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(Washington Times)   That bill that's supposed to be a stop gap for the fiscal cliff? Turns out it's more like a jump ramp than the start of a bridge   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 432
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 02:34:37 PM
That was obvious for months. The talk was about undoing as much as possible of the debt ceiling compromise, putting off spending cuts until later while reducing short term taxes.

And that's why I reluctantly chose jumping off a cliff as the right thing to do. There's no appetite for real reform.  All this argument is over going back to c. 2000 era taxes and spending, undoing a decade of changes.
 
2013-01-01 02:39:07 PM
I don't think anyone will express surprise.

We truly are becoming a nation of moochers and only care about what we can get, and our choices to fill public office clearly reflect that in their actions.

We're gonna make Greece look like a piker. USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-01-01 02:46:12 PM
We should let the unemployed die. It's their fault the rich job creators don't have jobs for them. Not bootstrappy enough.
 
2013-01-01 02:51:29 PM
They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.
 
2013-01-01 02:52:38 PM
So, we just have to build a landing ramp on the other side?

oi46.tinypic.com

Psshh. We got this.
 
2013-01-01 02:53:26 PM
How did the greatest generation raise the greediest, most sociopathic generation. Sacrifice for the common good? I won't even be mildly inconvenienced for the common good!
 
2013-01-01 02:54:45 PM
That's because no one really cares about the deficit.
 
2013-01-01 02:56:06 PM
We'll it looks like Boss Hogg finally has them Duke boys right where he wants them.

/dixiecarhorn.wav
 
2013-01-01 03:02:29 PM

vartian: So, we just have to build a landing ramp on the other side?

[oi46.tinypic.com image 600x480]

Psshh. We got this.


There is...there's nothing about that photo I don't find awesome.
 
2013-01-01 03:08:47 PM

ToxicMunkee: We should let the unemployed die. It's their fault the rich job creators don't have jobs for them. Not bootstrappy enough.


Well, I think we could have paid for extended UI by raising taxes on income over 250k.
 
2013-01-01 03:15:27 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: That's because no one really cares about the deficit.


Can't be repeated enough.
 
2013-01-01 03:23:56 PM
Is it just me, or is this Jan 1 pearl-clutching a little disingenuous? $4 trillion over 10 years to maintain Medicare doctor payment levels, long-term unemployment benefits and middle-class tax cuts (etc.) while averting a recession seems to be a decent bargain.

But you know what - Fark it. Let's take the fiscal cliff for a test drive for a year, and when red staters are done suffering and when the working poor and long-term unemployed march hand in hand with doctors and defense contractors to the doorsteps of their representatives demanding that they take Obama's deal (whatever that may be), THEN we'll see if $4 trillion over 10 years is too steep a price.

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2013-01-01 03:26:59 PM

Bontesla: ToxicMunkee: We should let the unemployed die. It's their fault the rich job creators don't have jobs for them. Not bootstrappy enough.

Well, I think we could have paid for extended UI by raising taxes on income over 250k.


LEECHES. EVERYONE.

We'd be better off with zero taxes and to designate the United States as a giant OK Corral. And we'll eat the old and infirm. Because f*ck them, they've outlived their usefulness.

*finger guns pew pew pew*
 
2013-01-01 03:32:35 PM
And almost all of it is from the extension of tax cuts.
 
2013-01-01 03:57:22 PM
So they got a deal then? Is it done?

I missed it.

What's in it?
 
2013-01-01 03:58:01 PM
They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.
 
2013-01-01 04:10:01 PM

NewportBarGuy: They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.


Is it at least the end of the beginning?
 
2013-01-01 04:10:47 PM

unlikely: So they got a deal then? Is it done?

I missed it.

What's in it?


Cantor says no.
 
2013-01-01 04:14:24 PM
From a different Post article...

<i>Tucked inside the "fiscal cliff" deal is a provision repealing the CLASS Act, a giant unfunded mandate that was part of President Obama's health care law.

The Community Living Assistance Services and Supports program was a priority of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, and was designed to create a program for long-term care for the functionally disabled.

Mr. Obama halted the program, saying he couldn't find a way to make it cost-effective. But he had objected when Republicans tried to repeal it outright, saying he wanted to keep it on the books and try to amend it rather than kill it.

But he did an about-face this week, accepting repeal in exchange for raising tax rates on the wealthiest.

