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2013-01-01 05:54:56 PM
This is what we get for electing lawyers, car salesmen, and bartenders to congress: A relentless self-farking.
 
2013-01-01 05:57:56 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: This is what we get for electing lawyers, car salesmen, and bartenders to congress: A relentless self-farking.


At least they are getting off the high horse....

/get that image out of your head.
 
2013-01-01 05:58:21 PM
So now the Republicans have painted themselves in a corner. They made it so raising any income taxes is treason to their ideology and then forced themselves into a situation where they will have to compromise on raising income taxes.

They didn't even just pain themselves in a corner, they painted themselves in a corner a then started a time bomb in that corner.
 
2013-01-01 05:59:22 PM

coco ebert: Anyone know if NSF funding will be affected by these austerity measures?


Not directly, but depending on how long the "budget sequestration" goes into effect, NSF and the like would have to limit the number of grants they provide.
 
2013-01-01 06:01:41 PM

Somacandra: dumbobruni: there are over 3 million unfilled jobs in America, and a bunch of industries ranging from manufacturing to financial services to construction are whining about "skills/staffing shortages".

People have to have certain skill sets and they have to live where the jobs that require those skill sets are. That's a lot.


or companies could offer more money.

from the noted commies at Wharton Business School, regarding those 600,000 unfilled manufacturing jobs:

Despite the dire outlook, some say there's a relatively simple way to defuse the sector's talent bomb. Peter Cappelli, for one, likens manufacturers' talent complaints to shopping for a car, not finding the vehicle you want within your budget-and then concluding there's a car shortage. "If you want to get people into a particular field, you might start by paying them more," says Mr. Cappelli, director of the Center for Human Resources at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. "Or make the training more attractive and easier to do."

Link
 
2013-01-01 06:02:04 PM

Corvus: So now the Republicans have painted themselves in a corner. They made it so raising any income taxes is treason to their ideology and then forced themselves into a situation where they will have to compromise on raising income taxes.

They didn't even just pain themselves in a corner, they painted themselves in a corner a then started a time bomb in that corner.


Right now the House GOP isn't even talking about the tax issue. Grover Norquist even said he'd vote for the Senate bill yesterday.

Any amendments the House makes will most likely only add spending cuts.
 
2013-01-01 06:03:16 PM
Anyone got a quick summary for someone who wasn't paying attention yesterday or today?

Tax cuts for all but 400k/450k + and no spending cuts for 2 months (isn't that the same time as the debt ceiling issue?). That's it?
 
2013-01-01 06:04:53 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: ariseatex: Brit Hume @brithume
Appears the House GOP's pie-in-the-sky caucus will blow up the deal, leaving new higher tax rates in place and assuring Rs get all blame.

Guess they've lost Fox News.

Wow... Just wow.


This...wow, if they've lost Fox News they've really put themselves in a very very very very small corner with no way out.
 
2013-01-01 06:06:48 PM

jst3p: Anyone got a quick summary for someone who wasn't paying attention yesterday or today?

Tax cuts for all but 400k/450k + and no spending cuts for 2 months (isn't that the same time as the debt ceiling issue?). That's it?



Update: Nothing for no one. We ain't getting sh*t outta the House.
 
2013-01-01 06:07:53 PM

TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.


There can't possibly be enough of them to prevent this from passing. The House doesn't get to filibuster. If nearly all Dems vote yes, they'll only need, what, 30 or 40 out of 200some Republicans to join them?
 
2013-01-01 06:10:29 PM

Tommy Moo: TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.

There can't possibly be enough of them to prevent this from passing. The House doesn't get to filibuster. If nearly all Dems vote yes, they'll only need, what, 30 or 40 out of 200some Republicans to join them?


Boehner's unofficially bound by the "Hastert Rule," which is that a GOP Speaker should not bring a bill up for vote unless it is supported by a majority of GOP reps.

If Boehner breaks the Hastert Rule, he's done as Speaker come Thursday.

Now, he could say "The political process and getting things done are both more important than unofficial rules or my Speakership, so I'm bringing the bill up for a vote anyway."

But, this is Boehner we're talking about.
 
2013-01-01 06:12:49 PM

TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.


Seriously, your scorched earth theory is stupid.
They actually believe they are doing the right thing. Yes, they are that dumb.
 
2013-01-01 06:14:16 PM
The House Republicans think Americans will be fooled by this game of musical chairs.
 
2013-01-01 06:14:57 PM

ariseatex: Tommy Moo: TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.

There can't possibly be enough of them to prevent this from passing. The House doesn't get to filibuster. If nearly all Dems vote yes, they'll only need, what, 30 or 40 out of 200some Republicans to join them?

Boehner's unofficially bound by the "Hastert Rule," which is that a GOP Speaker should not bring a bill up for vote unless it is supported by a majority of GOP reps.

