:59:41 PM

cretinbob: skullkrusher: removing the zeros does help put it in perspective.

If your brain can't comprehend that many zeroes, you should sit down, be quiet and let the big kids talk.


this was one of those "wow this sounds awesome in my head but I sure am gonna look like a farking fool when I put pen to paper" situations
 
2013-01-01 07:00:00 PM

Fart_Machine: It's from the Moonie Times. That is all you need to know.


I won't even click on a link to that site. Not willing to give them even a fraction of a cent.
 
2013-01-01 07:00:21 PM

Smackledorfer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.

If someone older than you says that to you do you admit you are wrong and change your mind?


And if someone called you cute would you admit you were wrong and change your mind sir white knight?
 
2013-01-01 07:01:23 PM

skullkrusher: You guys sure are pissed about people pointing out that we spend a farkload more than we generate in revenue


That is a problem, and has been since Reagan, but the key piece that the analogy misses is that changing spending has a drastic effect on receipts.

If the government cut spending by 10% ($380 bn), the effect would be the loss of about as big of a chunk of the economy as the entire 2008-2009 economic downturn, and the effects would likely be as severe (if not more severe, coming as a double-dip recession).

The first recession cost us about $400 bn in lowered tax receipts, so this hypothetical 10% cut would actually make the deficit worse - we've reduced expenses by $380 bn but also reduced revenues by $400bn. That's not even considering the secondary effects (such as increasing government mandatory outlays by increasing unemployment).

The only practical way to tackle this is at the revenue side - any major spending change will have unintended consequences (or intended consequences - there are plenty who would benefit politically from the government causing a major economic downturn).
 
2013-01-01 07:02:12 PM

Giltric: For some people sitting at home for x per week in ui benefits is better than waking up and going to work somewhere for x + 100.


Well except it's more like 4x not x +100, which is a bit different.
 
2013-01-01 07:04:26 PM
Good until the taxes are cut for the rich, there is no deal.

Why is Obama a richist?
 
2013-01-01 07:05:13 PM

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: removing the zeros does help put it in perspective.
You guys sure are pissed about people pointing out that we spend a farkload more than we generate in revenue

No, it's just that comparing the government to a household budget is pants-on-head retarded.


If you wanna know how POHR this is...the probability that most of that "household budget" is spent on things like a new car every year and lavish wants, plus insurance (life, health, etc.), and food and rent. Republicans are clamoring for us to ditch the insurance and cut the food and rent, while trading in our 2012 mid-size sedan for a 2013 sports car.

/And that car is the military budget, BTW.
//And that's how POHR the analogy is.
 
2013-01-01 07:05:16 PM
Total bullshiat:

Politico (no friend of the administration):

CBO begins its analysis from its March current law baseline that assumes all of Bush-era tax cuts would expire at New Year's Day, and therefore gives no deficit-reduction credit for the fact that the deal begins to raise rates for the wealthiest Americans.
Yet since last spring the CBO itself has warned that if nothing were done, the so-called "fiscal cliff" combination of tax increases and
Most important, perhaps, the long range estimates don't reflect the fact that the deal now is only the first step toward establishing a new baseline from which the White House and Republicans hope to work next year to carry out tax reform. At one level, tax cuts were being thrown into the mix - impacting the Alternative Minimum Tax for example - in order to influence this future baseline without regard to the deficit results.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/the-price-tag-4-trillion-added- t o-deficit-85651.html#ixzz2GluaeIh8
 
2013-01-01 07:05:59 PM
Hai guiz, what's going on in this thr...

Zombalupagus
pic responses

Oh.

[slowly backs out of thread]
 
2013-01-01 07:06:57 PM

skullkrusher: cretinbob: skullkrusher: removing the zeros does help put it in perspective.

If your brain can't comprehend that many zeroes, you should sit down, be quiet and let the big kids talk.

this was one of those "wow this sounds awesome in my head but I sure am gonna look like a farking fool when I put pen to paper" situations


It's all right. Always remember, when people don't smack you upside the head when you say something dumb, they aren't paying attention to you and don't want you to do better.

Also, I have crabs in my pants
 
2013-01-01 07:07:18 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill


You realize that the Simpson-Bowles bill had even more tax increases right?
 
2013-01-01 07:08:06 PM

skullkrusher: GAT_00: skullkrusher: GAT_00: unlikely: They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.

Partially.  We'll have to do this again in two months in this deal, but it still raised some taxes.

hehe I do so love how raising taxes is a worthy end unto itself.

The deficit is how big?  Yeah, raising taxes is a worthy end into itself.  You would think so too if you actually cared about the debt or the deficit.

raising taxes to fix the deficit isn't raising taxes as an end unto itself. I've seen you post. We could be running a surplus and you'd want taxes raised on certain individuals.


And we can't do it when people like you claim to care, yet oppose any and all tax raises.  You think that somehow we can cut all this spending to fix the deficit when the deficit is mostly caused by tax cuts.
 
2013-01-01 07:09:57 PM

Funk Brothers: Good until the taxes are cut for the rich, there is no deal.

Why is Obama a richist?


They are getting a tax cut. They get the same cuts for the brackets that all others get for those tax brackets.
 
2013-01-01 07:10:23 PM
legalize meth. and fix the economy.
 
2013-01-01 07:11:44 PM

COMALite J: PsiChick: kxs401: How did the greatest generation raise the greediest, most sociopathic generation. Sacrifice for the common good? I won't even be mildly inconvenienced for the common good!

Which generations? Because with one, I agree.

The "Greatest Generation" had experienced the Great Depression and WWII with its rationing and other privations, and as a result went above and beyond in their desire to leave a better world for their children. They wanted to make sure that their kids never had to go through the privations that they had.

The post-WWII economic prosperity of the 1950s (made possible largely by the fact that most of our competition had been bombed back into the Medieval era, and the Marshall Plan helped them get out but also expanded our own markets ― oh, yeah, and a 91% Top Marginal Tax Rate also helped the Middle Class participate in that prosperity) enabled them to fulfill that admirable-on-the-face-of-it goal more than any generation prior to them.

And then, into this situation, along came Dr. Benjamin Spock.

Result: a generation of spoiled brats (I include myself in that judgment) who for the most part never had to struggle to earn what they have.


Damn Vulcans.
 
2013-01-01 07:13:24 PM

cretinbob: skullkrusher: cretinbob: skullkrusher: removing the zeros does help put it in perspective.

If your brain can't comprehend that many zeroes, you should sit down, be quiet and let the big kids talk.

this was one of those "wow this sounds awesome in my head but I sure am gonna look like a farking fool when I put pen to paper" situations

It's all right. Always remember, when people don't smack you upside the head when you say something dumb, they aren't paying attention to you and don't want you to do better.

Also, I have crabs in my pants


I was talking about your post, homes. Putting very large figures into numbers that people deal with on a day to day basis is a pretty common trick and it does assist in gaining some perspective on the proportions
 
2013-01-01 07:16:39 PM

Sum Dum Gai: The only practical way to tackle this is at the revenue side - any major spending change will have unintended consequences (or intended consequences - there are plenty who would benefit politically from the government causing a major economic downturn).


yes - in the present day. The only way that makes sense is to raise taxes past the Clinton levels on very high incomes. Of course, that hasn't been proposed by anyone of note.
 
2013-01-01 07:18:04 PM

GAT_00: And we can't do it when people like you claim to care, yet oppose any and all tax raises. You think that somehow we can cut all this spending to fix the deficit when the deficit is mostly caused by tax cuts.


I am not opposed to all tax increases. I am opposed to all tax increases based "on principle", however.
 
2013-01-01 07:19:16 PM

Fart_Machine: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill

You realize that the Simpson-Bowles bill had even more tax increases right?


Yes. I'm one of the few who think we need a total restructure of the tax system which would generate additional revenues as well as making significant changes in all entitlements and existing agency spending.

Yes, the military too.

This isn't a team sport in reality, both sides have f*cked us good.
 
2013-01-01 07:24:36 PM
If you want to start cutting spending how about eliminating the $88 billion they want to appropriate for the war in Afghanistan this year and just bring the troops home.
 
2013-01-01 07:24:38 PM

skullkrusher: GAT_00: And we can't do it when people like you claim to care, yet oppose any and all tax raises. You think that somehow we can cut all this spending to fix the deficit when the deficit is mostly caused by tax cuts.

I am not opposed to all tax increases. I am opposed to all tax increases based "on principle", however.


That principle apparantly being any tax increase at all.
 
2013-01-01 07:26:48 PM

GAT_00: skullkrusher: GAT_00: And we can't do it when people like you claim to care, yet oppose any and all tax raises. You think that somehow we can cut all this spending to fix the deficit when the deficit is mostly caused by tax cuts.

I am not opposed to all tax increases
. I am opposed to all tax increases based "on principle", however.

That principle apparantly being any tax increase at all.


do try harder
 
2013-01-01 07:27:04 PM

Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.
-analogy problem: please explain the second job the federal government can get.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.
.


-actually, in a federal government there never is an intention to pay off its debt, just to keep it under control as a percentage of GDP.

Eiger:
It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money. I'm not aware of any household that can (legally) do that.

- actually the federal government cannot print money, only the federal reserve can use that tool.

Bronyaur1:
Unfortunately, there are ppl who actually believe that this silly little simpleton picture is relevant to the actual economics of the situation. For example, how many households owe their mortgage primarily to their own family members? How many families can, at will, increase their income with the stroke of a pen?

- silly analogy - stroke of a pen: please tell the executive and congress to go forth and stroke.

Erik-k

We're facing medium term financial apocalypse if we don't raise taxes from the lowest levels in living memory. I don't think anybody likes raising taxes, but some of us recognize the need to raise them in order to prevent disaster.

- it isn't that simple. When you consider revenue you must treat social security and medicare taxes as part of the base income taxes. Why, because the federal government has only theoretically segregated those funds in trusts. Since they are part of the general revenue the cost of the programs they support are part of the general expense.

--
While it's not a good analogy, it does help people without an understanding of federal accounting grasp the magnitude of the amounts being bandied about.
 
2013-01-01 07:28:16 PM
spiff.rit.edu

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-01 07:29:11 PM
F*ck the Moonie Times.
 
2013-01-01 07:30:08 PM
Hey, Zombalupagus, you seem to have need some help with the situation you find yourself in here. Believe it or not, there is a way to save face and redeem your credibility! Since you apparently don't know how, I'll give you complete, step-by-step instructions:

• Step 1: Click in the "Comment:" text area below this thread where you type in your responses. I assume that you already have your "Login:" and "Password:" entered. You should see a flashing text bar cursor in the upper left corner of that text area.

• Step 2a: Look at your keyboard. Over on the left side, second row from the bottom, you'll see a large key. It's labeled "Shift". Press and hold this [Shift ] key with your left pinky finger.

• Step 2b: While still holding that key down, hover your right index fingertip over the top row of keys on the typewriter-like alphanumeric portion of the keyboard. These are all small keys. Most of them have numerals (digits) as their bottom labels, and a punctuation symbol as the top label. The digits are in numerical order (except that zero [0] follows nine [9]), so it's easy to find the spot we're looking for: you need to hover the fingertip between two keys, namely, the one labeled [*8] and the one next to it labeled [(9] (the labels here are shown horizontally separated, but actually they're vertically separated: the punctuation symbol is on top of the digit). Now, move your fingertip down one row, and it should be hovering over a key labeled [I]. Press and release that key, then release the [Shift ] key. You should see "I" appear in the "Comments:" edit box, with the bar cursor now flashing just to the right of it.

• Step 2c: Finally, with either thumb, press and release the widest key on the keyboard, one that has no label at all. This is called the "space bar." You should see no text change in the box, but the flashing bar cursor should move slightly to the right, a very short distance away from the "I" that you created in Step 2b.

• Step 3a: Remember how we used the top row of number keys to help find a letter key in Step 2b? Well, let's do it again: this time, we need to hover our left index fingertip between the [@2] and [#3] keys, then move down one row. The key that your fingertip should now be hovering over should be labeled [W]. Press and release it, and remember it because we're going to need it again in Step 4a. You should now see a "w" appear a short distance to the right of the "I" with a small space between them, and the flashing bar cursor now just to the right of the newly-created "w."

Step 3b: With your left fingertip still on or above the [W] key, move it down one row and to the left one key so that hovers over the [A] key. Press and release it, and voila! "a" has now been added just after the "w", and the flashing bar cursor is now just to the right of the newly-created "a"!

Step 3c: Now move your left fingertip one key to the right from the [A] key that you just pressed. This key is the [S] key. Press and release it, and "s" gets added to the right of the "wa" which is a short distance from the "I" from Step 1. So far, you should see "I was" with the flashing bar cursor just to the right of the newly-created "s"!

Step 3d is the same as Step 2c, namely, press the space bar. Again, the flashing bar cursor should move a short distance to the right, visibly separated from the "s."

Step 4a: Remember how I told you back in Step 3a that we'd need the [W] key again? Now's the time! If you forgot where it is, fear not: your left fingertip should still be hovering near the [S] key, and it's one row up and slightly to the left of that! Press and release it. You should now see a second "w" appear a short distance to the right of the "s" with a small space between them, and the flashing bar cursor now just to the right of the newly-created "w."

Step 4b: move your left fingertip not one, but two, keys to the right of the [W] key. It should now be hovering over the [R] key. Press and release it. You should now see an "r" appear just to the right of the "w", and the flashing bar cursor now just to the right of the newly-created "r."

