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(LA Times)   You can no longer openly carry your rifle into a coffee shop in California, and the next illegal alien to run you over might have a legal driver's license. Happy 2013   (timelines.latimes.com) divider line 177
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2013-01-01 11:26:21 AM  
good
 
2013-01-01 11:28:26 AM  
This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.
 
2013-01-01 11:30:56 AM  
Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.
 
2013-01-01 11:32:22 AM  
ftfa: "Controversy surrounded the bid to permit perhaps hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants to qualify for state driver's licenses. The new law applies to those given a work permit as part of an Obama administration program that suspends deportation for many people who arrived illegally as children."

How are you still illegal or undocumented if you have a work permit? Seems like that would move you into the documented category.
 
2013-01-01 11:32:35 AM  
So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.
 
2013-01-01 11:32:37 AM  

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.


The same thing can be said for the giving of driver's licenses and financial aid to illegal aliens.
 
2013-01-01 11:33:18 AM  
Just out of curiosity, have any of those coffee shops been robbed while people with unloaded rifles were hanging around?
Cause I'm failing to see the real urgency for a law there.

/and ditto on the illegal immigrants thing. Teenagers are more dangerous than licensed foreigners.
 
2013-01-01 11:33:51 AM  
If it allows illegal aliens to get car insurance, then I'm all for it.
 
2013-01-01 11:35:35 AM  
[imokaywiththis.jpg]

/CA resident
 
2013-01-01 11:36:18 AM  
Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?
 
2013-01-01 11:36:46 AM  
and you can't get into a "coffee-shop" at all in the nederlands any more, unless you're dutch... god damn it all, world!
 
2013-01-01 11:36:48 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.


The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.
 
2013-01-01 11:36:53 AM  
No me gusta illegal immigrants.
 
2013-01-01 11:37:13 AM  
Again, I'm so glad I don't live in California.

/or New York, Connecticut, or Massachusetts
 
2013-01-01 11:37:22 AM  
Not sure why you need your rifle at Starbucks. Also not bothered by licensed drivers.
 
2013-01-01 11:37:45 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.


You apparently got what you want and yet you sound so buttfrustrated.
 
2013-01-01 11:37:52 AM  
FTFA:   The courts have been enlisted in a dispute over a new law prohibiting the practice of "conversion therapy" on minors in an effort to change their sexual orientation from gay to straight. Judges have disagreed over its merits, but a federal appeals court has blocked the law from taking effect.

Hard to believe this didn't pass with that contentious mass of laws, it sounds positively Victorian.
 
2013-01-01 11:38:53 AM  

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.


It helps maintain an underclass of people who will work for pennies.
 
2013-01-01 11:39:17 AM  

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?


Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?
 
2013-01-01 11:39:22 AM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Not sure why you need your rifle at Starbucks. Also not bothered by licensed drivers.


You poach Stardoes, don't you?
 
2013-01-01 11:40:16 AM  

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


Because people may have started to realize that this is not a problem that can be solved with "deport everyone" and has more grey areas like "illegal immigrant that was brought here as a child with no real understanding of what the implications are".

We might actually be approaching a real compromise to the problem, but not without one or two great derps to come out of it. And those derps shall be great and terrible.
 
2013-01-01 11:40:26 AM  

Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.


You do know the difference between a government and a business, right? Governments can run in the red.
 
2013-01-01 11:40:44 AM  
you can always trot on over to Nevada if you need your extension gun always out for everyone to see.
 
2013-01-01 11:41:48 AM  

taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.


Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.
 
2013-01-01 11:42:24 AM  

JosephFinn: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition?

Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


Overly long? Possibly.
Racist? No.
 
2013-01-01 11:43:14 AM  

generallyso: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

It helps maintain an underclass of people who will work for pennies.


Not true any longer. The mexicans have taken all the blue collar jobs once held by hard working middle class citizens. We are witnessing the end of the United States as it once was.
 
2013-01-01 11:43:44 AM  
I guess the guy in Sacramento just wanted to brandish his gun one last time.
 
2013-01-01 11:45:54 AM  
You need a drivers license to buy insurance, so I'm okay with illegal immigrants getting them. But if pointless stances are the only way you get your johnson hard, I'm willing to let the roads be more dangerous. They may take our jerbs, but they'll never take our...
 
2013-01-01 11:46:15 AM  

Tank_Fuzzbutt: We are witnessing the end of the United States as it once was.


The end of what, precisely?
 
2013-01-01 11:46:29 AM  

david_gaithersburg: So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.


