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(LA Times)   You can no longer openly carry your rifle into a coffee shop in California, and the next illegal alien to run you over might have a legal driver's license. Happy 2013   (timelines.latimes.com) divider line 177
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2013-01-01 11:26:21 AM
good
 
2013-01-01 11:28:26 AM
This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.
 
2013-01-01 11:30:56 AM
Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.
 
2013-01-01 11:32:22 AM
ftfa: "Controversy surrounded the bid to permit perhaps hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants to qualify for state driver's licenses. The new law applies to those given a work permit as part of an Obama administration program that suspends deportation for many people who arrived illegally as children."

How are you still illegal or undocumented if you have a work permit? Seems like that would move you into the documented category.
 
2013-01-01 11:32:35 AM
So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.
 
2013-01-01 11:32:37 AM

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.


The same thing can be said for the giving of driver's licenses and financial aid to illegal aliens.
 
2013-01-01 11:33:18 AM
Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.
 
2013-01-01 11:33:51 AM
If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.
 
2013-01-01 11:35:35 AM
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/CA resident
 
2013-01-01 11:36:18 AM
Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?
 
2013-01-01 11:36:46 AM
and you can't get into a "coffee-shop" at all in the nederlands any more, unless you're dutch... god damn it all, world!
 
2013-01-01 11:36:48 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.


The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.
 
2013-01-01 11:36:53 AM
No me gusta illegal immigrants.
 
2013-01-01 11:37:13 AM
Again, I'm so glad I don't live in California.

/or New York, Connecticut, or Massachusetts
 
2013-01-01 11:37:22 AM
Not sure why you need your rifle at Starbucks. Also not bothered by licensed drivers.
 
2013-01-01 11:37:45 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.


You apparently got what you want and yet you sound so buttfrustrated.
 
2013-01-01 11:37:52 AM
FTFA:   The courts have been enlisted in a dispute over a new law prohibiting the practice of "conversion therapy" on minors in an effort to change their sexual orientation from gay to straight. Judges have disagreed over its merits, but a federal appeals court has blocked the law from taking effect.

Hard to believe this didn't pass with that contentious mass of laws, it sounds positively Victorian.
 
2013-01-01 11:38:53 AM

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.


It helps maintain an underclass of people who will work for pennies.
 
2013-01-01 11:39:17 AM

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?


Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?
 
2013-01-01 11:39:22 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: Not sure why you need your rifle at Starbucks. Also not bothered by licensed drivers.


You poach Stardoes, don't you?
 
2013-01-01 11:40:16 AM

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


Because people may have started to realize that this is not a problem that can be solved with "deport everyone" and has more grey areas like "illegal immigrant that was brought here as a child with no real understanding of what the implications are".

We might actually be approaching a real compromise to the problem, but not without one or two great derps to come out of it. And those derps shall be great and terrible.
 
2013-01-01 11:40:26 AM

Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.


You do know the difference between a government and a business, right? Governments can run in the red.
 
2013-01-01 11:40:44 AM
you can always trot on over to Nevada if you need your extension gun always out for everyone to see.
 
2013-01-01 11:41:48 AM

taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.


Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.
 
2013-01-01 11:42:24 AM

JosephFinn: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?

Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


Overly long? Possibly.
Racist? No.
 
2013-01-01 11:43:14 AM

generallyso: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

It helps maintain an underclass of people who will work for pennies.


Not true any longer. The mexicans have taken all the blue collar jobs once held by hard working middle class citizens. We are witnessing the end of the United States as it once was.
 
2013-01-01 11:43:44 AM
I guess the guy in Sacramento just wanted to brandish his gun one last time.
 
2013-01-01 11:45:54 AM
You need a drivers license to buy insurance, so I'm okay with illegal immigrants getting them. But if pointless stances are the only way you get your johnson hard, I'm willing to let the roads be more dangerous. They may take our jerbs, but they'll never take our...
 
2013-01-01 11:46:15 AM

Tank_Fuzzbutt: We are witnessing the end of the United States as it once was.


The end of what, precisely?
 
2013-01-01 11:46:29 AM

david_gaithersburg: So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.


Nah. We get this weird thing where we will usually (but not always) elect either a Republican governor and a Democratic state legislature or the other way 'round, so nothing really gets done. This means we voters say things like "What? A new law about being nice to chickens that will cost us elebentygazillion dollars in ten years? I'm so totally gonna vote for that, dudes!" and then the legislature gets nothing done, then the bonds for transportation projects have to be paid off, then the folks down in places like San Diego get their panties in a wad over taxes... you can see where that one is going. Add to that hot mess the fact we're a donor state - we pay more to the feds as a state than we get in things like federal highway funds, just so places like  Mississippi, which is considered a welfare state as they are poor bastids, can get their roads paved, and we're pretty much screwed.

I'm OK with illegal aliens getting driver's licenses and highly approve of this. You need to have a license to get auto insurance, and if I'm peacefully skating up the street and someone nails me with their car, someone's going to have to pay that hospital bill, if I survive. I hope they have  insurance and since our migrant farm workers drive whether they have a license or not, give them the damn license so I can have my medical bills paid.  The long  rifle thing though? I have frequently had the urge to take a rifle with me to Starbucks, I've just never done it. That's why I usually go to Peet's Coffee and Tea instead.

/Barnes and  Noble has a Starbucks in it, so it's hard to avoid the place while book shopping sometimes
 
2013-01-01 11:48:27 AM

Thunderpipes: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.


of course you have proof of this right? I mean, given that you're such an esteemed member of this site and all, surely you would never say something without the evidence to back it up.
 
2013-01-01 11:48:36 AM

Xythero: ftfa: "Controversy surrounded the bid to permit perhaps hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants to qualify for state driver's licenses. The new law applies to those given a work permit as part of an Obama administration program that suspends deportation for many people who arrived illegally as children."

How are you still illegal or undocumented if you have a work permit? Seems like that would move you into the documented category.


Shhhhhhhhhh..... Your logic is ruining the hate-fest...
 
2013-01-01 11:48:39 AM
But I modified my long gun to work as a walking cane. I now have the ADA on my side.:b
 
2013-01-01 11:48:52 AM

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.
 
2013-01-01 11:49:05 AM
Well that's it then. I'll be sitting in a fine California coffee shop, just sipping a coffee, and an illegal Mexican (but with a driver's license!) will come in and start mopping the floor, and I won't even be able to shoot him.

Land of fruits and nuts, I tell you what.
 
2013-01-01 11:49:17 AM
That's nothing. in North Carolina it is now a felony if you steal $1000 worth of used restaurant grease.
 
2013-01-01 11:50:59 AM

JosephFinn: Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.

You do know the difference between a government and a business, right? Governments can run in the red.


For how long?
 
2013-01-01 11:51:31 AM

JosephFinn: Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


Pfff... America has one of the laxest and least enforced immigration policies in the world. The process is laborious for legal immigrants because of the sheer influx of illegals gumming up the system.

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.


Nobody abused a convenience. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
2013-01-01 11:52:24 AM

cryinoutloud: Well that's it then. I'll be sitting in a fine California coffee shop, just sipping a coffee, and an illegal Mexican (but with a driver's license!) will come in and start mopping the floor, and I won't even be able to shoot him.

Land of fruits and nuts, I tell you what.


It's a mixed trail.
 
2013-01-01 11:53:16 AM

Dante87336: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?

Because people may have started to realize that this is not a problem that can be solved with "deport everyone" and has more grey areas like "illegal immigrant that was brought here as a child with no real understanding of what the implications are".

We might actually be approaching a real compromise to the problem, but not without one or two great derps to come out of it. And those derps shall be great and terrible.


It just seems crazy, either get these individuals documented and legal, whether it's short term, long term or permanent, or don't and get rid of them.

It all seems an effort to side step the real issue of the immigration policy.

It's like fat chicks buying themselves new earrings that they think make them look slimmer. No, you're still fat, address your diet and exercise, and stop the run around.

I can understand the problem more than many probably can. I'm an American by birth, but have gone through immigration/documentation twice for two several year stints elsewhere for work. The first place, someone messed up my paperwork, and I was told to either leave (I had already been there 1.5 years) or face deportation. Second one went smoother, and only recently ended, but the anxiety over the situation sucked. I'm not going to do that again, and my empathy goes out for for those who have to do it, or live in similar (or worse) circumstances.
 