Step 4c: If you haven't moved your right hand much since Step 2b, its index fingertip should still be hovering over or near the [I] key. The one that we want now is just to the right of that: the [O] key. If you lost track of that, you can find it easily by using the numbers trick: this key is just one row below the space between the [(9] and [)0] keys. You should know what to do by now: press and release it, and watch the "o" appear, with the bar cursor moving to just past it.

Step 4d: Now it gets a bit tricky. Move the right index fingertip not just one, but two, keys to the left, so that it's hovering over the [U] key. That's not the one we want to press, though: now, move the fingertip down not one, but two rows. It should now be hovering over the [N] key. Press and release it. "n" appears.

Step 4e: Back to the left index fingertip, which we last left in Step 4b hovering over the [R] key. Move it over one to the right so that it now hovers over the [T] key, then down one row so that it hovers over the [G] key. Press and release that. "g" appears.

Step 4f: Actually, your message as it exists now would be good enough for most FARKers, but just to satisfy the grammar Nazis, move the left fingertip (which should still be hovering over the [N] key) three keys to the right, so that it hovers over a key labeled [>.]. Press and release that.

Step 5: Click [ Add Comment ]. You shouldn't need to click the [ Preview ] button first, as there's no HTML in your short post.

There. That wasn't so hard, now, was it? Why do so few FARKers ever do this?
 
2013-01-01 07:32:16 PM

Sum Dum Gai: skullkrusher: You guys sure are pissed about people pointing out that we spend a farkload more than we generate in revenue

That is a problem, and has been since Reagan, but the key piece that the analogy misses is that changing spending has a drastic effect on receipts.

If the government cut spending by 10% ($380 bn), the effect would be the loss of about as big of a chunk of the economy as the entire 2008-2009 economic downturn, and the effects would likely be as severe (if not more severe, coming as a double-dip recession).

The first recession cost us about $400 bn in lowered tax receipts, so this hypothetical 10% cut would actually make the deficit worse - we've reduced expenses by $380 bn but also reduced revenues by $400bn. That's not even considering the secondary effects (such as increasing government mandatory outlays by increasing unemployment).

The only practical way to tackle this is at the revenue side - any major spending change will have unintended consequences (or intended consequences - there are plenty who would benefit politically from the government causing a major economic downturn).


You remind me of those Republicans whose only response to the oil situation is "Drill, baby, drill!"
 
2013-01-01 07:34:27 PM

skullkrusher: GAT_00: skullkrusher: GAT_00: And we can't do it when people like you claim to care, yet oppose any and all tax raises. You think that somehow we can cut all this spending to fix the deficit when the deficit is mostly caused by tax cuts.

I am not opposed to all tax increases. I am opposed to all tax increases based "on principle", however.

That principle apparantly being any tax increase at all.

do try harder


I cannot recall you ever arguing once for any kind of tax increase
 
2013-01-01 07:34:38 PM
Let me see if I have this straight. Republicans create this fiscal cliff nonsense by refusing to raise the debt ceiling in a simple vote. They do nothing in the intervening year to address the problem, waiting until the last month to do anything substantive. Boehner is unable to get his coalition to agree to a bill that raise LESS revenue through taxes, and promptly adjourns the House for the holidays, saying that now the Senate and White House must do their work for them. The Senate and WH work to craft a bipartisan deal which is only half as effective as it could be in deficit reduction, but nevertheless represents a compromise. They then send it to the House, which now squawks about how terrible the bill is, and threatens to laden it up with tons of spending cuts not agreed to and blow the whole thing to shiat.

fark the GOP. Seriously, fark them.
 
2013-01-01 07:36:21 PM

GAT_00: skullkrusher: GAT_00: skullkrusher: GAT_00: And we can't do it when people like you claim to care, yet oppose any and all tax raises. You think that somehow we can cut all this spending to fix the deficit when the deficit is mostly caused by tax cuts.

I am not opposed to all tax increases. I am opposed to all tax increases based "on principle", however.

That principle apparantly being any tax increase at all.

do try harder

I cannot recall you ever arguing once for any kind of tax increase


you've never seen me post Nancy Pelosi's letter to Boehner in these threads?

I really, really liked the compromise with the increased threshold for tax increases and the delay in spending cuts.
 
2013-01-01 07:40:52 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


So cleaning shiate is the only solution?
Can't the family do something about raising the amount of money that comes in?
What should we cut, the kids' food and health services or daddy's gun collection?
 
2013-01-01 07:43:18 PM

COMALite J: Hey, Zombalupagus, you seem to have need some help with the situation you find yourself in here. Believe it or not, there is a way to save face and redeem your credibility! Since you apparently don't know how, I'll give you complete, step-by-step instructions:
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Wow, you devote a lot of energy to your hostility.

 
2013-01-01 07:43:24 PM

COMALite J: Hey, Zombalupagus, you seem to have need some help with the situation you find yourself in here. Believe it or not, there is a way to save face and redeem your credibility! Since you apparently don't know how, I'll give you complete, step-by-step instructions:

• Step 1: Click in the "Comment:" text area below this thread where you type in your responses. I assume that you already have your "Login:" and "Password:" entered. You should see a flashing text bar cursor in the upper left corner of that text area.

• Step 2a: Look at your keyboard. Over on the left side, second row from the bottom, you'll see a large key. It's labeled "⇑ Shift". Press and hold this [⇑ Shift ] key with your left pinky finger.

• Step 2b: While still holding that key down, hover your right index fingertip over the top row of keys on the typewriter-like alphanumeric portion of the keyboard. These are all small keys. Most of them have numerals (digits) as their bottom labels, and a punctuation symbol as the top label. The digits are in numerical order (except that zero [0] follows nine [9]), so it's easy to find the spot we're looking for: you need to hover the fingertip between two keys, namely, the one labeled [*8] and the one next to it labeled [(9] (the labels here are shown horizontally separated, but actually they're vertically separated: the punctuation symbol is on top of the digit). Now, move your fingertip down one row, and it should be hovering over a key labeled . Press and release that key, then release the [⇑ Shift ] key. You should see "I" appear in the "Comments:" edit box, with the bar cursor now flashing just to the right of it.

• Step 2c: Finally, with either thumb, press and release the widest key on the keyboard, one that has no label at all. This is called the "space bar." You should see no text change in the box, but the flashing bar cursor should move slightly to the right, a very short distance away from the "I" that you created in Step 2b.

• Step 3a: Remember ...

put. the adderall. down.

back away from the keyboard and put your hands on your head.

 
2013-01-01 07:44:41 PM

Witty_Retort: So cleaning shiate is the only solution?


do it on meth. much faster. scrub that tile, boy.
 
2013-01-01 07:44:57 PM

mediablitz: Zombalupagus: i.imm.io

Simpletons LOVE stupid comparisons. Otherwise, they would have to actually UNDERSTAND the issue.


Oh yes because you are so brilliant.
 
2013-01-01 07:45:23 PM
i1322.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-01 07:45:58 PM
Joseph Weisenthal @TheStalwart
GOP House aide predicting passage of Senate bill: "Members seem tired and ready to go home."

It'd be hilarious if, after hours of complaining and planning all these changes, they just vote on the Senate bill to "go home faster."
 
2013-01-01 07:49:41 PM
Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone
 
2013-01-01 07:52:33 PM
Well, yes... Depending on where you are relatively comparing the situation to, this bill adds to the debt. If you look at where it puts us vs. where we currently stand, as of 1/1/2013, then the tax cuts add to the deficit. But if you compare it to what we've had for the last decade, then what we really have is a maintenance of the status quo on most taxes, with a slight increase on taxes above $400k.

I'm guessing this article is snidely using the former logic to be pessimistic.
 
2013-01-01 07:55:06 PM

Ishidan: See, the problem is:

Liberals watch shows like this:
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Conservatives watch shows like this:
[fwallpapers.com image 425x340]

Any questions?


how are those corn pone eating hicks are getting out of this one?
 
2013-01-01 07:55:26 PM

thecolourdead: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Maybe someday people will understand that the national budget isn't analogous to a household budget. Until then, we'll continue to see stupid farking shiat like this.


Wait... you mean micro and macro economics are different things?!
 
2013-01-01 07:57:27 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.

I understand alright. I understand that nothing will get done as long as the Tea Party controls the House.

OK, so let's say this tax increase goes through and we now have covered 7% of the annual deficit covered. Let's even say we double it and now cover 15%.

Where's the rest come from? You've still got $850 million a year to deal with and that's before the ACA starts adding to the deficit.

Do you see any scenario in which you personally would sacrifice something whether it's additional taxes or delayed eligibility for SocSec or MCare?


Personally, I think cuts to entitlements are necessary.

Telling that you didn't throw military cuts into the mix. We're farked the longest and hardest there.
 
2013-01-01 07:58:32 PM
True leadership by Obama, Reid and Bohner there. Good job, guys.
 
2013-01-01 08:01:28 PM

cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone


So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?
 
2013-01-01 08:03:33 PM

Glancing Blow:
Eiger:
It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money. I'm not aware of any household that can (legally) do that.

- actually the federal government cannot print money, only the federal reserve can use that tool.



I'm pretty sure it can, any time it wants (see Constitutional powers of Congress). It's unlikely to do so, but it can which is an important reality when trying to understand the fundamentally different nature of the federal government from the household.

Additionally, I assume you already know this, but most people don't have a problem with using analogies to explain stuff. The problem w/ the household analogy is that it gives people a fundamentally erroneous understanding of the way national budgets work. Not by coincidence this erroneous understanding leads to "austerity" policies that disproportionately hurt the lower and middle classes and don't even work.
 
2013-01-01 08:04:22 PM

mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?


No, I am attempting to point out that everyone is acting like a dick
 
2013-01-01 08:05:27 PM

cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.


I thought I was screwing around on a not very serious website to kill time. Apparently, I'm a member of Congress. Who knew?
 
2013-01-01 08:06:17 PM

thecolourdead: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Maybe someday people will understand that the national budget isn't analogous to a household budget. Until then, we'll continue to see stupid farking shiat like this.


They aren't analogous so long as the government has the ability to borrow as much money as it needs to cover the deficits. The problem is we are treading into waters where there's no guarantee that we will be able to borrow as much as we'd like. Once that happens, the government has to start looking at its budget a little more like your average household does. It's easy to say "just raise revenues," but on average 18% of GDP is the best we've been able to do over the long haul.
 
2013-01-01 08:08:02 PM

Cataholic: treading into waters where there's no guarantee that we will be able to borrow as much as we'd like


Why not? Interest rates are ridiculously low and most of our debt is US-owned.
 
2013-01-01 08:08:32 PM

eiger: Glancing Blow:
Eiger:
It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money. I'm not aware of any household that can (legally) do that.

- actually the federal government cannot print money, only the federal reserve can use that tool.

I'm pretty sure it can, any time it wants (see Constitutional powers of Congress). It's unlikely to do so, but it can which is an important reality when trying to understand the fundamentally different nature of the federal government from the household.

Additionally, I assume you already know this, but most people don't have a problem with using analogies to explain stuff. The problem w/ the household analogy is that it gives people a fundamentally erroneous understanding of the way national budgets work. Not by coincidence this erroneous understanding leads to "austerity" policies that disproportionately hurt the lower and middle classes and don't even work.


Very true, the budget of a federal government is even drastically different from a state government.

The federal governments power to print money is in the literal sense, not for the purpose of expanding the money supply.
 
2013-01-01 08:08:47 PM

cman: mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?

No, I am attempting to point out that everyone is acting like a dick


I don't think Farkers have sworn an oath of office with a sacred duty to their constituents.  Despite that Farkers are overall less dickish than the average GOP politician.
 
2013-01-01 08:09:21 PM
Sounds like Boehner made clear to the House GOP that if the House doesn't pass the Senate version in an up-or-down vote, "House Republicans would take the blame for the ensuing economic fallout...The appeal seems to have worked."
House may hold its nose and vote on it after all, despite all the complaining this afternoon.
 
2013-01-01 08:10:28 PM

djkutch: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.

I understand alright. I understand that nothing will get done as long as the Tea Party controls the House.

OK, so let's say this tax increase goes through and we now have covered 7% of the annual deficit covered. Let's even say we double it and now cover 15%.

Where's the rest come from? You've still got $850 million a year to deal with and that's before the ACA starts adding to the deficit.

Do you see any scenario in which you personally would sacrifice something whether it's additional taxes or delayed eligibility for SocSec or MCare?

Personally, I think cuts to entitlements are necessary.

Telling that you didn't throw military cuts into the mix. We're farked the longest and hardest there.


I did in another post (throw military in)
 
2013-01-01 08:10:33 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, so let's say this tax increase goes through and we now have covered 7% of the annual deficit covered. Let's even say we double it and now cover 15%.

Where's the rest come from? You've still got $850 million a year to deal with and that's before the ACA starts adding to the deficit.

Do you see any scenario in which you personally would sacrifice something whether it's additional taxes or delayed eligibility for SocSec or MCare?


This thread is ridiculous, so gonna be a one and done...but I do have one thing to post...

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-01-01 08:10:36 PM

cman:
No, I am attempting to point out that everyone is acting like a dick


Even me?

*sadface*
 
2013-01-01 08:10:58 PM

ariseatex: Sounds like Boehner made clear to the House GOP that if the House doesn't pass the Senate version in an up-or-down vote, "House Republicans would take the blame for the ensuing economic fallout...The appeal seems to have worked."
House may hold its nose and vote on it after all, despite all the complaining this afternoon.


