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2013-01-01 04:06:32 PM

Corvus: When people on the right are saying this is the worst deal ever and Obama got everything (which I do not agree with either), usually it doesn't mean they won, does it?

I thought that covered it. Do I need to reword that or use all caps?
Never said it was true. I said: When people are saying something is the worst deal ever usually it means they did not win.


Except when they whine no matter what because they are perpetual victims. Would all caps help? They ride the outrage-train 24/7. Every action taken by Obama, regardless of the outcome, is fit into the narrative that they are being screwed by his unconstitutional boner. Their outrage does not constitute a useful measure of their success or failure.

You've moved on from just being wrong to obnoxiously sneering in defiance of the obvious.
 
2013-01-01 04:06:40 PM
I'm actually pretty worried at this point that this bill will pass the House with 190 Democrats and 30 Republicans, the Dems will essentially have passed this bill completely on their own.
 
2013-01-01 04:06:57 PM

Smelly McUgly: Oh, House Republicans. Thanks for trying to commit harakiri AND give us those defense spending cuts we all needed. Now for you to put yourselves out on a limb voting against a tax cut tomorrow! Just finish sticking the knife in today.



i1191.photobucket.com

"You're about t' die of principles."
 
2013-01-01 04:08:05 PM

DamnYankees: I'm actually pretty worried at this point that this bill will pass the House with 190 Democrats and 30 Republicans, the Dems will essentially have passed this bill completely on their own.


If it gets that far. Remember, in this Congress, a bill needs a majority of the majority to come up for a vote.
 
2013-01-01 04:08:46 PM

russlar: DamnYankees: I'm actually pretty worried at this point that this bill will pass the House with 190 Democrats and 30 Republicans, the Dems will essentially have passed this bill completely on their own.

If it gets that far. Remember, in this Congress, a bill needs a majority of the majority to come up for a vote.


It doesn't 'need' that. It's an informal rule.
 
2013-01-01 04:08:58 PM

DamnYankees: I'm actually pretty worried at this point that this bill will pass the House with 190 Democrats and 30 Republicans, the Dems will essentially have passed this bill completely on their own.


It won't. Because the GOP will amend it, meaning it has to go back to the Senate, and the Senate Dems have already said they're not coming back for any more votes. Amendments are tantamount to killing the bill.
 
2013-01-01 04:09:49 PM

Gosling: DamnYankees: I'm actually pretty worried at this point that this bill will pass the House with 190 Democrats and 30 Republicans, the Dems will essentially have passed this bill completely on their own.

It won't. Because the GOP will amend it, meaning it has to go back to the Senate, and the Senate Dems have already said they're not coming back for any more votes. Amendments are tantamount to killing the bill.


I'm not sure how the amendment process works - if you have a majority for the bill as is, there's no way to stop it from being amended?
 
2013-01-01 04:11:20 PM

HeadLever: Corvus: Yes Medicare & SS is a seperate budget which currently have positive money (that are all IOUs because it was borrowed from the main budget).

?

SS is running at a deficit. Positive? Not sure what you are talking about here. The trust fund is not a pot of money but another sector of Government debt. Nothing positive about it.


ummm


According to the Social Security Trustees, who oversee the program and report on its financial condition, program costs are expected to exceed non-interest income from 2011 onward. However, due to interest (earned at a 4.4% rate in 2011) the program will run an overall surplus that adds to the fund through the end of 2021.

. At the end of 2011, the Trust Fund contained (or alternatively, was owed) $2.7 trillion, up $69 billion from 2010.[1]


You are wrong. and it's funny because I know you being wrong about this point that you think was so important will not change your mind.

It has 2.7 trillion. Yes it will still need to be adjusted like I said in the future. The problem is government has been borrowing from it and Republicans don't want to give the money back because they want to steal it for tax cuts for the rich.
 
2013-01-01 04:11:38 PM
I guess Cantor didn't want to wait until the ides of March to stab Boehner in the back.
 