If Boehner breaks the Hastert Rule, he's done as Speaker come Thursday.

Now, he could say "The political process and getting things done are both more important than unofficial rules or my Speakership, so I'm bringing the bill up for a vote anyway."

But, this is Boehner we're talking about.


I see.

Well, whatever. I'm fine with sequestration. We need the revenue. I was ok with just the middle class tax cut, but if this is what it is, then let the GOP raise taxes on everyone. And then watch them wring their hands as their own stupid bill takes an executioner's axe to a few heads of the Pentagon hydra.
 
2013-01-01 06:15:15 PM
Apparently the GOP is whipping right now for votes on an amended bill.
 
2013-01-01 06:15:51 PM

red5ish: The House Republicans think Americans will be fooled by this game of musical chairs.


Most of their base will be.
 
2013-01-01 06:15:52 PM

red5ish: The House Republicans think Americans will be fooled by this game of musical chairs.


It doesn't matter. They have already shown that they can hold a majority of the House whether people vote for them or not.
 
2013-01-01 06:17:13 PM

red5ish: The House Republicans think Americans will be fooled by this game of musical chairs.


When haven't they?
 
2013-01-01 06:18:45 PM

DamnYankees: Apparently the GOP is whipping right now for votes on an amended bill.


And Reid just announced that the Senate is adjourned for the day. Didn't hear anything about tomorrow, though. So if an amended bill is passed by the House today, there's still a nonzero chance that the Senate could pass it tomorrow. There's also a nonzero chance that I'll spend tonight in a mad passionate threesome with Anderson Cooper, but I'm not holding my breath on either.
 
2013-01-01 06:20:01 PM
In the end it really isn't the fault of these teatards in congress.  It's the mongloid, mouth-breathers in their districts.  Thanks assholes.  You farked the country.
 
2013-01-01 06:20:58 PM

ariseatex: Tommy Moo: TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.

There can't possibly be enough of them to prevent this from passing. The House doesn't get to filibuster. If nearly all Dems vote yes, they'll only need, what, 30 or 40 out of 200some Republicans to join them?

Boehner's unofficially bound by the "Hastert Rule," which is that a GOP Speaker should not bring a bill up for vote unless it is supported by a majority of GOP reps.

If Boehner breaks the Hastert Rule, he's done as Speaker come Thursday.

Now, he could say "The political process and getting things done are both more important than unofficial rules or my Speakership, so I'm bringing the bill up for a vote anyway."

But, this is Boehner we're talking about.


He doesn't have the balls for that. No way it happens.
 
2013-01-01 06:21:56 PM

DamnYankees: Apparently the GOP is whipping right now for votes on an amended bill.


The senate should jam it up there ass.
 
2013-01-01 06:22:28 PM

ariseatex: DamnYankees: Apparently the GOP is whipping right now for votes on an amended bill.

And Reid just announced that the Senate is adjourned for the day. Didn't hear anything about tomorrow, though. So if an amended bill is passed by the House today, there's still a nonzero chance that the Senate could pass it tomorrow. There's also a nonzero chance that I'll spend tonight in a mad passionate threesome with Anderson Cooper, but I'm not holding my breath on either.


who's the third? I can't assess the likelihood of your situation without that info
 
2013-01-01 06:23:06 PM
Serious question here:

If Boehner couldn't get a majority of Republicans to support his BS only tax people over 1 million bill why the fark did he think a bi-partisan senate bill would do better?


Didn't he say he would give it a vote in the house if the senate passed one? Now he is going back on his word because the Republicans don't support it?

What the fark did he think was going to happen? That the Republicans who hated the BS GOP bill were going to support the bi-partisan bill?

Or was this all a charade so he hoped the senate would fail and he could blame them? Didn't he say he would put it up for a vote even if the majority of republicans didn't support it? If not why did he have everyone waste their time?
 
2013-01-01 06:23:37 PM
How many seats did the Ds pick up?  Maybe this can pass once they're sworn in.  F the GOP.
 
2013-01-01 06:25:48 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: In the end it really isn't the fault of these teatards in congress.  It's the mongloid, mouth-breathers in their districts.  Thanks assholes.  You farked the country.


If we want to blame low-information voters (and we should) let's also thank Fox News, the Koch brothers, Rush, and the myriad of AM Radio Talk Show hosts who make their living misinforming the electorate. Without them the tea baggers wouldn't have been anything more than the disaffected fringe on the right.
 
2013-01-01 06:26:07 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: How many seats did the Ds pick up?  Maybe this can pass once they're sworn in.  F the GOP.


The problem is that no bill goes up for a vote unless a majority of Republicans want it to. So it doesn't matter how many Democrats are in.
 
