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(LA Times)   You can no longer openly carry your rifle into a coffee shop in California, and the next illegal alien to run you over might have a legal driver's license. Happy 2013   (timelines.latimes.com) divider line 177
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2013-01-01 01:22:42 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit:

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled
My mom wasn't exactly legal when she came over here from Norway  and I have no idea how she managed to pull it off to stay here, but suspect little fetus me being born on American soil was a big part of it. Same with my Gran just 10 years ago after her stroke, just without the little fetus part. Mom had to hire an immigration lawyer and we all moved in together to care for Gran, but we aren't a drain on society and we make it work. I am from a line of "illegal" aliens who became legal later. In any event, I would love to hear how some of these Christian "build a bigger fence!!!" types are ever going to justify to Jebus (if he ever shows up, which I highly doubt) how a person can be "illegal". I'm pretty sure Jebus didn't have a passport or visa.

/sorry for the rant
//I get cran ...


It's ok. Being from Norway you probably aren't brown.
 
2013-01-01 01:27:09 PM

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society. What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked. Nice job.


Its not a privilege......its a HUMAN RIGHT.
 
2013-01-01 01:33:58 PM
Is it the Librul Media photographers or just me?  I never seem to see anyone other than overweight white guys in the picture in these news pieces.

I'd also like to know what Freud would think about this whole thing.
 
2013-01-01 01:34:51 PM
What's the point of openly carrying a firearm? You're just telling everyone "Hey, I'm an asshole with a gun and not afraid to show it off." And it's a good way to guarantee you'll get shot first or get your gun grabbed.
 
2013-01-01 01:40:50 PM

vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.


"What's 18 inches long, black, and makes white women scream all night long?"

Crib death.
 
2013-01-01 01:47:14 PM

kombat_unit: vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.

So, you and the democrat legislators that are "intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black" are republicans?


It is amazing that if you oppose anything the left wants to do now its being racist. Oppose tax increases-racist, oppose money for Solyndra, UAW or aboritons-racist. Oppose Obamacare-racist, Oppose gun control-racist.

If you continue to oveuse and misapply a term it beocmes meaningless.
 
2013-01-01 01:58:11 PM

way south: Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.


Have you ever heard of armed robbery? Yes lots of stores have been robbed when there were people with rifles hanging out in the store, usually by the people carrying the rifles.

That's partly why this is such a problem, how are you supposed to tell the "good" guys carting a gun around from the "bad" guys carting guns around? Most people would be quite unsettled if they saw someone walk into a shop with an assault rifle and justifiably so.
 
2013-01-01 02:00:49 PM

hasty ambush:

If you continue to oveuse and misapply a term it beocmes meaningless.


Yes, like "party of personal responsibility" and "reducing the deficit".
 
2013-01-01 02:05:23 PM

Jarhead_h: [www.opencarry.org image 500x358]


Texas and New York State both are equally restrictive on guns? I'm surprised.

Or that chart is ... something.
 
2013-01-01 02:07:50 PM

Thunderpipes: Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.


You do realize that they still have to take the classes, pass the tests and get insurance, right?
 
2013-01-01 02:10:24 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.

Yes, this all boils down to "my side vs. your side." The world we live in is a zero-sum game. Thanks for reminding me that "conservatives" don't have a habit of oversimplifying things.

Autoerotic asphyxiation? How does that even come into this discussion. Sounds like someone has pent up sexual issues. Whatever it is you're hiding deep within yourself, just admit it, you'll feel better.

Dr. Goldshnoz: You apparently got what you want and yet you sound so buttfrustrated.

No idea where you even came up with that. Keep gnashing those teeth.

Buttfrustrated? Sounds like another conservative who can't admit something to themselves. Just admit it, you'll feel better.


actually with our latest obsession with the "fiscal cliff" I can see how autoerotic asphyxiation is an apt comparison. Quite frankly with the debt to GDP ratio we are approaching I don't see how a default is avoidable when the majority of the US budget will be earmarked for interest payments alone. I understand "both sides are bad" and we often vote and support the lesser of two evils, but the wide approval ratings the President has, matching very closely to everyone who voted for him, I dont see how anyone who voted for him as any ground to stand on when the dollar collapses. And it will.
 