I refuse to believe that this is a reality until after the vote actually happens. And even then, I won't believe it until it's signed into law.
 
2013-01-01 08:11:03 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Smackledorfer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.

If someone older than you says that to you do you admit you are wrong and change your mind?

And if someone called you cute would you admit you were wrong and change your mind sir white knight?


You aren't very bright.
 
2013-01-01 08:12:14 PM

Nemo's Brother: True leadership by Obama, Reid and Bohner there. Good job, guys.


I love how you totally ignore the fact that it's the House that's throwing the wrench in this, not the Senate or the White House.

1/10 for pathetic effort, though.

/keep trollin', brother.
 
2013-01-01 08:12:44 PM

Funk Brothers: Good until the taxes are cut for the rich, there is no deal.

Why is Obama a richist?


Why should the rich get extra tax cuts?What's wrong with cutting taxes for everyone?

Obama is rich, by the way.
 
2013-01-01 08:13:17 PM

Cataholic: thecolourdead: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Maybe someday people will understand that the national budget isn't analogous to a household budget. Until then, we'll continue to see stupid farking shiat like this.

They aren't analogous so long as the government has the ability to borrow as much money as it needs to cover the deficits. The problem is we are treading into waters where there's no guarantee that we will be able to borrow as much as we'd like. Once that happens, the government has to start looking at its budget a little more like your average household does. It's easy to say "just raise revenues," but on average 18% of GDP is the best we've been able to do over the long haul.


Exactly. And as the ratio increases the confidence other nations have in the dollar value decreases. This is, in a small way, the same effect as the balance of trade deficit.
 
2013-01-01 08:16:36 PM

Smackledorfer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Smackledorfer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.

If someone older than you says that to you do you admit you are wrong and change your mind?

And if someone called you cute would you admit you were wrong and change your mind sir white knight?

You aren't very bright.


My God, you must have been brilliant on your HS debate team.
 
2013-01-01 08:18:30 PM

thecolourdead: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Maybe someday people will understand that the national budget isn't analogous to a household budget. Until then, we'll continue to see stupid farking shiat like this.


Maybe some day people realize that debt is debt and eventually it will catch up to you, even if you are a rich country that has no concept of fiscal responsibility.

Naw, no chance.  People like you think it's easy enough to fix by simply printing more money, completely ignoring what has happened every farking time that was attempted through out history.
 
2013-01-01 08:22:05 PM

eiger: It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money.


People who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation
 
2013-01-01 08:23:29 PM
My grandfather came back from WWII and bought a house for $10.
My father bought a house for $67 before he left for Korea, and when he came back he bought another one for $55.
When I came back from Vietnam I bough a house bigger than all of theirs combined for $29.
My son returned from the Gulf war and bought a house 1/3 the size of mine for $789,000.
When the housing bubble burst, I bought a mansion for $687, and sold it last June for $8,956,000, which I used as a downpayment for an RV for $9,851,000.
My granddaughter is an A-10 pilot, and her husband bought a house for $398, and a pony for $159,700.

What has happened to America?
 
2013-01-01 08:30:39 PM

MorePeasPlease: My grandfather came back from WWII and bought a house for $10.
My father bought a house for $67 before he left for Korea, and when he came back he bought another one for $55.
When I came back from Vietnam I bough a house bigger than all of theirs combined for $29.
My son returned from the Gulf war and bought a house 1/3 the size of mine for $789,000.
When the housing bubble burst, I bought a mansion for $687, and sold it last June for $8,956,000, which I used as a downpayment for an RV for $9,851,000.
My granddaughter is an A-10 pilot, and her husband bought a house for $398, and a pony for $159,700.

What has happened to America?


What in the fark are you talking about?
 
2013-01-01 08:33:39 PM

babygoat: MorePeasPlease: My grandfather came back from WWII and bought a house for $10.
My father bought a house for $67 before he left for Korea, and when he came back he bought another one for $55.
When I came back from Vietnam I bough a house bigger than all of theirs combined for $29.
My son returned from the Gulf war and bought a house 1/3 the size of mine for $789,000.
When the housing bubble burst, I bought a mansion for $687, and sold it last June for $8,956,000, which I used as a downpayment for an RV for $9,851,000.
My granddaughter is an A-10 pilot, and her husband bought a house for $398, and a pony for $159,700.

What has happened to America?

What in the fark are you talking about?


I think it's a very clever witticism on how real murricans can't do math. Or he's just a moron.
 
2013-01-01 08:34:06 PM

mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?


This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2013-01-01 08:36:55 PM

NateGrey: mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?

This is what Republicans actually believe.


doesn't even make any sense, Nate. You should have made a resolution to be funny for 2013
 
2013-01-01 08:39:04 PM
Across the board tax hikes and blame it on the Republicans.

Obama, Reid and Pelosi are wetting themselves.

It's the wetoldthemitwouldtrickledown.jpg moment Dem style.

Get your wallet out.
 
2013-01-01 08:39:27 PM
House Rules Committee is moving the bill to the House floor.

Up-or-down vote coming tonight.

Start making popcorn now, folks.
 
2013-01-01 08:39:56 PM

OgreMagi: eiger: It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money.

People who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation


So where is it?
 
2013-01-01 08:40:01 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Smackledorfer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Smackledorfer: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.

If someone older than you says that to you do you admit you are wrong and change your mind?

And if someone called you cute would you admit you were wrong and change your mind sir white knight?

You aren't very bright.

My God, you must have been brilliant on your HS debate team.


Dont worry, you will grow up and be on a hs debate team yourself before you know it..
 
2013-01-01 08:40:34 PM
Rep. Jim McGovern @RepMcGovern
Rules Comm just approved a closed rule to bring Senate-passed #fiscalcliff deal to floor. Vote currently expected at about 9:30.
 
2013-01-01 08:42:14 PM

OgreMagi: eiger: It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money.

People who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation


We are in no danger of hyperinflation.

Is this a real argument of yours or just you playing that horrible inept-devil's advocate game you like?
 
2013-01-01 08:42:44 PM
Are they 'truly' going to do this? Did Boehner somehow whip the Tea Derpers into line? How? Are they still defiantly refusing to go along with it?

We need to know these things!
 
2013-01-01 08:44:09 PM

Infernalist: Are they 'truly' going to do this? Did Boehner somehow whip the Tea Derpers into line? How? Are they still defiantly refusing to go along with it?

We need to know these things!


Sounds like he's going against the Hastert Rule and bringing it up knowing the majority of GOP reps will vote against it.

He must be tired of being Speaker.
 
2013-01-01 08:44:18 PM
Dammit, Boehner actually managed to talk them into an unedited bill.
 
2013-01-01 08:46:03 PM

ariseatex: Infernalist: Are they 'truly' going to do this? Did Boehner somehow whip the Tea Derpers into line? How? Are they still defiantly refusing to go along with it?

We need to know these things!

Sounds like he's going against the Hastert Rule and bringing it up knowing the majority of GOP reps will vote against it.

He must be tired of being Speaker.


Oh, this is better than I imagined. An open split in the GOP, an abandoning of the Hastert Rule and the long knives are going to come out soon. I cannot wait to hear what the Tea Derpers and Cantor have to say.
 
2013-01-01 08:48:40 PM
ok, so will somebody more astute than i at this stuff greenlight an article explaining what's happened / is going to happen or at least drop a paragraph or two of explanatory text into this thread. thanx.
 
2013-01-01 08:48:42 PM

ariseatex: House Rules Committee is moving the bill to the House floor.

Up-or-down vote coming tonight.

Start making popcorn now, folks.


Fun times.
 
2013-01-01 08:48:42 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: djkutch: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Hahahahaha, you're so cute.

thank you.

and you're so young and naïve, but eventually you'll understand.

I understand alright. I understand that nothing will get done as long as the Tea Party controls the House.

OK, so let's say this tax increase goes through and we now have covered 7% of the annual deficit covered. Let's even say we double it and now cover 15%.

Where's the rest come from? You've still got $850 million a year to deal with and that's before the ACA starts adding to the deficit.

Do you see any scenario in which you personally would sacrifice something whether it's additional taxes or delayed eligibility for SocSec or MCare?

Personally, I think cuts to entitlements are necessary.

Telling that you didn't throw military cuts into the mix. We're farked the longest and hardest there.

I did in another post (throw military in)


Apologies, then.

Military cuts should come first and foremost.

Sorry your business model didn't count on reducing the military industrial complex.

Let's start with say 50 embassies. Especially in countries with casinos.
 
2013-01-01 08:53:44 PM
Wonder if he grew a pair and said "anyone that votes against this can call themselves an independent immediately after the vote"
 
2013-01-01 08:55:01 PM
What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.
 
2013-01-01 08:58:20 PM

nobodyUwannaknow: What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.


It is stupid, IMHO.
 
2013-01-01 08:58:49 PM

nobodyUwannaknow: What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.


Requires a majority of the majority.
 
2013-01-01 08:59:07 PM

nobodyUwannaknow: What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.


GAH, Preview is my friend.
 
2013-01-01 09:01:54 PM

ariseatex: House Rules Committee is moving the bill to the House floor.

Up-or-down vote coming tonight.

Start making popcorn now, folks.


thanks ariseatex.
 
2013-01-01 09:05:01 PM

skullkrusher: NateGrey: mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?

This is what Republicans actually believe.

doesn't even make any sense, Nate. You should have made a resolution to be funny for 2013


Nice to see the potato contingent is here. It's been fun laughing at you Republicans. You guys are pretty dumb.
 
2013-01-01 09:05:57 PM

Infernalist: ariseatex: Sounds like he's going against the Hastert Rule and bringing it up knowing the majority of GOP reps will vote against it.
He must be tired of being Speaker.

Oh, this is better than I imagined. An open split in the GOP, an abandoning of the Hastert Rule and the long knives are going to come out soon. I cannot wait to hear what the Tea Derpers and Cantor have to say.



It's downright surreal over at Freeperville this evening. They don't even have the heart to sound angry right now. Just resigned to whatever happens as the "GOP-e" sells them down the river.

Even Cantor, following his attempt at obstruction with Boehner, is getting labeled a two-faced betrayer of the cause who's only taking the opportunity to get some political cover.

/always get a little nervous, when fanatics go all quiet-like
 
2013-01-01 09:06:05 PM
Krauthammer on Fox sounding so defeated.

Republican tears are awesome.
 
2013-01-01 09:06:43 PM
What exactly is the House GOP objection?

A tax increase? We are over the cliff. Tax rates have gone up. The Senate bill that has been sent to you reduces taxes. For every taxpayer. You guys claim to be *for* tax relief, remember? Why would you not vote for a bill that reduces taxes?

Because it doesn't lower them as much as you would like? It doesn't mandate a pony for every member of Congress? Insert "enemy of the good" and "gift horse in the mouth" type adages here. Your realistic alternative isn't a new pony, it is being held responsible for obstructing everyone's tax relief.

Because it doesn't include spending cuts? Part of the deal is leaving large automatic spending cuts pending. They will automatically happen very soon--unless you decide you don't want them to. (Bonus, you're going to have a chance to put a debt-limit gun to the country's head again.) You do want them to happen, right? Because you can block any move to reduce those spending cuts about as easily as you can block this tax reduction package. It just won't be quite so politically toxic to do that. (Technically you have slightly more clout right now than you will when spending cuts are considered...but also more than you will on the tax reduction issue if you punt it again.)

So what exactly is the coherent rationale for voting down the Senate proposal?

/difficulty: "If Obama's fer it, aaaaahm agin' it" doesn't count
 
2013-01-01 09:07:09 PM

NewportBarGuy: Lionel Mandrake: NewportBarGuy: They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.

Is it at least the end of the beginning?

Honestly? Yes. I think we are now safely on a several year path to unf*cking ourselves. It will be painful, but it will benefit us all and we'll be a stronger country for it. Those of us that remember these dark days will remind the younger ones of how not to handle the running of the country. Or... we just keep f*cking that chicken until the whole thing collapses. I'll be optimistic and go with the first prediction.


I disagree, I think Congress will go with the former. I think Congress will fark that chicken so hard and fill it so full of semen that it comes out through the feathers, spraying like a fountain of herpetic jism all over what was once our great nation.

/It's what the Koch brothers really want.
 
2013-01-01 09:07:09 PM
Republican lawmakers need to die. That is the only solution. Civil War
 
2013-01-01 09:07:22 PM

thecolourdead: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Maybe someday people will understand that the national budget isn't analogous to a household budget. Until then, we'll continue to see stupid farking shiat like this.


Whatever dude. The average country lives 85 years just like the average person. So their credit limit should be the same.
 
2013-01-01 09:09:00 PM
I think I'm getting ill as the realization of how close the end of our country really is

Link
 
2013-01-01 09:11:04 PM

mrshowrules: cman: mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?

No, I am attempting to point out that everyone is acting like a dick

I don't think Farkers have sworn an oath of office with a sacred duty to their constituents.  Despite that Farkers are overall less dickish than the average GOP politician.


There are actual penises that are less dickish than the average Republican politician.
 
2013-01-01 09:11:06 PM
 
2013-01-01 09:11:43 PM

NateGrey: skullkrusher: NateGrey: mrshowrules: cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.

Goading each other and playing the blame game wont get a deal passed. If you truly want to pass a deal then you should be serious about the situation.

Stop the "0bummer" jokes, and keep off with the "OMG WE THE VICTIMZ HEEAR". You are no victim.

And that goes for everyone

So if we all just come together in this thread, the whole budget debate thing in DC will be resolved?

