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2013-01-01 06:45:18 PM  
"Up until now, our Speaker has said when the Senate acts, we will have a vote in the House. That is what he said. That is what we expect," Pelosi said following a Democratic caucus meeting where Vice President Biden briefed lawmakers on the deal he'd finalized with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) just a day earlier.

"We're all very eager to see the form that the Republican leadership will put onto the floor today," she added. "The issue of whether we have an up-or-down vote shouldn't even be a question. We were told we would not have any legislation on the floor until, or unless, the Senate acted. And when they did we would have a vote. And so we want to have that vote."


Boenher farking lied.
 
2013-01-01 06:47:01 PM  

Corvus: Boenher farking lied.


Of course he did... have you known him to do anything else?
 
2013-01-01 06:47:42 PM  
Recall.  Make them start spending campaign cash now.
 
2013-01-01 06:47:46 PM  
Oh so also I read some Republicans are talking about waiting for tomorrow so the stock market will tank so they can have political cover for voting for it?

Yes they want the stock market to fall so it makes them look better.
 
2013-01-01 06:49:24 PM  

JohnnyC: Corvus: Boenher farking lied.

Of course he did... have you known him to do anything else?


I am sort of surprised that he lied about a deal being made. I know they lie about lots of things but thats still something they usually try to keep honest on.
 
2013-01-01 06:50:42 PM  

Infernalist: The Democrats have successfully managed to turn the GOP lock-step group-think, their greatest strength, into a weakness to be exploited. Color me impressed.


Goodbye Tea Party.

i1282.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-01 06:51:21 PM  

Mentat: Infernalist: The Democrats have successfully managed to turn the GOP lock-step group-think, their greatest strength, into a weakness to be exploited. Color me impressed.

Goodbye Tea Party.

[i1282.photobucket.com image 545x237]


That is so unfair to Hans Gruber....
 
2013-01-01 06:53:03 PM  
Watching the freakshow that is the current Republican congress, I realize now there is only one way our federal government will ever be functional again: non-Republicans are going to have to start voting en masse in Republican primary elections.

Thanks to gerrymandering, the Republicans have a House majority all but guaranteed. How else could they have maintained a 30 seat majority in the past election despite their near-universally despised behavior? The only challenge many incumbent Republican congressmen face is during primary elections. These primaries aren't battles to see who is the most moderate, who is the most thoughtful, who is the most capable of working with others. The primaries are just purity deathmatches, where victory goes to the candidate who can appeal most to the rabid, intractable base. Yet these primaries are the only elections that matter in gerrymandered districts. The general election means nothing.

The only way to get around this is for rational people in these gerrymandered districts -- lifelong independents, lifelong Democrats, even people who are generally don't vote but have been roused from their apathy by the insanity of the current House -- to start registering as Republicans, and start voting in primary elections for the least crazy candidate available.
 
2013-01-01 06:53:56 PM  

Infernalist: The Democrats have successfully managed to turn the GOP lock-step group-think, their greatest strength, into a weakness to be exploited. Color me impressed.


Agreed, but I wouldn't give the Democrats too much credit. They did some good compromising. I like that they actually made the effort to appear as a governing party. However, all they really had to do was sit back and watch the Derpers do this to themselves. They had hedged everything they had on a Romney win. They have absolutely nothing. No legislative agenda, no allegiance to the people, nothing... They are screwed and they are curled up in a fetal position hoping that when the sun rises tomorrow President Romney will wipe some cream upon their chaffed bottoms.
 
2013-01-01 06:55:42 PM  

Moodybastard: Mentat: Infernalist: The Democrats have successfully managed to turn the GOP lock-step group-think, their greatest strength, into a weakness to be exploited. Color me impressed.

Goodbye Tea Party.

[i1282.photobucket.com image 545x237]

That is so unfair to Hans Gruber....



Jesus! At least Hans had a f*cking plan! No, it didn't work. At least he had one.

/And the quarterback is toast!
 
2013-01-01 06:57:39 PM  

Corvus: JohnnyC: Corvus: Boenher farking lied.

Of course he did... have you known him to do anything else?

I am sort of surprised that he lied about a deal being made. I know they lie about lots of things but thats still something they usually try to keep honest on.


