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(LA Times)   You can no longer openly carry your rifle into a coffee shop in California, and the next illegal alien to run you over might have a legal driver's license. Happy 2013   (timelines.latimes.com) divider line 177
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2013-01-01 12:01:47 PM  

JosephFinn: Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.

You do know the difference between a government and a business, right? Governments can run in the red.


Ask Greece about that... You do *KNOW* that there is a limit to just how deep they can run in the red and for how long? Creditors have this crazy idea that they should eventually be paid. They also have these odd concepts of not giving more money to a debtor that is already so deep and shows no possible way they can repay. You do know this, right?

Yes, Governments can run in the red. You are right. There are limits to that, however. You can't just continue heaping more on the debt pile forever and letting it grow more and more. At some point, the bill comes due. No government can let their debt spiral out of control.  At some point, they have to take responsibility and act like adults. They may have to cut things to reduce expenses. They may have to increase revenue where possible. But, they certainly can't just irresponsibly add huge expenses to their rolls when they are already teetering on the edge of a cliff.
 
2013-01-01 12:03:46 PM  
I got buddies who died face down in the muck so that you and I could enjoy this family restaurant. So I'm drinking my coffee.
 
2013-01-01 12:05:04 PM  

Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.


This. I got hit by an illegal last week. He wanted me to come to his house so he could give me money. I said we had to call the police. He drove off while I took a pic of his license plate.

It's sorely testing me liberalism.
 
2013-01-01 12:05:23 PM  

Khellendros: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing.

You don't seem to realize that those are the same thing - giving them the ability to get driver's licenses and allowing them access to state tuition rates is helping them to become taxable, legal citizens with useful skills a future, not a burdensome underclass.

Yes, there is a paperwork an citizenship process that needs to be fixed and followed, but that's a minor element to actually creating a productive citizen-bound immigrant population.


There is a huge population of already educated, already skilled, labour that would gladly jump on a plane to live and work in the US. It seems silly to not allow them into the country, but then to let uneducated, unskilled labour who have already broken our laws, a 'fast-track' to establishing a legal residency.

I've got coworkers and friends who've spent years trying to work legally in the US.
 
2013-01-01 12:08:19 PM  

stirfrybry: thornhill: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?

Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.

Are you one of the idiots that screams about "fair wages" while you support illegal workers supplanting domestic workers and driving down the wages you claim to want to see rise?


Except they're not supplanting any domestic workers. The reason that they dominate these low skill manual labor jobs is because Americans' unwillingness to do these jobs has left a total vacuum.

In Southern states the anti-immigration laws have scared off immigrant workers. Because no Americans are lining up to take these jobs and their is such a huge labor shortage, states like Georgia are sending criminals on probation to work in the field.
 
2013-01-01 12:09:44 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.


You sound like a non-tax payer
 
2013-01-01 12:10:05 PM  

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


The thing is, most of them do pay taxes already. They simply do not file tax returns to get a refund. I know what a fake green  card looks like, but many employers do not,  so it's not like they can't easily find crappy jobs. It's not like the employer is going to pay to check the thumb print anyway. So the immigrants pay into the system, go to work every day at jobs a lot of Americans won't work, then just let it go if they didn't claim exempt on their W4. One of the first steps to get  citizenship under an amnesty program is to file a tax return. You're giving yourself legitimacy to a certain extent when  you file.

My mom wasn't exactly legal when she came over here from Norway  and I have no idea how she managed to pull it off to stay here, but suspect little fetus me being born on American soil was a big part of it. Same with my Gran just 10 years ago after her stroke, just without the little fetus part. Mom had to hire an immigration lawyer and we all moved in together to care for Gran, but we aren't a drain on society and we make it work. I am from a line of "illegal" aliens who became legal later. In any event, I would love to hear how some of these Christian "build a bigger fence!!!" types are ever going to justify to Jebus (if he ever shows up, which I highly doubt) how a person can be "illegal". I'm pretty sure Jebus didn't have a passport or visa.

