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(CNN)   Will Republicans remember to come into work today? Will Nancy Pelosi bite anyone? Will John Boehner replace his gavel with a whiskey bottle? It's your "House of Representatives fiscal cliff vote" thread (House starts their session at noon today)   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ) divider line
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2013-01-01 08:35:27 PM  

TV's Vinnie: skullkrusher: TV's Vinnie: skullkrusher: TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.

Seriously, your scorched earth theory is stupid.
They actually believe they are doing the right thing. Yes, they are that dumb.

No. Deep down, they know what they are doing is wrong and evil. They just don't care because it's all about them and if they can't get their way, then let all of creation itself be damned!

probably not

You've never heard of Steve King, have you?


He does good books, but those movies of his generally stink up the joint.
 
2013-01-01 08:36:04 PM  

Infernalist: I just can't see the Tea Derpers going along with the bill as-is, no changes. That's not their MO at all. I'll believe it when I see it.


If House Democrats vote for the bill, the Tea Derpers can vote against it and it'll still pass with even modest Republican support. Then you can stock up on popcorn and watch the party eat itself until the midterms.
 
2013-01-01 08:40:08 PM  

lemurs: Infernalist: I just can't see the Tea Derpers going along with the bill as-is, no changes. That's not their MO at all. I'll believe it when I see it.

If House Democrats vote for the bill, the Tea Derpers can vote against it and it'll still pass with even modest Republican support. Then you can stock up on popcorn and watch the party eat itself until the midterms.


See, that's the thing! Boehner wouldn't dare bring it up for a vote and see the vaunted 'united GOP' openly vote against itself They live and die by the Hastert Rule. And to have the Tea Derpers voting against a united GOP and Democratic block? Oh dear lords, the poor GOPers would see every open seat get challenged by Tea Derpers in their primaries and THAT is what truly scares them. They don't fear Democratic challengers in those gerrymandered districts, but to get burned out in a purity race in the primaries, oh yes, that scares them.

That's why I can't see the GOP voting against itself. I can't see the Tea Derpers changing their MO this late in the game on TAXES of all things and I can't see the GOP opening itself up to an open Tea Derper revolt by having a split vote.

That's why I'm so damned skeptical of this vote happening.
 
2013-01-01 08:42:01 PM  
Perhaps Boehner should look into amendments - at least enough that the bill looks like something a patriotic American would support and not the usual socialist class-warfare drivel.
 
2013-01-01 08:45:56 PM  
Well, everyone is reporting they'll vote between 9 and 10pm on the Senate bill without changes. So, unless there's a surprise, that's that. Shall we all reconvene here in two months when they have to do this again?
 
2013-01-01 09:01:16 PM  

Smelly McUgly: The Senate already passed it. If the House passes it, it goes to the president to sign it into law.


Isn't that entirely backwards? They're supposed to originate in the House. I really don't get how this is supposed to go the other way. Can anyone explain why it's alright for this to go Senate to House to President?
 
2013-01-01 09:03:51 PM  
Hawt Dana Bash says the vote will be after 11pm.
 
2013-01-01 09:04:12 PM  
JohnnyC:  Isn't that entirely backwards? They're supposed to originate in the House. I really don't get how this is supposed to go the other way. Can anyone explain why it's alright for this to go Senate to House to President?

If it passes, the understanding is that the House will not invoke that particular prerogative, called a "blue slip."
 
2013-01-01 09:04:17 PM  

JohnnyC: Smelly McUgly: The Senate already passed it. If the House passes it, it goes to the president to sign it into law.

Isn't that entirely backwards? They're supposed to originate in the House. I really don't get how this is supposed to go the other way. Can anyone explain why it's alright for this to go Senate to House to President?


I believe the Senate amended the bill the House passed a while ago.
 
2013-01-01 09:04:43 PM  

JohnnyC: Smelly McUgly: The Senate already passed it. If the House passes it, it goes to the president to sign it into law.

