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(WorldNetDaily)   The Trans-Texas Corridor is not dead. It's been biding its time, gathering strength, waiting to burst out of Rick Perry's chest and devour us all   (wnd.com) divider line 123
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2013-01-01 11:13:05 AM
Who keeps submitting these WND threads?
 
2013-01-01 11:20:29 AM
NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH TRANSPORTATION!
 
2013-01-01 11:28:47 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH TRANSPORTATION!


HA!
 
2013-01-01 11:29:53 AM

Via Infinito: Who keeps submitting these WND threads?


A terrible person that really needs to go hunting with Dick Cheney.
 
2013-01-01 12:02:12 PM
Then why don't we just launch Perry towards the sun and be done with it?
 
2013-01-01 12:15:37 PM
in space, no one can hear you derp.
 
2013-01-01 12:20:06 PM

SilentStrider: Then why don't we just launch Perry towards the sun and be done with it?


I'm pretty sure his exquisite hair would protect him both from the cold vacuum of space and the sun's harsh radiation.
 
2013-01-01 12:55:49 PM

Via Infinito: Who keeps submitting these WND threads?


people paid to do it, is the default assumption.  Then the next question is, who keeps greening them.  Like with any political conspiracy, follow the money.
 
2013-01-01 12:59:35 PM

SilentStrider: in space, no one can hear you derp.


This community watchdog/WND contributor is picking up some suspicious signals:

images.sodahead.com
 
2013-01-01 01:03:31 PM
Rick Perry.  Job creator... for Spain.

Muchos gracias senor Rick.
 
2013-01-01 01:35:51 PM

Via Infinito: Who keeps submitting these WND threads?


I've always presumed the submissions come from people who don't actually like WND, but want an easy greenlight. At Fark, nothing is guaranteed to generate irritation like WND does. If I were a whoremitter I'd likely do the same thing.

Search your feelings, subby. You know this to be true.
 
2013-01-01 01:44:45 PM

SilentStrider: Then why don't we just launch Perry towards the sun and be done with it?


That's messed up.  What has the sun ever done to you?
 
2013-01-01 01:45:56 PM
Is "Spanish" Corsistani for "evil" now?  Cintra is a gigantic global infrastructure company.
 
2013-01-01 01:49:18 PM

FloydA: SilentStrider: Then why don't we just launch Perry towards the sun and be done with it?

That's messed up.  What has the sun ever done to you?


i had a really bad sunburn once.
 
2013-01-01 01:57:48 PM
If WND is against it, it must mean this is something good, right?

/not subby
 
2013-01-01 02:24:10 PM

muck4doo: If WND is against it, it must mean this is something good, right?

/not subby


If WND is against something it more than likely doesn't exist.
 
2013-01-01 02:25:22 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH TRANSPORTATION!


Our two methods are rail, truck and air, THREE methods!
 
2013-01-01 02:26:11 PM
If this happens we'll wind up with Mexicans all over Texas!

Wait...
 
2013-01-01 02:29:04 PM
GAH DIAF, RICK PERRY!
 
2013-01-01 02:29:08 PM

GAT_00: Via Infinito: Who keeps submitting these WND threads?

A terrible person that really needs to go hunting with Dick Cheney.


Cue the ridiculous blather about how you're an evil liberal for wishing death on people who disagree with you ideologically!

/Folks, it's not a bad thing to want evil people to die.
 
2013-01-01 02:31:33 PM
I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?

Bring the unwanted inner-city Houstonians into the upper crust suburbs of Dallas?
 
2013-01-01 02:31:41 PM
wonkette.com
 
2013-01-01 02:35:06 PM

Via Infinito: Who keeps submitting these WND threads?


Somebody who thinks the accepted submissions stat is a score counter. Superderp = automatic greenlight since it has a good chance of attracting the various right-wing fark trolls and generating a pages long argument that may or may not have anything to do with the submitted article.

Somebody really ought to write a book about manipulative assholes who sell stupid as infotainment....

James F. Campbell: Cue the ridiculous blather about how you're an evil liberal for wishing death on people who disagree with you ideologically!


The guy Cheney shot in the face didn't die. Hell, after he rolled out of his hospital bed he went on TV and apologized for getting shot.
 
2013-01-01 02:35:43 PM

StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?