This is what Republicans actually believe.

doesn't even make any sense, Nate. You should have made a resolution to be funny for 2013

Nice to see the potato contingent is here. It's been fun laughing at you Republicans. You guys are pretty dumb.


I'm starting to feel bad for you, lil fella
 
2013-01-01 09:12:05 PM

ariseatex: nobodyUwannaknow: What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.

GAH, Preview is my friend.


Thanks. And that is a terribly stupid rule. Looks like it murders bipartisan attempts at legislation if the majority party just stands firm.
 
2013-01-01 09:13:49 PM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: ariseatex: nobodyUwannaknow: What's a Hastert Rule?
It sounds stupid.

GAH, Preview is my friend.

Thanks. And that is a terribly stupid rule. Looks like it murders bipartisan attempts at legislation if the majority party just stands firm.


Which tells you everything you need to know about a) who came up with the rule and b) how interested they are in "bipartisanship."
 
2013-01-01 09:13:52 PM

COMALite J:

oh, yeah, and a 91% Top Marginal Tax Rate also helped the Middle Class participate in that prosperity) enabled them to fulfill that admirable-on-the-face-of-it goal more than any generation prior to them.


Not quite. Middle/lower class pay relatively less today than they did in the 1950s:

The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate
 
2013-01-01 09:14:18 PM
Boy, this thread escalated quickly.
 
2013-01-01 09:15:23 PM
NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.
 
2013-01-01 09:16:07 PM
If nothing else, I know who to put on ignore after one of these threads.
 
2013-01-01 09:16:34 PM

ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.


you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early
 
2013-01-01 09:17:13 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


Lesson 1: Gov't budgeting isn't identical to household budgeting.

Got it???... Ok, now...

Lesson 2: Because of two concepts in finance called "time-value of money" and "inflation," debt isn't always a bad thing.
 
2013-01-01 09:18:22 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


its a good thing the budget of a sovrigen nation is in no sense similar to a household budget.
 
2013-01-01 09:18:45 PM

skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early


Given that I made that comment in comparison to another "nonzero probability" event that I thought would never happen (i.e., Boehner breaking the Hastert Rule) which now looks like what will happen, I'm thinking the odds of the Anderson Cooper threesome are about down to zero anyway.
 
2013-01-01 09:19:08 PM
Republican rep Dreier just said climate change was a fact of life on CSPAN. I almost dropped my beer. I'm pretty sure he got voted out.
 
2013-01-01 09:19:35 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Lesson 2: Because of two concepts in finance called "time-value of money" and "inflation," debt isn't always a bad thing.


except the generic time value of money calculation uses the expected rate of return on "riskless" assets like US Treasuries so...
 
2013-01-01 09:19:56 PM

skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early


Republican humor!
 
2013-01-01 09:20:12 PM

skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early


Stay closeted, my friend.
 
2013-01-01 09:20:14 PM

ariseatex: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Given that I made that comment in comparison to another "nonzero probability" event that I thought would never happen (i.e., Boehner breaking the Hastert Rule) which now looks like what will happen, I'm thinking the odds of the Anderson Cooper threesome are about down to zero anyway.


I'm sorry to hear that. I am 100% straight and I think I might have sex with Anderson Cooper. He's a good looking dude.
 
2013-01-01 09:20:47 PM

ariseatex: ...Anderson Cooper threesome ...


And I now have my new band name.
 
2013-01-01 09:20:53 PM

Shakin_Haitian: Republican rep Dreier just said climate change was a fact of life on CSPAN. I almost dropped my beer. I'm pretty sure he got voted out.


From Wikipedia:

On February 29, 2012, Dreier announced that upon completion of his current term as a member of the United States Congress that he would not be seeking reelection.[31]

Nope, just retired.
 
2013-01-01 09:20:54 PM

djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.


nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing
 
2013-01-01 09:21:07 PM

Shakin_Haitian: Republican rep Dreier just said climate change was a fact of life on CSPAN. I almost dropped my beer. I'm pretty sure he got voted out.


1. He is leaving congress
2. Not even in the same ballpark as Zell Miller giving a speech at the GOP national convention
 
2013-01-01 09:21:33 PM

NateGrey: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Republican humor!


no, it isn't.
 
2013-01-01 09:23:34 PM

skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing


So, you're a Kennedy?
 
2013-01-01 09:24:00 PM

OgreMagi: eiger: It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money.

People who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation


Dude, we aren't even close to hyperinflation. We barely have inflation at all. Bernanke has sought to protect the savings of the rich over any little attempt to goose the economy. We could have discussed even more monetary expansion for years now.
 
2013-01-01 09:24:52 PM

NateGrey: Republican humor!


djkutch: Stay closeted, my friend.


In his defense, this was in response to a conversation from a few threads down, where I stated

"So if an amended bill is passed by the House today, there's still a nonzero chance that the Senate could pass it tomorrow. There's also a nonzero chance that I'll spend tonight in a mad passionate threesome with Anderson Cooper, but I'm not holding my breath on either."

No homophobia, just a statement based on my openly-gay-being version of "Well there's a chance I could sleep with Carmen Electra."

/good thing I looked up the full quote
//forgot what my comparison was a couple posts ago
///slashies come in threes
 
2013-01-01 09:25:38 PM

djkutch: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

So, you're a Kennedy?


not as far as I know
 
2013-01-01 09:26:14 PM
Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.
 
2013-01-01 09:27:01 PM

skullkrusher: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Lesson 2: Because of two concepts in finance called "time-value of money" and "inflation," debt isn't always a bad thing.

except the generic time value of money calculation uses the expected rate of return on "riskless" assets like US Treasuries so...


So... what? It doesn't change the fact that borrowing money and using it to make more money until it is owed back is a common, and often smart thing.
 
2013-01-01 09:28:42 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: skullkrusher: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Lesson 2: Because of two concepts in finance called "time-value of money" and "inflation," debt isn't always a bad thing.

except the generic time value of money calculation uses the expected rate of return on "riskless" assets like US Treasuries so...

So... what? It doesn't change the fact that borrowing money and using it to make more money until it is owed back is a common, and often smart thing.


you specifically referenced the time value of money. If you're paying interest on that money at a rate that is equivalent to the rate used to determine the future value of that money, it's a wash
 
2013-01-01 09:28:46 PM

NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.


I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?
 
2013-01-01 09:29:23 PM

ariseatex: NateGrey: Republican humor!

djkutch: Stay closeted, my friend.

In his defense, this was in response to a conversation from a few threads down, where I stated

"So if an amended bill is passed by the House today, there's still a nonzero chance that the Senate could pass it tomorrow. There's also a nonzero chance that I'll spend tonight in a mad passionate threesome with Anderson Cooper, but I'm not holding my breath on either."

No homophobia, just a statement based on my openly-gay-being version of "Well there's a chance I could sleep with Carmen Electra."

/good thing I looked up the full quote
//forgot what my comparison was a couple posts ago
///slashies come in threes


ha. i just favorited you.
 
2013-01-01 09:30:16 PM

Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?


I just refreshed drudgereport.com 5 times to make up for your 1 not-click.
This is what I am going to do from now on anytime feels the need to announce that they won't click a particular site.
 
2013-01-01 09:30:59 PM

NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.


Well, yes, we know they are, but what are they doing politically?
 
2013-01-01 09:31:32 PM

skullkrusher: Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?

I just refreshed drudgereport.com 5 times to make up for your 1 not-click.
This is what I am going to do from now on anytime feels the need to announce that they won't click a particular site.


Did you click it extra hard? I bet you did.
 
2013-01-01 09:32:14 PM

Infernalist: skullkrusher: Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?

I just refreshed drudgereport.com 5 times to make up for your 1 not-click.
This is what I am going to do from now on anytime feels the need to announce that they won't click a particular site.

Did you click it extra hard? I bet you did.


hard and fast at first. Then I clicked slowly. Finished up with a few hard clicks at the end
 
2013-01-01 09:32:17 PM

skullkrusher: Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?

I just refreshed drudgereport.com 5 times to make up for your 1 not-click.
This is what I am going to do from now on anytime feels the need to announce that they won't click a particular site.


I refuse to click on the Lemon Party website.
 
2013-01-01 09:32:37 PM

skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing


Except for you, apparently.
 
2013-01-01 09:33:00 PM

skullkrusher: Don't Troll Me Bro!: skullkrusher: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Lesson 2: Because of two concepts in finance called "time-value of money" and "inflation," debt isn't always a bad thing.

except the generic time value of money calculation uses the expected rate of return on "riskless" assets like US Treasuries so...

So... what? It doesn't change the fact that borrowing money and using it to make more money until it is owed back is a common, and often smart thing.

you specifically referenced the time value of money. If you're paying interest on that money at a rate that is equivalent to the rate used to determine the future value of that money, it's a wash


Why is this an assumption?
 
2013-01-01 09:33:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.


except for me what, nitwit?
 
2013-01-01 09:33:58 PM

skullkrusher: Infernalist: skullkrusher: Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?

I just refreshed drudgereport.com 5 times to make up for your 1 not-click.
This is what I am going to do from now on anytime feels the need to announce that they won't click a particular site.

Did you click it extra hard? I bet you did.

hard and fast at first. Then I clicked slowly. Finished up with a few hard clicks at the end


Did I mention that I refuse to click on goatse? It's true. And tubgirl.
 
2013-01-01 09:35:00 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: skullkrusher: Don't Troll Me Bro!: skullkrusher: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Lesson 2: Because of two concepts in finance called "time-value of money" and "inflation," debt isn't always a bad thing.

except the generic time value of money calculation uses the expected rate of return on "riskless" assets like US Treasuries so...

So... what? It doesn't change the fact that borrowing money and using it to make more money until it is owed back is a common, and often smart thing.

you specifically referenced the time value of money. If you're paying interest on that money at a rate that is equivalent to the rate used to determine the future value of that money, it's a wash

Why is this an assumption?


because the interest rate paid on government debt is the interest rate that is used for the generic time value of money calculation?
 
2013-01-01 09:35:14 PM
Turns out it's more like a jump ramp than the start of a bridge

Of course it is, subby. Government is inherently evil, and they're coming to steal your money.

RON PAUL!
 
2013-01-01 09:35:29 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.


Doesn't "do nothing" accomplish that?
 
2013-01-01 09:35:32 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?


Yeah, I'M the nitwit here.
 
2013-01-01 09:35:36 PM

Infernalist: skullkrusher: Infernalist: skullkrusher: Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?

I just refreshed drudgereport.com 5 times to make up for your 1 not-click.
This is what I am going to do from now on anytime feels the need to announce that they won't click a particular site.

Did you click it extra hard? I bet you did.

hard and fast at first. Then I clicked slowly. Finished up with a few hard clicks at the end

Did I mention that I refuse to click on goatse? It's true. And tubgirl.


done and done
 
2013-01-01 09:35:59 PM

Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?


It was a pic of Boner crying and some anti-Republican headlines. He just changed it to Obama laughing.

skullkrusher: Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?

I just refreshed drudgereport.com 5 times to make up for your 1 not-click.
This is what I am going to do from now on anytime feels the need to announce that they won't click a particular site.


Look how mad the Derpers are getting. Oh no they worked out a deal. Anti-Obama nuts are fun to laugh at. More tears my potato counting friend.
 
2013-01-01 09:36:00 PM
Is this our vote thread?
 
2013-01-01 09:36:12 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

Yeah, I'M the nitwit here.


yep, you sure are. Except for me what, Cam, you farking nitwit?
 
2013-01-01 09:36:33 PM

skullkrusher: Infernalist: skullkrusher: Infernalist: skullkrusher: Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?

I just refreshed drudgereport.com 5 times to make up for your 1 not-click.
This is what I am going to do from now on anytime feels the need to announce that they won't click a particular site.

Did you click it extra hard? I bet you did.

hard and fast at first. Then I clicked slowly. Finished up with a few hard clicks at the end

Did I mention that I refuse to click on goatse? It's true. And tubgirl.

done and done


I admire your commitment and consistency.
 
2013-01-01 09:36:49 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?


He's goading you. Cool yer jets
 
2013-01-01 09:37:05 PM

NateGrey: Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?

It was a pic of Boner crying and some anti-Republican headlines. He just changed it to Obama laughing.

skullkrusher: Infernalist: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I won't give drudge the click, so elaborate a bit on that for me, if you would. Is it just a pic, or actual info about the Tea Derper House GOP flipping out?

I just refreshed drudgereport.com 5 times to make up for your 1 not-click.
This is what I am going to do from now on anytime feels the need to announce that they won't click a particular site.

Look how mad the Derpers are getting. Oh no they worked out a deal. Anti-Obama nuts are fun to laugh at. More tears my potato counting friend.


I like the compromise. It's basically what I have been pulling for all along. You're an idiot, Nate. A really, really, really stupid boy.
 
2013-01-01 09:37:57 PM
what would've happened under Romney in this same situation?
 
2013-01-01 09:37:58 PM

cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets


and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?
 
2013-01-01 09:38:16 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


10/10, incredibly successful troll, dozens of bites and they keep coming.
 
2013-01-01 09:38:34 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

Yeah, I'M the nitwit here.

yep, you sure are. Except for me what, Cam, you farking nitwit?


Oh boy I do enjoy tweaking brittle people. Why am I a nitwit?
 
2013-01-01 09:39:13 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

Yeah, I'M the nitwit here.

yep, you sure are. Except for me what, Cam, you farking nitwit?

Oh boy I do enjoy tweaking brittle people. Why am I a nitwit?


nah, what you enjoy is making stupid statements and then trying to avoid backing them up.
 