Isn't that entirely backwards? They're supposed to originate in the House. I really don't get how this is supposed to go the other way. Can anyone explain why it's alright for this to go Senate to House to President?


This will "originate" in the House. The senate having passed any bill first means exactly jack and shiat. (Eg, the Senate passed a bill in November extending tax cuts for first 250K of income. The House has not even pissed on that bill).
Once the House "originates" this bill (based entirely on the Senate's "recommendation"), having the Senate re-vote when you know they agree would be redundant, so it goes to Obama.
 
2013-01-01 09:08:16 PM  

redbucket: Well, everyone is reporting they'll vote between 9 and 10pm on the Senate bill without changes. So, unless there's a surprise, that's that.


I would not count out either 1) the bill failing for lack of votes, or 2) the bill passing without a majority of House Republicans. If its the latter, that will be the final nail in Boehner's Speakership coffin, I think.
 
2013-01-01 09:10:19 PM  
Did I miss the derp? I've been traveling all day.
 
2013-01-01 09:18:23 PM  

Dougie AXP: Did I miss the derp? I've been traveling all day.



If you turn on C-Span right now you can catch a truckload of it from Rep. Dreier of California.
 
2013-01-01 09:20:22 PM  

Somacandra: redbucket: Well, everyone is reporting they'll vote between 9 and 10pm on the Senate bill without changes. So, unless there's a surprise, that's that.

I would not count out either 1) the bill failing for lack of votes, or 2) the bill passing without a majority of House Republicans. If its the latter, that will be the final nail in Boehner's Speakership coffin, I think.


Not even remotely. Don't underestimate these people's capacity for self-delusion. The same way Romney's 47% comments SHOULD have ended his candidacy immediately, but didn't, do you think the republicans won't find a way to spin this to themselves as a win? That shiatstain Grover Norquist has conveniently come out and said (contrary to everything he's EVER said) that letting tax cuts expire for some isn't a tax hike. I would love love LOVE if all Democrats voted present on this. Or at least enough Dems such that a majority of the Republicans would have to vote FOR the bill for it to pass. Pelosi needs to deliver 96 Dems and have the repubs whip the other 122. No letting these assholes off the hook passing a compromise(d) bill with full Dem support and 20-odd Republicans in blood-red districts.
 
2013-01-01 09:22:05 PM  

itanimullI: Dougie AXP: Did I miss the derp? I've been traveling all day.


If you turn on C-Span right now you can catch a truckload of it from Rep. Dreier of California.


Jesus, that was beyond weapons grade, that was close to nuclear grade derp.
 
2013-01-01 09:23:04 PM  

flamingboar: Hawt Dana Bash says the vote will be after 11pm.


Hawt? as in attractive?

/shudder
 
2013-01-01 09:24:25 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: That shiatstain Grover Norquist has conveniently come out and said (contrary to everything he's EVER said) that letting tax cuts expire for some isn't a tax hike.


He needs the GOP as much as they need him. Once he actually calls this a violation he will be expected to start mounting primary challengers or be seen as toothless. This gives him an out, which he needs.
 
2013-01-01 09:26:42 PM  

JohnnyC: Smelly McUgly: The Senate already passed it. If the House passes it, it goes to the president to sign it into law.

Isn't that entirely backwards? They're supposed to originate in the House. I really don't get how this is supposed to go the other way. Can anyone explain why it's alright for this to go Senate to House to President?


The senate deal is technically a really big amendment to some bill the House passed.
 
2013-01-01 09:28:32 PM  
They're voting right now.... so far 95 yea and 0 nay... looks like it will pass based on this trend.
 
2013-01-01 09:29:55 PM  
Okay... Thanks for the replies Somacandra, VarmintCong, and Opiate of the Lasses. I think I get it now. Still seems dumb, but the whole thing seems dumb at this point.

I think we should have a rule where the House gets "locked in" until they get their job done.
 
2013-01-01 09:30:00 PM  

Somacandra: JohnnyC:  Isn't that entirely backwards? They're supposed to originate in the House. I really don't get how this is supposed to go the other way. Can anyone explain why it's alright for this to go Senate to House to President?