Eh... not really. He was bluffing, essentially. He's supposedly in a position of power, but he knows his position is largely impotent since the Republicans can't seem to agree on anything except "hate Obama" and at the end of the day, that isn't going to get him anything. The Tea Party... well... I think by now the Republicans are really regretting creating them. I think it's safe to say that Boehner is on his own and just trying to hold on to whatever illusion of power he has left. He thought he would be off the hook, but McConnell threw the ball back in his court. Personally... I think they're both finished politically (thankfully).
 
2013-01-01 07:03:27 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Moodybastard: Mentat: Infernalist: The Democrats have successfully managed to turn the GOP lock-step group-think, their greatest strength, into a weakness to be exploited. Color me impressed.

Goodbye Tea Party.

[i1282.photobucket.com image 545x237]

That is so unfair to Hans Gruber....


Jesus! At least Hans had a f*cking plan! No, it didn't work. At least he had one.

/And the quarterback is toast!


Ahh!!!! Thank you!

I had never really gotten that line. Always thought he said something like "and the warvack is toast" Didn't make a ton of sense but what the hell, its a good movie.
 
2013-01-01 07:10:53 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: NewportBarGuy: Corvus: He never intended to put it up for a vote.

Nope. He didn't. Which surprises me that anyone thought he actually would.

I know there's no chance of it working but I'd love to see patriots who care for their fellow Americans, D or R, and who live in Boner's district, Cantor's and every teatardist congressman, to start recall actions on these farkers for gross negligence and incompetence.


Difficulty--there are a fair number of teatarder Congresscritters who are from states where there IS no effective recall procedure--once they're in, they're in. :P

(Trust me, a LOT of people in KY would LOVE to recall Turtleboy...but unfortunately we have no legal procedure for recall of Senators and/or Representatives once elected.)
 
2013-01-01 07:16:42 PM  
Once the tax cuts expire the Republicans will have no leverage at all. They will be in the position of asking for tax cuts and having to make concessions to get them. I wouldn't be surprised to see the debt ceiling threat given up in the negotiations.
 
2013-01-01 07:23:37 PM  

red5ish: Once the tax cuts expire the Republicans will have no leverage at all. They will be in the position of asking for tax cuts and having to make concessions to get them. I wouldn't be surprised to see the debt ceiling threat given up in the negotiations.


They'll ask for tax cuts and continue to refuse concessions. They believe they are patriots saving the nation - both on this tax increase and on the debt ceiling. At this point, I think we're going to have to wait for the new Congress to come in, at least a week of bad press, and maybe even for Obama to lay into them during the State of the Union before House Republicans will throw in their towel.
 
2013-01-01 07:29:50 PM  

red5ish: Once the tax cuts expire the Republicans will have no leverage at all. They will be in the position of asking for tax cuts and having to make concessions to get them. I wouldn't be surprised to see the debt ceiling threat given up in the negotiations.


That is why I'm afraid they will actually pass the Senate Bill.
 
2013-01-01 07:31:49 PM  

red5ish: Once the tax cuts expire the Republicans will have no leverage at all. They will be in the position of asking for tax cuts and having to make concessions to get them. I wouldn't be surprised to see the debt ceiling threat given up in the negotiations.


I'm not sure about the last sentence, but otherwise I agree. Its not the President who has lost leverage here. Its clearly the Republican side. Obama campaigned on a wider tax increase than this one and got re-elected. Once the markets crash and milk goes to $8 a gallon everything will get even more real...very quickly.
 
2013-01-01 07:35:13 PM  

mrshowrules: That is why I'm afraid they will actually pass the Senate Bill.


I'll be surprised: the hardcore activists on the Reactionary side are howling against it--they too would prefer the so-called "cliff."
 
2013-01-01 07:36:14 PM  
The last deal had the far left and far right screaming bloody murder. So it sounded like a winner to me! If the house GOP rejects it they will put themselves in double checkmate.

I will admit Obama gave them a out. I know most on the left are screaming " Finish Him! "

I really don't think the GOP gets how much trouble they are in. They can save themselves just by acting sane..Just once guys quit with the crazy. The GOP are farking up the country just to make Obama look bad. Its not working, people are blaming Republicans and people are NOT going to forget this in 2014 or 2016 like Republicans seem to be banking on
 
2013-01-01 07:37:13 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: dumbobruni: there are over 3 million unfilled jobs in America, and a bunch of industries ranging from manufacturing to financial services to construction are whining about "skills/staffing shortages".