Nah. We get this weird thing where we will usually (but not always) elect either a Republican governor and a Democratic state legislature or the other way 'round, so nothing really gets done. This means we voters say things like "What? A new law about being nice to chickens that will cost us elebentygazillion dollars in ten years? I'm so totally gonna vote for that, dudes!" and then the legislature gets nothing done, then the bonds for transportation projects have to be paid off, then the folks down in places like San Diego get their panties in a wad over taxes... you can see where that one is going. Add to that hot mess the fact we're a donor state - we pay more to the feds as a state than we get in things like federal highway funds, just so places like  Mississippi, which is considered a welfare state as they are poor bastids, can get their roads paved, and we're pretty much screwed.

I'm OK with illegal aliens getting driver's licenses and highly approve of this. You need to have a license to get auto insurance, and if I'm peacefully skating up the street and someone nails me with their car, someone's going to have to pay that hospital bill, if I survive. I hope they have  insurance and since our migrant farm workers drive whether they have a license or not, give them the damn license so I can have my medical bills paid.  The long  rifle thing though? I have frequently had the urge to take a rifle with me to Starbucks, I've just never done it. That's why I usually go to Peet's Coffee and Tea instead.

/Barnes and  Noble has a Starbucks in it, so it's hard to avoid the place while book shopping sometimes
 
2013-01-01 11:48:27 AM  

Thunderpipes: taxandspend: I'm more worried about the teenage girl texting on her phone while doing 80 on the 210 than I am of an illegal alien running me over.

Illegal aliens kill many more people in CA with car crashes than texting teens.


of course you have proof of this right? I mean, given that you're such an esteemed member of this site and all, surely you would never say something without the evidence to back it up.
 
2013-01-01 11:48:36 AM  

Xythero: ftfa: "Controversy surrounded the bid to permit perhaps hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants to qualify for state driver's licenses. The new law applies to those given a work permit as part of an Obama administration program that suspends deportation for many people who arrived illegally as children."

How are you still illegal or undocumented if you have a work permit? Seems like that would move you into the documented category.


Shhhhhhhhhh..... Your logic is ruining the hate-fest...
 
2013-01-01 11:48:39 AM  
But I modified my long gun to work as a walking cane. I now have the ADA on my side.:b
 
2013-01-01 11:48:52 AM  

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?


Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.
 
2013-01-01 11:49:05 AM  
Well that's it then. I'll be sitting in a fine California coffee shop, just sipping a coffee, and an illegal Mexican (but with a driver's license!) will come in and start mopping the floor, and I won't even be able to shoot him.

Land of fruits and nuts, I tell you what.
 
2013-01-01 11:49:17 AM  
That's nothing. in North Carolina it is now a felony if you steal $1000 worth of used restaurant grease.
 
2013-01-01 11:50:59 AM  

JosephFinn: Tanthalas39: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Cry, subby. The nation is leaving you and your outdated ideals behind.

The nation is also sixteen trillion dollars in debt, and spent 1.1T more in 2012 than it received. Don't call one side stupid while your side is engaged in autoerotic asphyxiation.

You do know the difference between a government and a business, right? Governments can run in the red.


For how long?
 
2013-01-01 11:51:31 AM  

JosephFinn: Practicality. Why treat residents of your state as criminals simply because they bypassed a racist and hideously overlong immigration process?


Pfff... America has one of the laxest and least enforced immigration policies in the world. The process is laborious for legal immigrants because of the sheer influx of illegals gumming up the system.

vygramul: This is what happens when you abuse a convenience and the largesse of society.  What was allowed as a nod to convenient transportation of rifles was used as an intimidation tactic and political statement, and so the privilege was revoked.  Nice job.


Nobody abused a convenience. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
2013-01-01 11:52:24 AM  

cryinoutloud: Well that's it then. I'll be sitting in a fine California coffee shop, just sipping a coffee, and an illegal Mexican (but with a driver's license!) will come in and start mopping the floor, and I won't even be able to shoot him.

Land of fruits and nuts, I tell you what.


It's a mixed trail.
 
2013-01-01 11:53:16 AM  

Dante87336: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?

Because people may have started to realize that this is not a problem that can be solved with "deport everyone" and has more grey areas like "illegal immigrant that was brought here as a child with no real understanding of what the implications are".

We might actually be approaching a real compromise to the problem, but not without one or two great derps to come out of it. And those derps shall be great and terrible.


It just seems crazy, either get these individuals documented and legal, whether it's short term, long term or permanent, or don't and get rid of them.

It all seems an effort to side step the real issue of the immigration policy.

It's like fat chicks buying themselves new earrings that they think make them look slimmer. No, you're still fat, address your diet and exercise, and stop the run around.

I can understand the problem more than many probably can. I'm an American by birth, but have gone through immigration/documentation twice for two several year stints elsewhere for work. The first place, someone messed up my paperwork, and I was told to either leave (I had already been there 1.5 years) or face deportation. Second one went smoother, and only recently ended, but the anxiety over the situation sucked. I'm not going to do that again, and my empathy goes out for for those who have to do it, or live in similar (or worse) circumstances.
 