Bring the unwanted inner-city Houstonians into the upper crust suburbs of Dallas?


It's part of the whole NWO scheme to incorporate Mexico, Canada, and the US.
signaveritae.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-01 02:38:03 PM

StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?


Here you go
 
2013-01-01 02:39:20 PM

Fart_Machine: StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?

Bring the unwanted inner-city Houstonians into the upper crust suburbs of Dallas?

It's part of the whole NWO scheme to incorporate Mexico, Canada, and the US.
[signaveritae.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]


The eagle carries lightning bolts? That's pretty f*cking badass.
 
2013-01-01 02:43:30 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The guy Cheney shot in the face didn't die. Hell, after he rolled out of his hospital bed he went on TV and apologized for getting shot.


www.ericgarland.co

"I shoot you in a dream, you better wake up and apologize!"
 
2013-01-01 02:43:58 PM
Can someone shop WND logo so it says "WingNut Daily"?
 
2013-01-01 02:45:32 PM

dickfreckle: Via Infinito: Who keeps submitting these WND threads?

I've always presumed the submissions come from people who don't actually like WND, but want an easy greenlight. At Fark, nothing is guaranteed to generate irritation like WND does. If I were a whoremitter I'd likely do the same thing.

Search your feelings, subby. You know this to be true.


Man, I'm not that desperate for greenlights that I would voluntarily venture into the troll pit for one.
 
2013-01-01 02:46:36 PM

whither_apophis: MaudlinMutantMollusk: NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH TRANSPORTATION!

Our two methods are rail, truck and air, THREE methods!


And now for the comfy on-ramps!
 
2013-01-01 02:48:00 PM
I can't wait until the new world order finally gets things underway. How many years have we been waiting and listening to conspiracy nonsense? Way too long.
 
2013-01-01 02:51:52 PM

StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?


It was a plan to make a super roadway from Mexico up through Texas.

So obviously building this was proof to the tin foil hat squad that there is a secret plot to combine the US, Mexico and Canada into one country and force your kids to speak Spanish eat burritos and play hockey.
 
2013-01-01 02:52:41 PM

Gergesa: I can't wait until the new world order finally gets things underway. How many years have we been waiting and listening to conspiracy nonsense? Way too long.


is it shorter or longer than we have been hearing that "super inflation" is just around the corner?
 
2013-01-01 02:56:37 PM
FTFA:TxDOT picked Cintra in 2005 to build what some critics called the "NAFTA Super Highway."

Ignoring the weasle word and the uncited 'critics'; I'm glad there are no highways that travels from the mexican border to anywhere in Texas, much less to across the United States all the way to Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_35
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-American_Highway

herp derp NAFTA herp derp jerbs herp derp
 
2013-01-01 03:06:03 PM
Its called I35, I live next to it. A semi goes by in either direction every 3 seconds at a minimum at all hours. This is not hyperbole, this is not false, this is a FACT. 3am? truck every 3 seconds, both directions. I sit in my hot tub and watch in amazement. 7 years ago it wasn't even close to this number. No toll road will fix this. Nothing will fix this.
 
2013-01-01 03:11:42 PM

orclover: Its called I35, I live next to it. A semi goes by in either direction every 3 seconds at a minimum at all hours. This is not hyperbole, this is not false, this is a FACT. 3am? truck every 3 seconds, both directions. I sit in my hot tub and watch in amazement. 7 years ago it wasn't even close to this number. No toll road will fix this. Nothing will fix this.


It's as if living next to a highway is almost exactly what it sounds like.
 
2013-01-01 03:12:26 PM

Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: If WND is against it, it must mean this is something good, right?

/not subby

If WND is against something it more than likely doesn't exist.


We need Daily Kos to get to this so we know what to think about it.
 
2013-01-01 03:13:38 PM
orclover


I live 5 blocks way from it in Austin. The Toll roads were "supposed" to divert trucks from going through the city. Guess what? They'd rather drive through 15 MPH traffic. The real issue with the Trans-Texas corridor is that they want to use eminent domain laws to steal the land that surrounds the highway. So ask yourself this...Should Americans that own property be forced to sell it because Rick Perry wants to give the right of way to a foreign multi-national corporation? And were aren't just talking about easements here. They want all the land around the road for their handpicked vendors. And they want to turn the roads that are already bought and paid for into private toll roads, which is outright theft from the citizens of Texas.
 