2013-01-01 02:11:30 PM
9 stories before this one tells of a shooting last night in Old Town Sacramento CA. Yea, what honest person needs to to be able to carry a weapon to protect them self????? Also, illigals getting drivers license???? Oh I'm sure they are going right out to buy insurance after they get a drivers license. Getting aid for tuition??? Yep, there goes the money that would have gone for a legal person to use for school. Just don't get some of you people.
 
2013-01-01 02:14:40 PM
Makes sense. Cali is the state with the most subhuman mongrels next to Jew York.
 
2013-01-01 02:16:54 PM

Spartan_Manhandler: Thunderpipes: Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.

You do realize that they still have to take the classes, pass the tests and get insurance, right?


When you say 'have', that implies they 'have' to comply with the law; but *illegal* aliens really don't *have* to comply with the law, as demonstrated by their illegal residency status. I'd imagine if our immigration laws are too difficult that they feel the need to disregard them, they'd likely respond the same way to our driving laws.
 
2013-01-01 02:21:27 PM

hasty ambush: kombat_unit: vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.

So, you and the democrat legislators that are "intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black" are republicans?

It is amazing that if you oppose anything the left wants to do now its being racist. Oppose tax increases-racist, oppose money for Solyndra, UAW or aboritons-racist. Oppose Obamacare-racist, Oppose gun control-racist.

If you continue to oveuse and misapply a term it beocmes meaningless.


I didn't call him racist, I implied his penis was tiny.
 
2013-01-01 02:21:50 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: JosephFinn: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?

Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?

Overly long? Possibly.
Racist? No.


Nothing inherently racist in setting quotas from different parts of the world, eh?

/yeah there is
//that's the definition of institutional racism
 
2013-01-01 02:24:52 PM

taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.


This.

Tell that teenage girl to put her foot down. 80 is too damn slow!

/usually drive the 210 from the 5 to Pasadena
//YMMV, but it's always a nice open drive for me.
 
2013-01-01 02:28:08 PM

kendelrio: Real Women Drink Akvavit:

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled
My mom wasn't exactly legal when she came over here from Norway  and I have no idea how she managed to pull it off to stay here, but suspect little fetus me being born on American soil was a big part of it. Same with my Gran just 10 years ago after her stroke, just without the little fetus part. Mom had to hire an immigration lawyer and we all moved in together to care for Gran, but we aren't a drain on society and we make it work. I am from a line of "illegal" aliens who became legal later. In any event, I would love to hear how some of these Christian "build a bigger fence!!!" types are ever going to justify to Jebus (if he ever shows up, which I highly doubt) how a person can be "illegal". I'm pretty sure Jebus didn't have a passport or visa.

/sorry for the rant
//I get cran ...

It's ok. Being from Norway you probably aren't brown.


Sadly enough, that thought has crossed my mind more than once.
 
2013-01-01 02:29:04 PM

ElBarto79: way south: Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.

Have you ever heard of armed robbery? Yes lots of stores have been robbed when there were people with rifles hanging out in the store, usually by the people carrying the rifles.

That's partly why this is such a problem, how are you supposed to tell the "good" guys carting a gun around from the "bad" guys carting guns around? Most people would be quite unsettled if they saw someone walk into a shop with an assault rifle and justifiably so.


[Citation needed]
Especially for the use of rifles in store robberies where the FBI believes its almost always pistols and knives.
Most people, to include cops, would note a difference in the amount of screaming and running between "crook robbing store" and "guy with rifle buying coffee". They could also tell if the customers aren't carrying them in their hands, pointing them at the cashier, having the magazines loaded etc...

/Most perps aren't sitting down for a sip with their weapons leaning against the table.
/the ones robbing the store will make it pretty apparent they're robbing the store.
/question is if they are choosing to rob the same stores as the guys enjoying a cup of joe with their rifles.
 