2013-01-01 06:26:58 PM

red5ish: Waxing_Chewbacca: In the end it really isn't the fault of these teatards in congress.  It's the mongloid, mouth-breathers in their districts.  Thanks assholes.  You farked the country.

If we want to blame low-information voters (and we should) let's also thank Fox News, the Koch brothers, Rush, and the myriad of AM Radio Talk Show hosts who make their living misinforming the electorate. Without them the tea baggers wouldn't have been anything more than the disaffected fringe on the right.


Actually I would say low information voters are much much better than those you mention.
 
2013-01-01 06:28:54 PM

HeadLever: GAT_00: May have something to do with a recession that is slow to recover due to huge government spending cuts and businesses that no longer create jobs despite record profits.

One is sustainable and one is not. I'll let you figure out which is which.


That had nothing to do with what I asked you.
 
2013-01-01 06:29:42 PM

red5ish: Waxing_Chewbacca: In the end it really isn't the fault of these teatards in congress.  It's the mongloid, mouth-breathers in their districts.  Thanks assholes.  You farked the country.

If we want to blame low-information voters (and we should) let's also thank Fox News, the Koch brothers, Rush, and the myriad of AM Radio Talk Show hosts who make their living misinforming the electorate. Without them the tea baggers wouldn't have been anything more than the disaffected fringe on tagreed


Agreed.  It's treason.
 
2013-01-01 06:29:52 PM

Corvus: Serious question here:

If Boehner couldn't get a majority of Republicans to support his BS only tax people over 1 million bill why the fark did he think a bi-partisan senate bill would do better?


Didn't he say he would give it a vote in the house if the senate passed one? Now he is going back on his word because the Republicans don't support it?

What the fark did he think was going to happen? That the Republicans who hated the BS GOP bill were going to support the bi-partisan bill?

Or was this all a charade so he hoped the senate would fail and he could blame them? Didn't he say he would put it up for a vote even if the majority of republicans didn't support it? If not why did he have everyone waste their time?


that's like 8 questions
 
2013-01-01 06:30:33 PM
The Republicans should make Pelosi the next Speaker just so they have someone to blame.
 
2013-01-01 06:31:24 PM

Corvus: Waxing_Chewbacca: How many seats did the Ds pick up?  Maybe this can pass once they're sworn in.  F the GOP.

The problem is that no bill goes up for a vote unless a majority of Republicans want it to. So it doesn't matter how many Democrats are in.


Boner is watching votes for the gavel more than the bill then.  What a great patriot.
 
2013-01-01 06:31:33 PM

TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.


filmint.nu

We are stepped out upon the world's stage now, with the fate of the world economy is in our hands! Teabagger's blood's been spilled to afford us this moment! Now! Now! Now!
 
2013-01-01 06:33:18 PM

Corvus: Or was this all a charade so he hoped the senate would fail and he could blame them?


This. Exactly this. Johnny Boy thought he could get Turtlehead to take the blame. Well...

i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-01 06:34:08 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: The Republicans should make Pelosi the next Speaker just so they have someone to blame.


That?  That was awesome.
 
2013-01-01 06:35:32 PM

Corvus: Or was this all a charade so he hoped the senate would fail and he could blame them? Didn't he say he would put it up for a vote even if the majority of republicans didn't support it? If not why did he have everyone waste their time?


I think you're on the money with the part I bolded above. I don't remember Boehner saying he'd have the House vote for it even if the majority of republicans didn't support it. Even if he did, though, there's a difference between saying that and saying "I'll have the House vote on it with no amendments added."

skullkrusher: who's the third? I can't assess the likelihood of your situation without that info


My partner. He's down for the plan. Just waiting on Anderson.
 
2013-01-01 06:37:52 PM

ariseatex: My partner. He's down for the plan. Just waiting on Anderson.


oh, good luck
 
2013-01-01 06:38:31 PM

NewportBarGuy: Corvus: Or was this all a charade so he hoped the senate would fail and he could blame them?

This. Exactly this. Johnny Boy thought he could get Turtlehead to take the blame. Well...

[i47.tinypic.com image 565x405]


So Boehner thought Reid was as incompetent as him? Yeah, guess that 89 - 8 vote didn't work out like he expected.


But obviously if he is not putting this up for a vote nothing that could have came out of the senate they were going to vote on.

His "The senate needs to make a bi-partisan bill" was a lie. He never intended to put it up for a vote.
 
2013-01-01 06:39:25 PM

Corvus: If Boehner couldn't get a majority of Republicans to support his BS only tax people over 1 million bill why the fark did he think a bi-partisan senate bill would do better?


Didn't he say he would give it a vote in the house if the senate passed one? Now he is going back on his word because the Republicans don't support it?

What the fark did he think was going to happen? That the Republicans who hated the BS GOP bill were going to support the bi-partisan bill?