2013-01-01 11:53:36 AM  
why go we care about california, again? let them worry about their own problems,they're exceedingly complex, liberalized, and will probably go thorough a series of revision cycles to correct their overdose of laws to an appropriate level.
 
2013-01-01 11:54:55 AM  

TheHumanCannonball: It's like fat chicks buying themselves new earrings that they think make them look slimmer. No, you're still fat, address your diet and exercise, and stop the run around.


MODS: why can't we add the article tags to threads? this one deserves 'hero'.
 
2013-01-01 11:56:03 AM  

stuffy: But I modified my long gun to work as a walking cane. I now have the ADA on my side.:b


dude i was gunna say that.
 
2013-01-01 11:56:06 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: david_gaithersburg: So CA must now be out of debt and flush with cash.

Nah. We get this weird thing where we will usually (but not always) elect either a Republican governor and a Democratic state legislature or the other way 'round, so nothing really gets done. This means we voters say things like "What? A new law about being nice to chickens that will cost us elebentygazillion dollars in ten years? I'm so totally gonna vote for that, dudes!" and then the legislature gets nothing done, then the bonds for transportation projects have to be paid off, then the folks down in places like San Diego get their panties in a wad over taxes... you can see where that one is going. Add to that hot mess the fact we're a donor state - we pay more to the feds as a state than we get in things like federal highway funds, just so places like  Mississippi, which is considered a welfare state as they are poor bastids, can get their roads paved, and we're pretty much screwed.

I'm OK with illegal aliens getting driver's licenses and highly approve of this. You need to have a license to get auto insurance, and if I'm peacefully skating up the street and someone nails me with their car, someone's going to have to pay that hospital bill, if I survive. I hope they have  insurance and since our migrant farm workers drive whether they have a license or not, give them the damn license so I can have my medical bills paid.  The long  rifle thing though? I have frequently had the urge to take a rifle with me to Starbucks, I've just never done it. That's why I usually go to Peet's Coffee and Tea instead.

/Barnes and  Noble has a Starbucks in it, so it's hard to avoid the place while book shopping sometimes


what kind of delusional mind thinks someone who is hiding is going to expose themselves and voluntarily pay money when they can simply ignore the laws and know that they will face zero enforcement?
 
2013-01-01 11:56:47 AM  

Tank_Fuzzbutt: generallyso: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

It helps maintain an underclass of people who will work for pennies.

Not true any longer. The mexicans have taken all the blue collar jobs once held by hard working middle class citizens. We are witnessing the end of the United States as it once was.


Mexicans are taking jobs that Americans don't want or are willing to do. Usually at minimum wage and no benefits.
They usually take the "no skills required" positions.
 
2013-01-01 11:58:57 AM  

stirfrybry: what kind of delusional mind thinks someone who is hiding is going to expose themselves and voluntarily pay money when they can simply ignore the laws and know that they will face zero enforcement?


Asked and answered.
 
2013-01-01 11:59:45 AM  
So, to summarize:

-illegal intruders get more rights, like drivers licenses

-legal citizens get less rights, like more unnecessary restrictions on their gun rights

I really have to wonder whose side the California politicians are on. They smell like traitors to me.
 
2013-01-01 12:00:06 PM  

thornhill: TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing. Or just deport them.

Are they going to deport illegals with driving licenses and those currently enrolled at a state school? If not, then doesn't that seem like a loophole, they're still illegal? If so, doesn't that seem like a waste of money to give them access to these resources, only to kick them out?

Illegals clean our homes, mow our lawns, and pick our crops -- they're integrated members of our society and economy. It's a horribly racist double standard to refuse to deport them because we want them doing these jobs at a low wages, and then claim they shouldn't be in this country so we need to marginalize them as much as possible. You cannot have it both ways. We clearly want them here, so let's extend to them they same rights and privileges that everyone else gets.


Are you one of the idiots that screams about "fair wages" while you support illegal workers supplanting domestic workers and driving down the wages you claim to want to see rise?
 
2013-01-01 12:00:19 PM  

vudukungfu: good


This. The only law I disagree with is the one regarding underage killers.
 
2013-01-01 12:01:12 PM  

TheHumanCannonball: Why are they giving illegal aliens driving licenses and allowing them to qualify for state tuition? Why not work on either having them become legal residents or citizens, then you can, you know, tax them, and spend less money on deportation and processing.


You don't seem to realize that those are the same thing - giving them the ability to get driver's licenses and allowing them access to state tuition rates is helping them to become taxable, legal citizens with useful skills a future, not a burdensome underclass.

Yes, there is a paperwork an citizenship process that needs to be fixed and followed, but that's a minor element to actually creating a productive citizen-bound immigrant population.
 
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