2013-01-01 02:29:45 PM

djkutch: Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.

This. I got hit by an illegal last week. He wanted me to come to his house so he could give me money. I said we had to call the police. He drove off while I took a pic of his license plate.

It's sorely testing me liberalism.


Practical reality will do that.
 
2013-01-01 02:37:00 PM

homelessdude: The Alamo Cafe in Alamo CA
(better link)


Dude! I had totally forgotten about that place!
 
2013-01-01 02:38:11 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: how a person can be "illegal"


This is overwrought.  It's not like referees are going to hell for saying "Illegal man downfield."
 
2013-01-01 02:50:24 PM
The west once allowed open carry, but people didn't like living that way so they outlawed it. So what's the excuse to overturn those laws? Because I want to? Not a good enough reason. And the second amendment doesn't ban outright restrictions on open carry, so don't bring it up. America had experience with open carry and it wasn't a good way to run society. It's not the wild west anymore
 
2013-01-01 02:55:49 PM

hundreddollarman: What's the point of openly carrying a firearm? You're just telling everyone "Hey, I'm an asshole with a gun and not afraid to show it off." And it's a good way to guarantee you'll get shot first or get your gun grabbed.


I feel the same way about jewelry or high-end electronics.

Let's ban them.
 
2013-01-01 02:56:17 PM

StopLurkListen: Jarhead_h: [www.opencarry.org image 500x358]

Texas and New York State both are equally restrictive on guns? I'm surprised.

Or that chart is ... something.


They are equally restrictive on carry. They differ in all kinds of ways. There's something like 30,000 firearms laws between the Federal government , states and counties and municipalities. It's almost as bad as alcohol.
 
2013-01-01 03:02:50 PM

hasty ambush: "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
― Tacitus, The Annals of Imperial Rome


Nice koan. Not true, but a nice koan.

"Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I would." (John Adams, Boston Gazette, Sept. 5, 1763, reprinted in The Works of John Adams 438 [Charles F. Adams ed., 1851])

The right to self-defense is universally recognized. Use of deadly force to protect mere property? That's debatable. Wait. He didn't talk about deadly force.

"Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self-defense." , (John AdamsA Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America [1787-1788])

Again, fine. That doesn't mean you're allowed to bring a rifle onto my property or into my coffee shop. No, you can't carry that around in public, either. Take that glaive home, too.

FFCRASH9: 9 stories before this one tells of a shooting last night in Old Town Sacramento CA. Yea, what honest person needs to to be able to carry a weapon to protect them self?


I'm sure the two innocent bystanders who were shot would not be wearing bullet holes if they'd been carrying firearms.
Are you really that asinine or are you just portraying a potato on Fark?
 
2013-01-01 03:05:34 PM
Thank goodness. Now all those people who weren't hurting anybody are... well, farkum, right?
 
2013-01-01 03:05:35 PM
Watch wages remain stagnant and ask why. Dumb liberals.
 
2013-01-01 03:06:26 PM

way south: ElBarto79: way south: Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.

Have you ever heard of armed robbery? Yes lots of stores have been robbed when there were people with rifles hanging out in the store, usually by the people carrying the rifles.

That's partly why this is such a problem, how are you supposed to tell the "good" guys carting a gun around from the "bad" guys carting guns around? Most people would be quite unsettled if they saw someone walk into a shop with an assault rifle and justifiably so.

[Citation needed]
Especially for the use of rifles in store robberies where the FBI believes its almost always pistols and knives.
Most people, to include cops, would note a difference in the amount of screaming and running between "crook robbing store" and "guy with rifle buying coffee". They could also tell if the customers aren't carrying them in their hands, pointing them at the cashier, having the magazines loaded etc...

/Most perps aren't sitting down for a sip with their weapons leaning against the table.
/the ones robbing the store will make it pretty apparent they're robbing the store.
/question is if they are choosing to rob the same stores as the guys enjoying a cup of joe with their rifles.