/sorry for the rant
//I get cranky about things like this, obviously
///"anchor baby" is just another word for "American"
 
2013-01-01 12:11:34 PM  

mark12A: So, to summarize:

-illegal intruders get more rights, like drivers licenses

-legal citizens get less rights, like more unnecessary restrictions on their gun rights

I really have to wonder whose side the California politicians are on. They smell like traitors to me.


I wasn't aware that carrying a rifle into a place of business was a "right."
 
2013-01-01 12:12:53 PM  

tfresh: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

The same thing can be said for the giving of driver's licenses and financial aid to illegal aliens undocumented democrat party voters.


FTFY

we don't need no sticking voter ID.

www.maniacworld.com
 
2013-01-01 12:20:42 PM  

djkutch: Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.

This. I got hit by an illegal last week. He wanted me to come to his house so he could give me money. I said we had to call the police. He drove off while I took a pic of his license plate.

It's sorely testing me liberalism.


I know someone something similar happened to. Farm workers with a truckload of friends pulled out onto the highway right in front of her. The workers get out of the truck and the driver takes off running and was never found. Her car was totaled and her leg broken. Before the police arrive another car pulls up and the rest of the truck passengers leave. The farm they were leaving from had no documents for the workers and no contacts. The only thing they find out was that they were leaving to go get more beer for the party.

So friend is sidelined with a young kid and an infant while not able to work because she has a broken leg and no car. But yea, I'm sure the guy fled because he had no driver's license. He totally would have stayed and accepted the financial responsibility if he had proper documentation.
 
2013-01-01 12:21:00 PM  

hasty ambush: tfresh: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

The same thing can be said for the giving of driver's licenses and financial aid to illegal aliens undocumented democrat party voters.

FTFY

we don't need no sticking voter ID.

[www.maniacworld.com image 387x299]


Most Latinos are actually social conservatives. If your party wasn't so inept, they might realize this, and they would stop losing so many elections.
 
2013-01-01 12:22:18 PM  

cig-mkr: That's nothing. in North Carolina it is now a felony if you steal $1000 worth of used restaurant grease.


What do you think the penalty should be for stealing $1000 worth of restaurant grease?
 
2013-01-01 12:22:30 PM  

stirfrybry: Real Women Drink Akvavit: david_gaithersburg: So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.

Nah. We get this weird thing where we will usually (but not always) elect either a Republican governor and a Democratic state legislature or the other way 'round, so nothing really gets done. This means we voters say things like "What? A new law about being nice to chickens that will cost us elebentygazillion dollars in ten years? I'm so totally gonna vote for that, dudes!" and then the legislature gets nothing done, then the bonds for transportation projects have to be paid off, then the folks down in places like San Diego get their panties in a wad over taxes... you can see where that one is going. Add to that hot mess the fact we're a donor state - we pay more to the feds as a state than we get in things like federal highway funds, just so places like  Mississippi, which is considered a welfare state as they are poor bastids, can get their roads paved, and we're pretty much screwed.

I'm OK with illegal aliens getting driver's licenses and highly approve of this. You need to have a license to get auto insurance, and if I'm peacefully skating up the street and someone nails me with their car, someone's going to have to pay that hospital bill, if I survive. I hope they have  insurance and since our migrant farm workers drive whether they have a license or not, give them the damn license so I can have my medical bills paid.  The long  rifle thing though? I have frequently had the urge to take a rifle with me to Starbucks, I've just never done it. That's why I usually go to Peet's Coffee and Tea instead.

/Barnes and  Noble has a Starbucks in it, so it's hard to avoid the place while book shopping sometimes

what kind of delusional mind thinks someone who is hiding is going to expose themselves and voluntarily pay money when they can simply ignore the laws and know that they will face zero enforcement?


What kind of delusional mind thinks that in a state where you are routinely asked for your license, registration and proof of insurance it is a good idea to not have those things if you're driving a vehicle? Not having them is just going to draw more attention to you and get you slapped into an ICE facility so fast it would make your head spin, usually without the authorities even notifying your roommates or relatives. It's best to have that license, registration and insurance, for all involved.

We all know they're here, so they're not really hiding too much. Most of us just shrug it off, because we know we need them in this state to a certain extent.