2013-01-01 03:15:37 PM
thamike


You really can't comprehend the volume of traffic that goes through here. It's ok...be glad you don't have to deal with it.
 
2013-01-01 03:15:51 PM

whither_apophis: MaudlinMutantMollusk: NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH TRANSPORTATION!

Our two methods are rail, truck and air, THREE methods!


Our three methods are rail, truck, air and an almost fanatical devotion to low priced petroleum based fuels.
 
2013-01-01 03:15:57 PM
Oh, good lord, I am about to agree with Jerome Corsi.

The problem here is allowing some outside company to collect rent on public assets.

It's like the parking meter deal here in Chicago. We are exporting cash to a foreign company for the "right" to park on our own streets. The price of parking has quadrupled. They're vacuuming away our cash instead of putting that money into local infrastructure.

It's like the disasters where countries give foreigners control of their water supplies. It's like foreign companies trying to take ownership of Iceland's geothermal energy.
 
2013-01-01 03:16:53 PM
images.politico.com

The project got put on the back burner because of the death in 1997 of Ric Williamson, Perry's chief toady for the project.
 
2013-01-01 03:17:06 PM

Gergesa: I can't wait until the new world order finally gets things underway. How many years have we been waiting and listening to conspiracy nonsense? Way too long.


No kidding! By the time they get round to actually do anything about it, it will be the old world order already.
 
2013-01-01 03:19:46 PM

FlippityFlap: orclover


I live 5 blocks way from it in Austin. The Toll roads were "supposed" to divert trucks from going through the city. Guess what? They'd rather drive through 15 MPH traffic. The real issue with the Trans-Texas corridor is that they want to use eminent domain laws to steal the land that surrounds the highway. So ask yourself this...Should Americans that own property be forced to sell it because Rick Perry wants to give the right of way to a foreign multi-national corporation? And were aren't just talking about easements here. They want all the land around the road for their handpicked vendors. And they want to turn the roads that are already bought and paid for into private toll roads, which is outright theft from the citizens of Texas.


Damn straight they should!

blog.uta.edu
 
2013-01-01 03:20:59 PM

SilentStrider: Then why don't we just launch Perry towards the sun and be done with it?


I would be more than happy to pay higher taxes to make this happen.
 
2013-01-01 03:22:46 PM
Texas has lowered taxes so much that even with bone-deep cuts in social services and education there simply isn't enough revenue to run the state. Solution: sell it off piecemeal for the immediate payoff. In five years you'll have to pay a toll to get out of your driveway.
 
2013-01-01 03:23:07 PM

thamike: It's as if living next to a highway is almost exactly what it sounds like.


I think the point is the volume of traffic. Constant volume 24/7 is not a good thing for any road and indicates something might need to be looked at by some highway engineers.
 
2013-01-01 03:23:26 PM

FlippityFlap: thamike


You really can't comprehend the volume of traffic that goes through here. It's ok...be glad you don't have to deal with it.


I used to live right next to the 405 in Los Angeles, near the 405/10 interchange.  My apartment building even had a rooftop hot tub overlooking the highway.  About  30 yards separated me and the most crowded major highway in the U.S.  I found it soothing, but maybe Angelenos are more cautious about reckless honking than Texans are.  Doubtful though.
 
2013-01-01 03:28:48 PM

tnpir: SilentStrider: Then why don't we just launch Perry towards the sun and be done with it?

I would be more than happy to pay higher taxes to make this happen.


static.guim.co.uk
Call my agent.
 
2013-01-01 03:29:28 PM
so its better for a private foreign company to own it and make a profit off tax payers, but not ok for the government to run it?
 
2013-01-01 03:32:30 PM
Pay Spain for the "priviledge" to drive in Texas.
 
2013-01-01 03:34:36 PM
www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-01-01 03:36:23 PM
thamike


That's bad. Now imagine every car is a Mexican semi-truck on a badly constructed 4 lane highway who designer killed himself because of the number of fatalities that occured on the road......


/not so much the volume as the shiatty 1960's freeway...
 
2013-01-01 03:37:14 PM

hammettman: Pay Spain for the "priviledge" to drive in Texas.


This is not lazy simplistic chicanery in the least.
 