2013-01-01 09:39:40 PM

utah dude: what would've happened under Romney in this same situation?


Romney would have had to win back in 2008 for the present situation to be any different.
 
2013-01-01 09:39:55 PM

skullkrusher: cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets

and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?


Calling me a nitwit isn't goading, It's insulting. And it isn't even a very good insult. It's an insult you can use in front of your grandma.
 
2013-01-01 09:40:02 PM

utah dude: what would've happened under Romney in this same situation?


Senate democrats would have caved and passed everything Romney wanted, including a complete abolishment of the federal minimum wage and the EPA.
 
2013-01-01 09:40:14 PM

skullkrusher: cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets

and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?


lol Vote getting closer and it's now a skullkrusher meltdown thread. Awesome.
 
2013-01-01 09:40:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets

and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?

Calling me a nitwit isn't goading, It's insulting. And it isn't even a very good insult. It's an insult you can use in front of your grandma.


I suppose adults don't find vulgarity all that novel anymore so insults you can use in front of your grandma are just as good.
 
2013-01-01 09:40:58 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

Yeah, I'M the nitwit here.

yep, you sure are. Except for me what, Cam, you farking nitwit?

Oh boy I do enjoy tweaking brittle people. Why am I a nitwit?

nah, what you enjoy is making stupid statements and then trying to avoid backing them up.


I enjoy seeing you fly off the handle at the drop of a hat. It's great fun. Didn't take much to set you off.
 
2013-01-01 09:41:41 PM

NateGrey: skullkrusher: cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets

and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?

lol Vote getting closer and it's now a skullkrusher meltdown thread. Awesome.


If there is anything sadder than a Fark leftie who even Fark lefties don't like, I don't think I've seen it
 
2013-01-01 09:42:12 PM

utah dude: what would've happened under Romney in this same situation?


Interesting question. Obama would still be president until inauguration. Imagine Romney team pressuring the players to do all of cutting and keeping the Bush tax cuts.
 
2013-01-01 09:42:17 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


Wow. That guy really is an asshole. I wonder where he posted that where it could annoy the most people? Or does he have it near his mirror so he can look at it while shaving?
 
2013-01-01 09:42:18 PM
House is voting? Norquist must be shiating his pants.
 
2013-01-01 09:42:39 PM

cman: Ok, I'm just gonna say my peace (piece?)

To be blunt, the left, the right, the ultra left, the ultra right, and lastly the Welsh, are all acting like a bunch of dicks in this thread.


You forgot the Methodists.
 
2013-01-01 09:42:42 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

Yeah, I'M the nitwit here.

yep, you sure are. Except for me what, Cam, you farking nitwit?

Oh boy I do enjoy tweaking brittle people. Why am I a nitwit?

nah, what you enjoy is making stupid statements and then trying to avoid backing them up.

I enjoy seeing you fly off the handle at the drop of a hat. It's great fun. Didn't take much to set you off.


Using an insult you can use in front of your grandma is now flying off the handle?
Yep, you're a nitwit alright. A nincompoop too
 
2013-01-01 09:43:03 PM
I mean it really didn'nt take much. Great stuff, SK. Make sure to take your Crestor.
 
2013-01-01 09:43:54 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I mean it really didn'nt take much. Great stuff, SK. Make sure to take your Crestor.


In his defense, you implied he was a homophobe. I wouldn't be happy either.
 
2013-01-01 09:44:07 PM

NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.


I want to see them getting into fistfights on the floor, like they do in other countries.
 
2013-01-01 09:44:58 PM
Wow. Politics tab and getting fully run out. I knew there was a reason I avoided this place.

One of them being that when in the politics tab, just as in real politics, quoted dollars and cents mean nothing. They are all imaginary to politicians.
 
2013-01-01 09:45:07 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

Yeah, I'M the nitwit here.

yep, you sure are. Except for me what, Cam, you farking nitwit?

Oh boy I do enjoy tweaking brittle people. Why am I a nitwit?

nah, what you enjoy is making stupid statements and then trying to avoid backing them up.

I enjoy seeing you fly off the handle at the drop of a hat. It's great fun. Didn't take much to set you off.

Using an insult you can use in front of your grandma is now flying off the handle?
Yep, you're a nitwit alright. A nincompoop too


Yup. You insulted me without me provoking you in the slightest. How sad is that?
 
2013-01-01 09:46:06 PM

Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: cameroncrazy1984: I mean it really didn'nt take much. Great stuff, SK. Make sure to take your Crestor.

In his defense, you implied he was a homophobe. I wouldn't be happy either.


Oh dear, better get the fainting couch.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 09:46:16 PM
fark all these people. There's not one good statesman ANYWHERE on capitol hill. All our leaders are frauds.
 
2013-01-01 09:46:23 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I mean it really didn'nt take much. Great stuff, SK. Make sure to take your Crestor.


nah, see, what happened was you didn't see ariseatex's explanation of my Anderson Cooper comment before you posted that and now you'd like to pretend you were just trying to goad me instead of admitting that once again, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
 
2013-01-01 09:46:38 PM

cryinoutloud: NateGrey: Love the pic Drudge has. Looks like the Derpers are revolting.

I want to see them getting into fistfights on the floor, like they do in other countries.


Ah the good old days...

blueandgraytrail.com
 
2013-01-01 09:47:00 PM
Thing is, at this point Democrats dont really care about spending. They like spending. They've spent the past 5 or 6 years successfully convincing the public that the only reason the sun comes up in the morning is on account of government spending, stimulus and QE. When it fails, it could have been worse and thank God we had it because had we not, the whole earth would have split into two pieces.

They see debt as a good thing and despite every credit agency in the world announcing that the US may be unable to service its debt, they place the blame on the scant few who are actually fighting to lower the debt. When the Democrats have re-written the narrative to establish that debt, unsustainable spending and government stimulus is the best way to operate an economy, history be damned, then anyone who seeks to lower debt is automatically the enemy whether their plan works or not.
 
2013-01-01 09:47:04 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: cameroncrazy1984: I mean it really didn'nt take much. Great stuff, SK. Make sure to take your Crestor.

In his defense, you implied he was a homophobe. I wouldn't be happy either.

Oh dear, better get the fainting couch.


you're not making yourself look any better
 
2013-01-01 09:47:33 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: cameroncrazy1984: I mean it really didn'nt take much. Great stuff, SK. Make sure to take your Crestor.

In his defense, you implied he was a homophobe. I wouldn't be happy either.

Oh dear, better get the fainting couch.


Yeah, but then a post later you said you didn't provoke him. Your standing in this argument is pretty weak.

/can't we all just get along?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 09:47:35 PM

Wanebo: Wow. Politics tab and getting fully run out. I knew there was a reason I avoided this place.

One of them being that when in the politics tab, just as in real politics, quoted dollars and cents mean nothing. They are all imaginary to politicians.


what? The dollars and cents being given to their campaigns (and kicked back to their own pockets) sure as hell means a lot to politicians.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 09:48:27 PM

o5iiawah: Thing is, at this point Democrats dont really care about spending. They like spending. They've spent the past 5 or 6 years successfully convincing the public that the only reason the sun comes up in the morning is on account of government spending, stimulus and QE. When it fails, it could have been worse and thank God we had it because had we not, the whole earth would have split into two pieces.

They see debt as a good thing and despite every credit agency in the world announcing that the US may be unable to service its debt, they place the blame on the scant few who are actually fighting to lower the debt. When the Democrats have re-written the narrative to establish that debt, unsustainable spending and government stimulus is the best way to operate an economy, history be damned, then anyone who seeks to lower debt is automatically the enemy whether their plan works or not.


Alas.. a fountain of talking points.
 
2013-01-01 09:48:34 PM
 
2013-01-01 09:48:35 PM

skullkrusher: cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets

and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?


No one, man.

I am doing this because I dont want you to take a vacation. Your insight is too valuable on Fark for it to be taken.
 
2013-01-01 09:49:14 PM

Wanebo: quoted dollars and cents mean nothing. They are all imaginary to politicians.


Still, an argument against a proposal on the basis of funding is a weak one. You argue its mertis, not whether it suits the bean counters.
 
2013-01-01 09:49:28 PM
Wow. This is the first time I've ever inadvertently caused a thread meltdown.

Apologies to all.

I will now go to bed and dream of a peaceful Capitol Hill, a peaceful Fark, and an evening with Anderson Cooper.

All three appear unlikely now.
 
2013-01-01 09:49:29 PM

cman: skullkrusher: cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets

and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?

No one, man.

I am doing this because I dont want you to take a vacation. Your insight is too valuable on Fark for it to be taken.


sarcasm?
 
2013-01-01 09:49:42 PM

d23: o5iiawah: Thing is, at this point Democrats dont really care about spending. They like spending. They've spent the past 5 or 6 years successfully convincing the public that the only reason the sun comes up in the morning is on account of government spending, stimulus and QE. When it fails, it could have been worse and thank God we had it because had we not, the whole earth would have split into two pieces.

They see debt as a good thing and despite every credit agency in the world announcing that the US may be unable to service its debt, they place the blame on the scant few who are actually fighting to lower the debt. When the Democrats have re-written the narrative to establish that debt, unsustainable spending and government stimulus is the best way to operate an economy, history be damned, then anyone who seeks to lower debt is automatically the enemy whether their plan works or not.

Alas.. a fountain of talking points.


alas, an argument you cant break, so you call it a "talking point"
 
2013-01-01 09:51:29 PM
NIU is being utterly outclassed at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. They gotta change the game.
 
2013-01-01 09:51:46 PM

o5iiawah: Thing is, at this point Democrats dont really care about spending. They like spending.


Gee things cost money. What a concept.

They see debt as a good thing and despite every credit agency in the world announcing that the US may be unable to service its debt, they place the blame on the scant few who are actually fighting to lower the debt.

Actually, this country had the credit until the Republicans decided to play political football and had our nation's credit rating devalued.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 09:52:02 PM

o5iiawah: d23: o5iiawah: Thing is, at this point Democrats dont really care about spending. They like spending. They've spent the past 5 or 6 years successfully convincing the public that the only reason the sun comes up in the morning is on account of government spending, stimulus and QE. When it fails, it could have been worse and thank God we had it because had we not, the whole earth would have split into two pieces.

They see debt as a good thing and despite every credit agency in the world announcing that the US may be unable to service its debt, they place the blame on the scant few who are actually fighting to lower the debt. When the Democrats have re-written the narrative to establish that debt, unsustainable spending and government stimulus is the best way to operate an economy, history be damned, then anyone who seeks to lower debt is automatically the enemy whether their plan works or not.

Alas.. a fountain of talking points.

alas, an argument you cant break, so you call it a "talking point"


It's a bullshiat argument that does nothing but act like a stereotype is real. Your own idiot Republican heroes have NO problem spending on items that they like and that funnel money to their corporate buddies.
 
2013-01-01 09:52:04 PM

Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: NIU is being utterly outclassed at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. They gotta change the game.


Remember kids, never Fark on multiple tabs at once.
 
2013-01-01 09:52:24 PM

o5iiawah: d23: o5iiawah: Thing is, at this point Democrats dont really care about spending. They like spending. They've spent the past 5 or 6 years successfully convincing the public that the only reason the sun comes up in the morning is on account of government spending, stimulus and QE. When it fails, it could have been worse and thank God we had it because had we not, the whole earth would have split into two pieces.

They see debt as a good thing and despite every credit agency in the world announcing that the US may be unable to service its debt, they place the blame on the scant few who are actually fighting to lower the debt. When the Democrats have re-written the narrative to establish that debt, unsustainable spending and government stimulus is the best way to operate an economy, history be damned, then anyone who seeks to lower debt is automatically the enemy whether their plan works or not.

Alas.. a fountain of talking points.

alas, an argument you cant break, so you call it a "talking point"


You made no argument. Everything in your previous post was 100% bullshiat GOP talking points.
 
2013-01-01 09:53:29 PM

Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: NIU is being utterly outclassed at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. They gotta change the game.

Remember kids, never Fark on multiple tabs at once.


nah, It's about as relevant as anything else around here. Anyone have an explanation for what the House just voted on?
 
2013-01-01 09:53:38 PM

o5iiawah: Alas.. a fountain of talking points.

alas, an argument you cant break, so you call it a "talking point"


LOL those were pretty bad. Rush LImbaugh would be proud of you.
 
2013-01-01 09:53:49 PM

cman: skullkrusher: cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets

and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?

No one, man.

I am doing this because I dont want you to take a vacation. Your insight is too valuable on Fark for it to be taken.


you make a very good point. However, I have been banned before and while the level of intellectual discourse and number of witty rejoinders on the tab did take a significant and noticeable hit during my absence, the world did not end. Plus, I am not gonna get banned for calling Cam a nitwit. The mods know he's a nitwit
 
2013-01-01 09:54:52 PM

skullkrusher: NateGrey: skullkrusher: cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets

and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?

lol Vote getting closer and it's now a skullkrusher meltdown thread. Awesome.

If there is anything sadder than a Fark leftie who even Fark lefties don't like, I don't think I've seen it


lol Someone needs a vacation. And their diaper changed. Been pretty cranky? Boner not the Republican you wish he would be?
 
2013-01-01 09:55:05 PM
Going to vote. Norquist must be tearing up his Dukes if Hazzard sheets in a rage.
 
2013-01-01 09:55:14 PM

Lost Thought 00: utah dude: what would've happened under Romney in this same situation?