You need a citation to prove that assault rifles are used in robberies? You can google it yourself and find plenty of examples.

Even if a gun with no magazine could still have one in the chamber.

If it's legal to stroll into a shop with an assault rifle then a clever criminal could just walk in pretending to be open-carrying. He could hang out until the opportune moment when he whips his gun around and robs the place, or he could just leave if it doesn't feel right. What if 3 guys stroll into a bank with rifles? Are they getting ready to rob the place or are they just there to deposit some checks? What if it's snowing outside and they all happen to be wearing facemasks? It's not illegal to wear a mask, and it's not illegal to have a gun, so what do we do? Nothing? And just hope they aren't preparing to rob the place?

This is not the kind of community *most* people want to live in and this is not the kind of thought process *most* of us want to have to go through when we're simply trying to go about our business and live our lives. The only people that favor this kind of society are the gun nuts who have watched too many Schwarzeneggar movies and fancy themselves to be some kind of hero, when in actuality most of them would probably poop their pants if they were in a real shootout.
 
2013-01-01 03:08:05 PM
I propose a compromise.

Let's allow the brandishing of rifles in public, but only for the purpose of intimidating businesses into not hiring undocumented workers.

That would solve both problems real quick. (Unless you're one of the folks who believe that people are risking their lives to smuggle their kids into East LA's public schools.)
 
2013-01-01 03:09:14 PM

Orgasmatron138: Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?


Why in the frak would you need an armed guard at an elementary school?
 
2013-01-01 03:19:03 PM

GORDON: Orgasmatron138: Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?

Why in the frak would you need an armed guard at an elementary school?


Note that the rifle at a coffee shop had to be unloaded even before the more recent ban.
 
2013-01-01 03:22:08 PM

Champion of the Sun: The west once allowed open carry, but people didn't like living that way so they outlawed it. So what's the excuse to overturn those laws? Because I want to? Not a good enough reason. And the second amendment doesn't ban outright restrictions on open carry, so don't bring it up. America had experience with open carry and it wasn't a good way to run society. It's not the wild west anymore


There were some open carry restrictions in colonial times, too, not just in the West.

It should be noted that even in VA, home of the NRA, you can't open carry a loaded longarm.
 
2013-01-01 03:30:58 PM

Xythero: ftfa: "Controversy surrounded the bid to permit perhaps hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants to qualify for state driver's licenses. The new law applies to those given a work permit as part of an Obama administration program that suspends deportation for many people who arrived illegally as children."

How are you still illegal or undocumented if you have a work permit? Seems like that would move you into the documented category.



Obama is dictator, that's how.

/Suck it, legislative branch
 
2013-01-01 03:40:43 PM

Thunderpipes: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.


I imagine they would. Have you ever tried to use a texting teen to beat someone to death?
 
2013-01-01 03:48:55 PM
Geez, can't carry firearms in the open anymore? Time to get a concealed handgun permit. A gal I know who manages a bike shop, she has a velcro holder on her backpack, and rides with her pistol in the open. She tells me it cuts down on driver anti social behavior. Hmmm, I don't know about that.
Insofar as insurance goes for illegals, I'm all for it.Drivers licenses, not so much.
In state tuition? My son wanted to go to U.T. Austin, but he'd have to pay out of state tuition (about 3x more than in state), whereas someone who just came over in a turnip truck from XXX country only has to pay in state tuition). The law should stipulate " You can't pay, you can't stay". I paid for my own Acreditted science degree, they can do the same. So what if they have to work 3 jobs? It's not a right, but a priviledge. How many generations of Americans before have worked hard, to realize the dream of a college education?
There are too many "Bullshiat" laws out there. Pretty soon it'll get to the point you can't run someone down in a Walmart parking lot.
i1.kym-cdn.com

/*sigh*
 
2013-01-01 03:49:33 PM

Dante87336: hasty ambush:

If you continue to oveuse and misapply a term it beocmes meaningless.