2013-01-01 03:40:13 PM

Corvus: Gergesa: I can't wait until the new world order finally gets things underway. How many years have we been waiting and listening to conspiracy nonsense? Way too long.

is it shorter or longer than we have been hearing that "super inflation" is just around the corner?


Something something peak oil something tri-lateral commission something reverse vampires.
 
2013-01-01 03:40:34 PM

FlippityFlap: That's bad.


It really wasn't.  Best apartment I've ever lived in.
 
2013-01-01 03:42:29 PM

LucklessWonder: Corvus: Gergesa: I can't wait until the new world order finally gets things underway. How many years have we been waiting and listening to conspiracy nonsense? Way too long.

is it shorter or longer than we have been hearing that "super inflation" is just around the corner?

Something something peak oil something tri-lateral commission something reverse vampires.


Don't forget the Bilderbergs.
 
2013-01-01 03:49:01 PM
Having driven through DFW, I must ask why does anyone who commute on 35? It's always hopelessly clogged (except in the middle of the night. Why doesn't everyone there idling and staring at the parking lot they're stuck check a map and look up alternate routes? Or for long drives north/south, a detour around the really bad sections? You all know the road is going to be stopped up, why do you keep getting on it?
 
2013-01-01 03:49:06 PM
Separated at birth????

api.ning.comwww.stufffundieslike.com
 
2013-01-01 04:03:49 PM

Shostie: Fart_Machine: StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?

Bring the unwanted inner-city Houstonians into the upper crust suburbs of Dallas?

It's part of the whole NWO scheme to incorporate Mexico, Canada, and the US.
[signaveritae.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]

The eagle carries lightning bolts? That's pretty f*cking badass.


For the Emperor!
 
2013-01-01 04:08:06 PM

muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: If WND is against it, it must mean this is something good, right?

/not subby

If WND is against something it more than likely doesn't exist.

We need Daily Kos to get to this so we know what to think about it.


WND duty did something dumb, best get to implying DailyKos is exactly equivalent and that liberals get their thoughts from it.
 
2013-01-01 04:08:47 PM

thurstonxhowell: duty


Go home, word that clearly doesn't belong there. You're drunk.
 
2013-01-01 04:20:03 PM
On the bright side, it's nice to see the right-wing-nutjobs attacking slightly-less-right-wing-nutjobs for a change.
 
2013-01-01 04:27:15 PM

clambam: Texas has lowered taxes so much that even with bone-deep cuts in social services and education there simply isn't enough revenue to run the state. Solution: sell it off piecemeal for the immediate payoff. In five years you'll have to pay a toll to get out of your driveway.


Well, it's better than Virginia's solution... which is to do that AND take out such massive transportation loans that when they mature in a few years, we'll have no choice but to either massively increase taxes, or massacre the education budget. Either way, I'm pretty sure the Republicans plan on tanking an election so that Democrats are in office when it happens.
 
2013-01-01 04:31:34 PM

muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: If WND is against it, it must mean this is something good, right?

/not subby

If WND is against something it more than likely doesn't exist.

We need Daily Kos to get to this so we know what to think about it.




i159.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-01 04:38:28 PM
one of the serious drawbacks to indiscriminately demonizing tax increases for decades.
 
2013-01-01 04:41:40 PM

StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?

Bring the unwanted inner-city Houstonians into the upper crust suburbs of Dallas?


No, they can settle in North Oak Cliff. Kiest Park is always a nice place to curl up a sleeping bag for the night.
 
2013-01-01 04:54:33 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: thamike: It's as if living next to a highway is almost exactly what it sounds like.

I think the point is the volume of traffic. Constant volume 24/7 is not a good thing for any road and indicates something might need to be looked at by some highway engineers.


Its pretty mind boggling to watch, those toll roads were the simpsons monorail of Austin, along with our actual "monorail" that nobody uses.

FlippityFlap: orclover


I live 5 blocks way from it in Austin. The Toll roads were "supposed" to divert trucks from going through the city. Guess what? They'd rather drive through 15 MPH traffic. The real issue with the Trans-Texas corridor is that they want to use eminent domain laws to steal the land that surrounds the highway. So ask yourself this...Should Americans that own property be forced to sell it because Rick Perry wants to give the right of way to a foreign multi-national corporation? And were aren't just talking about easements here. They want all the land around the road for their handpicked vendors. And they want to turn the roads that are already bought and paid for into private toll roads, which is outright theft from the citizens of Texas.


