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(LA Times)   You can no longer openly carry your rifle into a coffee shop in California, and the next illegal alien to run you over might have a legal driver's license. Happy 2013   (timelines.latimes.com ) divider line
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2013-01-01 12:27:17 PM  
8 votes:
It's just amazing how FARK hates cops, has an absolute disdain for the government and yet wants them to be the only people with guns.
2013-01-01 11:28:26 AM  
8 votes:
This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.
2013-01-01 11:33:51 AM  
5 votes:
If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.
2013-01-01 11:26:21 AM  
4 votes:
good
2013-01-01 12:00:06 PM  
3 votes:

thornhill: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?

Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.


Are you one of the idiots that screams about "fair wages" while you support illegal workers supplanting domestic workers and driving down the wages you claim to want to see rise?
2013-01-01 11:59:45 AM  
3 votes:
So, to summarize:

-illegal intruders get more rights, like drivers licenses

-legal citizens get less rights, like more unnecessary restrictions on their gun rights

I really have to wonder whose side the California politicians are on. They smell like traitors to me.
2013-01-01 11:37:22 AM  
3 votes:
Not sure why you need your rifle at Starbucks. Also not bothered by licensed drivers.
2013-01-01 11:37:13 AM  
3 votes:
Again, I'm so glad I don't live in California.

/or New York, Connecticut, or Massachusetts
2013-01-01 11:32:22 AM  
3 votes:
ftfa: "Controversy surrounded the bid to permit perhaps hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants to qualify for state driver's licenses. The new law applies to those given a work permit as part of an Obama administration program that suspends deportation for many people who arrived illegally as children."

How are you still illegal or undocumented if you have a work permit? Seems like that would move you into the documented category.
2013-01-01 11:30:56 AM  
3 votes:
Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.
2013-01-01 01:22:42 PM  
2 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit:

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled
My mom wasn't exactly legal when she came over here from Norway  and I have no idea how she managed to pull it off to stay here, but suspect little fetus me being born on American soil was a big part of it. Same with my Gran just 10 years ago after her stroke, just without the little fetus part. Mom had to hire an immigration lawyer and we all moved in together to care for Gran, but we aren't a drain on society and we make it work. I am from a line of "illegal" aliens who became legal later. In any event, I would love to hear how some of these Christian "build a bigger fence!!!" types are ever going to justify to Jebus (if he ever shows up, which I highly doubt) how a person can be "illegal". I'm pretty sure Jebus didn't have a passport or visa.

/sorry for the rant
//I get cran ...


It's ok. Being from Norway you probably aren't brown.
2013-01-01 12:56:26 PM  
2 votes:

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.


You see a rifle and are intimidated?

s19.postimage.org
2013-01-01 12:54:15 PM  
2 votes:

dave2198: Most Latinos are actually social conservatives. If your party wasn't so inept, they might realize this, and they would stop losing so many elections.


It's funny how few people actually realize this. People loooooooove to preach about the inevitability of our journey towards becoming an increasingly progressive and left-leaning nation. And yet the fastest-growing voter bloc in the nation would be solid Republican voters but for one or two sore issues. Look at anti-gay-marriage measures in California. Why do you think those keep passing in such a "liberal" state? Check the demographics. Social liberals would be wise to realize that they're rapidly being overrun by people who are quite opposed to their values.
2013-01-01 12:21:00 PM  
2 votes:

hasty ambush: tfresh: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

The same thing can be said for the giving of driver's licenses and financial aid to illegal aliens undocumented democrat party voters.

FTFY

we don't need no sticking voter ID.

[www.maniacworld.com image 387x299]


Most Latinos are actually social conservatives. If your party wasn't so inept, they might realize this, and they would stop losing so many elections.
2013-01-01 12:05:23 PM  
2 votes:

Khellendros: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing.

You don't seem to realize that those are the same thing - giving them the ability to get driver's licenses and allowing them access to state tuition rates is helping them to become taxable, legal citizens with useful skills a future, not a burdensome underclass.

Yes, there is a paperwork an citizenship process that needs to be fixed and followed, but that's a minor element to actually creating a productive citizen-bound immigrant population.


There is a huge population of already educated, already skilled, labour that would gladly jump on a plane to live and work in the US. It seems silly to not allow them into the country, but then to let uneducated, unskilled labour who have already broken our laws, a 'fast-track' to establishing a legal residency.

