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(CBS Sports)   The State of Pennsylvania to file suit against the NCAA. Claiming that their right to life, liberty and shower rape has been violated   (cbssports.com) divider line 36
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2013-01-01 02:33:36 PM  
8 votes:
Dear Penn State Alumni;
The longer you keep the child rape scandal in the public eye, the worse you look.  Raping kids is bad.  Covering it up to protect the reputation of your football team is also bad.  Continuing to complain about the punishment for the cover-up does more to damage the reputation of your football program than simply accepting the punishment and moving on.  Farking stop it already.
2013-01-01 09:34:12 PM  
4 votes:

mattbau: Reading the comments on every Penn State story here always leads me to believe everyone actually believes students knew and were OK with what was happening.

I'll just leave this here


I don't know of anyone who thinks the students knew what Sandusky was doing.

Most people who look at this sad affair with any honesty and objectivity DO realize that the student and alumni "worship" of the football program and deification of Paterno contributed to the aura of sanctity of the program.  Most objective observers realize that the administration tried to hush the whole thing up in order to protect the football program.  If the students and alumni had recognized that the football program was composed of mere fallible mortals, the cover up would not have occurred.  Sandusky would have been jailed right away, and the NCAA punishments would not have been necessary.

If one of the TAs in the English Lit department had been caught molesting kids, s/he would have been dragged away in irons, because the students and alumni are not fanatical cultists about the English Lit program.

When people consider a football team (or any other group- I'm looking at you, priests and ministers) to be so important that they cannot be questioned, abuses are bound to take place.  Abusive people seek out "protected" positions like that, so that they can engage in their abuses with impunity.  That's exactly what Sandusky did.  The students and alumni didn't know what he was doing, but their cult worship of the football program made it possible, so IMO, they have to take some of the responsibility.
2013-01-01 06:02:09 PM  
3 votes:
Fine.  Penn State is no longer allowed to be a member of the NCAA ever.   No games with NCAA members.  No more Div 1 trophies.  They can compete with the NAIA teams.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 02:31:56 PM  
3 votes:
After reading the SI article my guess is state politicians want to spend the $60 million on state programs and reduce regular state funding to those programs by $60 million to come out even. The NCAA wants to spread the money around the country, making Pennsylvania poorer as a result of the fine.
2013-01-02 10:53:06 AM  
2 votes:
I am not a lawyer, but I do have a question that perhaps a lawyer (or someone with a GED in law) might be able to answer:

Does the State of Pennsylvania even have standing to sue the NCAA? The penalties were against Penn State, and several people above have stated the university is an independent organization, separate from the state. Obviously, anyone can sue anyone for anything, but what are the chances that this suit actually goes anywhere, and isn't tossed for lack of standing?
2013-01-02 08:23:16 AM  
2 votes:

lecavalier: You: "Football is nothing. It is not worth the resources and liability."


It is nothing. I means nothing. It's worthless. it doesn't promote a higher education. It's a game, a time water, a pastime. It's boring and cancerous and resources could be better spent developing new technologies, medicines, and products.
2013-01-01 11:54:54 PM  
2 votes:
Where the NCAA and Pennsylvania differ on this point is whether that $60 million should be spent nationally or within the state.

The state of PA is trying to keep the $60M to pay off their own lawsuits. Sorry PA but that's not a part of the NCAA fine, you have to pay that other part out of your own pocket.

Besides, isn't Penn State a semi-private school? Why is the state paying for any of this? Shouldn't it be from the alumni fund?
2013-01-01 10:27:22 PM  
2 votes:
Huh, I had kind of pushed it out of my mind that an alarming number of high-ranking Penn State officials covered-up and enabled the forcible sodomy of underage boys for years, and that a large number of the student body actually rioted in support of a pedophile enabler.

Thanks for the reminder, guys.
2013-01-01 09:28:39 PM  
2 votes:

Donnchadha: namatad: except that pennsylvania is not paying the fine. PENN STATE is paying the fine.

And state universities are funded by....?


The fine was to be paid out of athletics revenues. If the university chooses to burn state taxpayer dollars instead, that's their choice.
2013-01-01 09:04:51 PM  
2 votes:
There are two major reasons this is happening:

1. Gov Corbett was the Attorney General who started the prosecution of Sandusky. Then he "pressured" some of the PSU Board of Trustees to fire Paterno. There are many people in this State who still treat Paterno as a God and as such would never ever vote for the man who sullied Paterno's name. This is a ploy by Corbett to save himself some face and maybe secure reelection in 2014.