Mr. Obama also won a new commission to look at long-term care. The commission is supposed to come back and report on ways to boost health coverage for those the CLASS program was designed to reach.

The cliff deal passed the Senate 89-8 early Tuesday morning and was awaiting a vote in the House later in the day.</i>

It's easier to throw the physically disabled unable under the bus than it is the long term unemployed today.
 
2013-01-01 04:41:12 PM

Lionel Mandrake: NewportBarGuy: They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.

Is it at least the end of the beginning?


Not bloody likely.
 
2013-01-01 04:59:56 PM

ToxicMunkee: We should let the unemployed die. It's their fault the rich job creators don't have jobs for them. Not bootstrappy enough.


Real American's borrow a few million dollars from their family and start their own businesses.
 
2013-01-01 05:03:19 PM

Wanebo: From a different Post article...

<i>Tucked inside the "fiscal cliff" deal is a provision repealing the CLASS Act, a giant unfunded mandate that was part of President Obama's health care law.

The Community Living Assistance Services and Supports program was a priority of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, and was designed to create a program for long-term care for the functionally disabled.

Mr. Obama halted the program, saying he couldn't find a way to make it cost-effective. But he had objected when Republicans tried to repeal it outright, saying he wanted to keep it on the books and try to amend it rather than kill it.

But he did an about-face this week, accepting repeal in exchange for raising tax rates on the wealthiest.

Mr. Obama also won a new commission to look at long-term care. The commission is supposed to come back and report on ways to boost health coverage for those the CLASS program was designed to reach.

The cliff deal passed the Senate 89-8 early Tuesday morning and was awaiting a vote in the House later in the day.</i>

It's easier to throw the physically disabled unable under the bus than it is the long term unemployed today.


Unbelievable.
 
2013-01-01 05:06:19 PM
You do realize the "Fiscal Cliff" isn't a problem because of spending right? It's a problem of massive and severe austerity all at once. So anything which stops the "Fiscal Cliff" will by necessity include more government spending than going over the cliff.
 
2013-01-01 06:06:41 PM
I make so little that the only difference I'd have noticed was getting half the child tax credit I normally get,  which I wouldn't have realy noticed since we had another child last year anyhow.
 
2013-01-01 06:10:37 PM

kxs401: How did the self-titled "greatest" generation raise the greediest, most sociopathic generation.


study it out from there
 
2013-01-01 06:16:01 PM
OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.
 
2013-01-01 06:17:11 PM
Looks like the House is going to kill it with Amendments, and it sure as hell sounds like Cantor is shooting for the Speakership in the process.
 
2013-01-01 06:19:50 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Looks like the House is going to kill it with Amendments, and it sure as hell sounds like Cantor is shooting for the Speakership in the process.


I'm oddly shocked by neither of those things.

Way to go, GOP. I suspect shortly we'll have the "Obama tax cuts" coming through when this bill ends up DOA.
 
2013-01-01 06:21:24 PM
Most people are out of work due to a lack of require job skills.

Shouldn't the solution be free college-level trade school education?

I keep hearing about business owners whining about NEEDING to hire out of country to fill these roles. Shouldn't we be investing more in education to fill these jobs?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the wheels of this country move on the frivolous expenditures of the masses? The more people capable of making frivolous expenditures the better?
 
2013-01-01 06:21:29 PM
Dusk-You-n-Me:

That's because no one really cares about the deficit.

/Bears repeating
 
2013-01-01 06:23:33 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, the senate just passed a bill that will increase annual taxes by $65 billion against an annual deficit of over $1 trillion.

There's your great progressive victory. Now where's the rest come from?

I hope to hell the House vetoes or significantly amends that piece of crap and gets to work on a comprehensive solution. Better yet I would like to see the House pass a Simpson-Bowles type bill and send it back to the Senate. This shiat has to stop.


Hahahahaha, you're so cute.
 
2013-01-01 06:23:43 PM

PapaChester: I keep hearing about business owners whining about NEEDING to hire out of country to fill these roles. Shouldn't we be investing more in education to fill these jobs?


No, the real answer is to teach creationism and to rewrite the school curriculum to match it to their neoconservative wet dreams.
 
2013-01-01 06:23:50 PM

nmrsnr: You do realize the "Fiscal Cliff" isn't a problem because of spending right? It's a problem of massive and severe austerity all at once. So anything which stops the "Fiscal Cliff" will by necessity include more government spending than going over the cliff.