Also, these laws are about people who came here as children. Children have  no choice and in some cases may not even realize they're illegal until they try to go to college. They may not even speak their parent's mother tongue. It's a very sad situation, and one I don't think they should be held accountable for at all. For all intents and purposes, those kids, now grown, are Americans. When we start holding people responsible for what their parents did years ago, that's a sad, sad day.
 
2013-01-01 12:23:50 PM  

Tanthalas39: cig-mkr: That's nothing. in North Carolina it is now a felony if you steal $1000 worth of used restaurant grease.

What do you think the penalty should be for stealing $1000 worth of restaurant grease?


free mcrib gift certificate
 
2013-01-01 12:27:17 PM  
It's just amazing how FARK hates cops, has an absolute disdain for the government and yet wants them to be the only people with guns.
 
2013-01-01 12:27:19 PM  

meatofmystery: Thunderpipes: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.

of course you have proof of this right? I mean, given that you're such an esteemed member of this site and all, surely you would never say something without the evidence to back it up.


Of course he doesn't have the evidence to back that claim up but don't call him Shirley.
 
2013-01-01 12:27:57 PM  

JosephFinn: Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.

You do know the difference between a government and a business, right? Governments can run in the red.


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2013-01-01 12:28:31 PM  

thornhill: Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.


We have it both ways right now and it kinda works for us white people. They pay FICA on fake SSNs and plenty of sales and use taxes. If we could figure out how to keep them out of the ERs we could fully exploit them for maximum gain. And we couldn't afford to have them do all the shiat work if we paid them like they were citizens. I support amnesty and looser borders in theory, but it seems like it's not gonna work in practice.

remus: Ask Greece about that... You do *KNOW* that there is a limit to just how deep they can run in the red and for how long? Creditors have this crazy idea that they should eventually be paid. They also have these odd concepts of not giving more money to a debtor that is already so deep and shows no possible way they can repay. You do know this, right?

Yes, Governments can run in the red. You are right. There are limits to that, however. You can't just continue heaping more on the debt pile forever and letting it grow more and more. At some point, the bill comes due. No government can let their debt spiral out of control. At some point, they have to take responsibility and act like adults. They may have to cut things to reduce expenses. They may have to increase revenue where possible. But, they certainly can't just irresponsibly add huge expenses to their rolls when they are already teetering on the edge of a cliff.



The interest rate on US debt shows how much faith our creditors have in us paying it. Apparently they have a ton of faith in us. So although you're technically correct, the best kind of correct, your chicken little attitude and lack of basic economic understanding doesn't add to the conversation.
 
2013-01-01 12:29:14 PM  

taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.


Up here in Washington, we had a couple texting accidents last year. But we also had an exponentially higher rate of illegal aliens who crashed and were either DUI and killed someone; or didn't care/didn't know about the laws and Hit and Run. Give me the texting bimbo any day.
 
2013-01-01 12:29:20 PM  

Incog_Neeto: It's just amazing how FARK hates cops, has an absolute disdain for the government and yet wants them to be the only people with guns.


That may be because not everybody who posts on Fark is the same person.

There are a lot of alt accounts, but there aren't that many,
 
2013-01-01 12:30:36 PM  

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


It's called "Buying the Liberal Vote with tax money".
 
2013-01-01 12:30:47 PM  
Inability to operate a motor vehicle safely should be the only reason to deny a drivers license. Citizenship is irrelevant to driving.
 
2013-01-01 12:32:46 PM  

Incog_Neeto: It's just amazing how FARK hates cops, has an absolute disdain for the government and yet wants them to be the only people with guns.


Are you confident in these results of your complete Fark opinion survey?
 
2013-01-01 12:34:33 PM  
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
― Tacitus, The Annals of Imperial Rome


"Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I would." (John Adams, Boston Gazette, Sept. 5, 1763, reprinted in The Works of John Adams 438 [Charles F. Adams ed., 1851])

"Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self-defense." , (John AdamsA Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America [1787-1788])
 
2013-01-01 12:35:39 PM  

Champion of the Sun: he interest rate on US debt shows how much faith our creditors have in us paying it. Apparently they have a ton of faith in us. So although you're technically correct, the best kind of correct, your chicken little attitude and lack of basic economic understanding doesn't add to the conversation.