Senate democrats would have caved and passed everything Romney wanted, including a complete abolishment of the federal minimum wage and the EPA.


yes, followed by no.
 
2013-01-01 09:55:50 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


Except the federal budget affects millions of jobs and billions of potential taxes (from said jobs).
 
2013-01-01 09:55:52 PM

NateGrey: skullkrusher: NateGrey: skullkrusher: cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets

and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?

lol Vote getting closer and it's now a skullkrusher meltdown thread. Awesome.

If there is anything sadder than a Fark leftie who even Fark lefties don't like, I don't think I've seen it

lol Someone needs a vacation. And their diaper changed. Been pretty cranky? Boner not the Republican you wish he would be?


you lost again, Nate. Go away.
 
2013-01-01 09:55:55 PM

Lost Thought 00: Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: NIU is being utterly outclassed at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. They gotta change the game.

Remember kids, never Fark on multiple tabs at once.

nah, It's about as relevant as anything else around here. Anyone have an explanation for what the House just voted on?


DRTFB, but I'm guessing it's the House, and that while America dodged a bullet with Romney, we got a drive-by with the Republican majority.
 
2013-01-01 09:56:34 PM

whidbey: LOL those were pretty bad. Rush LImbaugh would be proud of you.


talking point: an offering of vicoden and viagra upon the altar.
 
2013-01-01 09:56:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: cman: I am doing this because I dont want you to take a vacation. Your insight is too valuable on Fark for it to be taken.

sarcasm?


Doubtful. cman is the most casually ignorant person I've ever seen on this site.

/skullkrusher? Just a self-professed liar.
 
2013-01-01 09:58:35 PM

whidbey: we got a drive-by with the Republican majority.


whidbey: DRTFB, but I'm guessing it's the House, and that while America dodged a bullet with Romney, we got a drive-by with the Republican majority.


drive by? isn't it more of a STD riddled orgy?
 
2013-01-01 09:59:08 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: cameroncrazy1984: cman: I am doing this because I dont want you to take a vacation. Your insight is too valuable on Fark for it to be taken.

sarcasm?

Doubtful. cman is the most casually ignorant person I've ever seen on this site.

/skullkrusher? Just a self-professed liar.


I thought that you and I would have had some sort of mutual respect. I guess I am that ignorant.
 
2013-01-01 09:59:26 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: cameroncrazy1984: cman: I am doing this because I dont want you to take a vacation. Your insight is too valuable on Fark for it to be taken.

sarcasm?

Doubtful. cman is the most casually ignorant person I've ever seen on this site.

/skullkrusher? Just a self-professed liar.


lol I thought it was sarcasm too but then I read who said it.
 
2013-01-01 09:59:52 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: cameroncrazy1984: cman: I am doing this because I dont want you to take a vacation. Your insight is too valuable on Fark for it to be taken.

sarcasm?

Doubtful. cman is the most casually ignorant person I've ever seen on this site.

/skullkrusher? Just a self-professed liar.


What I said earlier about being a fark lefty that even other fark lefties don't like being the saddest thing ever? The guy who cries about being trolled 3 years ago and thinks it reflects badly on me and not him is a close runner up
 
2013-01-01 10:00:32 PM
Can we please clear the logjam in this thread and get it going again?

Thanks
 
2013-01-01 10:00:47 PM

cman: LouDobbsAwaaaay: cameroncrazy1984: cman: I am doing this because I dont want you to take a vacation. Your insight is too valuable on Fark for it to be taken.

sarcasm?

Doubtful. cman is the most casually ignorant person I've ever seen on this site.

/skullkrusher? Just a self-professed liar.

I thought that you and I would have had some sort of mutual respect. I guess I am that ignorant.


dude, don't sweat it. Lou, along with Nate, is one of the least insightful people on Fark. Hell, they make Cam look like Aristotle.
 
2013-01-01 10:02:26 PM

skullkrusher: Hell, they make Cam look like Aristotle.


To you, everyone is like Aristotle.
 
2013-01-01 10:02:38 PM

NateGrey: LouDobbsAwaaaay: cameroncrazy1984: cman: I am doing this because I dont want you to take a vacation. Your insight is too valuable on Fark for it to be taken.

sarcasm?

Doubtful. cman is the most casually ignorant person I've ever seen on this site.

/skullkrusher? Just a self-professed liar.

lol I thought it was sarcasm too but then I read who said it.


Classy, man. Classy.
 
2013-01-01 10:02:47 PM

cman: I thought that you and I would have had some sort of mutual respect. I guess I am that ignorant.


I think you're sincere, if that helps. But 99% of the things you say make me feel sad for you. Like my demented grandmother who thinks she's being stalked by a gigantic dog-person. You're just plain 100% wrong about basically everything.

But, unlike people like skullkrusher, you're not just doing it for attention. But you respect his opinion, which brings me back to the dementia thing.
 
2013-01-01 10:03:14 PM
Pelosi has a pretty nice rack.
 
2013-01-01 10:05:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Hell, they make Cam look like Aristotle.

To you, everyone is like Aristotle.


wow, you came up with that one really quickly! Impressive.
 
2013-01-01 10:06:15 PM

djkutch: Pelosi has a pretty nice rack.


Well thats just horrifying.
 
2013-01-01 10:06:27 PM

regindyn: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.

Doesn't "do nothing" accomplish that?


All he knows is he can rant about democrats for any bill less than perfect and dismiss criticisms by playing bsrb.

He says he wants an all around approach but complains at democrats insisting on more than just cuts.
 
2013-01-01 10:06:48 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


I assume somebody has pointed out how this should be $380, not $38?
 
2013-01-01 10:07:38 PM

Crown_of_Shoes: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I assume somebody has pointed out how this should be $380, not $38?


yep
 
2013-01-01 10:07:46 PM
So we avoid the worst consequences for the middle class, drive the Tea Party stark raving mad, and sit back to watch the party.

I'm ok with this.
 
2013-01-01 10:08:20 PM

cameroncrazy1984: djkutch: Pelosi has a pretty nice rack.

Well thats just horrifying.


I've thought djkutch
/They're probably bolt-ons anyway
 
2013-01-01 10:10:13 PM

buzzcut73: cameroncrazy1984: djkutch: Pelosi has a pretty nice rack.

Well thats just horrifying.

I've thought djkutch
/They're probably bolt-ons anyway


Damn, preview is your friend. I meant to say I've had what djkutch said go through my head before, immediately followed by what you said.

/Eyebleach thread?
 
2013-01-01 10:10:29 PM
Gonna ignore the derper and get back on topic.

Fox talking heads already positioning the debt ceiling in February as the next thing Republicans can hold the country hostage with. Wonder if Obama has plans to deal with the Republican tantrum after this.
 
2013-01-01 10:13:19 PM

NateGrey: Wonder if Obama has plans to deal with the Republican tantrum after this.


Well he tried to give away Social Security on this one, and was only stopped by members of his own party. So I'd imagine his opening position will be to let that one go, and Medicare will follow by the time the GOP puts Obama through the wringer with the leverage that they somehow have.
 
2013-01-01 10:14:03 PM

NateGrey: Wonder if Obama has plans to deal with the Republican tantrum after this.


Obama hinted at his play at the press conference.

That's really why Obama's comments posed a threat to a deal. The GOP's congressional leaders want to tell their members that if they just vote for this modest tax increase now, then they can move onto the debt ceiling, where their enhanced leverage will let them force a deal that's all spending cuts. Obama, in effect, said that's not true. He said if Republicans raise taxes now, he's going to pocket that tax increase and demand tax increases in the next deal, too. Link
 
2013-01-01 10:14:40 PM

buzzcut73: buzzcut73: cameroncrazy1984: djkutch: Pelosi has a pretty nice rack.

Well thats just horrifying.

I've thought djkutch
/They're probably bolt-ons anyway

Damn, preview is your friend. I meant to say I've had what djkutch said go through my head before, immediately followed by what you said.

/Eyebleach thread?


Norquist probably jacks to her in his Superman footies.

I would.
 
2013-01-01 10:16:14 PM

djkutch: buzzcut73: buzzcut73: cameroncrazy1984: djkutch: Pelosi has a pretty nice rack.

Well thats just horrifying.

I've thought djkutch
/They're probably bolt-ons anyway

Damn, preview is your friend. I meant to say I've had what djkutch said go through my head before, immediately followed by what you said.

/Eyebleach thread?

Norquist probably jacks to her in his Superman footies.

I would.


Link
 
2013-01-01 10:18:22 PM
It's time to hit the reset button...

odd.gonzojenny.com

Everyone go to your bunks, have a bout of angry masturbation, and come back ready to discuss the topic at hand (no pun intended).
 
2013-01-01 10:20:22 PM

Crown_of_Shoes: I assume somebody has pointed out how this should be $380, not $38?


When I got my first paycheck in 1955 it was for $38.
In 1972 it was $380, and I wasn't even a foreman.
Last year I retired and bought an RV to visit my granddaughter at her airshows across America, and laughed at my sons VA checks (he was a Transportation Senior Sergeant). Not too broke to buy gas, but happy enough to lie about it.

When they ask me why I voted for Obaba, I tell them that.
 
2013-01-01 10:30:23 PM
What a disingenuous article.
 
2013-01-01 10:30:46 PM

Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.


The thing that scares me is that I saw this on Facebook the other day, posted by a friend of mine who is actually a Cambridge-trained professional economist!
 
2013-01-01 10:32:40 PM
I got a funny feeling Obama is about to go completely Tai-chi on the republicans:

Republicans: "WE WANT CUTS TO MEDICARE FOR A RAISE TO THE DEBT CEILING!!!"
Obama: ok

Republicans: "WE WANT CUTS TO DEFENCE PENSIONS AS PART OF THE BUDGET!!!"
Obama: "ok, how about I delay the build on a couple of the next gen carriers too - that'll help reduce the deficit"
Republicans: "FINE!!!"

2 years later....

Democrats: "Republicans hate old people and our troops and make us less safe!"
Republicans: "FARK!"
Obama: "LOL!!!!"
 
2013-01-01 10:35:11 PM

BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.

The thing that scares me is that I saw this on Facebook the other day, posted by a friend of mine who is actually a Cambridge-trained professional economist!


But what was his field of study? There is a big difference between applied economics and home economics.
 
2013-01-01 10:40:50 PM

BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.

The thing that scares me is that I saw this on Facebook the other day, posted by a friend of mine who is actually a Cambridge-trained professional economist!


huh, a less arrogant person might reconsider his reflexive reaction to it in that case ;)
 
2013-01-01 10:41:12 PM
And we're on the clock!
 
2013-01-01 10:45:02 PM
91:50 so far

~90% of Dems, and
~40% of Repubs.


Should make it....
 
2013-01-01 10:47:01 PM
Five seconds after the GOP takes the White House and Congress:

<b>ZOMG THREAT THREAT DANGER THREAT SPEND BILLIONS TRILLIONS QUADRILLIONS AIRCRAFT CARRIERS F35S SUPERNUKES STEALTH LASTER SHARKS THREAT THREAT DANGER ZOMG THREAT</B>

/don't worry we'll pay for it with tax cuts to job creators
//and besides deficits don't matter in this new post-Kenyan age
 
2013-01-01 10:47:02 PM
Is this the final vote right now?
 
2013-01-01 10:47:21 PM

max_pooper: BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.

The thing that scares me is that I saw this on Facebook the other day, posted by a friend of mine who is actually a Cambridge-trained professional economist!

But what was his field of study? There is a big difference between applied economics and home economics.


His specialty is real estate and land use. The funny thing is that when I met him he was a proud British citizen who expressed general contempt for everything American, and he described himself as slightly to the right of Atilla the Hun - as he said, "my family has been voting Tory for 400 years, and I see no reason to change now." Today he's a naturalized US citizen, a dependable Democratic voter, and a huge Obama supporter - but every now and then he relapses.
 
2013-01-01 10:48:11 PM
xtupload.com

How ironic that the outgoing lame duck Teabagger class of 2010, champions of Taxed Enough Already, are the ones voting "yes" on these tax increases.
 
2013-01-01 10:48:15 PM

DrGunsforHands: Is this the final vote right now?


Yes.
 
2013-01-01 10:48:33 PM
and away we go!
 
2013-01-01 10:49:22 PM
8 minutes left:
Yea 122
Nay 72

232 still to vote
 
2013-01-01 10:49:48 PM
200 motherfarkers haven't even voted yet.
 
2013-01-01 10:51:14 PM

skullkrusher: BMulligan: Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.

The thing that scares me is that I saw this on Facebook the other day, posted by a friend of mine who is actually a Cambridge-trained professional economist!

huh, a less arrogant person might reconsider his reflexive reaction to it in that case ;)


He may be a Cambridge trained economist, and I may indeed be arrogant, but wrong is wrong. Comparing a national economy to a household budget is simply ignorant.
 
2013-01-01 10:51:56 PM

RminusQ: 200 motherfarkers haven't even voted yet.


Can they extend the time if they want to?
 
2013-01-01 10:52:43 PM
Boner voted Yes.
 
2013-01-01 10:54:08 PM

BMulligan: He may be a Cambridge trained economist, and I may indeed be arrogant, but wrong is wrong. Comparing a national economy to a household budget is simply ignorant.


if that's indeed the intent. Perhaps it is just trying to couch the numbers in terms and concepts that the average person understands without trying to draw a "The Federal budget is just like a household budget" sort of analogy?
It doesn't make any dubious claims in that bit - I am not Cambridge trained but I did go to a Catholic Ivy with a solid econ dept and I find it kosher when taken at face value. (aside from the math error)
 
2013-01-01 10:54:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.