Or was this all a charade so he hoped the senate would fail and he could blame them? Didn't he say he would put it up for a vote even if the majority of republicans didn't support it? If not why did he have everyone waste their time?


Boehner is drunk...orange... and flaccid.

I don't think they actually had a 'plan' outside of putting up appearances without substance. Really, I think most of this is simply spite. The Republicans and Teahaddis know they've screwed themselves and are just trying to make sure everyone is screwed right along with them. About the only way anything is going to pass the House is if there is a rider on the bill that allows them to legally (and without consequence) refer to the President as "Boy" from now on. Scum... the lot of them.
 
2013-01-01 06:39:35 PM

Corvus: He never intended to put it up for a vote.


Nope. He didn't. Which surprises me that anyone thought he actually would.
 
2013-01-01 06:40:28 PM
This was in no way a perfect bill.  A lot of Ds hated it.  I, had been there, would have voted yes for the good of the nation but held my nose.  These assholes can't except anything but everything they want.  Hell, Brit farkin Hume is calling them out.  I hope the GOP burns after this.  Moderates too as they looked the other way as the teatards took over.  Ronnie Regean would have been ecstatic in getting a deal like this.  Wtf are these people thinking?!  Wtf are the people who ELECT them thinking?!
 
2013-01-01 06:40:46 PM

skullkrusher: TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.

Seriously, your scorched earth theory is stupid.
They actually believe they are doing the right thing. Yes, they are that dumb.


No. Deep down, they know what they are doing is wrong and evil. They just don't care because it's all about them and if they can't get their way, then let all of creation itself be damned!
 
2013-01-01 06:41:22 PM

ariseatex: Even if he did, though, there's a difference between saying that and saying "I'll have the House vote on it with no amendments added."


Then why wasn't he involved in negotiations then? You can't say "I am done I am leaving it up to the senate" and when the senate does it you go "Why the hell wasn't I involved!!"

Well you can. It's what children do but everyone should call it out for being complete bullshiat.
 
2013-01-01 06:41:57 PM

Tommy Moo: TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.

There can't possibly be enough of them to prevent this from passing. The House doesn't get to filibuster. If nearly all Dems vote yes, they'll only need, what, 30 or 40 out of 200some Republicans to join them?


Even when there was a Democrat Supermajority a few years back, all it took was one selfish spiteful little dickhead named Joe Lieberman to monkeywrench everything up.
 
2013-01-01 06:42:26 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: This was in no way a perfect bill.  A lot of Ds hated it.  I, had been there, would have voted yes for the good of the nation but held my nose.  These assholes can't except anything but everything they want.  Hell, Brit farkin Hume is calling them out.  I hope the GOP burns after this.  Moderates too as they looked the other way as the teatards took over.  Ronnie Regean would have been ecstatic in getting a deal like this.  Wtf are these people thinking?!  Wtf are the people who ELECT them thinking?!


That it's better for government to do absolutely nothing than to do something they disagree with.

They're cheering this.
 
2013-01-01 06:43:05 PM

TV's Vinnie: skullkrusher: TV's Vinnie: [i45.tinypic.com image 338x338]
TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.

Seriously, your scorched earth theory is stupid.
They actually believe they are doing the right thing. Yes, they are that dumb.

No. Deep down, they know what they are doing is wrong and evil. They just don't care because it's all about them and if they can't get their way, then let all of creation itself be damned!


probably not
 
2013-01-01 06:43:19 PM

NewportBarGuy: Corvus: He never intended to put it up for a vote.

Nope. He didn't. Which surprises me that anyone thought he actually would.


I personally think Boehner is screwed no matter what he does. The GOP donors and sponsors are not happy about their taxes going up, that's a fact, but those sponsors can't influence the Tea Derpers and Boehner can't threaten them into compliance, so...

He's stuck. He can't do a vote without unanimous GOP consensus and they're not going to give it.

The Democrats have successfully managed to turn the GOP lock-step group-think, their greatest strength, into a weakness to be exploited. Color me impressed.
 
2013-01-01 06:43:24 PM

ariseatex: I think you're on the money with the part I bolded above. I don't remember Boehner saying he'd have the House vote for it even if the majority of republicans didn't support it.


Pelosi says he did.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her deptuies noted that Boehner had vowed to act on whatever budget package was sent over from the Senate.

He out and out lied.
 
2013-01-01 06:45:17 PM

NewportBarGuy: Corvus: He never intended to put it up for a vote.

Nope. He didn't. Which surprises me that anyone thought he actually would.


I know there's no chance of it working but I'd love to see patriots who care for their fellow Americans, D or R, and who live in Boner's district, Cantor's and every teatardist congressman, to start recall actions on these farkers for gross negligence and incompetence.
 
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