I've got coworkers and friends who've spent years trying to work legally in the US.
2013-01-01 11:48:39 AM  
2 votes:
But I modified my long gun to work as a walking cane. I now have the ADA on my side.:b
2013-01-01 11:48:27 AM  
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.


of course you have proof of this right? I mean, given that you're such an esteemed member of this site and all, surely you would never say something without the evidence to back it up.
2013-01-01 11:46:15 AM  
2 votes:

Tank_Fuzzbutt: We are witnessing the end of the United States as it once was.


The end of what, precisely?
2013-01-01 11:43:14 AM  
2 votes:

generallyso: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

It helps maintain an underclass of people who will work for pennies.


Not true any longer. The mexicans have taken all the blue collar jobs once held by hard working middle class citizens. We are witnessing the end of the United States as it once was.
2013-01-01 11:39:17 AM  
2 votes:

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?


Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?
2013-01-01 11:36:48 AM  
2 votes:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.


The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.
2013-01-01 07:44:15 PM  
1 vote:

r1niceboy: You need a drivers license to buy insurance, so I'm okay with illegal immigrants getting them. But if pointless stances are the only way you get your johnson hard, I'm willing to let the roads be more dangerous. They may take our jerbs, but they'll never take our...


Cops aren't allowed to arrest illegals who have no insurance if they're in LA or SF among other sanctuary cities. They will not buy any.
2013-01-01 06:24:05 PM  
1 vote:
So how long until you need to get a 'permit' to speak your opinions in public, and that permit is issued on a 'case by case' basis by a government body with no appeal process? Sounds crazy, but consider this: California has already done that with the 2nd amendment, so why not do it with the 1st?
2013-01-01 04:06:07 PM  
1 vote:

ElBarto79: way south: ElBarto79: way south: Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.

Have you ever heard of armed robbery? Yes lots of stores have been robbed when there were people with rifles hanging out in the store, usually by the people carrying the rifles.

That's partly why this is such a problem, how are you supposed to tell the "good" guys carting a gun around from the "bad" guys carting guns around? Most people would be quite unsettled if they saw someone walk into a shop with an assault rifle and justifiably so.

[Citation needed]
Especially for the use of rifles in store robberies where the FBI believes its almost always pistols and knives.
Most people, to include cops, would note a difference in the amount of screaming and running between "crook robbing store" and "guy with rifle buying coffee". They could also tell if the customers aren't carrying them in their hands, pointing them at the cashier, having the magazines loaded etc...

/Most perps aren't sitting down for a sip with their weapons leaning against the table.
/the ones robbing the store will make it pretty apparent they're robbing the store.
/question is if they are choosing to rob the same stores as the guys enjoying a cup of joe with their rifles.

You need a citation to prove that assault rifles are used in robberies? You can google it yourself and find plenty of examples.

Even if a gun with no magazine could still have one in the chamber.

If it's legal to stroll into a shop with an assault rifle then a clever criminal could just walk in pretending to be open-carrying. He could hang out until the opportune moment when he whips his gun around and robs the place, or he could just leave if it doesn't feel right. What if 3 guys stroll into a bank with rifles? Ar ...


Yes, I would like a citation for when an assault rifle has been used in a robbery. Because the last incident that comes to mind is the north Hollywood shoot out, and the crooks weren't coy about their true intentions.

It's not like you've got to trick your way into a roadside establishment. People will figure out what's up long before you start swinging the broomstick around, and you aren't going stuff it under your trench coat and slink away from the cops.
Crooks simply aren't big on assault rifles.

The problem I see here is people looking for something to blame and going after what the movies and media suggest is the threat rather than an actual threat.
The big evil .50bmg rifle makes every ban-fans wish list, despite never actually being used in a crime. The black rifle makes the news maybe once a year due to some madman, and now its a threat to every convenience store that was never robbed by one.

Some people fear rifles like others fear dogs, and want every possible control in place despite no real threat existing.
It's an inefficient use of the legislators time. Just tell them to man up.
2013-01-01 03:49:33 PM  
1 vote:

Dante87336: hasty ambush:

If you continue to oveuse and misapply a term it beocmes meaningless.

Yes, like "party of personal responsibility" and "reducing the deficit".


Or being "pro choice" except when it comes to things like schools or gun ownership .

Then there is that whole thing about "change" and "transparency". Of course we cannot forget about "paying their fair share".
2013-01-01 02:29:45 PM  
1 vote:

djkutch: Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.

This. I got hit by an illegal last week. He wanted me to come to his house so he could give me money. I said we had to call the police. He drove off while I took a pic of his license plate.

It's sorely testing me liberalism.


Practical reality will do that.
2013-01-01 02:16:54 PM  
1 vote:

Spartan_Manhandler: Thunderpipes: Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.