Yes, like "party of personal responsibility" and "reducing the deficit".


Or being "pro choice" except when it comes to things like schools or gun ownership .

Then there is that whole thing about "change" and "transparency". Of course we cannot forget about "paying their fair share".
 
2013-01-01 03:52:12 PM

clowncar on fire: Thunderpipes: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.

I imagine they would. Have you ever tried to use a texting teen to beat someone to death?


Or is it: Given the choice between killing Californians or killing texting teens using a car as a weapon, illegal aliens prefer killing Californians. I always figured givien a choice, killing a texting teen would be the obvious choice but apparently Californians get under car driving illegal alien populace a bit more.
 
2013-01-01 03:59:37 PM

Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.


Well, I'm sure we could quickly retire all that debt by having people bring rifles into coffee shops.
 
2013-01-01 04:05:35 PM

Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.


And how will allowing people to carry guns into coffee shops fix the debt?
 
2013-01-01 04:06:07 PM

ElBarto79: way south: ElBarto79: way south: Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.

Have you ever heard of armed robbery? Yes lots of stores have been robbed when there were people with rifles hanging out in the store, usually by the people carrying the rifles.

That's partly why this is such a problem, how are you supposed to tell the "good" guys carting a gun around from the "bad" guys carting guns around? Most people would be quite unsettled if they saw someone walk into a shop with an assault rifle and justifiably so.

[Citation needed]
Especially for the use of rifles in store robberies where the FBI believes its almost always pistols and knives.
Most people, to include cops, would note a difference in the amount of screaming and running between "crook robbing store" and "guy with rifle buying coffee". They could also tell if the customers aren't carrying them in their hands, pointing them at the cashier, having the magazines loaded etc...

/Most perps aren't sitting down for a sip with their weapons leaning against the table.
/the ones robbing the store will make it pretty apparent they're robbing the store.
/question is if they are choosing to rob the same stores as the guys enjoying a cup of joe with their rifles.

You need a citation to prove that assault rifles are used in robberies? You can google it yourself and find plenty of examples.

Even if a gun with no magazine could still have one in the chamber.

If it's legal to stroll into a shop with an assault rifle then a clever criminal could just walk in pretending to be open-carrying. He could hang out until the opportune moment when he whips his gun around and robs the place, or he could just leave if it doesn't feel right. What if 3 guys stroll into a bank with rifles? Ar ...


Yes, I would like a citation for when an assault rifle has been used in a robbery. Because the last incident that comes to mind is the north Hollywood shoot out, and the crooks weren't coy about their true intentions.

It's not like you've got to trick your way into a roadside establishment. People will figure out what's up long before you start swinging the broomstick around, and you aren't going stuff it under your trench coat and slink away from the cops.
Crooks simply aren't big on assault rifles.

The problem I see here is people looking for something to blame and going after what the movies and media suggest is the threat rather than an actual threat.
The big evil .50bmg rifle makes every ban-fans wish list, despite never actually being used in a crime. The black rifle makes the news maybe once a year due to some madman, and now its a threat to every convenience store that was never robbed by one.

Some people fear rifles like others fear dogs, and want every possible control in place despite no real threat existing.
It's an inefficient use of the legislators time. Just tell them to man up.
 
2013-01-01 04:07:15 PM

Ex-Texan: Geez, can't carry firearms in the open anymore? Time to get a concealed handgun permit. A gal I know who manages a bike shop, she has a velcro holder on her backpack, and rides with her pistol in the open. She tells me it cuts down on driver anti social behavior. Hmmm, I don't know about that.


I don't know about that either. I mean, a car can still plow her under from behind if the driver is crazed enough, and how will her gun strapped to her backpack do anything other than get plowed under too?
 
2013-01-01 04:12:14 PM

Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.


nothing was ever stopping illegal aliens from getting insurance. you don't need a license to insure a car. never have needed one.
they don't get it because they are in large part a bunch of poor people from third world hell holes.
they still won't get insurance.
and you need to rethink your idea that importing a couple million poor workers a year to compete with our own poor is the way to prosperity in general.
 