2013-01-01 11:53:36 AM
why go we care about california, again? let them worry about their own problems,they're exceedingly complex, liberalized, and will probably go thorough a series of revision cycles to correct their overdose of laws to an appropriate level.
 
2013-01-01 11:54:55 AM

TheHumanCannonball: It's like fat chicks buying themselves new earrings that they think make them look slimmer. No, you're still fat, address your diet and exercise, and stop the run around.


MODS: why can't we add the article tags to threads? this one deserves 'hero'.
 
2013-01-01 11:56:03 AM

stuffy: But I modified my long gun to work as a walking cane. I now have the ADA on my side.:b


dude i was gunna say that.
 
2013-01-01 11:56:06 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: david_gaithersburg: So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.

Nah. We get this weird thing where we will usually (but not always) elect either a Republican governor and a Democratic state legislature or the other way 'round, so nothing really gets done. This means we voters say things like "What? A new law about being nice to chickens that will cost us elebentygazillion dollars in ten years? I'm so totally gonna vote for that, dudes!" and then the legislature gets nothing done, then the bonds for transportation projects have to be paid off, then the folks down in places like San Diego get their panties in a wad over taxes... you can see where that one is going. Add to that hot mess the fact we're a donor state - we pay more to the feds as a state than we get in things like federal highway funds, just so places like  Mississippi, which is considered a welfare state as they are poor bastids, can get their roads paved, and we're pretty much screwed.

I'm OK with illegal aliens getting driver's licenses and highly approve of this. You need to have a license to get auto insurance, and if I'm peacefully skating up the street and someone nails me with their car, someone's going to have to pay that hospital bill, if I survive. I hope they have  insurance and since our migrant farm workers drive whether they have a license or not, give them the damn license so I can have my medical bills paid.  The long  rifle thing though? I have frequently had the urge to take a rifle with me to Starbucks, I've just never done it. That's why I usually go to Peet's Coffee and Tea instead.

/Barnes and  Noble has a Starbucks in it, so it's hard to avoid the place while book shopping sometimes


what kind of delusional mind thinks someone who is hiding is going to expose themselves and voluntarily pay money when they can simply ignore the laws and know that they will face zero enforcement?
 
2013-01-01 11:56:47 AM

Tank_Fuzzbutt: generallyso: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

It helps maintain an underclass of people who will work for pennies.

Not true any longer. The mexicans have taken all the blue collar jobs once held by hard working middle class citizens. We are witnessing the end of the United States as it once was.


Mexicans are taking jobs that Americans don't want or are willing to do. Usually at minimum wage and no benefits.
They usually take the "no skills required" positions.
 
2013-01-01 11:58:57 AM

stirfrybry: what kind of delusional mind thinks someone who is hiding is going to expose themselves and voluntarily pay money when they can simply ignore the laws and know that they will face zero enforcement?


Asked and answered.
 
2013-01-01 11:59:45 AM
So, to summarize:

-illegal intruders get more rights, like drivers licenses

-legal citizens get less rights, like more unnecessary restrictions on their gun rights

I really have to wonder whose side the California politicians are on. They smell like traitors to me.
 
2013-01-01 12:00:06 PM

thornhill: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?

Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.


Are you one of the idiots that screams about "fair wages" while you support illegal workers supplanting domestic workers and driving down the wages you claim to want to see rise?
 
2013-01-01 12:00:19 PM

vudukungfu: good


This. The only law I disagree with is the one regarding underage killers.
 
2013-01-01 12:01:12 PM

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing.


You don't seem to realize that those are the same thing - giving them the ability to get driver's licenses and allowing them access to state tuition rates is helping them to become taxable, legal citizens with useful skills a future, not a burdensome underclass.

Yes, there is a paperwork an citizenship process that needs to be fixed and followed, but that's a minor element to actually creating a productive citizen-bound immigrant population.
 
2013-01-01 12:01:47 PM

JosephFinn: Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.

You do know the difference between a government and a business, right? Governments can run in the red.


Ask Greece about that... You do *KNOW* that there is a limit to just how deep they can run in the red and for how long? Creditors have this crazy idea that they should eventually be paid. They also have these odd concepts of not giving more money to a debtor that is already so deep and shows no possible way they can repay. You do know this, right?

Yes, Governments can run in the red. You are right. There are limits to that, however. You can't just continue heaping more on the debt pile forever and letting it grow more and more. At some point, the bill comes due. No government can let their debt spiral out of control.  At some point, they have to take responsibility and act like adults. They may have to cut things to reduce expenses. They may have to increase revenue where possible. But, they certainly can't just irresponsibly add huge expenses to their rolls when they are already teetering on the edge of a cliff.
 
2013-01-01 12:03:46 PM
I got buddies who died face down in the muck so that you and I could enjoy this family restaurant. So I'm drinking my coffee.
 
2013-01-01 12:05:04 PM

Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.


This. I got hit by an illegal last week. He wanted me to come to his house so he could give me money. I said we had to call the police. He drove off while I took a pic of his license plate.

It's sorely testing me liberalism.
 
2013-01-01 12:05:23 PM

Khellendros: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing.

You don't seem to realize that those are the same thing - giving them the ability to get driver's licenses and allowing them access to state tuition rates is helping them to become taxable, legal citizens with useful skills a future, not a burdensome underclass.

Yes, there is a paperwork an citizenship process that needs to be fixed and followed, but that's a minor element to actually creating a productive citizen-bound immigrant population.


There is a huge population of already educated, already skilled, labour that would gladly jump on a plane to live and work in the US. It seems silly to not allow them into the country, but then to let uneducated, unskilled labour who have already broken our laws, a 'fast-track' to establishing a legal residency.

I've got coworkers and friends who've spent years trying to work legally in the US.
 
2013-01-01 12:08:19 PM

stirfrybry: thornhill: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?

Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.

Are you one of the idiots that screams about "fair wages" while you support illegal workers supplanting domestic workers and driving down the wages you claim to want to see rise?


Except they're not supplanting any domestic workers. The reason that they dominate these low skill manual labor jobs is because Americans' unwillingness to do these jobs has left a total vacuum.

In Southern states the anti-immigration laws have scared off immigrant workers. Because no Americans are lining up to take these jobs and their is such a huge labor shortage, states like Georgia are sending criminals on probation to work in the field.
 
2013-01-01 12:09:44 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.


You sound like a non-tax payer
 
2013-01-01 12:10:05 PM

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


The thing is, most of them do pay taxes already. They simply do not file tax returns to get a refund. I know what a fake green  card looks like, but many employers do not,  so it's not like they can't easily find crappy jobs. It's not like the employer is going to pay to check the thumb print anyway. So the immigrants pay into the system, go to work every day at jobs a lot of Americans won't work, then just let it go if they didn't claim exempt on their W4. One of the first steps to get  citizenship under an amnesty program is to file a tax return. You're giving yourself legitimacy to a certain extent when  you file.

My mom wasn't exactly legal when she came over here from Norway  and I have no idea how she managed to pull it off to stay here, but suspect little fetus me being born on American soil was a big part of it. Same with my Gran just 10 years ago after her stroke, just without the little fetus part. Mom had to hire an immigration lawyer and we all moved in together to care for Gran, but we aren't a drain on society and we make it work. I am from a line of "illegal" aliens who became legal later. In any event, I would love to hear how some of these Christian "build a bigger fence!!!" types are ever going to justify to Jebus (if he ever shows up, which I highly doubt) how a person can be "illegal". I'm pretty sure Jebus didn't have a passport or visa.

/sorry for the rant
//I get cranky about things like this, obviously
///"anchor baby" is just another word for "American"
 
2013-01-01 12:11:34 PM

mark12A: So, to summarize:

-illegal intruders get more rights, like drivers licenses

-legal citizens get less rights, like more unnecessary restrictions on their gun rights

I really have to wonder whose side the California politicians are on. They smell like traitors to me.


I wasn't aware that carrying a rifle into a place of business was a "right."
 
2013-01-01 12:12:53 PM

tfresh: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

The same thing can be said for the giving of driver's licenses and financial aid to illegal aliens undocumented democrat party voters.


FTFY

we don't need no sticking voter ID.

www.maniacworld.com
 
2013-01-01 12:20:42 PM

djkutch: Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.

This. I got hit by an illegal last week. He wanted me to come to his house so he could give me money. I said we had to call the police. He drove off while I took a pic of his license plate.