2013-01-01 04:12:42 PM

Gosling: DamnYankees: I'm actually pretty worried at this point that this bill will pass the House with 190 Democrats and 30 Republicans, the Dems will essentially have passed this bill completely on their own.

It won't. Because the GOP will amend it, meaning it has to go back to the Senate, and the Senate Dems have already said they're not coming back for any more votes. Amendments are tantamount to killing the bill.


And the finger-pointing can continue with no clear villains, because at that point both sides get to claim "we were TRYING to work with them, but they dragged their feet!"
 
2013-01-01 04:13:37 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Corvus: When people on the right are saying this is the worst deal ever and Obama got everything (which I do not agree with either), usually it doesn't mean they won, does it?

I thought that covered it. Do I need to reword that or use all caps?
Never said it was true. I said: When people are saying something is the worst deal ever usually it means they did not win.

Except when they whine no matter what because they are perpetual victims. Would all caps help? They ride the outrage-train 24/7. Every action taken by Obama, regardless of the outcome, is fit into the narrative that they are being screwed by his unconstitutional boner. Their outrage does not constitute a useful measure of their success or failure.

You've moved on from just being wrong to obnoxiously sneering in defiance of the obvious.


So you didn't make this comment:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: 1) If you aren't advocating the Freeper position as the truth, then why the fark did you bring it up? You seem to really enjoy non-sequitors.


Sorry I thought it was you. sorry I thought that "1)" meant it was a seperate point.
 
2013-01-01 04:13:40 PM

Mentat: And here is Jonah Goldberg's response:  President Obama's effort to sabotage his own last-minute deal with the Senate reveals who is the real adult in the White House.


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2013-01-01 04:15:01 PM
www.exhausted.com

/maybe a cheerleader will help them
 
2013-01-01 04:15:13 PM

DamnYankees: I'm actually pretty worried at this point that this bill will pass the House with 190 Democrats and 30 Republicans, the Dems will essentially have passed this bill completely on their own.


Well except for all those Republican senators who voted yes.
 
2013-01-01 04:16:05 PM

DamnYankees: Gosling: DamnYankees: I'm actually pretty worried at this point that this bill will pass the House with 190 Democrats and 30 Republicans, the Dems will essentially have passed this bill completely on their own.

It won't. Because the GOP will amend it, meaning it has to go back to the Senate, and the Senate Dems have already said they're not coming back for any more votes. Amendments are tantamount to killing the bill.

I'm not sure how the amendment process works - if you have a majority for the bill as is, there's no way to stop it from being amended?


The House is on a tight schedule. If this thing isn't passed by the time the new Senate is seated (Midnight on Wed/Thurs IIRC) the Senate vote is void and it has to start all over. While it doesn't prevent the House GOP from amending it it does discourage them.
 
2013-01-01 04:17:09 PM

Corvus: It has 2.7 trillion. Yes it will still need to be adjusted like I said in the future. The problem is government has been borrowing from it and Republicans don't want to give the money back because they want to steal it for tax cuts for the rich


I though SS was obligated by law to put the surplus into T-Bills (essentially lending it to the US general fund) to avoid taking all those trillions out of the economy. Wouldn't just leaving it in piles of cash in a vault be bad for the economy?
 
2013-01-01 04:18:08 PM

GoldSpider: 2. How do we encourage businesses to hire?


Mandate a 30 hour work day? At some point we're going to have to accept that there are more workers out there than there is (full-time) work to do.
 
2013-01-01 04:18:14 PM

Corvus: So you didn't make this comment:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: 1) If you aren't advocating the Freeper position as the truth, then why the fark did you bring it up? You seem to really enjoy non-sequitors.

Sorry I thought it was you. sorry I thought that "1)" meant it was a seperate point.


WTF are you talking about? Are you actually complaining that I managed to make both of your points look foolish at the same time?

Come up with something of substance, or admit you have nothing. Or just fade the fark away and let your failure get buried already. You have no leg to stand on. You've failed. You are now trying desperately to retreat into some obscure complaint of semantics. You aren't even defending your own bullshiat anymore.