And meanwhile, the more we prove how dysfunctional our government is, like we are right now, the more our credit rating is going to tank, as ratings agencies start to anticipate a needless default.
 
2013-01-01 10:54:56 PM

DrGunsforHands: RminusQ: 200 motherfarkers haven't even voted yet.

Can they extend the time if they want to?


Yes, they can hold it open for hours if they want. That said, most critters don't register their votes until the last possible second
 
2013-01-01 10:55:13 PM

NateGrey: Boner voted Yes.


Where's the per person breakdown?
 
2013-01-01 10:55:21 PM
anyone have a link to watch?
 
2013-01-01 10:55:34 PM
Kinda shocked some house reps are voting for this bill
 
2013-01-01 10:55:56 PM

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: anyone have a link to watch?


Link

Also C-Span.
 
2013-01-01 10:56:19 PM

skullkrusher:
you make a very good point. However, I have been banned before and while the level of intellectual discourse and number of witty rejoinders on the tab did take a significant and noticeable hit during my absence, the world did not end. Plus, I am not gonna get banned for calling Cam a nitwit. The mods know he's a nitwit


Ha.ha. Your welcome. ;) Teehee

192-133

Needs 210.
 
2013-01-01 10:56:29 PM
I think it passed
 
2013-01-01 10:57:21 PM
Applause starts up slowly. And we're across 218.
 
2013-01-01 10:57:23 PM
And the cliff was averted!
 
2013-01-01 10:58:52 PM
So we are good for 2 months, and then we go into debt ceiling government shutdown again, probably with another credit downgrade.
 
2013-01-01 10:59:48 PM
Obama's quite the politician--I can't wait for the books/documentaries after---explaining the backroom deals--and how he continually embarrassed the GOP at their own game.
 
2013-01-01 11:00:28 PM
Haha so Norquist said every Republican voting FOR the bill is honoring the pledge, because the tax cuts lapsed at midnight. So 150 voted to not cut taxes?
 
2013-01-01 11:01:35 PM

Lost Thought 00: So we are good for 2 months, and then we go into debt ceiling government shutdown again, probably with another credit downgrade.


There better be some political accountability and consequence for this tom foolery this time damn it.
 
2013-01-01 11:01:39 PM
@GroverNorquist
The Bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. Every R voting for Senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge.


I bet he threw up in his mouth as he choked that out.
 
2013-01-01 11:01:57 PM

silgryphon: And the cliff was averted!


God dammit, more stagnation.
 
2013-01-01 11:02:26 PM

TheAgeOfEgos: @GroverNorquist
The Bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. Every R voting for Senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge.


I bet he threw up in his mouth as he choked that out.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-01 11:03:57 PM
Norquist:
"You can tell I'm winning by how badly I lost."
 
2013-01-01 11:05:36 PM

bemused outsider: Norquist:
"You can tell I'm winning by how badly I lost."


Time for a Charlie Sheen/Norquist "Winning" hybrid. If only I had talent.
 
2013-01-01 11:06:15 PM
Norquist:
"I AM relevant, I AM, I AM I AM"
 
2013-01-01 11:06:21 PM

NateGrey: skullkrusher:
you make a very good point. However, I have been banned before and while the level of intellectual discourse and number of witty rejoinders on the tab did take a significant and noticeable hit during my absence, the world did not end. Plus, I am not gonna get banned for calling Cam a nitwit. The mods know he's a nitwit

Ha.ha. Your welcome. ;) Teehee

192-133

Needs 210.


and it got the necessary votes. This makes me happy. My welcome what, by the way?
 
2013-01-01 11:06:49 PM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Lost Thought 00: So we are good for 2 months, and then we go into debt ceiling government shutdown again, probably with another credit downgrade.

There better be some political accountability and consequence for this tom foolery this time damn it.


There will be. Many moderate Republicans will be kicked out of the House and replaced with solid right wing "tea party" types, therebye making the House even more obstinate. Senate will remain in Democratic hands despite Republicans having the on-paper math advantage heading into the 2014 cycle, similar to the last 2 cycles.
 
2013-01-01 11:07:10 PM
More taxes, more spending. Awesome....yeaaaaaaaa!
 
2013-01-01 11:08:04 PM
i.chzbgr.com

//Still a shiatty bill
 
2013-01-01 11:08:18 PM

Lost Thought 00: So we are good for 2 months, and then we go into debt ceiling government shutdown again, probably with another credit downgrade.


Yeah, fark these people. Applauding for their feeble effort. And that only from Obama twisting their arms so hard they squealed.
 
2013-01-01 11:08:41 PM
Cantor voted no.
 
2013-01-01 11:08:42 PM
Bottom line, we all see our take-home pay decrease, because the payroll tax break got rolled back.
 
2013-01-01 11:08:48 PM
So today they voted FOR something that for the past 2 years was totally unacceptable.

Obama's learning the game.
 
2013-01-01 11:09:33 PM
So has the U.S. Government jumped the shark yet?
 
2013-01-01 11:09:51 PM
President to speak at 11:20.
 
2013-01-01 11:09:55 PM

netcentric: More taxes, more spending. Awesome....yeaaaaaaaa!


taxes rather unlikely to cause much of an economic impact and cutting government spending in an economy still struggling to gain traction is a bad idea so yeah, it is a good thing.
 
2013-01-01 11:11:08 PM
So, set your clocks for 2 years from now, when the next "beyond the last minute" vote takes place.

Nice job. If you can get it.
 
2013-01-01 11:12:45 PM
So does Obama come on and put on his trollface and say this deal is still shiat and veto it?
 
2013-01-01 11:12:56 PM
Obama should veto it just to fark with them:)
 
2013-01-01 11:13:02 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: President to speak at 11:20.



Would be almost funny if he tosses it back to them "Not good enough, try again"
 
2013-01-01 11:13:58 PM

Dougie AXP: Cantor voted no.



xtupload.com

Cantor is going to crucify Boner with this as he makes his move for the Speakership.
 
2013-01-01 11:14:21 PM
257-167, with 85 Republicans voting yea who will be primaried in 2014
 
2013-01-01 11:14:59 PM

bemused outsider: So, set your clocks for 2 years from now,Next Month when the next "beyond the last minute" vote takes place.

Nice job. If you can get it.


FTFY

We'll probably go through this same shiat with the debt ceiling again.
 
2013-01-01 11:15:08 PM

Goodfella: Dougie AXP: Cantor voted no.


[xtupload.com image 625x391]

Cantor is going to crucify Boner with this as he makes his move for the Speakership.


The fact that this was even brought to the floor tells me Boehner may voluntarily give up his position, and possibly his seat. He knows he won't survive this.
 
2013-01-01 11:15:14 PM

skullkrusher: I like the compromise. It's basically what I have been pulling for all along. You're an idiot, Nate. A really, really, really stupid boy.


Some of it's great regardless of party. They finally permanently fixed the AMT, something that's been needed for TWENTY FIVE YEARS and they kept putting it off.

I hate the methods, but this actually looks like a well-structured deal.
 
2013-01-01 11:15:16 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: President to speak at 11:20.


THIS BLACK ASSHOLE BETTER NOT INTERRUPT MY FOOTBALL GAME
 
2013-01-01 11:15:58 PM
When he speaks shortly, what're the odds on President Obama uttering the phrase:

1) "The winners are the American people."

2) "... didn't get what they wanted."

3) "The middle class is protected"

4) "Sasha and Malia, go to bed."
 
2013-01-01 11:15:59 PM
LOL, blitz approval of all sorts of bills going on now.

"So many as are in favor aye?" [silence] "Those opposed no" [silence] "In the opinion of the chair, two thirds being in the affirmative, the rules are suspended, the bill is passed, and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. [GAVEL]

/rinse and repeat
//hey good thing you left all this shiat to literally the last 37 hours of the term
 
2013-01-01 11:16:22 PM
How will I view the president's speech online? Anyone kind enough to post a link?
 
2013-01-01 11:16:56 PM

Swoop1809: So does Obama come on and put on his trollface and say this deal is still shiat and veto it?



I think we'll see something more like this:

xtupload.com

/Obama is playing Romulan advanced intergalactic chess
//GOP is playing full potato tic tac toe
 
2013-01-01 11:17:21 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: skullkrusher: I like the compromise. It's basically what I have been pulling for all along. You're an idiot, Nate. A really, really, really stupid boy.

Some of it's great regardless of party. They finally permanently fixed the AMT, something that's been needed for TWENTY FIVE YEARS and they kept putting it off.

I hate the methods, but this actually looks like a well-structured deal.


Depends on what you are measuring it against. If you consider the goal to get us over this particular moment, then it is adequate. If the goal was to provide some form of long-term stability and avoid similar fights like this in the near future, then it failed miserably.
 
2013-01-01 11:17:26 PM

uksocal: Bottom line, we all see our take-home pay decrease, because the payroll tax break got rolled back.


Actually it will simply stay where it is now. The payroll tax funds social security. When government gives you a payroll tax cut, they do so with the understanding that they are either going to have to tax it back double to pay for it, or reduce your benefit.

Skirl Hutsenreiter: And meanwhile, the more we prove how dysfunctional our government is, like we are right now, the more our credit rating is going to tank, as ratings agencies start to anticipate a needless default.


The chance of default wont happen as long as we operate a functional printing press, it is the level debt which is now causing our credit rating to wobble.
 
2013-01-01 11:18:00 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


cute
but the first half FAILED at removing 8 zeros, so it just lies
and the second half is a retarded analogy

but keep CHOKING THAT CHICKEN
 
2013-01-01 11:18:14 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: skullkrusher: I like the compromise. It's basically what I have been pulling for all along. You're an idiot, Nate. A really, really, really stupid boy.

Some of it's great regardless of party. They finally permanently fixed the AMT, something that's been needed for TWENTY FIVE YEARS and they kept putting it off.

I hate the methods, but this actually looks like a well-structured deal.


more work is definitely needed but mandatory spending cuts and an across the board tax increase would be a very bad thing right now
 
2013-01-01 11:19:42 PM

o5iiawah: uksocal: Bottom line, we all see our take-home pay decrease, because the payroll tax break got rolled back.

Actually it will simply stay where it is now. The payroll tax funds social security. When government gives you a payroll tax cut, they do so with the understanding that they are either going to have to tax it back double to pay for it, or reduce your benefit. Skirl Hutsenreiter: And meanwhile, the more we prove how dysfunctional our government is, like we are right now, the more our credit rating is going to tank, as ratings agencies start to anticipate a needless default.

The chance of default wont happen as long as we operate a functional printing press, it is the level debt which is now causing our credit rating to wobble.


I understand it has to be paid eventually either way, but 2% wasn't being taken out of our paycheck, now it will be? I really am fuzzy on that, there actually should have been a "?" on my original post.
 
2013-01-01 11:20:25 PM
I like how Cantor is holding the knife in his left hand so it's less obvious.
 
2013-01-01 11:20:39 PM
Ah. I found the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIvkhO5MwmU
 
2013-01-01 11:20:46 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Yeah, I keep seeing that stupid thing posted. Good job.


did you notice that the tards got the nubmers WRONG?
that the budget cuts should be 385.00 not 38.50?
but their example better fits their story ....
 
2013-01-01 11:21:11 PM
lookit Biden's grin
 
2013-01-01 11:21:42 PM
I don't think this constitutes the wealthiest 2% anymore, Mr BO
 
2013-01-01 11:22:05 PM
Freeperville shocked and dismayed that Paul Ryan voted yes. Many expressing confusion at Norquist's position on the vote.

/popcorn
 
2013-01-01 11:23:17 PM

Swoop1809: So does Obama come on and put on his trollface and say this deal is still shiat and veto it?


I kind of want this tbh. Get a better bill later this week, with tax increases starting 1% at 50k, 3% at 100k, 5% at 250k, and 10% at 750k. Use that money, along with modest cuts in the Pentagon budget, to fund a massive infrastructure campaign. Hell, while I'm dreaming, I may as well wish for a $20/hr minimum wage and printing enough money to pay down the debt to 10% of GDP. Inflation is good for debtors, and the financiers have screwed the debtors for long enough. It would also stick it to asshole companies who have been hoarding cash instead of hiring. Of course, it would screw people's retirement savings, but somebody smarter than me could figure out how to fix that.
 
2013-01-01 11:23:37 PM
media.zenfs.com
 
2013-01-01 11:28:42 PM
what did the dickweasel shout as obama concluded? Something about 2 months?
 
2013-01-01 11:28:45 PM

Bisu: COMALite J:

oh, yeah, and a 91% Top Marginal Tax Rate also helped the Middle Class participate in that prosperity) enabled them to fulfill that admirable-on-the-face-of-it goal more than any generation prior to them.


Not quite. Middle/lower class pay relatively less today than they did in the 1950s:

The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate


Summing up the article, The rich paid too much along, and the middle class should shut up because their effective tax rate has reduced over the last 50 years, because Saint Reagan saved us all through deregulation and eliminating loopholes, which created the worlds most amazing economy. Ever.

(But we'll leave out the mini-recession in his first term, how Americans earn actually less than we did 40 years ago when adjusted for inflation, and the 12 times he raised taxes to try and plug the hole, because you know, communism. Or socialism. Whatever. Just blame Obama)
 
2013-01-01 11:30:20 PM
 
2013-01-01 11:30:20 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: When he speaks shortly, what're the odds on President Obama uttering the phrase:
1) "The winners are the American people."
2) "... didn't get what they wanted."
3) "The middle class is protected"
4) "Sasha and Malia, go to bed."