Well, sort of... the Federal Reserve is currently buying up 90% of all new bonds.

if it works, fantastic. I'm a little skeptical that they will be able to unwind that smoothly though.
 
2013-01-01 12:36:14 PM  
Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?
 
2013-01-01 12:36:56 PM  

Mrbogey: So friend is sidelined with a young kid and an infant while not able to work because she has a broken leg and no car. But yea, I'm sure the guy fled because he had no driver's license. He totally would have stayed and accepted the financial responsibility if he had proper documentation.


Wouldn't the farm still be responsible for their employee's actions?
 
2013-01-01 12:37:13 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?


to scare the shiat out of the civet cats.
 
2013-01-01 12:42:27 PM  

Champion of the Sun: We have it both ways right now and it kinda works for us white people. They pay FICA on fake SSNs and plenty of sales and use taxes. If we could figure out how to keep them out of the ERs we could fully exploit them for maximum gain. And we couldn't afford to have them do all the shiat work if we paid them like they were citizens. I support amnesty and looser borders in theory, but it seems like it's not gonna work in practice.


Illegal immigrants are hardly the only abusers of the ER -- tens of millions of Americans without health insurance go there for non-emergencies. This is a bigger issue going back to why we need to just have a single payer system.

Considering how low skilled picking crops is, there's always going to be a very low ceiling on how much this pays. Immigrants are much more eager than Americans to do these job because they're coming from countries where the median income is less than $5k -- so paying them $20k a year is a substantial pay increase.

The other reason why Americans won't take these jobs is because by virtue of just speaking somewhat coherent english and being somewhat literate, there are plenty of other low paying jobs they can get that do not require backbreaking manual labor (e.g. the food service industry).

The bottom line is that we depend on these people -- we economically benefit from them -- so let's bring them into the fold.
 
2013-01-01 12:45:41 PM  

JosephFinn: Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


Oh look, a liar. Marked as such.

JosephFinn: Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


I know, I hate processes that are inconveniently long! Like filing taxes - so much work! And the follow-up checks, requests for further documentation, etc - it took me almost 5 months to get my refund last year! And those liars kept saying that it was because they were "dealing with enormous numbers of people" and "plagued by fraud." What racists! Sounds like I'd be justified in just "bypassing" that whole "paying taxes" process, because what a pain!
 
2013-01-01 12:45:51 PM  

Nem Wan: Inability to operate a motor vehicle safely should be the only reason to deny a drivers license. Citizenship is irrelevant to driving.


You are familiar with the motor voter law are you not?
 
2013-01-01 12:51:36 PM  

Champion of the Sun: We have it both ways right now and it kinda works for us white people. They pay FICA on fake SSNs and plenty of sales and use taxes. If we could figure out how to keep them out of the ERs we could fully exploit them for maximum gain. And we couldn't afford to have them do all the shiat work if we paid them like they were citizens. I support amnesty and looser borders in theory, but it seems like it's not gonna work in practice.


About that:

Illegal alien households are estimated to use $2,700 a year more in services than they pay in taxes, creating a total fiscal burden of nearly $10.4 billion on the federal budget in 2002.

Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual fiscal deficit at the federal level would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total federal deficit of $29 billion.

With nearly two-third of illegals lacking a high school diploma, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments not their legal status or their unwillingness to work.
Link
 
2013-01-01 12:52:11 PM  
Open carry has to be one of the dumbest of dumb ideas. "Hey, Look! I've got this expensive weapon without any bullets in it! How about you shoot me in the back and take it?"
 
2013-01-01 12:53:00 PM  
Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?

Is there a problem with having a rifle at a coffee shop? Are people being accidentally injured by rifles in coffee shops?

If someone wants to go on a shooting spree in a coffee shop, how useful will a rule against it be? Hint: Gun Free Zone rules at Sandy Hook were not only useless, but contributed to the disaster.

So if the rule is going to be useless, ineffective, and possibly harmful, WHY BOTHER WITH IT??