Ello ello what's all this then? T'appears to be logic and useful banter. Owd it get innis ear thread, then?
 
2013-01-01 06:24:49 PM
i.imm.io
 
2013-01-01 06:26:42 PM

unlikely: They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.


Partially.  We'll have to do this again in two months in this deal, but it still raised some taxes.
 
2013-01-01 06:27:29 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


Yeah, I keep seeing that stupid thing posted. Good job.
 
2013-01-01 06:27:43 PM

Lionel Mandrake: NewportBarGuy: They will hold the country hostage for several more months. This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end.

Is it at least the end of the beginning?


Honestly? Yes. I think we are now safely on a several year path to unf*cking ourselves. It will be painful, but it will benefit us all and we'll be a stronger country for it. Those of us that remember these dark days will remind the younger ones of how not to handle the running of the country. Or... we just keep f*cking that chicken until the whole thing collapses. I'll be optimistic and go with the first prediction.
 
2013-01-01 06:27:48 PM

GAT_00: unlikely: They took the "kick it down the road" option, didn't they.

Partially.  We'll have to do this again in two months in this deal, but it still raised some taxes.


hehe I do so love how raising taxes is a worthy end unto itself.
 
2013-01-01 06:27:50 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


Oh, a house budget analogy, the bastion of the economically illiterate.
 
2013-01-01 06:29:16 PM
And the Senate has left for the night, so if there is a vote (and it passes) on an amended version in the House, the Senate (if it bothers with it) won't act until tomorrow on the last day of this Congress.

I say fark it all if this bill dies in the house. Have the Senate put forth and pass a tax cut on $200/250k like they did back in July, call it the Obama tax cuts, and tell the House to suck on that. When they refuse to vote on that, just keep hammering them.

God, fark these House GOPers. fark them so hard.
 
2013-01-01 06:29:30 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.
 
2013-01-01 06:31:35 PM

eiger: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Oh, a house budget analogy, the bastion of the economically illiterate.


Hey, this one uses poop to explain the accounting.
 
2013-01-01 06:31:54 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


Maybe someday people will understand that the national budget isn't analogous to a household budget. Until then, we'll continue to see stupid farking shiat like this.
 
2013-01-01 06:32:38 PM
The "fiscal cliff" deal that was designed to save money

That's about as far as I could take the article seriously. That shows a total lack of even a rudimentary understanding of what the "fiscal cliff" even is, or what problem the legislation was aiming to solve.
 
2013-01-01 06:32:43 PM

Mrtraveler01: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

I hope you posted that ironically. Or else I'd have to say who ever made that is a farking idiot because:

1. It never considers the option that people in that much debt get a second job to bring in more revenue into that household.

2. The debt ceiling doesn't give us permission to spend more, it gives us permission to pay off the debt we already spent. Not raising the debt ceiling is the same as defaulting on our debt obligations. Or to use a retarded analogy like you did, it would be like ordering and eating dinner and dashing out on the check.

So the only thing shiatty is whoever made that steaming pile of crap thinking that they said something that was remotely intelligent.


It also ignores the fact that the US government can print money. I'm not aware of any household that can (legally) do that.
 
2013-01-01 06:33:07 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: eiger: Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]

Oh, a house budget analogy, the bastion of the economically illiterate.

Hey, this one uses poop to explain the accounting.


How else would simpletons like the guy who made that would be able to understand complex economic matters.
 
2013-01-01 06:34:47 PM

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 600x800]


You posted something stupid, and you should feel bad.
 
2013-01-01 06:35:13 PM

kxs401: How did the greatest generation raise the greediest, most sociopathic generation. Sacrifice for the common good? I won't even be mildly inconvenienced for the common good!


Which generations? Because with one, I agree.
 
2013-01-01 06:35:18 PM

Mrtraveler01: Dusk-You-n-Me:

That's because no one really cares about the deficit.

/Bears repeating


Whatever happened to "jobs, jobs, jobs"?
Now it's "deficit, deficit, deficit". Isn't the former more important?
 
2013-01-01 06:35:26 PM

Zombalupagus: i.imm.io


Simpletons LOVE stupid comparisons. Otherwise, they would have to actually UNDERSTAND the issue.
 
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