You do realize that they still have to take the classes, pass the tests and get insurance, right?


When you say 'have', that implies they 'have' to comply with the law; but *illegal* aliens really don't *have* to comply with the law, as demonstrated by their illegal residency status. I'd imagine if our immigration laws are too difficult that they feel the need to disregard them, they'd likely respond the same way to our driving laws.
2013-01-01 02:11:30 PM  
1 vote:
9 stories before this one tells of a shooting last night in Old Town Sacramento CA. Yea, what honest person needs to to be able to carry a weapon to protect them self????? Also, illigals getting drivers license???? Oh I'm sure they are going right out to buy insurance after they get a drivers license. Getting aid for tuition??? Yep, there goes the money that would have gone for a legal person to use for school. Just don't get some of you people.
2013-01-01 01:47:14 PM  
1 vote:

kombat_unit: vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.

So, you and the democrat legislators that are "intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black" are republicans?


It is amazing that if you oppose anything the left wants to do now its being racist. Oppose tax increases-racist, oppose money for Solyndra, UAW or aboritons-racist. Oppose Obamacare-racist, Oppose gun control-racist.

If you continue to oveuse and misapply a term it beocmes meaningless.
2013-01-01 01:20:30 PM  
1 vote:

Fark_Guy_Rob: JosephFinn: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?

Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?

Overly long? Possibly.
Racist? No.


This.

Best friends wife is australian and white as can be. She has to go through the same 3-5 year bs that all those brown people do.
2013-01-01 12:53:00 PM  
1 vote:
Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?

Is there a problem with having a rifle at a coffee shop? Are people being accidentally injured by rifles in coffee shops?

If someone wants to go on a shooting spree in a coffee shop, how useful will a rule against it be? Hint: Gun Free Zone rules at Sandy Hook were not only useless, but contributed to the disaster.

So if the rule is going to be useless, ineffective, and possibly harmful, WHY BOTHER WITH IT??

/why do we need Fark?
//why do we need beer, boobies, bacon?
///there should be valid, demonstrated, justifiable REASONS for banning ANYTHING
2013-01-01 12:51:36 PM  
1 vote:

Champion of the Sun: We have it both ways right now and it kinda works for us white people. They pay FICA on fake SSNs and plenty of sales and use taxes. If we could figure out how to keep them out of the ERs we could fully exploit them for maximum gain. And we couldn't afford to have them do all the shiat work if we paid them like they were citizens. I support amnesty and looser borders in theory, but it seems like it's not gonna work in practice.


About that:

Illegal alien households are estimated to use $2,700 a year more in services than they pay in taxes, creating a total fiscal burden of nearly $10.4 billion on the federal budget in 2002.

Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual fiscal deficit at the federal level would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total federal deficit of $29 billion.

With nearly two-third of illegals lacking a high school diploma, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments not their legal status or their unwillingness to work.
Link
2013-01-01 12:45:41 PM  
1 vote:

JosephFinn: Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


Oh look, a liar. Marked as such.

JosephFinn: Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


I know, I hate processes that are inconveniently long! Like filing taxes - so much work! And the follow-up checks, requests for further documentation, etc - it took me almost 5 months to get my refund last year! And those liars kept saying that it was because they were "dealing with enormous numbers of people" and "plagued by fraud." What racists! Sounds like I'd be justified in just "bypassing" that whole "paying taxes" process, because what a pain!
2013-01-01 12:34:33 PM  
1 vote:
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
― Tacitus, The Annals of Imperial Rome


"Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I would." (John Adams, Boston Gazette, Sept. 5, 1763, reprinted in The Works of John Adams 438 [Charles F. Adams ed., 1851])

"Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self-defense." , (John AdamsA Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America [1787-1788])
2013-01-01 12:30:47 PM  
1 vote:
Inability to operate a motor vehicle safely should be the only reason to deny a drivers license. Citizenship is irrelevant to driving.
2013-01-01 12:30:36 PM  
1 vote:

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


It's called "Buying the Liberal Vote with tax money".
2013-01-01 12:29:14 PM  
1 vote:

taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.


Up here in Washington, we had a couple texting accidents last year. But we also had an exponentially higher rate of illegal aliens who crashed and were either DUI and killed someone; or didn't care/didn't know about the laws and Hit and Run. Give me the texting bimbo any day.
2013-01-01 12:28:31 PM  
1 vote:

thornhill: Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.