LOL, how are "unfilled jobs" measured? Counting the number of job postings on companies' web sites and just assuming they're all real positions they're actually hiring for? Or accepting companies' pinky-swear that the shortages they're whining about are real?


This isn't really anything to even take note of in our economy. What is happening for most of these companies is they are currently contracting out the work for these open positions. Essentially by hiring an employee that they will pay less than a contractor and removing business from the contractor they are ultimately hurting the economy. These specialized positions largely go unfilled because people that do them realize there is a gap and can freelance or start their own business and earn more rather than take a full time position.
 
2013-01-01 07:39:11 PM  

Somacandra: I'll be surprised: the hardcore activists on the Reactionary side are howling against it--they too would prefer the so-called "cliff."


Which makes taxes even more. But they seem to have no problem with the middle class taxes going up.
 
2013-01-01 07:39:56 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: The last deal had the far left


What far left?
 
2013-01-01 07:42:11 PM  
Thread jack:

I'm having an awful time responding to posts using my iPad.  Hasn't happened before these last few days.  Do I have a setting off?  iPhone is fine but that is using mobile.
 
2013-01-01 07:44:04 PM  

Corvus: But they seem to have no problem with the middle class taxes going up.


CNN is reporting that an inside source is saying that if they can't get the votes for an Amended version (to send back to the Senate) under the Hastert Rule, Boehner will let the original Senate bill come up for an up/down vote:

If the GOP is able to get a commitment of 218 votes on the amendment, then House Republicans will bring it to the floor for a vote, the source said. If the GOP is not able to secure those votes, it will bring up the Senate-passed measure for an up or down vote in the House, the source said.

We'll see if he will do it.
 
2013-01-01 07:45:28 PM  

Somacandra: I'm not sure about the last sentence, but otherwise I agree.


This constant threat of defaulting is intolerable. I don't think Obama is going to let it continue.
 
2013-01-01 07:45:43 PM  

Somacandra: Corvus: But they seem to have no problem with the middle class taxes going up.

CNN is reporting that an inside source is saying that if they can't get the votes for an Amended version (to send back to the Senate) under the Hastert Rule, Boehner will let the original Senate bill come up for an up/down vote:

If the GOP is able to get a commitment of 218 votes on the amendment, then House Republicans will bring it to the floor for a vote, the source said. If the GOP is not able to secure those votes, it will bring up the Senate-passed measure for an up or down vote in the House, the source said.

We'll see if he will do it.


He's lying again.
 
2013-01-01 07:46:16 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: Thread jack:

I'm having an awful time responding to posts using my iPad.  Hasn't happened before these last few days.  Do I have a setting off?  iPhone is fine but that is using mobile.


My biggest issue is accidentally hitting the goddamned farking post time stamp, which for no goddamn apparent reason is a link that just farks you in the ass only to pull out and spooge on your face, forever farking up your following of the thread.
 
2013-01-01 07:46:46 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: Thread jack:

I'm having an awful time responding to posts using my iPad.  Hasn't happened before these last few days.  Do I have a setting off?  iPhone is fine but that is using mobile.


Meh... I'll just use mobile I guess.
 
2013-01-01 07:48:43 PM  

neongoats: Waxing_Chewbacca: Thread jack:

I'm having an awful time responding to posts using my iPad.  Hasn't happened before these last few days.  Do I have a setting off?  iPhone is fine but that is using mobile.

My biggest issue is accidentally hitting the goddamned farking post time stamp, which for no goddamn apparent reason is a link that just farks you in the ass only to pull out and spooge on your face, forever farking up your following of the thread.


No idea what that meant but I'm laughing my ass off! I don't care about the farking keyboard but you owe me the whiskey. K?
 
2013-01-01 07:50:23 PM  

Somacandra: Corvus: But they seem to have no problem with the middle class taxes going up.

CNN is reporting that an inside source is saying that if they can't get the votes for an Amended version (to send back to the Senate) under the Hastert Rule, Boehner will let the original Senate bill come up for an up/down vote:

If the GOP is able to get a commitment of 218 votes on the amendment, then House Republicans will bring it to the floor for a vote, the source said. If the GOP is not able to secure those votes, it will bring up the Senate-passed measure for an up or down vote in the House, the source said.