2. Many of Corbett's supporters were big supporters of Second Mile, Sandusky's "charity." When Second Mile went under, those cushy local charity positions dried up. With 75% of the fine money going to out of state organizations, its harder to funnel money back to these supporters under the guise of "charity work." Corbett wants to keep that fine money in state so he can "pay-off" his supporters.

PA's newly elected Attorney and Auditor Generals are Democrats and have it out for Corbett. He needs all the support he can get...
2013-01-01 09:01:55 PM  
2 votes:

IlGreven: mattbau: Donnchadha: namatad: except that pennsylvania is not paying the fine. PENN STATE is paying the fine.

And state universities are funded by....?

Thanks to Gov. Corbett's own state funding cuts, Penn State is receiving nothing compared to past appropriations.

And thanks to Tom Corbett seeking the governorship rather than attempting to nip Sandusky in the bud as AG, Penn State is getting a bigger ass-raping than it should have.


Couldn't agree more. This whole lawsuit is just him trying to save his ass since the new attorney general is going after him for how he failed to prosecute Sandusky back in 1998.
2013-01-01 02:59:35 PM  
2 votes:
Spiffy: Someone finally sues the NCAA.

Stupid: It's Pennsyltucky on behalf of Pedo State.
2013-01-01 02:16:05 PM  
2 votes:
Well, I suppose the NCAA could revoke the sanctions and replace them with a 4-year DEATH PENALTY, which was what Pedd State was going to be hit with had they not agreed to the sanctions. >_>
2013-01-02 09:06:08 PM  
1 votes:

liam76: ou want to blame students and alumni not the official who didn't do their job?

You are really obsessed with football fans. Did you get wedgies from football fans growing up or something?



You still don't get it.

Notice that when I and others pointed this fact out to you, that alumni ignored their own complicity in and responsibility for the abuses, your response was to accuse us of "getting wedgies from the football fans" and being fans of "a team that is routinely beaten by them."  You did not consider the possibility that what Penn State allowed to happen was actually wrong- the criticisms were, in your mind, simply "jealousy" and "sour grapes" by people who were beaten by Penn State.  You have demonstrated that you are unwilling and unable to accept any criticism of your school, even when it is obviously warranted.

When you understand why your reactions to the criticisms are what they are, and why others consider you part of the problem, rather than part of the solution, then maybe you'll understand what has to be done.  I hope that happens some day.
2013-01-02 08:46:17 AM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: It's almost as if at this point you are punishing people who had no involvement instead of punishing people who were involved

Remember when we tried this approach to Germany after ww1. No way that turned out badly


Pretty sure we don't have to worry about Penn State invading Poland... unless Poland is some sort of reference to shower sex... which it sort of sounds like.
2013-01-02 02:36:35 AM  
1 votes:
I used to be a Penn State fan before all of this. Now, I really just pity them and regret any effort I put into supporting them. Also, the state could DIAF for all I care (outside of my family, the Steelers and Primanti Bros)
2013-01-02 01:03:14 AM  
1 votes:
GRAHAM SPANIER REPLACED THE CHANCELLOR AT NEBRASKA WHO WAS REMOVED BECAUSE OF MOLESTING KIDS

THEN HE GOES TO PENN ST AND TRIES A CHILD MOLESTING COVERUP?

GUESS WHERE HE WAS WORKING AFTER BEING CANNED BY PENN ST

SPANIER WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY WHEN CHARGED WITH FELONIES
2013-01-01 11:37:03 PM  
1 votes:
Meh.. I went to Penn State. The only people who "worship" the football program are administrators and alumni. This is true of just about every athletic program in just about every University. Students go to games because they're social events, not because they live and breath football. Sure there are some who are die hard fans, but students, by and large, have more important shiat to do every day than wonder what prayer they can offer to football.
2013-01-01 11:29:29 PM  
1 votes:
Money. It all comes down to money.

So I suggest that all these bowl games that used to be broadcast over the air for free now have to pay fees to the states whose universities play in them. If the Rose Bowl wants to sell its game to cable, then let the Rose Bowl pay for the cost of "hiring" the two university teams that play there. The money goes to the states' general fund not to the universities.