It's sorely testing me liberalism.


I know someone something similar happened to. Farm workers with a truckload of friends pulled out onto the highway right in front of her. The workers get out of the truck and the driver takes off running and was never found. Her car was totaled and her leg broken. Before the police arrive another car pulls up and the rest of the truck passengers leave. The farm they were leaving from had no documents for the workers and no contacts. The only thing they find out was that they were leaving to go get more beer for the party.

So friend is sidelined with a young kid and an infant while not able to work because she has a broken leg and no car. But yea, I'm sure the guy fled because he had no driver's license. He totally would have stayed and accepted the financial responsibility if he had proper documentation.
 
2013-01-01 12:21:00 PM

hasty ambush: tfresh: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

The same thing can be said for the giving of driver's licenses and financial aid to illegal aliens undocumented democrat party voters.

FTFY

we don't need no sticking voter ID.

[www.maniacworld.com image 387x299]


Most Latinos are actually social conservatives. If your party wasn't so inept, they might realize this, and they would stop losing so many elections.
 
2013-01-01 12:22:18 PM

cig-mkr: That's nothing. in North Carolina it is now a felony if you steal $1000 worth of used restaurant grease.


What do you think the penalty should be for stealing $1000 worth of restaurant grease?
 
2013-01-01 12:22:30 PM

stirfrybry: Real Women Drink Akvavit: david_gaithersburg: So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.

Nah. We get this weird thing where we will usually (but not always) elect either a Republican governor and a Democratic state legislature or the other way 'round, so nothing really gets done. This means we voters say things like "What? A new law about being nice to chickens that will cost us elebentygazillion dollars in ten years? I'm so totally gonna vote for that, dudes!" and then the legislature gets nothing done, then the bonds for transportation projects have to be paid off, then the folks down in places like San Diego get their panties in a wad over taxes... you can see where that one is going. Add to that hot mess the fact we're a donor state - we pay more to the feds as a state than we get in things like federal highway funds, just so places like  Mississippi, which is considered a welfare state as they are poor bastids, can get their roads paved, and we're pretty much screwed.

I'm OK with illegal aliens getting driver's licenses and highly approve of this. You need to have a license to get auto insurance, and if I'm peacefully skating up the street and someone nails me with their car, someone's going to have to pay that hospital bill, if I survive. I hope they have  insurance and since our migrant farm workers drive whether they have a license or not, give them the damn license so I can have my medical bills paid.  The long  rifle thing though? I have frequently had the urge to take a rifle with me to Starbucks, I've just never done it. That's why I usually go to Peet's Coffee and Tea instead.

/Barnes and  Noble has a Starbucks in it, so it's hard to avoid the place while book shopping sometimes

what kind of delusional mind thinks someone who is hiding is going to expose themselves and voluntarily pay money when they can simply ignore the laws and know that they will face zero enforcement?


What kind of delusional mind thinks that in a state where you are routinely asked for your license, registration and proof of insurance it is a good idea to not have those things if you're driving a vehicle? Not having them is just going to draw more attention to you and get you slapped into an ICE facility so fast it would make your head spin, usually without the authorities even notifying your roommates or relatives. It's best to have that license, registration and insurance, for all involved.

We all know they're here, so they're not really hiding too much. Most of us just shrug it off, because we know we need them in this state to a certain extent.

Also, these laws are about people who came here as children. Children have  no choice and in some cases may not even realize they're illegal until they try to go to college. They may not even speak their parent's mother tongue. It's a very sad situation, and one I don't think they should be held accountable for at all. For all intents and purposes, those kids, now grown, are Americans. When we start holding people responsible for what their parents did years ago, that's a sad, sad day.
 
2013-01-01 12:23:50 PM

Tanthalas39: cig-mkr: That's nothing. in North Carolina it is now a felony if you steal $1000 worth of used restaurant grease.

What do you think the penalty should be for stealing $1000 worth of restaurant grease?


free mcrib gift certificate
 
2013-01-01 12:27:17 PM
It's just amazing how FARK hates cops, has an absolute disdain for the government and yet wants them to be the only people with guns.
 
2013-01-01 12:27:19 PM

meatofmystery: Thunderpipes: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.

of course you have proof of this right? I mean, given that you're such an esteemed member of this site and all, surely you would never say something without the evidence to back it up.


Of course he doesn't have the evidence to back that claim up but don't call him Shirley.
 
2013-01-01 12:27:57 PM

JosephFinn: Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.

You do know the difference between a government and a business, right? Governments can run in the red.


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2013-01-01 12:28:31 PM

thornhill: Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.


We have it both ways right now and it kinda works for us white people. They pay FICA on fake SSNs and plenty of sales and use taxes. If we could figure out how to keep them out of the ERs we could fully exploit them for maximum gain. And we couldn't afford to have them do all the shiat work if we paid them like they were citizens. I support amnesty and looser borders in theory, but it seems like it's not gonna work in practice.

remus: Ask Greece about that... You do *KNOW* that there is a limit to just how deep they can run in the red and for how long? Creditors have this crazy idea that they should eventually be paid. They also have these odd concepts of not giving more money to a debtor that is already so deep and shows no possible way they can repay. You do know this, right?

Yes, Governments can run in the red. You are right. There are limits to that, however. You can't just continue heaping more on the debt pile forever and letting it grow more and more. At some point, the bill comes due. No government can let their debt spiral out of control. At some point, they have to take responsibility and act like adults. They may have to cut things to reduce expenses. They may have to increase revenue where possible. But, they certainly can't just irresponsibly add huge expenses to their rolls when they are already teetering on the edge of a cliff.



The interest rate on US debt shows how much faith our creditors have in us paying it. Apparently they have a ton of faith in us. So although you're technically correct, the best kind of correct, your chicken little attitude and lack of basic economic understanding doesn't add to the conversation.
 
2013-01-01 12:29:14 PM

taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.


Up here in Washington, we had a couple texting accidents last year. But we also had an exponentially higher rate of illegal aliens who crashed and were either DUI and killed someone; or didn't care/didn't know about the laws and Hit and Run. Give me the texting bimbo any day.
 
2013-01-01 12:29:20 PM

Incog_Neeto: It's just amazing how FARK hates cops, has an absolute disdain for the government and yet wants them to be the only people with guns.


That may be because not everybody who posts on Fark is the same person.

There are a lot of alt accounts, but there aren't that many,
 
2013-01-01 12:30:36 PM

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


It's called "Buying the Liberal Vote with tax money".
 
2013-01-01 12:30:47 PM
Inability to operate a motor vehicle safely should be the only reason to deny a drivers license. Citizenship is irrelevant to driving.
 
2013-01-01 12:32:46 PM

Incog_Neeto: It's just amazing how FARK hates cops, has an absolute disdain for the government and yet wants them to be the only people with guns.


Are you confident in these results of your complete Fark opinion survey?
 
2013-01-01 12:34:33 PM
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
― Tacitus, The Annals of Imperial Rome


"Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I would." (John Adams, Boston Gazette, Sept. 5, 1763, reprinted in The Works of John Adams 438 [Charles F. Adams ed., 1851])

"Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self-defense." , (John AdamsA Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America [1787-1788])
 
2013-01-01 12:35:39 PM

Champion of the Sun: he interest rate on US debt shows how much faith our creditors have in us paying it. Apparently they have a ton of faith in us. So although you're technically correct, the best kind of correct, your chicken little attitude and lack of basic economic understanding doesn't add to the conversation.


Well, sort of... the Federal Reserve is currently buying up 90% of all new bonds.

if it works, fantastic. I'm a little skeptical that they will be able to unwind that smoothly though.
 
2013-01-01 12:36:14 PM
Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?
 
2013-01-01 12:36:56 PM

Mrbogey: So friend is sidelined with a young kid and an infant while not able to work because she has a broken leg and no car. But yea, I'm sure the guy fled because he had no driver's license. He totally would have stayed and accepted the financial responsibility if he had proper documentation.


Wouldn't the farm still be responsible for their employee's actions?
 
2013-01-01 12:37:13 PM

Orgasmatron138: Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?


to scare the shiat out of the civet cats.
 
2013-01-01 12:42:27 PM

Champion of the Sun: We have it both ways right now and it kinda works for us white people. They pay FICA on fake SSNs and plenty of sales and use taxes. If we could figure out how to keep them out of the ERs we could fully exploit them for maximum gain. And we couldn't afford to have them do all the shiat work if we paid them like they were citizens. I support amnesty and looser borders in theory, but it seems like it's not gonna work in practice.