If it passes, the understanding is that the House will not invoke that particular prerogative, called a "blue slip."


Everyone knows you don't go Senate to House.....
/Ya, you can go Senate to House, just don't tell anyone
 
2013-01-01 09:30:41 PM  

DeltaPunch: They're voting right now.... so far 95 yea and 0 nay... looks like it will pass based on this trend.


This is not the Senate bill litself. This is a rule that paves the way for it to be considered. Since the Speaker intends to bring it to a vote, this is just procedural. Until the actual bill is signed, I would not call it a done deal.
 
2013-01-01 09:31:09 PM  

DeltaPunch: They're voting right now.... so far 95 yea and 0 nay... looks like it will pass based on this trend.


This is a procedural bill I think. This isn't the actual vote.
 
2013-01-01 09:31:25 PM  
9:19 p.m. ET - The House is now voting on rule for the fiscal cliff deal, then will start general debate.

Vote on process.

Real vote in another hour.
 
2013-01-01 09:32:21 PM  

Moodybastard: Everyone knows you don't go Senate to House.....


Sometimes, in the heat of the moment, it's forgivable to go Senate to House.
 
2013-01-01 09:32:30 PM  

Chiponyasu: The senate deal is technically a really big amendment to some bill the House passed.


I can't even imagine how stupid the bill that passed the House originally was.
 
2013-01-01 09:39:51 PM  

Somacandra: DeltaPunch: They're voting right now.... so far 95 yea and 0 nay... looks like it will pass based on this trend.

This is not the Senate bill litself. This is a rule that paves the way for it to be considered. Since the Speaker intends to bring it to a vote, this is just procedural. Until the actual bill is signed, I would not call it a done deal.


Ah I see now.... I stand corrected, thanks.
 
2013-01-01 09:45:26 PM  
Woot, motion passes....I think...

Now for some more hot legislative action...dirty, dirty legislative action.

/compromise!
//CSPAN, After Dark
 
2013-01-01 09:52:40 PM  

bemused outsider: 9:19 p.m. ET - The House is now voting on rule for the fiscal cliff deal, then will start general debate.

Vote on process.

Real vote in another hour.


Norquist must be thrashing his Dukes of Hazzard sheets in a rage.
 
2013-01-01 09:54:48 PM  

Chiponyasu: JohnnyC: Smelly McUgly: The Senate already passed it. If the House passes it, it goes to the president to sign it into law.

Isn't that entirely backwards? They're supposed to originate in the House. I really don't get how this is supposed to go the other way. Can anyone explain why it's alright for this to go Senate to House to President?

The senate deal is technically a really big amendment to some bill the House passed.


I think the first Congress with Obama, in 2005 or 06, did this when they Senate took an unrelated bill that passes the House, gutted it literally and rewrote it as amendments, and sent it back.
 
2013-01-01 10:02:38 PM  
I broke down and turned on C-Span.

Something about Nancy Pelosi exhorting a room to "come together" makes me want to toss my Starbucks.

/and I haven't even HAD any Starbucks
 
2013-01-01 10:02:44 PM  
Anyone watching the live proceedings?Link
 
2013-01-01 10:04:53 PM  

steveGswine: I broke down and turned on C-Span.

Something about Nancy Pelosi exhorting a room to "come together" makes me want to toss my Starbucks.

/and I haven't even HAD any Starbucks


Pelosi has a pretty nice wrack.
 
2013-01-01 10:19:13 PM  

djkutch: steveGswine: I broke down and turned on C-Span.

Something about Nancy Pelosi exhorting a room to "come together" makes me want to toss my Starbucks.

/and I haven't even HAD any Starbucks

Pelosi has a pretty nice wrack.


Wrack and ruin.
 