It's over.
 
2013-01-01 04:18:35 PM
Jamelle Bouie  @jbouie
RT@jesseltaylor: Pretty sure the House GOP caucus at this point is a glorified version of the gang from It's Always Sunny. Boehner is Dee.
 
2013-01-01 04:19:16 PM

HeadLever: I'll disagree. When the interest on the debt eats up about 20% of the entire federal tax revenue (and remember how low interest rates are currently), it is a huge problem. only those that have no clue are the ones that pretend that this is not a problem. Just imagine what will happen to this cost when interest rates normalize. While i'll agree that it is not the biggest problem in the short term, it is THE most serious long term problems that we currently face as a country and that small changes right now have huge implications for future generations. Kicking that can down the road isn't going to work for much longer.



The current deficit is financed at (also current) low rates of interest. So really, this points supports the assertion made by the person you were responding too...the deficit is a problem for the future once the economy has stabilized. An economy that won't stabilize if you hamstring the sector that makes up roughly 25% of economic activity.
 
2013-01-01 04:19:39 PM

LazarusLong42: Spending needs to continue in the short-term in order to get the economy back in order. Only after that's done--only after unemployment is back below ~6%, and growth is above ~2% yearly, should we think about cutting the deficit and debt. Why, you ask?

Because if we start cutting them now by imposing huge spending cuts, in the long term the debt will increase even more due to a continued sagging economy.


Really? Ask Japan how well that has worked out for them. They have spent ove a decade trying to spend their way out of multiple recessions with the only thing to show for it is a Naitonal Debt that is now over 200% of their GDP. During the 1990s alone Japan tried 10 fiscal stimulus packages totaling more than 100 trillion yen, and each failed to end the recession
 
2013-01-01 04:20:19 PM

DamnYankees: Jamelle Bouie @jbouie
RT@jesseltaylor: Pretty sure the House GOP caucus at this point is a glorified version of the gang from It's Always Sunny. Boehner is Dee.


Ouch, that's harsh.
 
2013-01-01 04:20:31 PM
THAT IS OBAMA'S MUSIC, BAH GAWD! AND HE'S BROUGHT STONE COLD! STONE COLD! STONE COLD! STUNNER! STUNNER! STUNNER! BAH GAWD KING! THIS IS A SLOBBERKNOCKER!
 
2013-01-01 04:22:35 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Corvus: So you didn't make this comment:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: 1) If you aren't advocating the Freeper position as the truth, then why the fark did you bring it up? You seem to really enjoy non-sequitors.

Sorry I thought it was you. sorry I thought that "1)" meant it was a seperate point.

WTF are you talking about? Are you actually complaining that I managed to make both of your points look foolish at the same time?

Come up with something of substance, or admit you have nothing. Or just fade the fark away and let your failure get buried already. You have no leg to stand on. You've failed. You are now trying desperately to retreat into some obscure complaint of semantics. You aren't even defending your own bullshiat anymore.

It's over.


I've been tying to follow this argument. It seems like you guys actually agree on the level of craziness of Free Republic users and their lack of touch with reality in general. Why are you arguing again?
 
2013-01-01 04:23:10 PM

hasty ambush: During the 1990s alone Japan tried 10 fiscal stimulus packages totaling more than 100 trillion yen, and each failed to end the recession


Does Japan own the currency that the world's most important commodity is priced in? No? They don't have the US Dollar? Well, then maybe you shouldn't be f*cking comparing us to them. It makes about as much sense as when Republican Politicians say America will become the next Greece. Greece has a Reserve Currency? Really?

Until you people understand the US economy and the mechanisms we have, you should probably stop pretending you know what the f*ck you're talking about.
 
2013-01-01 04:23:12 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Corvus: So you didn't make this comment:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: 1) If you aren't advocating the Freeper position as the truth, then why the fark did you bring it up? You seem to really enjoy non-sequitors.

Sorry I thought it was you. sorry I thought that "1)" meant it was a seperate point.