Illegal immigrants are hardly the only abusers of the ER -- tens of millions of Americans without health insurance go there for non-emergencies. This is a bigger issue going back to why we need to just have a single payer system.

Considering how low skilled picking crops is, there's always going to be a very low ceiling on how much this pays. Immigrants are much more eager than Americans to do these job because they're coming from countries where the median income is less than $5k -- so paying them $20k a year is a substantial pay increase.

The other reason why Americans won't take these jobs is because by virtue of just speaking somewhat coherent english and being somewhat literate, there are plenty of other low paying jobs they can get that do not require backbreaking manual labor (e.g. the food service industry).

The bottom line is that we depend on these people -- we economically benefit from them -- so let's bring them into the fold.
 
2013-01-01 12:45:41 PM

JosephFinn: Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


Oh look, a liar. Marked as such.

JosephFinn: Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


I know, I hate processes that are inconveniently long! Like filing taxes - so much work! And the follow-up checks, requests for further documentation, etc - it took me almost 5 months to get my refund last year! And those liars kept saying that it was because they were "dealing with enormous numbers of people" and "plagued by fraud." What racists! Sounds like I'd be justified in just "bypassing" that whole "paying taxes" process, because what a pain!
 
2013-01-01 12:45:51 PM

Nem Wan: Inability to operate a motor vehicle safely should be the only reason to deny a drivers license. Citizenship is irrelevant to driving.


You are familiar with the motor voter law are you not?
 
2013-01-01 12:51:36 PM

Champion of the Sun: We have it both ways right now and it kinda works for us white people. They pay FICA on fake SSNs and plenty of sales and use taxes. If we could figure out how to keep them out of the ERs we could fully exploit them for maximum gain. And we couldn't afford to have them do all the shiat work if we paid them like they were citizens. I support amnesty and looser borders in theory, but it seems like it's not gonna work in practice.


About that:

Illegal alien households are estimated to use $2,700 a year more in services than they pay in taxes, creating a total fiscal burden of nearly $10.4 billion on the federal budget in 2002.

Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).

If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual fiscal deficit at the federal level would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total federal deficit of $29 billion.

With nearly two-third of illegals lacking a high school diploma, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments not their legal status or their unwillingness to work.
Link
 
2013-01-01 12:52:11 PM
Open carry has to be one of the dumbest of dumb ideas. "Hey, Look! I've got this expensive weapon without any bullets in it! How about you shoot me in the back and take it?"
 
2013-01-01 12:53:00 PM
Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?

Is there a problem with having a rifle at a coffee shop? Are people being accidentally injured by rifles in coffee shops?

If someone wants to go on a shooting spree in a coffee shop, how useful will a rule against it be? Hint: Gun Free Zone rules at Sandy Hook were not only useless, but contributed to the disaster.

So if the rule is going to be useless, ineffective, and possibly harmful, WHY BOTHER WITH IT??

/why do we need Fark?
//why do we need beer, boobies, bacon?
///there should be valid, demonstrated, justifiable REASONS for banning ANYTHING
 
2013-01-01 12:54:15 PM

dave2198: Most Latinos are actually social conservatives. If your party wasn't so inept, they might realize this, and they would stop losing so many elections.


It's funny how few people actually realize this. People loooooooove to preach about the inevitability of our journey towards becoming an increasingly progressive and left-leaning nation. And yet the fastest-growing voter bloc in the nation would be solid Republican voters but for one or two sore issues. Look at anti-gay-marriage measures in California. Why do you think those keep passing in such a "liberal" state? Check the demographics. Social liberals would be wise to realize that they're rapidly being overrun by people who are quite opposed to their values.
 
2013-01-01 12:56:26 PM

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.


You see a rifle and are intimidated?

s19.postimage.org
 
2013-01-01 12:57:33 PM
Great! Look at all the coffee shops I can go to now and not worry about some wingnut who is seeking out some armed coffee conflict.

Although, the good folks at The Alamo Cafe in Alamo CA may be a bit non-plussed.
 
2013-01-01 12:59:37 PM

Orgasmatron138: Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?


To let everyone else know what a douchebag you are.
 
2013-01-01 01:01:51 PM
 
2013-01-01 01:07:22 PM

kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]


Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.
 
2013-01-01 01:10:01 PM

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.


Meh...only in "urban areas". Out in the sticks your rifle is still welcome at Starbucks.
 
2013-01-01 01:10:20 PM

vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.


So, you and the democrat legislators that are "intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black" are republicans?
 
2013-01-01 01:14:00 PM

Incog_Neeto: It's just amazing how FARK hates cops, has an absolute disdain for the government and yet wants them to be the only people with guns.


It's a cognitive disconnect most people who bill themselves as anti-authority have. When in truth their disdain for authority is disdain for the authority of others. They usually make the worst authoritarians when given power.

JPINFV: Wouldn't the farm still be responsible for their employee's actions?


Not for what its workers do off hours.
 
2013-01-01 01:14:02 PM

Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.


Yes, this all boils down to "my side vs. your side." The world we live in is a zero-sum game. Thanks for reminding me that "conservatives" don't have a habit of oversimplifying things.

Autoerotic asphyxiation? How does that even come into this discussion. Sounds like someone has pent up sexual issues. Whatever it is you're hiding deep within yourself, just admit it, you'll feel better.

Dr. Goldshnoz: You apparently got what you want and yet you sound so buttfrustrated.


No idea where you even came up with that. Keep gnashing those teeth.

Buttfrustrated? Sounds like another conservative who can't admit something to themselves. Just admit it, you'll feel better.
 
2013-01-01 01:14:15 PM

Mrbogey: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

Nobody abused a convenience. You don't know what you're talking about.


Do enlighten us as to what the purpose of letting people go around with unloaded rifles was.
 
2013-01-01 01:16:12 PM

hasty ambush: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

You sound like a non-tax payer


And you sound like someone who runs with premise.
 
2013-01-01 01:16:25 PM

kombat_unit: vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.

So, you and the democrat legislators that are "intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black" are republicans?


If someone is intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black, they are Republican.  If that's what was going on here, you'd have a point.  But it isn't, and you don't.
 
2013-01-01 01:16:34 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.


"The courts have been enlisted in a dispute over a new law prohibiting the practice of "conversion therapy" on minors in an effort to change their sexual orientation from gay to straight. Judges have disagreed over its merits, but a federal appeals court has blocked the law from taking effect."

Same as it ever was.
 
2013-01-01 01:20:30 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: JosephFinn: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?

Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?

Overly long? Possibly.
Racist? No.


This.

Best friends wife is australian and white as can be. She has to go through the same 3-5 year bs that all those brown people do.
 
2013-01-01 01:22:23 PM
That's, okay. Anybody that would have been annoyed at this is either gone or leaving Cali anyway. Or hunkering down in the Motherlode where it's too inconvenient to go and bother them.
www.opencarry.org
 
2013-01-01 01:22:42 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit:

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled
My mom wasn't exactly legal when she came over here from Norway  and I have no idea how she managed to pull it off to stay here, but suspect little fetus me being born on American soil was a big part of it. Same with my Gran just 10 years ago after her stroke, just without the little fetus part. Mom had to hire an immigration lawyer and we all moved in together to care for Gran, but we aren't a drain on society and we make it work. I am from a line of "illegal" aliens who became legal later. In any event, I would love to hear how some of these Christian "build a bigger fence!!!" types are ever going to justify to Jebus (if he ever shows up, which I highly doubt) how a person can be "illegal". I'm pretty sure Jebus didn't have a passport or visa.

/sorry for the rant
//I get cran ...


It's ok. Being from Norway you probably aren't brown.
 
2013-01-01 01:27:09 PM

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society. What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked. Nice job.


Its not a privilege......its a HUMAN RIGHT.
 
2013-01-01 01:33:58 PM
Is it the Librul Media photographers or just me?  I never seem to see anyone other than overweight white guys in the picture in these news pieces.

I'd also like to know what Freud would think about this whole thing.
 
2013-01-01 01:34:51 PM
What's the point of openly carrying a firearm? You're just telling everyone "Hey, I'm an asshole with a gun and not afraid to show it off." And it's a good way to guarantee you'll get shot first or get your gun grabbed.
 