I would actually be ok with public domain at this point since I live so close to Rundberg as well, by all means kick me out and pay off my bank loan. I would happily get the fark out of here and run el norte, maybe start over in Washington. I would go to Canada for the health care but i'm way too broke for them to take me. So I guess I will just watch the waves of mexican truck drivers ferrying cheap chinese crap to our country.

There has got to be a better, cheaper way of doing this.
 
2013-01-01 05:02:00 PM

Fart_Machine: StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?

Bring the unwanted inner-city Houstonians into the upper crust suburbs of Dallas?

It's part of the whole NWO scheme to incorporate Mexico, Canada, and the US.
[signaveritae.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]


Its adorable that wing-nuts think that Mexico and Canada want to join the U.S. We Canadians are way too liberal to ever join some North American country, in which we will have as much say in policy as the state of California. Mexico's economy is starting to pick up steam and I'm sure they are more than a little aware of how a good portion of Americans feel about them. I guess when one is a nutcase with delusions of grandeur (Murica is the greatest country ever, no matter what!!1!), it's easy to believe that everyone wants to steal some of your greatness. Not to mention those blue-helmeted storm-troopers and black helicopters.
 
2013-01-01 05:03:45 PM
Come on! Get in the spirit!
We are ALL Amero-CANS!
 
2013-01-01 05:04:10 PM

ordinarysteve: Fart_Machine: StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?

Bring the unwanted inner-city Houstonians into the upper crust suburbs of Dallas?

It's part of the whole NWO scheme to incorporate Mexico, Canada, and the US.
[signaveritae.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]

Its adorable that wing-nuts think that Mexico and Canada want to join the U.S. We Canadians are way too liberal to ever join some North American country, in which we will have as much say in policy as the state of California. Mexico's economy is starting to pick up steam and I'm sure they are more than a little aware of how a good portion of Americans feel about them. I guess when one is a nutcase with delusions of grandeur (Murica is the greatest country ever, no matter what!!1!), it's easy to believe that everyone wants to steal some of your greatness. Not to mention those blue-helmeted storm-troopers and black helicopters.


Were commin fer yer maple syrup, and yer meese.
 
2013-01-01 05:07:58 PM

orclover: ordinarysteve: Fart_Machine: StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?

Bring the unwanted inner-city Houstonians into the upper crust suburbs of Dallas?

It's part of the whole NWO scheme to incorporate Mexico, Canada, and the US.
[signaveritae.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]

Its adorable that wing-nuts think that Mexico and Canada want to join the U.S. We Canadians are way too liberal to ever join some North American country, in which we will have as much say in policy as the state of California. Mexico's economy is starting to pick up steam and I'm sure they are more than a little aware of how a good portion of Americans feel about them. I guess when one is a nutcase with delusions of grandeur (Murica is the greatest country ever, no matter what!!1!), it's easy to believe that everyone wants to steal some of your greatness. Not to mention those blue-helmeted storm-troopers and black helicopters.

Were commin fer yer maple syrup, and yer meese.


Oh noes! That's Canada's retirement syrup
/I always thought that was how the plural of moose should be spelled. It must really be a pain to learn english as a second language
 
2013-01-01 05:08:43 PM

ordinarysteve: Fart_Machine: StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?

Bring the unwanted inner-city Houstonians into the upper crust suburbs of Dallas?

It's part of the whole NWO scheme to incorporate Mexico, Canada, and the US.
[signaveritae.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]

Its adorable that wing-nuts think that Mexico and Canada want to join the U.S. We Canadians are way too liberal to ever join some North American country, in which we will have as much say in policy as the state of California. Mexico's economy is starting to pick up steam and I'm sure they are more than a little aware of how a good portion of Americans feel about them. I guess when one is a nutcase with delusions of grandeur (Murica is the greatest country ever, no matter what!!1!), it's easy to believe that everyone wants to steal some of your greatness. Not to mention those blue-helmeted storm-troopers and black helicopters.


It's so William Shatner can become President
 
2013-01-01 05:11:03 PM

relcec: one of the serious drawbacks to indiscriminately demonizing tax increases for decades.


Good advice.
Much like checking your current log-in..
 