2013-01-01 10:40:18 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: This was in no way a perfect bill.  A lot of Ds hated it.  I, had been there, would have voted yes for the good of the nation but held my nose.  These assholes can't except anything but everything they want.  Hell, Brit farkin Hume is calling them out.  I hope the GOP burns after this.  Moderates too as they looked the other way as the teatards took over.  Ronnie Regean would have been ecstatic in getting a deal like this.  Wtf are these people thinking?!  Wtf are the people who ELECT them thinking?!


The right-wing media told them to.
 
2013-01-01 10:42:41 PM  
Ok, they're voting on the Senate bill now. 15 minutes from now, we'll know one way or the other.
 
2013-01-01 10:43:30 PM  
what's the magic number for passing?
 
2013-01-01 10:43:52 PM  
The Doctor will save us...

/wait, wha?
 
2013-01-01 10:44:27 PM  
By the look of it, it might pass without even having majority R support.

Bloody republicans will be able to say they averted the fiscal cliff, but will be able to show the tea derpers they voted nay on the senate bill.
 
2013-01-01 10:45:26 PM  

Corvus: "Up until now, our Speaker has said when the Senate acts, we will have a vote in the House. That is what he said. That is what we expect," Pelosi said following a Democratic caucus meeting where Vice President Biden briefed lawmakers on the deal he'd finalized with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) just a day earlier.

"We're all very eager to see the form that the Republican leadership will put onto the floor today," she added. "The issue of whether we have an up-or-down vote shouldn't even be a question. We were told we would not have any legislation on the floor until, or unless, the Senate acted. And when they did we would have a vote. And so we want to have that vote."

Boenher farking lied.


JohnnyC: Of course he did... have you known him to do anything else?


And now, Obama will introduce the middle-class tax cut bill and say the following to the House GOP...

25.media.tumblr.com

He'll practically tell them "go ahead, pull the trigger and see what happens"...and the House GOP will blow their own brains out.
 
2013-01-01 10:46:06 PM  

djkutch: Pelosi has a pretty nice wrack.


Eewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...

redriverpak.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-01 10:48:32 PM  

maddermaxx: Ok, they're voting on the Senate bill now. 15 minutes from now, we'll know one way or the other.


In the meantime enjoy the piano sonata in A-major...

121 to 704 in favor with 8 minutes remaining, with only a simple majority needed to pass.

/not a music major...
 
2013-01-01 10:49:17 PM  

Stone Meadow: 121 to 704 in favor with 8 minutes remaining, with only a simple majority needed to pass.


FTFM
 
2013-01-01 10:49:41 PM  
Is there any increased spending in any of these bills? I saw that on facebook (I know, I know...) and I was confused. Or is this just a CNBC/Grover type spin, that the absence of spending cuts is somehow now increased spending?
 
2013-01-01 10:49:56 PM  
Ah fark....121 to 70.
 
2013-01-01 10:50:51 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is there any increased spending in any of these bills?


No, but the automatic cuts are cancelled.
 
2013-01-01 10:50:57 PM  

Stone Meadow: maddermaxx: Ok, they're voting on the Senate bill now. 15 minutes from now, we'll know one way or the other.

In the meantime enjoy the piano sonata in A-major...

121 to 704 in favor with 8 minutes remaining, with only a simple majority needed to pass.

/not a music major...


Couldn't CSPAN get music rights to Gangnam Style?
 
2013-01-01 10:52:57 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is there any increased spending in any of these bills? I saw that on facebook (I know, I know...) and I was confused. Or is this just a CNBC/Grover type spin, that the absence of spending cuts is somehow now increased spending?


Grover-like spin. The spending 'increases' are extensions of current spending and tax breaks (remember, a tax break is also 'increased spending' if you spin it right).
 
2013-01-01 10:53:16 PM  

maddermaxx: By the look of it, it might pass without even having majority R support.

Bloody republicans will be able to say they averted the fiscal cliff, but will be able to show the tea derpers they voted nay on the senate bill.


But they won't be very happy about it, surely. Then comes the semi-annual Purging of the Moderates.
 
2013-01-01 10:53:21 PM  
56 Republicans in the House have now voted for tax increases, and counting...
 
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