WTF are you talking about? Are you actually complaining that I managed to make both of your points look foolish at the same time?

Come up with something of substance, or admit you have nothing. Or just fade the fark away and let your failure get buried already. You have no leg to stand on. You've failed. You are now trying desperately to retreat into some obscure complaint of semantics. You aren't even defending your own bullshiat anymore.

It's over.


What "bullshiat"? I don't know why you are wigging out on this and can't seem to have a rational discussion but I am just going to not respond anymore. Probably in a day or two your calm down about this issue.

I never once said people on FreeRepublic are truthful but it's something you argued I said and then you ignored that you had you said that. You are being irrational about this. So forget it.
 
2013-01-01 04:24:21 PM

jocutus: I've been tying to follow this argument. It seems like you guys actually agree on the level of craziness of Free Republic users and their lack of touch with reality in general. Why are you arguing again?


He is pretending I made an argument that people on FR are truthful. Which is an argument I never actually made.
 
2013-01-01 04:24:43 PM
Issa on CNN just implied that the Senate was drunk and partying when they passed the bill to avoid the fiscal cliff....This is what Obama is dealing with. Over the cliff we go!!!
 
2013-01-01 04:27:38 PM

kingflower: Issa on CNN just implied that the Senate was drunk and partying when they passed the bill to avoid the fiscal cliff....This is what Obama is dealing with. Over the cliff we go!!!


even the "low information" voter is going to realize the house Republicans are a bunch of assholes.

They won't deal with Obama so they write their own bill. They can't pass that. Then the tell the Senate to make a bi-partisan bill for them (probably thinking it will fail and then they can blame it all on them) they actually do that but then they refuse that bill.
 
2013-01-01 04:28:43 PM

stiletto_the_wise: GoldSpider: 2. How do we encourage businesses to hire?

Mandate a 30 hour work day? At some point we're going to have to accept that there are more workers out there than there is (full-time) work to do.


there are over 3 million unfilled jobs in America, and a bunch of industries ranging from manufacturing to financial services to construction are whining about "skills/staffing shortages".
 
2013-01-01 04:29:11 PM

kingflower: Issa on CNN just implied that the Senate was drunk and partying when they passed the bill to avoid the fiscal cliff....This is what Obama is dealing with. Over the cliff we go!!!


Technically we're already over and trying to pull on a parachute, but one of our hands keeps punching us in the face and complaining about how much we're spending on parachutes. It's been that way for 4 years now.
 
2013-01-01 04:29:20 PM
Okay so the whole 'omfg cliff deadline' was a load of horseshiat, apparently...

So, when is this officially done and we're over the cliff and the cuts kick in?
 
2013-01-01 04:30:57 PM

jocutus: kingflower: Issa on CNN just implied that the Senate was drunk and partying when they passed the bill to avoid the fiscal cliff....This is what Obama is dealing with. Over the cliff we go!!!

Technically we're already over and trying to pull on a parachute, but one of our hands keeps punching us in the face and complaining about how much we're spending on parachutes. It's been that way for 4 years now.


That's the greatest analogy in the history of the English language.
 
2013-01-01 04:31:16 PM
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TEABAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!

Seriously. The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Just wait for these fired farksticks to be out of office later this month, and THEN begin the fiscal curb and budget ceiling talks once there are more Democrats sworn in.
 
2013-01-01 04:31:16 PM
There is no deal that the house GOP will like unless it's 100% what they want.
 
2013-01-01 04:31:44 PM

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2013-01-01 04:32:13 PM

TV's Vinnie: The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.


Almost every individual tea partier in Congress actually won their election. The GOP only lost 8 seats. This is part of the problem.
 
2013-01-01 04:32:44 PM
I can't wait for that 27% cut to physician reimbursement. Lets see how the elderly like paying out of pocket for medical care once doctors stop accepting Medicare. You reap what you sow GOP.
 
2013-01-01 04:32:48 PM

jocutus: Technically we're already over and trying to pull on a parachute, but one of our hands keeps punching us in the face and complaining about how much we're spending on parachutes. It's been that way for 4 years now.