We have it both ways right now and it kinda works for us white people. They pay FICA on fake SSNs and plenty of sales and use taxes. If we could figure out how to keep them out of the ERs we could fully exploit them for maximum gain. And we couldn't afford to have them do all the shiat work if we paid them like they were citizens. I support amnesty and looser borders in theory, but it seems like it's not gonna work in practice.

remus: Ask Greece about that... You do *KNOW* that there is a limit to just how deep they can run in the red and for how long? Creditors have this crazy idea that they should eventually be paid. They also have these odd concepts of not giving more money to a debtor that is already so deep and shows no possible way they can repay. You do know this, right?

Yes, Governments can run in the red. You are right. There are limits to that, however. You can't just continue heaping more on the debt pile forever and letting it grow more and more. At some point, the bill comes due. No government can let their debt spiral out of control. At some point, they have to take responsibility and act like adults. They may have to cut things to reduce expenses. They may have to increase revenue where possible. But, they certainly can't just irresponsibly add huge expenses to their rolls when they are already teetering on the edge of a cliff.



The interest rate on US debt shows how much faith our creditors have in us paying it. Apparently they have a ton of faith in us. So although you're technically correct, the best kind of correct, your chicken little attitude and lack of basic economic understanding doesn't add to the conversation.
2013-01-01 12:20:42 PM  
1 vote:

djkutch: Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.

This. I got hit by an illegal last week. He wanted me to come to his house so he could give me money. I said we had to call the police. He drove off while I took a pic of his license plate.

It's sorely testing me liberalism.


I know someone something similar happened to. Farm workers with a truckload of friends pulled out onto the highway right in front of her. The workers get out of the truck and the driver takes off running and was never found. Her car was totaled and her leg broken. Before the police arrive another car pulls up and the rest of the truck passengers leave. The farm they were leaving from had no documents for the workers and no contacts. The only thing they find out was that they were leaving to go get more beer for the party.

So friend is sidelined with a young kid and an infant while not able to work because she has a broken leg and no car. But yea, I'm sure the guy fled because he had no driver's license. He totally would have stayed and accepted the financial responsibility if he had proper documentation.
2013-01-01 12:12:53 PM  
1 vote:

tfresh: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

The same thing can be said for the giving of driver's licenses and financial aid to illegal aliens undocumented democrat party voters.


FTFY

we don't need no sticking voter ID.

www.maniacworld.com
2013-01-01 12:10:05 PM  
1 vote:

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


The thing is, most of them do pay taxes already. They simply do not file tax returns to get a refund. I know what a fake green  card looks like, but many employers do not,  so it's not like they can't easily find crappy jobs. It's not like the employer is going to pay to check the thumb print anyway. So the immigrants pay into the system, go to work every day at jobs a lot of Americans won't work, then just let it go if they didn't claim exempt on their W4. One of the first steps to get  citizenship under an amnesty program is to file a tax return. You're giving yourself legitimacy to a certain extent when  you file.

My mom wasn't exactly legal when she came over here from Norway  and I have no idea how she managed to pull it off to stay here, but suspect little fetus me being born on American soil was a big part of it. Same with my Gran just 10 years ago after her stroke, just without the little fetus part. Mom had to hire an immigration lawyer and we all moved in together to care for Gran, but we aren't a drain on society and we make it work. I am from a line of "illegal" aliens who became legal later. In any event, I would love to hear how some of these Christian "build a bigger fence!!!" types are ever going to justify to Jebus (if he ever shows up, which I highly doubt) how a person can be "illegal". I'm pretty sure Jebus didn't have a passport or visa.

/sorry for the rant
//I get cranky about things like this, obviously
///"anchor baby" is just another word for "American"
2013-01-01 12:09:44 PM  
1 vote:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.


You sound like a non-tax payer
2013-01-01 12:01:47 PM  
1 vote:

JosephFinn: Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.

You do know the difference between a government and a business, right? Governments can run in the red.


Ask Greece about that... You do *KNOW* that there is a limit to just how deep they can run in the red and for how long? Creditors have this crazy idea that they should eventually be paid. They also have these odd concepts of not giving more money to a debtor that is already so deep and shows no possible way they can repay. You do know this, right?

Yes, Governments can run in the red. You are right. There are limits to that, however. You can't just continue heaping more on the debt pile forever and letting it grow more and more. At some point, the bill comes due. No government can let their debt spiral out of control.  At some point, they have to take responsibility and act like adults. They may have to cut things to reduce expenses. They may have to increase revenue where possible. But, they certainly can't just irresponsibly add huge expenses to their rolls when they are already teetering on the edge of a cliff.
2013-01-01 11:56:06 AM  
1 vote:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: david_gaithersburg: So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.