2013-01-01 01:40:50 PM

vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.


"What's 18 inches long, black, and makes white women scream all night long?"

Crib death.
 
2013-01-01 01:47:14 PM

kombat_unit: vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.

So, you and the democrat legislators that are "intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black" are republicans?


It is amazing that if you oppose anything the left wants to do now its being racist. Oppose tax increases-racist, oppose money for Solyndra, UAW or aboritons-racist. Oppose Obamacare-racist, Oppose gun control-racist.

If you continue to oveuse and misapply a term it beocmes meaningless.
 
2013-01-01 01:58:11 PM

way south: Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.


Have you ever heard of armed robbery? Yes lots of stores have been robbed when there were people with rifles hanging out in the store, usually by the people carrying the rifles.

That's partly why this is such a problem, how are you supposed to tell the "good" guys carting a gun around from the "bad" guys carting guns around? Most people would be quite unsettled if they saw someone walk into a shop with an assault rifle and justifiably so.
 
2013-01-01 02:00:49 PM

hasty ambush:

If you continue to oveuse and misapply a term it beocmes meaningless.


Yes, like "party of personal responsibility" and "reducing the deficit".
 
2013-01-01 02:05:23 PM

Jarhead_h: [www.opencarry.org image 500x358]


Texas and New York State both are equally restrictive on guns? I'm surprised.

Or that chart is ... something.
 
2013-01-01 02:07:50 PM

Thunderpipes: Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.


You do realize that they still have to take the classes, pass the tests and get insurance, right?
 
2013-01-01 02:10:24 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.

Yes, this all boils down to "my side vs. your side." The world we live in is a zero-sum game. Thanks for reminding me that "conservatives" don't have a habit of oversimplifying things.

Autoerotic asphyxiation? How does that even come into this discussion. Sounds like someone has pent up sexual issues. Whatever it is you're hiding deep within yourself, just admit it, you'll feel better.

Dr. Goldshnoz: You apparently got what you want and yet you sound so buttfrustrated.

No idea where you even came up with that. Keep gnashing those teeth.

Buttfrustrated? Sounds like another conservative who can't admit something to themselves. Just admit it, you'll feel better.


actually with our latest obsession with the "fiscal cliff" I can see how autoerotic asphyxiation is an apt comparison. Quite frankly with the debt to GDP ratio we are approaching I don't see how a default is avoidable when the majority of the US budget will be earmarked for interest payments alone. I understand "both sides are bad" and we often vote and support the lesser of two evils, but the wide approval ratings the President has, matching very closely to everyone who voted for him, I dont see how anyone who voted for him as any ground to stand on when the dollar collapses. And it will.
 
2013-01-01 02:11:30 PM
9 stories before this one tells of a shooting last night in Old Town Sacramento CA. Yea, what honest person needs to to be able to carry a weapon to protect them self????? Also, illigals getting drivers license???? Oh I'm sure they are going right out to buy insurance after they get a drivers license. Getting aid for tuition??? Yep, there goes the money that would have gone for a legal person to use for school. Just don't get some of you people.
 
2013-01-01 02:14:40 PM
Makes sense. Cali is the state with the most subhuman mongrels next to Jew York.
 
2013-01-01 02:16:54 PM

Spartan_Manhandler: Thunderpipes: Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.

You do realize that they still have to take the classes, pass the tests and get insurance, right?


When you say 'have', that implies they 'have' to comply with the law; but *illegal* aliens really don't *have* to comply with the law, as demonstrated by their illegal residency status. I'd imagine if our immigration laws are too difficult that they feel the need to disregard them, they'd likely respond the same way to our driving laws.
 
2013-01-01 02:21:27 PM

hasty ambush: kombat_unit: vygramul: kombat_unit: vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.

You see a rifle and are intimidated?

[s19.postimage.org image 234x156]

Being intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black is a Republican trait.

So, you and the democrat legislators that are "intimidated by the mere presence of something long and black" are republicans?

It is amazing that if you oppose anything the left wants to do now its being racist. Oppose tax increases-racist, oppose money for Solyndra, UAW or aboritons-racist. Oppose Obamacare-racist, Oppose gun control-racist.

If you continue to oveuse and misapply a term it beocmes meaningless.


I didn't call him racist, I implied his penis was tiny.
 
2013-01-01 02:21:50 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: JosephFinn: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?

Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?

Overly long? Possibly.
Racist? No.


Nothing inherently racist in setting quotas from different parts of the world, eh?

/yeah there is
//that's the definition of institutional racism
 
2013-01-01 02:24:52 PM

taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.


This.

Tell that teenage girl to put her foot down. 80 is too damn slow!

/usually drive the 210 from the 5 to Pasadena
//YMMV, but it's always a nice open drive for me.
 
2013-01-01 02:28:08 PM

kendelrio: Real Women Drink Akvavit:

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled
My mom wasn't exactly legal when she came over here from Norway  and I have no idea how she managed to pull it off to stay here, but suspect little fetus me being born on American soil was a big part of it. Same with my Gran just 10 years ago after her stroke, just without the little fetus part. Mom had to hire an immigration lawyer and we all moved in together to care for Gran, but we aren't a drain on society and we make it work. I am from a line of "illegal" aliens who became legal later. In any event, I would love to hear how some of these Christian "build a bigger fence!!!" types are ever going to justify to Jebus (if he ever shows up, which I highly doubt) how a person can be "illegal". I'm pretty sure Jebus didn't have a passport or visa.

/sorry for the rant
//I get cran ...

It's ok. Being from Norway you probably aren't brown.


Sadly enough, that thought has crossed my mind more than once.
 
2013-01-01 02:29:04 PM

ElBarto79: way south: Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.

Have you ever heard of armed robbery? Yes lots of stores have been robbed when there were people with rifles hanging out in the store, usually by the people carrying the rifles.

That's partly why this is such a problem, how are you supposed to tell the "good" guys carting a gun around from the "bad" guys carting guns around? Most people would be quite unsettled if they saw someone walk into a shop with an assault rifle and justifiably so.


[Citation needed]
Especially for the use of rifles in store robberies where the FBI believes its almost always pistols and knives.
Most people, to include cops, would note a difference in the amount of screaming and running between "crook robbing store" and "guy with rifle buying coffee". They could also tell if the customers aren't carrying them in their hands, pointing them at the cashier, having the magazines loaded etc...

/Most perps aren't sitting down for a sip with their weapons leaning against the table.
/the ones robbing the store will make it pretty apparent they're robbing the store.
/question is if they are choosing to rob the same stores as the guys enjoying a cup of joe with their rifles.
 
2013-01-01 02:29:45 PM

djkutch: Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.

This. I got hit by an illegal last week. He wanted me to come to his house so he could give me money. I said we had to call the police. He drove off while I took a pic of his license plate.

It's sorely testing me liberalism.


Practical reality will do that.
 
2013-01-01 02:37:00 PM

homelessdude: The Alamo Cafe in Alamo CA
(better link)


Dude! I had totally forgotten about that place!
 
2013-01-01 02:38:11 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: how a person can be "illegal"


This is overwrought.  It's not like referees are going to hell for saying "Illegal man downfield."
 
2013-01-01 02:50:24 PM
The west once allowed open carry, but people didn't like living that way so they outlawed it. So what's the excuse to overturn those laws? Because I want to? Not a good enough reason. And the second amendment doesn't ban outright restrictions on open carry, so don't bring it up. America had experience with open carry and it wasn't a good way to run society. It's not the wild west anymore
 
2013-01-01 02:55:49 PM

hundreddollarman: What's the point of openly carrying a firearm? You're just telling everyone "Hey, I'm an asshole with a gun and not afraid to show it off." And it's a good way to guarantee you'll get shot first or get your gun grabbed.


I feel the same way about jewelry or high-end electronics.

Let's ban them.
 
2013-01-01 02:56:17 PM

StopLurkListen: Jarhead_h: [www.opencarry.org image 500x358]

Texas and New York State both are equally restrictive on guns? I'm surprised.

Or that chart is ... something.


They are equally restrictive on carry. They differ in all kinds of ways. There's something like 30,000 firearms laws between the Federal government , states and counties and municipalities. It's almost as bad as alcohol.
 
2013-01-01 03:02:50 PM

hasty ambush: "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
― Tacitus, The Annals of Imperial Rome


Nice koan. Not true, but a nice koan.

"Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I would." (John Adams, Boston Gazette, Sept. 5, 1763, reprinted in The Works of John Adams 438 [Charles F. Adams ed., 1851])

The right to self-defense is universally recognized. Use of deadly force to protect mere property? That's debatable. Wait. He didn't talk about deadly force.

"Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self-defense." , (John AdamsA Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America [1787-1788])

Again, fine. That doesn't mean you're allowed to bring a rifle onto my property or into my coffee shop. No, you can't carry that around in public, either. Take that glaive home, too.

FFCRASH9: 9 stories before this one tells of a shooting last night in Old Town Sacramento CA. Yea, what honest person needs to to be able to carry a weapon to protect them self?


I'm sure the two innocent bystanders who were shot would not be wearing bullet holes if they'd been carrying firearms.
Are you really that asinine or are you just portraying a potato on Fark?
 
2013-01-01 03:05:34 PM
Thank goodness. Now all those people who weren't hurting anybody are... well, farkum, right?
 
2013-01-01 03:05:35 PM
Watch wages remain stagnant and ask why. Dumb liberals.
 
2013-01-01 03:06:26 PM

way south: ElBarto79: way south: Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.

Have you ever heard of armed robbery? Yes lots of stores have been robbed when there were people with rifles hanging out in the store, usually by the people carrying the rifles.

That's partly why this is such a problem, how are you supposed to tell the "good" guys carting a gun around from the "bad" guys carting guns around? Most people would be quite unsettled if they saw someone walk into a shop with an assault rifle and justifiably so.

[Citation needed]
Especially for the use of rifles in store robberies where the FBI believes its almost always pistols and knives.
Most people, to include cops, would note a difference in the amount of screaming and running between "crook robbing store" and "guy with rifle buying coffee". They could also tell if the customers aren't carrying them in their hands, pointing them at the cashier, having the magazines loaded etc...

/Most perps aren't sitting down for a sip with their weapons leaning against the table.
/the ones robbing the store will make it pretty apparent they're robbing the store.
/question is if they are choosing to rob the same stores as the guys enjoying a cup of joe with their rifles.


You need a citation to prove that assault rifles are used in robberies? You can google it yourself and find plenty of examples.

Even if a gun with no magazine could still have one in the chamber.

If it's legal to stroll into a shop with an assault rifle then a clever criminal could just walk in pretending to be open-carrying. He could hang out until the opportune moment when he whips his gun around and robs the place, or he could just leave if it doesn't feel right. What if 3 guys stroll into a bank with rifles? Are they getting ready to rob the place or are they just there to deposit some checks? What if it's snowing outside and they all happen to be wearing facemasks? It's not illegal to wear a mask, and it's not illegal to have a gun, so what do we do? Nothing? And just hope they aren't preparing to rob the place?

This is not the kind of community *most* people want to live in and this is not the kind of thought process *most* of us want to have to go through when we're simply trying to go about our business and live our lives. The only people that favor this kind of society are the gun nuts who have watched too many Schwarzeneggar movies and fancy themselves to be some kind of hero, when in actuality most of them would probably poop their pants if they were in a real shootout.
 
2013-01-01 03:08:05 PM
I propose a compromise.

Let's allow the brandishing of rifles in public, but only for the purpose of intimidating businesses into not hiring undocumented workers.

That would solve both problems real quick. (Unless you're one of the folks who believe that people are risking their lives to smuggle their kids into East LA's public schools.)
 
2013-01-01 03:09:14 PM

Orgasmatron138: Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?


Why in the frak would you need an armed guard at an elementary school?
 
2013-01-01 03:19:03 PM

GORDON: Orgasmatron138: Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?

Why in the frak would you need an armed guard at an elementary school?


Note that the rifle at a coffee shop had to be unloaded even before the more recent ban.
 
2013-01-01 03:22:08 PM

Champion of the Sun: The west once allowed open carry, but people didn't like living that way so they outlawed it. So what's the excuse to overturn those laws? Because I want to? Not a good enough reason. And the second amendment doesn't ban outright restrictions on open carry, so don't bring it up. America had experience with open carry and it wasn't a good way to run society. It's not the wild west anymore


There were some open carry restrictions in colonial times, too, not just in the West.

It should be noted that even in VA, home of the NRA, you can't open carry a loaded longarm.
 
2013-01-01 03:30:58 PM

Xythero: ftfa: "Controversy surrounded the bid to permit perhaps hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants to qualify for state driver's licenses. The new law applies to those given a work permit as part of an Obama administration program that suspends deportation for many people who arrived illegally as children."

How are you still illegal or undocumented if you have a work permit? Seems like that would move you into the documented category.



Obama is dictator, that's how.

/Suck it, legislative branch
 
2013-01-01 03:40:43 PM

Thunderpipes: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.


I imagine they would. Have you ever tried to use a texting teen to beat someone to death?
 
2013-01-01 03:48:55 PM
Geez, can't carry firearms in the open anymore? Time to get a concealed handgun permit. A gal I know who manages a bike shop, she has a velcro holder on her backpack, and rides with her pistol in the open. She tells me it cuts down on driver anti social behavior. Hmmm, I don't know about that.
Insofar as insurance goes for illegals, I'm all for it.Drivers licenses, not so much.
In state tuition? My son wanted to go to U.T. Austin, but he'd have to pay out of state tuition (about 3x more than in state), whereas someone who just came over in a turnip truck from XXX country only has to pay in state tuition). The law should stipulate " You can't pay, you can't stay". I paid for my own Acreditted science degree, they can do the same. So what if they have to work 3 jobs? It's not a right, but a priviledge. How many generations of Americans before have worked hard, to realize the dream of a college education?
There are too many "Bullshiat" laws out there. Pretty soon it'll get to the point you can't run someone down in a Walmart parking lot.
i1.kym-cdn.com

/*sigh*
 
2013-01-01 03:49:33 PM

Dante87336: hasty ambush:

If you continue to oveuse and misapply a term it beocmes meaningless.

Yes, like "party of personal responsibility" and "reducing the deficit".


Or being "pro choice" except when it comes to things like schools or gun ownership .

Then there is that whole thing about "change" and "transparency". Of course we cannot forget about "paying their fair share".
 
2013-01-01 03:52:12 PM

clowncar on fire: Thunderpipes: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.

I imagine they would. Have you ever tried to use a texting teen to beat someone to death?


Or is it: Given the choice between killing Californians or killing texting teens using a car as a weapon, illegal aliens prefer killing Californians. I always figured givien a choice, killing a texting teen would be the obvious choice but apparently Californians get under car driving illegal alien populace a bit more.
 
2013-01-01 03:59:37 PM

Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.


Well, I'm sure we could quickly retire all that debt by having people bring rifles into coffee shops.
 
2013-01-01 04:05:35 PM

Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.


And how will allowing people to carry guns into coffee shops fix the debt?
 
2013-01-01 04:06:07 PM

ElBarto79: way south: ElBarto79: way south: Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.

Have you ever heard of armed robbery? Yes lots of stores have been robbed when there were people with rifles hanging out in the store, usually by the people carrying the rifles.

That's partly why this is such a problem, how are you supposed to tell the "good" guys carting a gun around from the "bad" guys carting guns around? Most people would be quite unsettled if they saw someone walk into a shop with an assault rifle and justifiably so.

[Citation needed]
Especially for the use of rifles in store robberies where the FBI believes its almost always pistols and knives.
Most people, to include cops, would note a difference in the amount of screaming and running between "crook robbing store" and "guy with rifle buying coffee". They could also tell if the customers aren't carrying them in their hands, pointing them at the cashier, having the magazines loaded etc...

/Most perps aren't sitting down for a sip with their weapons leaning against the table.
/the ones robbing the store will make it pretty apparent they're robbing the store.
/question is if they are choosing to rob the same stores as the guys enjoying a cup of joe with their rifles.

You need a citation to prove that assault rifles are used in robberies? You can google it yourself and find plenty of examples.

Even if a gun with no magazine could still have one in the chamber.

If it's legal to stroll into a shop with an assault rifle then a clever criminal could just walk in pretending to be open-carrying. He could hang out until the opportune moment when he whips his gun around and robs the place, or he could just leave if it doesn't feel right. What if 3 guys stroll into a bank with rifles? Ar ...