The taxpayers foot the bill for these football programs then don't get to watch the players play. If people are willing to pay to see the games on cable, they can just pay more to see the games on cable. Keep raising the fees to the cable networks until the games start showing up on broadcast again.
2013-01-01 10:41:59 PM  
1 votes:
Penn State threads are almost as fun as gun threads and politics threads. Both are filled with ignorant opinions, rabble rousing, and bandwagon jumping. It's always enjoyable to see how stupid and subjective people are while pretending to be intelligent and objective.

I love them.
2013-01-01 10:30:09 PM  
1 votes:
2013-01-01 09:54:19 PM  
1 votes:

vudukungfu: The governor of that state of disrepute is an asshole and has sealed his legacy. He isn't pounding his desk asking what happened to Ray Gricar. He's trying to save his seat. What a joke. Sadly, the bitter, bible and gun clutching voters of his state will probably allow him to continue to get fat on their dime.


Sorry vudu, I don't agree on football, but I do agree that going to concerts is valuable.

As far as the Governor is concerned (and probably the family of Ray Gricar), isn't knowing what happened to your hotshot driving DA important as well? This one bothers me. I don't know why, but it doesn't really seem to me that folks really want to dig into that rockpile.
2013-01-01 09:41:09 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: Dear Penn State Alumni;
The longer you keep the child rape scandal in the public eye, the worse you look.  Raping kids is bad.  Covering it up to protect the reputation of your football team is also bad.  Continuing to complain about the punishment for the cover-up does more to damage the reputation of your football program than simply accepting the punishment and moving on.  Farking stop it already.


As an alum, I would like to see the entire athletic program nuked from orbit.
When I was at a party last year in NH, I was in a circle of gentlemen discussing of all things, Russian Literature. Everyone in the circle was impressively informed on the subject and one gent brought up the fact that he had only studied it for "art's sake" to keep from becoming bored during finals. Where did you go to college, I asked. Oh, I'm a Harvard MIT grad.
You are? chimed in the next gent, why so am I. And so it went, around the circle until they came to me.
All of them were Harvard MIT grads, except me.
I went to PSU and studied it by sitting in on classes that weren't full, as a monitor.
I never even graduated.
Never went to games, and didn't watch them or keep score. Couldn't care less about it. I was there to get an education, degree be dammed.

They still send me requests to donate them money. I don't even have a sheepskin with my name on it.
Football is nothing. It is not worth the resources and liability. You do more good having concerts in the stadium and selling tickets to see real talent.

No one at the party thought less of me for my lack of a degree. I could hold my own amongst them conversing about anything, from polymer science resonance, to recent demarcation of third world nations and still hold my liquor.

I have a new-found respect for the Harvard community, and a lack of it for the PSU community. At least they never once brought up how they rubbed one out over a high score achieved by a tight pants mouth-breather who now sells used cars in Buzzkill, PA.

The governor of that state of disrepute is an asshole and has sealed his legacy. He isn't pounding his desk asking what happened to Ray Gricar. He's trying to save his seat. What a joke. Sadly, the bitter, bible and gun clutching voters of his state will probably allow him to continue to get fat on their dime.
2013-01-01 09:34:45 PM  
1 votes:
Wow.

The quibble seems to be whether the politicians can take credit for somehow funnelling $60 million, instead of just a tiny fraction of that, back into educating Pennsylvanians about child rape? Imagine that discussion:

"Look, we're happy Penn State has to pay up. But, we'd like to take that money, all of it, and redirect it solely at Pennsylvania. It'd allow us to redirect child-abuse education allocations to other areas of the state, so that the reprehensible crimes committed by Penn State end up a win-win for Pennsylvania. The NCAA gets credit for being hard on child rape, and we get credit for exploiting child rape to lower our deficit by sixy mil. Now, we're prepared to sue to ensure that happens..."
2013-01-01 09:30:16 PM  
1 votes:

Terlis: 1. Gov Corbett was the Attorney General who started the prosecution of Sandusky. Then he "pressured" some of the PSU Board of Trustees to fire Paterno. There are many people in this State who still treat Paterno as a God and as such would never ever vote for the man who sullied Paterno's name. This is a ploy by Corbett to save himself some face and maybe secure reelection in 2014.