5) "...shoved it down their throats."
 
2013-01-01 11:30:42 PM

Hueg_Redd: what did the dickweasel shout as obama concluded? Something about 2 months?


You watching something other than what I'm watching? Right now there is a line of representatives talking about adjourning before voting on the Hurricane Sandy funding?
 
2013-01-01 11:32:13 PM
You're watching the House, Obama was just on Whitehouse.gov
 
2013-01-01 11:33:17 PM
i.huffpost.com
 
2013-01-01 11:34:44 PM

Hueg_Redd: what did the dickweasel shout as obama concluded? Something about 2 months?


oh right. the debt ceiling fiasco part 2 is in 2 months. must be related to that. It always amuses me when people start shouting questions as the President walks away - has a President ever turned around and answered them? What's the point? Just seems rude...

TheOther: [i.huffpost.com image 570x380]


That photo is priceless
 
2013-01-01 11:36:16 PM
two more months of rope and adding almost $4 trillion to the debt is quite a victory ya got there, Republitards.
 
2013-01-01 11:38:39 PM

bemused outsider: You're watching the House, Obama was just on Whitehouse.gov


Any place to see this again? Was refreshing Cspan links as it said it was available shortly. (sigh)
 
2013-01-01 11:41:44 PM
Dunno. I used the YouTube link, above.
 
2013-01-01 11:44:34 PM

bemused outsider: Dunno. I used the YouTube link, above.


Thanks
 
2013-01-01 11:46:09 PM

Hueg_Redd:

TheOther: [i.huffpost.com image 570x380]

That photo is priceless


Not a huge fan of Democratic surrender tactics, but Uncle Joe laughing in the Republicans' faces buys a lot of goodwill for the day.
 
2013-01-01 11:46:20 PM
Debt ceiling
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2013-01-01 11:46:52 PM
So, we got a 12% cut to Defense, 12% cut to discretionary spending and tax rates back up to Clinton era rates for every household making more than 450k a year, oh and unemployment benefits are extended for another year.

I'd have preferred keeping it down at 250k, but I can live with the deal. Especially considering that for the first time in a long while, the GOP lock-step was broken and broken in a big way.

The Freepers are in meltdown over Ryan voting for the bill, and it's about what I anticipated: They're going to try and primary every single last 'yes' vote on that roll call.
 
2013-01-01 11:47:03 PM
They are ripping Boehner a new one right now over this failure to allow a vote for Hurricane Sandy relief.
Oddly enough, this may be the thing that causes him to loose his job.
 
2013-01-01 11:47:36 PM

dave2198: Everyone go to your bunks, have a bout of angry masturbation...


is there any other kind?
 
2013-01-01 11:48:26 PM

cretinbob: two more months of rope and adding almost $4 trillion to the debt is quite a victory ya got there, Republitards.


Even the CBO says that $4 trillion figure is misleading, since it's based on having gone over the fiscal cliff for all of 24 meaningless hours rather than being based on the numbers of December 31, 2012.

I fully expect we'll see Speaker Cantor by the end of the week, unless he's too chickenshiat to take the lead spot and prefers using Boehner for political cover. Boehner's going to get villified by the right, even though he likely saved the GOP for the immediate future (they can still blow it in 2 months). If they had farked this up, they could've kissed 2014 goodbye, gerrymandering or not.
 
2013-01-01 11:50:08 PM
Obama should keep them in service until this thing is voted on. No vacay for you.
 
2013-01-01 11:51:40 PM
well well I wish i could have seen Norquist's face when the vote tally came out.
 
2013-01-01 11:53:43 PM

bronyaur1: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Unfortunately, there are ppl who actually believe that this silly little simpleton picture is relevant to the actual economics of the situation. For example, how many households owe their mortgage primarily to their own family members? How many families can, at will, increase their income with the stroke of a pen?


Mitt Romney. Checkmate.

/Snarkiness adds NOTHING to the conversation.
 
2013-01-01 11:55:58 PM

grimlock1972: well well I wish i could have seen Norquist's face when the vote tally turd came out.


//just toilet humor
 
2013-01-01 11:56:00 PM

skullkrusher: cman: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: djkutch: skullkrusher: ariseatex: NBCWashington @nbcwashington
RT @NBCNews: RT @LukeRussert: GOP aides expect final votes at 11:30-11:45

Might as well finish my popcorn now. I'm not staying up that late.

you're never gonna see Anderson's Pooper if you go to bed that early

Stay closeted, my friend.

nah, if I were gay I'd be out by now.
My family is pretty tolerant about that sort of thing

Except for you, apparently.

except for me what, nitwit?

He's goading you. Cool yer jets

and what do you think I'm doing?
who the hell made you Fark thread referee anyway?


Somebody is Mr Grumpykins!
 
2013-01-01 11:57:04 PM

ricochet4: dave2198: Everyone go to your bunks, have a bout of angry masturbation...

is there any other kind?


The sad kind, where you use your tears as lubricant and cry yourself to sleep afterwards. Oh, you were asking if there was any other kind. I thought you were asking what's the best kind.
 
2013-01-01 11:59:44 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Cataholic: treading into waters where there's no guarantee that we will be able to borrow as much as we'd like

Why not? Interest rates are ridiculously low and most of our debt is US-owned.


If you were EVER going to borrow money like a drunken republican, now is the time.
Have we refinanced all of our OLD debt? Because that would be even more epic.
(yes, I know, we sold fixed rate bonds, so no, we can refi them ... but ....)
 
2013-01-02 12:03:03 AM

namatad: If you were EVER going to borrow money like a drunken republican, now is the time.


Well, Iran does still need to be bombed, good point. We need an incident to bully the Democrats into funding a launch.
 
2013-01-02 12:04:59 AM

gadian: Obama should keep them in service until this thing is voted on. No vacay for you.


That would make sense if he wasn't already on Air Force One back to Hawaii.
 
2013-01-02 12:05:50 AM
What the hell FERPA amendment did they ram through at the end when they were just reading bills and passing them?
 
2013-01-02 12:07:04 AM
"Paul Ryan pushed through this bill from this Marxist-in-Chief president we have and his Democrat colleagues."

"Thanks for the call."
 
2013-01-02 12:07:04 AM
BudTheSpud That would make sense if he wasn't already on Air Force One back to Hawaii.

Hey, the mans done his part.
 
2013-01-02 12:09:35 AM

cretinbob: You mean the one that isn't going to pass the House anyway?


It passed the House. Do you feel bad now?
 
2013-01-02 12:09:54 AM
Overall, not a bad deal.  I wish they could have dealt with the sequestration and debt ceiling instead of kicking the can down the road, but there are some good things here.  Could the deal have been better?  Sure.  Would it have been better politically to go off the cliff?  In some respects, but I think there were consequences for the average American that the President wanted to avoid.  That said, despite Grover Norquist's bullshiat, the Dems did pull off something remarkable: they forced the GOP to accept multiple tax increases, something I never would have expected after 2010.

What does all of this mean going forward?  I don't really know.  The Republican spin is so obvious that only the most rabid of partisans will buy it, and I suspect the American people are still going to hold them responsible for what comes next.  Obama comes off looking like a statesman even if the liberal wing spends the next few weeks grumbling.

Overall, not a perfect deal but a step in the right direction.
 
2013-01-02 12:12:03 AM

BudTheSpud: gadian: Obama should keep them in service until this thing is voted on. No vacay for you.

That would make sense if he wasn't already on Air Force One back to Hawaii.


Yeah I heard that, but how in the world has he already signed the bill?
 
2013-01-02 12:14:19 AM
That grinning Biden pic needs a caption: "We got 98% of what we asked for!"
 
2013-01-02 12:23:04 AM

RminusQ: BudTheSpud: gadian: Obama should keep them in service until this thing is voted on. No vacay for you.

That would make sense if he wasn't already on Air Force One back to Hawaii.

Yeah I heard that, but how in the world has he already signed the bill?


Since the tax changes in the bill are retroactive to Janurary 1st, the President doesn't even a really even have to sign the bill. He can let it sit on his desk for 7 days and it will automatically become law.

My guess is he will finish up his vacation with his family and come back and sign the mofo.
 
2013-01-02 12:25:18 AM

max_pooper: Since the tax changes in the bill are retroactive to Janurary 1st, the President doesn't even a really even have to sign the bill. He can let it sit on his desk for 7 days and it will automatically become law.

My guess is he will finish up his vacation with his family and come back and sign the mofo.


And the President can sign bills from anywhere in the world via autopen anyway.
 
2013-01-02 12:40:58 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: [media.zenfs.com image 850x566]


media.zenfs.com

I really wish that Capitol Police Officer on the right hand side was in the process of arresting them all for treason. The charge: Holding the country hostage by holding back voting on what used to be a simple vote for allowing to pay for things that were already authorized by prior voting, just to make sure the wealthy get even more benefits than they got under the Bush tax cuts! There were a majority of votes that authorized the Affordable Healthcare Act, probably some of theirs (to make them look good in the eyes of their constituents), but then they find underhanded tactics in attempting to eliminate something they voted for (when putting it through the Supreme Court didn't work, now they're trying to hold back the funding authorization and include other stuff they don't like). Maybe they could also arrest Bohener for being a crybaby?!

I am starting to think that George Carlin is right, that the owners of this country want everything, our pensions (they already got, turning them into 401Ks that devalue more often than increase), Medicare, and Social Security. Republican is no longer a political party, it is a wholly owned conglomerate by the 1 %. They want to eliminate every protection the American worker has and make life woefully miserable for those not born with a silver spoon in their mouth. There is no logical motive to this, other than some sadistic attitude of "I've got mine, so fark you!" To do it, they're dividing us by exerting our differences and having us fight one another so we don't go after the wealthy's cash that would allow us to pay for things that were already authorized! We need to tax EVERYONE MORE in order to get us out of this slump! Granted we need cost cutting and efficiency when we do it, but the answer is not "Eliminate taxes for the wealthy" and/or "Jesus"!
 
2013-01-02 12:44:10 AM

max_pooper: RminusQ: BudTheSpud: gadian: Obama should keep them in service until this thing is voted on. No vacay for you.

That would make sense if he wasn't already on Air Force One back to Hawaii.

Yeah I heard that, but how in the world has he already signed the bill?

Since the tax changes in the bill are retroactive to Janurary 1st, the President doesn't even a really even have to sign the bill. He can let it sit on his desk for 7 days and it will automatically become law.

My guess is he will finish up his vacation with his family and come back and sign the mofo.


Actually, it may be necessary for it to be signed (whether via auto-pen or the old-fashioned way) before the 10-day limit or else it could count as a pocket veto.

It's never been clarified whether or not a bill passed by one Congress right before the end of its 2-year session could get vetoed by the President and then have the veto overridden by the next Congress. I doubt that would be kosher, because of the non-zero chance of all Representatives and an entire class of Senators being replaced in that timeframe would mean that a bill passed without a veto-proof majority could suddenly override the veto or vice-versa. This is obviously not an issue here, but like I said, it's not impossible to replace 435 Representatives and 33 or 34 Senators in one election.

/tldr if Obama doesn't sign by either next Saturday or the following Monday, the bill won't be worth the paper it's written on
//the time limit is ten days excluding Sundays
 
2013-01-02 05:45:37 AM

uksocal: I understand it has to be paid eventually either way, but 2% wasn't being taken out of our paycheck, now it will be? I really am fuzzy on that, there actually should have been a "?" on my original post.


Social security is funded via the payroll tax, which you and your employer both pay around 6.3% or so. (Really though, you're paying all of it, you just never see what your employer pays) Sometime in March of last year, the payroll tax contribution for individuals was cut by 2%. So had we gone over the cliff, it wouldn't have been a tax hike, as much as it would be a restoration of what the rate always was. Still though, nobody has addressed what will be done with regards to people's SS accounts which are no longer being funded properly.
 
2013-01-02 05:58:12 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: I really wish that Capitol Police Officer on the right hand side was in the process of arresting them all for treason. The charge: Holding the country hostage by holding back voting


This.

Oh, by the way, thanks Congresscritters for being such GREAT examples to today's youths as to the definition of "leadership".
 
2013-01-02 06:45:55 AM

ricochet4: dave2198: Everyone go to your bunks, have a bout of angry masturbation...

is there any other kind?


The sobbing wistful wank of which I'm all too familiar with...
 
2013-01-02 12:51:04 PM
i.imm.io
 
2013-01-02 12:54:44 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.


Go steep a pot of tea in your butthole.

/Not that you're wrong, just... apparently completely unaware of what's going on in DC.
 
2013-01-02 12:55:56 PM

Ishidan: DarkSoulNoHope: I really wish that Capitol Police Officer on the right hand side was in the process of arresting them all for treason. The charge: Holding the country hostage by holding back voting

This.

Oh, by the way, thanks Congresscritters for being such GREAT examples to today's youths as to the definition of "leadership".


Leaders don't need examples. They ARE the examples!
 
2013-01-02 08:12:15 PM

skullkrusher: and it got the necessary votes. This makes me happy. My welcome what, by the way?


lol Your. Welcome. ;)
 
2013-01-03 11:05:59 PM

Hueg_Redd: youtube


**SLAP**

Thanks a LOT, for making it an oh so very private video that no one can goddamned SEE.

I've tried FIVE goddamned times to sign in so I can watch it and it keeps looping dicklessly back to This video is private, If the owner of this video has granted you access, please log in.
 
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