Yes, I would like a citation for when an assault rifle has been used in a robbery. Because the last incident that comes to mind is the north Hollywood shoot out, and the crooks weren't coy about their true intentions.

It's not like you've got to trick your way into a roadside establishment. People will figure out what's up long before you start swinging the broomstick around, and you aren't going stuff it under your trench coat and slink away from the cops.
Crooks simply aren't big on assault rifles.

The problem I see here is people looking for something to blame and going after what the movies and media suggest is the threat rather than an actual threat.
The big evil .50bmg rifle makes every ban-fans wish list, despite never actually being used in a crime. The black rifle makes the news maybe once a year due to some madman, and now its a threat to every convenience store that was never robbed by one.

Some people fear rifles like others fear dogs, and want every possible control in place despite no real threat existing.
It's an inefficient use of the legislators time. Just tell them to man up.
 
2013-01-01 04:07:15 PM

Ex-Texan: Geez, can't carry firearms in the open anymore? Time to get a concealed handgun permit. A gal I know who manages a bike shop, she has a velcro holder on her backpack, and rides with her pistol in the open. She tells me it cuts down on driver anti social behavior. Hmmm, I don't know about that.


I don't know about that either. I mean, a car can still plow her under from behind if the driver is crazed enough, and how will her gun strapped to her backpack do anything other than get plowed under too?
 
2013-01-01 04:12:14 PM

Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.


nothing was ever stopping illegal aliens from getting insurance. you don't need a license to insure a car. never have needed one.
they don't get it because they are in large part a bunch of poor people from third world hell holes.
they still won't get insurance.
and you need to rethink your idea that importing a couple million poor workers a year to compete with our own poor is the way to prosperity in general.
 
2013-01-01 04:12:49 PM

r1niceboy: You need a drivers license to buy insurance, so I'm okay with illegal immigrants getting them. But if pointless stances are the only way you get your johnson hard, I'm willing to let the roads be more dangerous. They may take our jerbs, but they'll never take our...


Yup, the problem in California hasn't been that "oh noes illegals dunno how to drive as gud as 'mericans!" it's been, that they don't have any damn insurance. What this means is that out of all the illegals that were not insured before (which would be about 100% of them) some of them will now be insured. Hurrah.

On the flip side, I lived in CA for 10 years and had been rear-ended twice. Both by soccer moms in SUV's at a red light who rolled into me because they turned around to smack one of their crotchfruit for acting up.
 
2013-01-01 04:15:58 PM
Krieghund: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

This.

Tell that teenage girl to put her foot down. 80 is too damn slow!

/usually drive the 210 from the 5 to Pasadena
//YMMV, but it's always a nice open drive for me.


You're not one of the idiots who drive 75 mph or faster in the #4 lane? You're making merging onto the 210 East from Pennsylvania dangerous and impossible...
 
2013-01-01 04:36:40 PM

way south: Yes, I would like a citation for when an assault rifle has been used in a robbery. Because the last incident that comes to mind is the north Hollywood shoot out, and the crooks weren't coy about their true intentions.


Yours' is kind of the typical republican jam your head in the sand approach; the only way to continue with a flawed argument is to intentionally avoid learning any of the facts surrounding it.

Two Men Sentenced After Robbery With Assault Rifle
Man charged in robbery involving assault rifle
Robbers use skeleton masks, assault rifle
Man, 26, accused of brandishing assault weapon during robbery
Men rob Hall County bank with assault rifle
Detroit AK-47 Robbery Could Be Linked To Previous Gas Station Hold-Ups
Two suspects sought in Newport bank robbery
These are just a few of the first results to pop up in a 2 minute google search.
 
2013-01-01 04:39:02 PM

hasty ambush: Or being "pro choice" except when it comes to things like schools or gun ownership .


Pro-choice refers only to abortion. But it figures that someone like you would interpret it to mean, "Hey, this means that I get to do anything I want, all the time, and fark everybody else!" Because that's how people like you think.

"Government out of our lives" on the other hand, means--well, that covers just about everything, doesn't it? Except for when they want the government in our lives to stop abortions, gay marriage, pot-smoking, or whatever else the morality police don't approve of. All those things, BTW, have an impact on individual lives and almost none on the people who choose not to do them. Is that how high-powered weapons in the hands of nutcases work, too?
 
2013-01-01 04:40:35 PM

cryinoutloud: hasty ambush: Or being "pro choice" except when it comes to things like schools or gun ownership .

Pro-choice refers only to abortion. But it figures that someone like you would interpret it to mean, "Hey, this means that I get to do anything I want, all the time, and fark everybody else!" Because that's how people like you think.

"Government out of our lives" on the other hand, means--well, that covers just about everything, doesn't it? Except for when they want the government in our lives to stop abortions, gay marriage, pot-smoking, or whatever else the morality police don't approve of. All those things, BTW, have an impact on individual lives and almost none on the people who choose not to do them. Is that how high-powered weapons in the hands of nutcases work, too?


what about keyboard cat??
 
2013-01-01 04:41:29 PM

cryinoutloud: Pro-choice refers only to abortion.


And pro-life refers only to abortion.
 
2013-01-01 04:43:41 PM

relcec: Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.

nothing was ever stopping illegal aliens from getting insurance. you don't need a license to insure a car. never have needed one.
they don't get it because they are in large part a bunch of poor people from third world hell holes.
they still won't get insurance.
and you need to rethink your idea that importing a couple million poor workers a year to compete with our own poor is the way to prosperity in general.


I haven't checked my policy in a while, but I'm pretty sure you have to be a licensed driver to get coverage.
 
2013-01-01 04:59:11 PM

StoPPeRmobile: hundreddollarman: What's the point of openly carrying a firearm? You're just telling everyone "Hey, I'm an asshole with a gun and not afraid to show it off." And it's a good way to guarantee you'll get shot first or get your gun grabbed.

I feel the same way about jewelry or high-end electronics.

Let's ban them.


Jewelry and electronics can be worn discreetly. Lay off the rap videos, Tyrone.
 
2013-01-01 05:01:21 PM

hasty ambush: Nem Wan: Inability to operate a motor vehicle safely should be the only reason to deny a drivers license. Citizenship is irrelevant to driving.

You are familiar with the motor voter law are you not?


Following motor vehicle laws largely overlaps with being a safe driver.
 
2013-01-01 05:15:46 PM

Jarhead_h: StopLurkListen: Jarhead_h: [www.opencarry.org image 500x358]

Texas and New York State both are equally restrictive on guns? I'm surprised.

Or that chart is ... something.

They are equally restrictive on carry. They differ in all kinds of ways. There's something like 30,000 firearms laws between the Federal government , states and counties and municipalities. It's almost as bad as alcohol.


Ah, thank you.
 
2013-01-01 05:15:50 PM

ElBarto79: way south: Yes, I would like a citation for when an assault rifle has been used in a robbery. Because the last incident that comes to mind is the north Hollywood shoot out, and the crooks weren't coy about their true intentions.

Yours' is kind of the typical republican jam your head in the sand approach; the only way to continue with a flawed argument is to intentionally avoid learning any of the facts surrounding it.

Two Men Sentenced After Robbery With Assault Rifle
Man charged in robbery involving assault rifle
Robbers use skeleton masks, assault rifle
Man, 26, accused of brandishing assault weapon during robbery
Men rob Hall County bank with assault rifle
Detroit AK-47 Robbery Could Be Linked To Previous Gas Station Hold-Ups
Two suspects sought in Newport bank robbery
These are just a few of the first results to pop up in a 2 minute google search.


None of which involved assault rifles.
This isnt me just being pedantic about the term assault rifle, I'm also implying that the criminals won't be affected or discouraged by this law more than they would by the sight of armed customers.

How does a law against bringing an unloaded weapon into a building affect someone who brings a loaded weapon with the intention of robbery?
All it seems to do is remove the only thing that would drive them away, short of seeing an armed cop.
 
2013-01-01 06:17:37 PM
Yep.  Raising taxes to fix the budget problems will work just as well as it did the past several dozens (hundreds) this was done.

Here's how California politicians think (and I use the word "think" loosely).  "ZOMG! We need to raise taxes so we can balance the budget!"  "We have more tax revenue, we can spend more on stupid shiat!"
 
2013-01-01 06:22:40 PM
You want to know why they like undocumented and illegal aliens? They still pay their taxes, but don't get a refund. Ever.

Frankly, I am all for letting them get licenses and car insurance.