[applause.gif]
 
2013-01-01 04:33:56 PM

jocutus: kingflower: Issa on CNN just implied that the Senate was drunk and partying when they passed the bill to avoid the fiscal cliff....This is what Obama is dealing with. Over the cliff we go!!!

Technically we're already over and trying to pull on a parachute, but one of our hands keeps punching us in the face and complaining about how much we're spending on parachutes. It's been that way for 4 years now.


What is the other hand doing? Something involving oil and the anus?
 
2013-01-01 04:35:24 PM

dumbobruni: there are over 3 million unfilled jobs in America, and a bunch of industries ranging from manufacturing to financial services to construction are whining about "skills/staffing shortages".


LOL, how are "unfilled jobs" measured? Counting the number of job postings on companies' web sites and just assuming they're all real positions they're actually hiring for? Or accepting companies' pinky-swear that the shortages they're whining about are real?
 
2013-01-01 04:35:46 PM

DamnYankees: TV's Vinnie: The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Almost every individual tea partier in Congress actually won their election. The GOP only lost 8 seats. This is part of the problem.


also notice that Akin and Mourdock lost due to their stances on women's issues, not economics.
 
2013-01-01 04:36:00 PM
I love how the House feed still shows them as in recess.
 
2013-01-01 04:36:13 PM
Matt Yglesias  @mattyglesias
Senate GOP is lawful evil, House GOP is chaotic evil.
 
2013-01-01 04:36:49 PM

dumbobruni: DamnYankees: TV's Vinnie: The Teabaggers who lost the election are just trying to wreck the country because they're butthurt little crybabies who still cannot fathom the fact that most of the country is disgusted with them.

Almost every individual tea partier in Congress actually won their election. The GOP only lost 8 seats. This is part of the problem.

also notice that Akin and Mourdock lost due to their stances on women's issues, not economics.


Also a very good point.
 
2013-01-01 04:37:02 PM

kingflower: Issa on CNN just implied that the Senate was drunk and partying when they passed the bill to avoid the fiscal cliff....This is what Obama is dealing with. Over the cliff we go!!!


It was New Year's Eve. Of course there would be a party, but at least the Senate comes across like they're trying to do some work.

By 6 o'clock, Boehner was on a barstool working on his 9th whiskey sour of the day and Cantor was driving around looking for a 16-year old boy, a Reagan mask, and dreaming of things that would give Larry Flynt nightmares.
 
2013-01-01 04:37:38 PM

DamnYankees: Matt Yglesias  @mattyglesias
Senate GOP is lawful evil, House GOP is chaotic evil.


Does this mean that Obama is a Paladin?
 
2013-01-01 04:39:11 PM

kingflower: jocutus: kingflower: Issa on CNN just implied that the Senate was drunk and partying when they passed the bill to avoid the fiscal cliff....This is what Obama is dealing with. Over the cliff we go!!!

Technically we're already over and trying to pull on a parachute, but one of our hands keeps punching us in the face and complaining about how much we're spending on parachutes. It's been that way for 4 years now.

What is the other hand doing? Something involving oil and the anus?


picking out navel lint
 
2013-01-01 04:39:48 PM

stiletto_the_wise: dumbobruni: there are over 3 million unfilled jobs in America, and a bunch of industries ranging from manufacturing to financial services to construction are whining about "skills/staffing shortages".

LOL, how are "unfilled jobs" measured? Counting the number of job postings on companies' web sites and just assuming they're all real positions they're actually hiring for? Or accepting companies' pinky-swear that the shortages they're whining about are real?


BLS looks at open job listings. its actually not 3 million.....its 3.6 million.

however, that may be understated. the IT industry is claiming that 1.7 million jobs in that sector alone are unfilled.

Link
 
2013-01-01 04:42:46 PM

Corvus: There is no deal that the house GOP will like unless it's 100% what they want.


They don't even know what that is or they would have passed their own bill already.
 
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