We'll see if he will do it.


Later that same article:

"We were elected and then re-elected as a majority to bring the federal government to the right size, to respect every tax dollar," said Hayworth, who lost her re-election bid.
There are no words...
 
2013-01-01 07:51:52 PM  
Ali Velshi is angry on CNN.
 
2013-01-01 07:52:23 PM  

Somacandra:
CNN is reporting that an inside source is saying that if they can't get the votes for an Amended version (to send back to the Senate) under the Hastert Rule, Boehner will let the original Senate bill come up for an up/down vote:


My money is on them bringing the amended bill up for a House vote tonight, it passes with a few democrats going along, but doesn't actually get 218 republican votes -- someone will tell the GOP committee they'll vote for it then won't, or Boener will just say there was a miscount due to confusion. Then they say this is the true bipartisan bill and the Senate better pass it if they want to save America like the good Rs do.
 
2013-01-01 07:52:39 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: Waxing_Chewbacca: NewportBarGuy: Corvus: He never intended to put it up for a vote.

Nope. He didn't. Which surprises me that anyone thought he actually would.

I know there's no chance of it working but I'd love to see patriots who care for their fellow Americans, D or R, and who live in Boner's district, Cantor's and every teatardist congressman, to start recall actions on these farkers for gross negligence and incompetence.

Difficulty--there are a fair number of teatarder Congresscritters who are from states where there IS no effective recall procedure--once they're in, they're in. :P

(Trust me, a LOT of people in KY would LOVE to recall Turtleboy...but unfortunately we have no legal procedure for recall of Senators and/or Representatives once elected.)


fark. Well... Time to drink
 
2013-01-01 07:58:54 PM  

flamingboar: Ali Velshi is angry on CNN.


As a Canadian he has no business commenting on US politics.
 
2013-01-01 07:59:22 PM  

Jekylman: Later that same article:

"We were elected and then re-elected as a majority to bring the federal government to the right size, to respect every tax dollar," said Hayworth, who lost her re-election bid.
There are no words...


When I saw that Hayworth was a lame duck I had a similar reaction. They really don't know when they're loosing, even after they've lost.
 
2013-01-01 08:01:05 PM  
HuffPo saying the House GOP has enough votes to pass the bill without amendments. They will not amend it because they know the Senate will reject it.
 
2013-01-01 08:01:28 PM  

redbucket: Somacandra:
CNN is reporting that an inside source is saying that if they can't get the votes for an Amended version (to send back to the Senate) under the Hastert Rule, Boehner will let the original Senate bill come up for an up/down vote:


My money is on them bringing the amended bill up for a House vote tonight, it passes with a few democrats going along, but doesn't actually get 218 republican votes -- someone will tell the GOP committee they'll vote for it then won't, or Boener will just say there was a miscount due to confusion. Then they say this is the true bipartisan bill and the Senate better pass it if they want to save America like the good Rs do.


At current count, there are 14 'blue dog' Democrats who'd even consider voting for the GOP and there are roughly 70 Tea Derpers who won't vote for any tax increases at all.

The numbers simply don't add up. Unless he plans on breaking the Hastert rule, there won't be a House vote on any of those bills.
 
2013-01-01 08:03:27 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: HuffPo saying the House GOP has enough votes to pass the bill without amendments. They will not amend it because they know the Senate will reject it.


There goes all the leverage then DNC ever had.  Permanent tax cuts on income up to $450K and the GOP can fark Obama on the debt ceiling again and then Obama won't have any leverage at all.
 
2013-01-01 08:06:14 PM  

mrshowrules: shower_in_my_socks: HuffPo saying the House GOP has enough votes to pass the bill without amendments. They will not amend it because they know the Senate will reject it.

There goes all the leverage then DNC ever had.  Permanent tax cuts on income up to $450K and the GOP can fark Obama on the debt ceiling again and then Obama won't have any leverage at all.


I will not count this deal done until it passes back to the Senate with an up-or-down vote from the House.
 
2013-01-01 08:08:48 PM  

Infernalist: there are roughly 70 61 Tea Derpers

 
2013-01-01 08:10:35 PM  

Infernalist: mrshowrules: shower_in_my_socks: HuffPo saying the House GOP has enough votes to pass the bill without amendments. They will not amend it because they know the Senate will reject it.