Also, while I am an avid supporter of the second amendment, idiots like that at coffee shops should not be let out of the house.
 
2013-01-01 06:24:05 PM
So how long until you need to get a 'permit' to speak your opinions in public, and that permit is issued on a 'case by case' basis by a government body with no appeal process? Sounds crazy, but consider this: California has already done that with the 2nd amendment, so why not do it with the 1st?
 
2013-01-01 06:31:29 PM

MylesHeartVodak: You want to know why they like undocumented and illegal aliens? They still pay their taxes, but don't get a refund. Ever.


Not the ones that get paid cash under the table.
 
2013-01-01 06:35:13 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: david_gaithersburg: So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.

Nah. We get this weird thing where we will usually (but not always) elect either a Republican governor and a Democratic state legislature or the other way 'round, so nothing really gets done. This means we voters say things like "What? A new law about being nice to chickens that will cost us elebentygazillion dollars in ten years? I'm so totally gonna vote for that, dudes!" and then the legislature gets nothing done, then the bonds for transportation projects have to be paid off, then the folks down in places like San Diego get their panties in a wad over taxes... you can see where that one is going. Add to that hot mess the fact we're a donor state - we pay more to the feds as a state than we get in things like federal highway funds, just so places like  Mississippi, which is considered a welfare state as they are poor bastids, can get their roads paved, and we're pretty much screwed.

I'm OK with illegal aliens getting driver's licenses and highly approve of this. You need to have a license to get auto insurance, and if I'm peacefully skating up the street and someone nails me with their car, someone's going to have to pay that hospital bill, if I survive. I hope they have  insurance and since our migrant farm workers drive whether they have a license or not, give them the damn license so I can have my medical bills paid.  The long  rifle thing though? I have frequently had the urge to take a rifle with me to Starbucks, I've just never done it. That's why I usually go to Peet's Coffee and Tea instead.

/Barnes and  Noble has a Starbucks in it, so it's hard to avoid the place while book shopping sometimes


Yes, I've disliked running into so many gun-toting latte drinkers while shopping at the bookstore, so this law is good.

Why the rest of America has such a tizzy fit about California acknowledging that we've got lots of undocumented immigrants and we'd rather just cope with the problem than flop around screaming ZOMG ILLEGALS I can't comprehend. They're here and they're not leaving and I'd just as soon they had to take the driving test and carry car insurance so when they get in car accidents the victim is covered and not on the hook for the whole loss. Then MY car insurance might go down.
 
2013-01-01 07:05:24 PM

utah dude: why go we care about california, again? let them worry about their own problems,they're exceedingly complex, liberalized, and will probably go thorough a series of revision cycles to correct their overdose of laws to an appropriate level.


One of the largest economies in the world. Provides lots of tax dollars to support all y'all red-statin' gubmint-hatin' real muricans.
 
2013-01-01 07:11:30 PM

sseye: utah dude: why go we care about california, again? let them worry about their own problems,they're exceedingly complex, liberalized, and will probably go thorough a series of revision cycles to correct their overdose of laws to an appropriate level.

One of the largest economies in the world. Provides lots of tax dollars to support all y'all red-statin' gubmint-hatin' real muricans.



Plus they grow lots of food and great weed.

/Or so I'm told
 
2013-01-01 07:34:28 PM

Thunderpipes: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.


i1190.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-01 07:36:58 PM

sseye: utah dude: why go we care about california, again? let them worry about their own problems,they're exceedingly complex, liberalized, and will probably go thorough a series of revision cycles to correct their overdose of laws to an appropriate level.

One of the largest economies in the world. Provides lots of tax dollars to support all y'all red-statin' gubmint-hatin' real muricans.


with a huge debt. um...a credit card isn't an 'economy', hmm,o.k, legislature, um-kay?
 
2013-01-01 07:43:02 PM

utah dude: sseye: utah dude: why go we care about california, again? let them worry about their own problems,they're exceedingly complex, liberalized, and will probably go thorough a series of revision cycles to correct their overdose of laws to an appropriate level.

One of the largest economies in the world. Provides lots of tax dollars to support all y'all red-statin' gubmint-hatin' real muricans.

with a huge debt. um...a credit card isn't an 'economy', hmm,o.k, legislature, um-kay?


Too lazy to go out for your Medicaid refills today?
 
2013-01-01 07:44:15 PM

r1niceboy: You need a drivers license to buy insurance, so I'm okay with illegal immigrants getting them. But if pointless stances are the only way you get your johnson hard, I'm willing to let the roads be more dangerous. They may take our jerbs, but they'll never take our...


Cops aren't allowed to arrest illegals who have no insurance if they're in LA or SF among other sanctuary cities. They will not buy any.
 
2013-01-01 08:08:49 PM
fark California. I think it is hilarious that my state is stealing their business with our tax laws for movie makers.
 
2013-01-01 09:39:42 PM

djkutch: Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.

This. I got hit by an illegal last week. He wanted me to come to his house so he could give me money. I said we had to call the police. He drove off while I took a pic of his license plate.

It's sorely testing me liberalism.


Was he offering you fair value for your dent or whatever? Because I hate to break it to you, but a car accident is a civil debt, not a crime, and cash is an acceptable and legal means to liquidate it.
 
2013-01-01 09:47:42 PM
GORDON
Why in the frak would you need an armed guard at an elementary school?


I saw all the hysteria over the suggestions to put armed guards in schools,well,the Albuquerque Public School district has had their own armed police force for a number of years now.
 
2013-01-01 10:11:49 PM
I'm still seeing a lot of "if you want to be gay and get married, move to a state that allows it"

Why doesn't that work in regards to gun control?

Oh, whats that? It's not really a good argument after all?
 
2013-01-01 11:05:10 PM

utah dude: sseye: utah dude: why go we care about california, again? let them worry about their own problems,they're exceedingly complex, liberalized, and will probably go thorough a series of revision cycles to correct their overdose of laws to an appropriate level.

One of the largest economies in the world. Provides lots of tax dollars to support all y'all red-statin' gubmint-hatin' real muricans.

with a huge debt. um...a credit card isn't an 'economy', hmm,o.k, legislature, um-kay?



The illegals.

Part of the collateral, one might presume.
 
2013-01-01 11:36:11 PM

nardman: djkutch: Deadwing: If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.

This. I got hit by an illegal last week. He wanted me to come to his house so he could give me money. I said we had to call the police. He drove off while I took a pic of his license plate.

It's sorely testing me liberalism.

Was he offering you fair value for your dent or whatever? Because I hate to break it to you, but a car accident is a civil debt, not a crime, and cash is an acceptable and legal means to liquidate it.


Leaving the scene of an accident is a crime however. Just offering money and driving away absolves the illegal of nothing. So...bonus, a twofer in the crime department.
 
2013-01-02 05:36:34 AM
Meh, I'm more worried about what people do with cars and firearms while drunk, than any of this.
 
2013-01-02 06:28:18 AM
hooray california!!
how progressive of you
enjoy your crushing debt, and your murders along the border
maybe the growing mexican gangs ARE the workforce solution!

-my aura smiles and never frowns-
 
2013-01-02 10:46:02 AM

Jz4p: Meh, I'm more worried about what people do with cars and firearms while drunk, than any of this.


LOL...the other night I was awakened by loud knocking sounds. I actually got up and checked the door before noticing it was right at midnight. Then it dawned on me...it was new year's and one of the neighbors got loaded and then unloaded to celebrate. ;)
 
2013-01-02 12:09:36 PM

mark12A: Why the fark do you need a rifle at a coffee shop?

Is there a problem with having a rifle at a coffee shop?


Yes. Only an asshole would bring a rifle to a coffee shop.
 
2013-01-02 01:15:30 PM
Did you read the rest of the new laws? I thought most of them were pretty good

"Foreclosures: A tenant renting a property that is in foreclosure may keep possession of it until the lease expires"

"Privacy: University officials and private employers are forbidden to ask students, workers or job applicants for their email passwords or those for social media accounts such as Twitter and Facebook."

Especially this one: "Red-light cameras: New statewide guidelines prohibit use of the cameras primarily to raise revenue and make it easier for drivers to challenge tickets issued on evidence from the devices."
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-02 09:04:43 PM
Palfas

The red light camera bill, filed to protect drivers, was rewritten by camera company lobbyists and that description is optimistic. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/39/3954.asp
 
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