...he started nothing. He abandoned it all in the name of going for his governorship. If he'd had the integrity he's trying to project, Sandusky would've been in prison a decade ago and PSU wouldn't have gotten nearly the sanctions it did.
2013-01-01 09:14:38 PM  
1 votes:

Donnchadha: namatad: except that pennsylvania is not paying the fine. PENN STATE is paying the fine.

And state universities are funded by....?


Frequently not the states. These days less than 10% usually comes from the state. Grants, tuition (meaning student loans and Pell grants), foundations and other sources make up the lion's share of funding. I don't know about Pedo State's funding but I'd be astonished if the state's burden for this fine proportional to all sources of school funding was more than $5 million.
2013-01-01 09:00:14 PM  
1 votes:

mattbau: Donnchadha: namatad: except that pennsylvania is not paying the fine. PENN STATE is paying the fine.

And state universities are funded by....?

Thanks to Gov. Corbett's own state funding cuts, Penn State is receiving nothing compared to past appropriations.


And thanks to Tom Corbett seeking the governorship rather than attempting to nip Sandusky in the bud as AG, Penn State is getting a bigger ass-raping than it should have.
2013-01-01 08:59:58 PM  
1 votes:

Gonz: OtherLittleGuy: Pennsyltucky

Look, I've had about enough of this.

As someone who was raised in, and subsequently escaped from, the Commonwealth of Kentucky, I recognize the flaws of my home state. And it's completely unfair to compare us to those child-rape enablers in the North. We have our flaws, but kiddy-diddling isn't on the list.

Unless they're good at basketball.


Look, I've had enough of this.

As someone who lived in, and subsequently escaped from, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, I can say with some authority that the rest of the country would hate that shiathole with even more vehemence if they knew how horrible it really is. It is an absolute hellscape peopled with the most horrifying grotesques imaginable. Even thinking about the place makes me feel like I need a Silkwood shower.

/"Come friendly bombs, and fall on Philly."
//"For it's not fit for humans, really."
2013-01-01 07:12:10 PM  
1 votes:

vygramul: Paging GAT_00 to the Blue and White courtesy phone...


Nope, because when I express my opinion in these threads, I get deleted and get a four day ban.  I'm not allowed to speak my mind in certain types threads, and this is one of them.
2013-01-01 05:58:16 PM  
1 votes:

Donnchadha: The state legislature is trying to keep the money in state to help the people actually affected by the scandal -- who are, you know, in Pennsylvania. By taking 75% of the fine out of state, you're not really helping the victims at all.


I guess it depends on who the victims are.  I don't recall reading that the $60 million was supposed to go to Sandusky's victims only.  Isn't it supposed to go to programs for all victims of child sexual abuse?
2013-01-01 05:40:17 PM  
1 votes:

ZAZ: Is it different in Pennsylvania?


It is, but in weird ways. Penn State is run by an independent organization, funded by the state, exempt from governmental disclosure laws, and essentially allowed to do whatever it damn well pleases.
2013-01-01 05:35:59 PM  
1 votes:

Donnchadha: namatad: except that pennsylvania is not paying the fine. PENN STATE is paying the fine.

And state universities are funded by....?


Magic. Duh
2013-01-01 04:48:19 PM  
1 votes:

ZAZ: After reading the SI article my guess is state politicians want to spend the $60 million on state programs and reduce regular state funding to those programs by $60 million to come out even. The NCAA wants to spread the money around the country, making Pennsylvania poorer as a result of the fine.


And yet the death penalty would cost the state much, much more than $60M.
2013-01-01 04:18:16 PM  
1 votes:

OtherLittleGuy: Pennsyltucky


Look, I've had about enough of this.

As someone who was raised in, and subsequently escaped from, the Commonwealth of Kentucky, I recognize the flaws of my home state. And it's completely unfair to compare us to those child-rape enablers in the North. We have our flaws, but kiddy-diddling isn't on the list.

Unless they're good at basketball.
2013-01-01 03:06:58 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: Raping kids is bad.


Some people say that. I'm not sure I can decide based on fair and balanced facts until I've heard from the other side.
2013-01-01 02:57:33 PM  
1 votes:
The state legislature is trying to keep the money in state to help the people actually affected by the scandal -- who are, you know, in Pennsylvania. By taking 75% of the fine out of state, you're not really helping the victims at all.

This is not about challenging the findings or suggesting that the university should have been able to keep the cover up going.
 
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