There goes all the leverage then DNC ever had.  Permanent tax cuts on income up to $450K and the GOP can fark Obama on the debt ceiling again and then Obama won't have any leverage at all.

I will not count this deal done until it passes back to the Senate with an up-or-down vote from the House.


If it passes without amendments (see previous post) it doesn't go back to the Senate.  It goes to the President's desk.
 
2013-01-01 08:15:51 PM  

mrshowrules: shower_in_my_socks: HuffPo saying the House GOP has enough votes to pass the bill without amendments. They will not amend it because they know the Senate will reject it.

There goes all the leverage then DNC ever had.  Permanent tax cuts on income up to $450K and the GOP can fark Obama on the debt ceiling again and then Obama won't have any leverage at all.


Wrong. They have sequestration. The Rs are destroying Medicare! POTUS is playing the long game... Again. Just like in the campaign. Let the man work.
 
2013-01-01 08:20:59 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: mrshowrules: shower_in_my_socks: HuffPo saying the House GOP has enough votes to pass the bill without amendments. They will not amend it because they know the Senate will reject it.

There goes all the leverage then DNC ever had.  Permanent tax cuts on income up to $450K and the GOP can fark Obama on the debt ceiling again and then Obama won't have any leverage at all.

Wrong. They have sequestration. The Rs are destroying Medicare! POTUS is playing the long game... Again. Just like in the campaign. Let the man work.


CNN reported that if it passes without amendments, it doesn't go back to the Senate.   Can you be clearer on why it would go back to the Senate if they House passes it without amendments?
 
2013-01-01 08:21:36 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca:
Wrong. They have sequestration. The Rs are destroying Medicare! POTUS is playing the long game... Again. Just like in the campaign. Let the man work.


I believe sequestration only happens when the two bills have differing language, which wouldn't be the case if they passed the senate bill. Which Rep Cole is now saying will happen.
 
2013-01-01 08:25:07 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: Agreed. It's treason.


See, that's where the dialogue slips into derptitude. We ended up with an outcome that most thinking people didn't want, true, and most of us can agree these clowns aren't doing their job.

But to say these guys are committing a high crime deserving of the death penalty? Nubian please.
 
2013-01-01 08:29:06 PM  

redbucket: Waxing_Chewbacca:
Wrong. They have sequestration. The Rs are destroying Medicare! POTUS is playing the long game... Again. Just like in the campaign. Let the man work.

I believe sequestration only happens when the two bills have differing language, which wouldn't be the case if they passed the senate bill. Which Rep Cole is now saying will happen.


I just can't see the Tea Derpers going along with the bill as-is, no changes. That's not their MO at all. I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2013-01-01 08:29:06 PM  

mrshowrules: Waxing_Chewbacca: mrshowrules: shower_in_my_socks: HuffPo saying the House GOP has enough votes to pass the bill without amendments. They will not amend it because they know the Senate will reject it.

There goes all the leverage then DNC ever had.  Permanent tax cuts on income up to $450K and the GOP can fark Obama on the debt ceiling again and then Obama won't have any leverage at all.

Wrong. They have sequestration. The Rs are destroying Medicare! POTUS is playing the long game... Again. Just like in the campaign. Let the man work.

CNN reported that if it passes without amendments, it doesn't go back to the Senate.   Can you be clearer on why it would go back to the Senate if they House passes it without amendments?


The Senate already passed it. If the House passes it, it goes to the president to sign it into law.
 
2013-01-01 08:29:55 PM  
As a federal employee I am not sure which i rather have, this bill passed or just go off the cliff already.

On the one hand I can appreciate the tax issue being resolved, on the other hand we have 2 more months of no real budget and dealing with the across the board cuts hanging over head. Its starting to get ridiculous.
 
2013-01-01 08:30:15 PM  

red5ish: Infernalist: there are roughly 70 61 Tea Derpers

Tealiban
 
2013-01-01 08:34:07 PM  

skullkrusher: TV's Vinnie: skullkrusher: TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.

Seriously, your scorched earth theory is stupid.
They actually believe they are doing the right thing. Yes, they are that dumb.

No. Deep down, they know what they are doing is wrong and evil. They just don't care because it's all about them and if they can't get their way, then let all of creation itself be damned!

probably not


You've never heard of Steve King, have you?
 
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