/why do we need Fark?
//why do we need beer, boobies, bacon?
///there should be valid, demonstrated, justifiable REASONS for banning ANYTHING
 
2013-01-01 12:54:15 PM  

dave2198: Most Latinos are actually social conservatives. If your party wasn't so inept, they might realize this, and they would stop losing so many elections.


It's funny how few people actually realize this. People loooooooove to preach about the inevitability of our journey towards becoming an increasingly progressive and left-leaning nation. And yet the fastest-growing voter bloc in the nation would be solid Republican voters but for one or two sore issues. Look at anti-gay-marriage measures in California. Why do you think those keep passing in such a "liberal" state? Check the demographics. Social liberals would be wise to realize that they're rapidly being overrun by people who are quite opposed to their values.
 
2013-01-01 12:56:26 PM  

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.


You see a rifle and are intimidated?

s19.postimage.org
 
2013-01-01 12:57:33 PM  
Great! Look at all the coffee shops I can go to now and not worry about some wingnut who is seeking out some armed coffee conflict.

Although, the good folks at The Alamo Cafe in Alamo CA may be a bit non-plussed.
 
2013-01-01 12:59:37 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?


To let everyone else know what a douchebag you are.
 
2013-01-01 01:01:51 PM  
 
2013-01-01 01:07:22 PM  

kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]


Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.
 
2013-01-01 01:10:01 PM  

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.


Meh...only in "urban areas". Out in the sticks your rifle is still welcome at Starbucks.
 
2013-01-01 01:10:20 PM  

vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.


So, you and the democrat legislators that are "intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black" are republicans?
 
2013-01-01 01:14:00 PM  

Incog_Neeto: It's just amazing how FARK hates cops, has an absolute disdain for the government and yet wants them to be the only people with guns.


It's a cognitive disconnect most people who bill themselves as anti-authority have. When in truth their disdain for authority is disdain for the authority of others. They usually make the worst authoritarians when given power.

JPINFV: Wouldn't the farm still be responsible for their employee's actions?


Not for what its workers do off hours.
 
2013-01-01 01:14:02 PM  

Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.


Yes, this all boils down to "my side vs. your side." The world we live in is a zero-sum game. Thanks for reminding me that "conservatives" don't have a habit of oversimplifying things.

Autoerotic asphyxiation? How does that even come into this discussion. Sounds like someone has pent up sexual issues. Whatever it is you're hiding deep within yourself, just admit it, you'll feel better.

Dr. Goldshnoz: You apparently got what you want and yet you sound so buttfrustrated.


No idea where you even came up with that. Keep gnashing those teeth.

Buttfrustrated? Sounds like another conservative who can't admit something to themselves. Just admit it, you'll feel better.
 
2013-01-01 01:14:15 PM  

Mrbogey: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

Nobody abused a convenience. You don't know what you're talking about.


Do enlighten us as to what the purpose of letting people go around with unloaded rifles was.
 
2013-01-01 01:16:12 PM  

hasty ambush: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

You sound like a non-tax payer


And you sound like someone who runs with premise.
 
2013-01-01 01:16:25 PM  

kombat_unit: vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.

So, you and the democrat legislators that are "intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black" are republicans?


If someone is intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black, they are Republican.  If that's what was going on here, you'd have a point.  But it isn't, and you don't.
 
2013-01-01 01:16:34 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.


"The courts have been enlisted in a dispute over a new law prohibiting the practice of "conversion therapy" on minors in an effort to change their sexual orientation from gay to straight. Judges have disagreed over its merits, but a federal appeals court has blocked the law from taking effect."

Same as it ever was.
 
2013-01-01 01:20:30 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: JosephFinn: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?

Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?

Overly long? Possibly.
Racist? No.


This.

Best friends wife is australian and white as can be. She has to go through the same 3-5 year bs that all those brown people do.
 
2013-01-01 01:22:23 PM  
That's, okay. Anybody that would have been annoyed at this is either gone or leaving Cali anyway. Or hunkering down in the Motherlode where it's too inconvenient to go and bother them.
www.opencarry.org
 
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