Nah. We get this weird thing where we will usually (but not always) elect either a Republican governor and a Democratic state legislature or the other way 'round, so nothing really gets done. This means we voters say things like "What? A new law about being nice to chickens that will cost us elebentygazillion dollars in ten years? I'm so totally gonna vote for that, dudes!" and then the legislature gets nothing done, then the bonds for transportation projects have to be paid off, then the folks down in places like San Diego get their panties in a wad over taxes... you can see where that one is going. Add to that hot mess the fact we're a donor state - we pay more to the feds as a state than we get in things like federal highway funds, just so places like  Mississippi, which is considered a welfare state as they are poor bastids, can get their roads paved, and we're pretty much screwed.

I'm OK with illegal aliens getting driver's licenses and highly approve of this. You need to have a license to get auto insurance, and if I'm peacefully skating up the street and someone nails me with their car, someone's going to have to pay that hospital bill, if I survive. I hope they have  insurance and since our migrant farm workers drive whether they have a license or not, give them the damn license so I can have my medical bills paid.  The long  rifle thing though? I have frequently had the urge to take a rifle with me to Starbucks, I've just never done it. That's why I usually go to Peet's Coffee and Tea instead.

/Barnes and  Noble has a Starbucks in it, so it's hard to avoid the place while book shopping sometimes


what kind of delusional mind thinks someone who is hiding is going to expose themselves and voluntarily pay money when they can simply ignore the laws and know that they will face zero enforcement?
2013-01-01 11:53:16 AM  
1 vote:

Dante87336: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?

Because people may have started to realize that this is not a problem that can be solved with "deport everyone" and has more grey areas like "illegal immigrant that was brought here as a child with no real understanding of what the implications are".

We might actually be approaching a real compromise to the problem, but not without one or two great derps to come out of it. And those derps shall be great and terrible.


It just seems crazy, either get these individuals documented and legal, whether it's short term, long term or permanent, or don't and get rid of them.

It all seems an effort to side step the real issue of the immigration policy.

It's like fat chicks buying themselves new earrings that they think make them look slimmer. No, you're still fat, address your diet and exercise, and stop the run around.

I can understand the problem more than many probably can. I'm an American by birth, but have gone through immigration/documentation twice for two several year stints elsewhere for work. The first place, someone messed up my paperwork, and I was told to either leave (I had already been there 1.5 years) or face deportation. Second one went smoother, and only recently ended, but the anxiety over the situation sucked. I'm not going to do that again, and my empathy goes out for for those who have to do it, or live in similar (or worse) circumstances.
2013-01-01 11:48:52 AM  
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TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.
2013-01-01 11:46:29 AM  
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david_gaithersburg: So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.


Nah. We get this weird thing where we will usually (but not always) elect either a Republican governor and a Democratic state legislature or the other way 'round, so nothing really gets done. This means we voters say things like "What? A new law about being nice to chickens that will cost us elebentygazillion dollars in ten years? I'm so totally gonna vote for that, dudes!" and then the legislature gets nothing done, then the bonds for transportation projects have to be paid off, then the folks down in places like San Diego get their panties in a wad over taxes... you can see where that one is going. Add to that hot mess the fact we're a donor state - we pay more to the feds as a state than we get in things like federal highway funds, just so places like  Mississippi, which is considered a welfare state as they are poor bastids, can get their roads paved, and we're pretty much screwed.

I'm OK with illegal aliens getting driver's licenses and highly approve of this. You need to have a license to get auto insurance, and if I'm peacefully skating up the street and someone nails me with their car, someone's going to have to pay that hospital bill, if I survive. I hope they have  insurance and since our migrant farm workers drive whether they have a license or not, give them the damn license so I can have my medical bills paid.  The long  rifle thing though? I have frequently had the urge to take a rifle with me to Starbucks, I've just never done it. That's why I usually go to Peet's Coffee and Tea instead.

/Barnes and  Noble has a Starbucks in it, so it's hard to avoid the place while book shopping sometimes
2013-01-01 11:42:24 AM  
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JosephFinn: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?

Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


Overly long? Possibly.
Racist? No.
2013-01-01 11:41:48 AM  
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taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.


Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.
2013-01-01 11:38:53 AM  
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TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.


It helps maintain an underclass of people who will work for pennies.
2013-01-01 11:36:18 AM  
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Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?
2013-01-01 11:35:35 AM  
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/CA resident
2013-01-01 11:33:18 AM  
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Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.
 
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