2013-01-01 04:12:49 PM

r1niceboy: You need a drivers license to buy insurance, so I'm okay with illegal immigrants getting them. But if pointless stances are the only way you get your johnson hard, I'm willing to let the roads be more dangerous. They may take our jerbs, but they'll never take our...


Yup, the problem in California hasn't been that "oh noes illegals dunno how to drive as gud as 'mericans!" it's been, that they don't have any damn insurance. What this means is that out of all the illegals that were not insured before (which would be about 100% of them) some of them will now be insured. Hurrah.

On the flip side, I lived in CA for 10 years and had been rear-ended twice. Both by soccer moms in SUV's at a red light who rolled into me because they turned around to smack one of their crotchfruit for acting up.
 
2013-01-01 04:15:58 PM
Krieghund: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

This.

Tell that teenage girl to put her foot down. 80 is too damn slow!

/usually drive the 210 from the 5 to Pasadena
//YMMV, but it's always a nice open drive for me.


You're not one of the idiots who drive 75 mph or faster in the #4 lane? You're making merging onto the 210 East from Pennsylvania dangerous and impossible...
 
2013-01-01 04:36:40 PM

way south: Yes, I would like a citation for when an assault rifle has been used in a robbery. Because the last incident that comes to mind is the north Hollywood shoot out, and the crooks weren't coy about their true intentions.


Yours' is kind of the typical republican jam your head in the sand approach; the only way to continue with a flawed argument is to intentionally avoid learning any of the facts surrounding it.

Two Men Sentenced After Robbery With Assault Rifle
Man charged in robbery involving assault rifle
Robbers use skeleton masks, assault rifle
Man, 26, accused of brandishing assault weapon during robbery
Men rob Hall County bank with assault rifle
Detroit AK-47 Robbery Could Be Linked To Previous Gas Station Hold-Ups
Two suspects sought in Newport bank robbery
These are just a few of the first results to pop up in a 2 minute google search.
 
2013-01-01 04:39:02 PM

hasty ambush: Or being "pro choice" except when it comes to things like schools or gun ownership .


Pro-choice refers only to abortion. But it figures that someone like you would interpret it to mean, "Hey, this means that I get to do anything I want, all the time, and fark everybody else!" Because that's how people like you think.

"Government out of our lives" on the other hand, means--well, that covers just about everything, doesn't it? Except for when they want the government in our lives to stop abortions, gay marriage, pot-smoking, or whatever else the morality police don't approve of. All those things, BTW, have an impact on individual lives and almost none on the people who choose not to do them. Is that how high-powered weapons in the hands of nutcases work, too?
 
2013-01-01 04:40:35 PM

cryinoutloud: hasty ambush: Or being "pro choice" except when it comes to things like schools or gun ownership .

Pro-choice refers only to abortion. But it figures that someone like you would interpret it to mean, "Hey, this means that I get to do anything I want, all the time, and fark everybody else!" Because that's how people like you think.

"Government out of our lives" on the other hand, means--well, that covers just about everything, doesn't it? Except for when they want the government in our lives to stop abortions, gay marriage, pot-smoking, or whatever else the morality police don't approve of. All those things, BTW, have an impact on individual lives and almost none on the people who choose not to do them. Is that how high-powered weapons in the hands of nutcases work, too?


what about keyboard cat??
 
2013-01-01 04:41:29 PM

cryinoutloud: Pro-choice refers only to abortion.


And pro-life refers only to abortion.
 
2013-01-01 04:43:41 PM

relcec: Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.

nothing was ever stopping illegal aliens from getting insurance. you don't need a license to insure a car. never have needed one.
they don't get it because they are in large part a bunch of poor people from third world hell holes.
they still won't get insurance.
and you need to rethink your idea that importing a couple million poor workers a year to compete with our own poor is the way to prosperity in general.


I haven't checked my policy in a while, but I'm pretty sure you have to be a licensed driver to get coverage.
 
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