2013-01-01 05:14:06 PM

clambam: Texas has lowered taxes so much that even with bone-deep cuts in social services and education there simply isn't enough revenue to run the state. Solution: sell it off piecemeal for the immediate payoff. In five years you'll have to pay a toll to get out of your driveway.


they haven't really cut taxes in a long time. per capita spending has largely remained the same for over a decade. there were state cuts to schools, but because this isn't California, local municipalities are allowed to raise taxes to offset the loss in state funding, which almost all did. and in fact that's a better way to run things. you get as direct accountability as is possible.
there were significant cuts in social services from where those programs would have otherwise been if not for the economic meltdown, but that is true almost everywhere, including in california where jerry brown trimmed 9 billion is social services for the very poorest.
the problem though here is lawmakers have been so effective at pushing anti tax rhetoric there will never be the kind of money needed for big projects even if they are called for.
I have no idea if the corridor is worth it, but there will never be the money for it.
and no one can just *sell off the state*. a valid taking must compensated for with fair value.
 
2013-01-01 05:16:36 PM

Fart_Machine: It's so William Shatner can become President


Obligatory link to the Amerida video. Link
 
2013-01-01 05:17:22 PM

gas giant: relcec: one of the serious drawbacks to indiscriminately demonizing tax increases for decades.

Good advice.
Much like checking your current log-in..


I've always been about reasonable taxes that pay for necessary government programs. I've been arguing we should let all the bush tax cuts expire since the first day I logged on here. and go f*ck yourself.
 
2013-01-01 05:22:00 PM

relcec: and go f*ck yourself.


I've tried, but it refuses bend like that.
 
2013-01-01 05:26:53 PM
RepublicOns ignoring the will of the people they were elected to represent????? say it aint so

/I'm shocked......really......no really.......ya I don't believe me either
 
2013-01-01 05:29:56 PM
what's wrong with trans? Ya'll better check your privilege, cis-state scum!
 
2013-01-01 05:34:47 PM
Ash was protecting it all along
 
2013-01-01 05:37:14 PM
Obligatory:
www.greatdreams.com
/hot; eh, lukewarm
//also, Google the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP)
//my tinfoil hat has a propeller
 
2013-01-01 05:42:51 PM

Fart_Machine: It's part of the whole NWO scheme to incorporate Mexico, Canada, and the US.

[Amero]


A few years back, I was buying something random from someone out in the sticks off of Craigslist. Since I had just gotten a couple of rolls, I paid him partially in brass Presidential dollars.

He looked at me like I had just handed him a raccoon turd. "Are these those new world order dollars I heard about on the radio"?

"Yes, James Polk is a folk-hero in Mexico, you know".
 
2013-01-01 05:45:15 PM

Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: If WND is against it, it must mean this is something good, right?

/not subby

If WND is against something it more than likely doesn't exist.

We need Daily Kos to get to this so we know what to think about it.

[i159.photobucket.com image 500x375]


Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
 
2013-01-01 05:55:19 PM
NWO derp aside, the kickbacks that Perry is promised from this idea must be farking epic. Like, "a massive plantation with slaves somewhere in Africa," epic.
 
2013-01-01 05:56:56 PM

muck4doo: Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.


I forgive you.
 
2013-01-01 06:00:44 PM
"Quietly but systematically, the Bush administration in conjunction with Perry in Texas advanced the plan to build a huge highway, four football fields wide, through the heart of Texas, parallel to Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Texas, to the Texas border with Oklahoma.

The Cintra deal meant that once the TTC was completed, anyone who wanted to drive on it would have to pay an investment consortium in Spain for the privilege of driving in Texas.

Although somewhat incomprehensible to most U.S. citizens, these public-private partnerships involve selling off key U.S. infrastructure projects to foreign entities.


According to the TxDOT Trans-Texas Corridor Plan adopted in June 2002, TxDOT ultimately would build some 4,000 miles of highway-railway-utility super-corridors throughout Texas over the next 50 years, using some 584,000 acres of what is now Texas farm and ranchland, at an estimated cost of $184 billion."


So the taxpayers of Texas pays $184 billion to build this superhighway that corporations get to profit off of, and then gives some corporation in Spain the right to charge these taxpayers toll money to use it? What a racket!

How do I get in on this action?

I want the taxpayers of my state to build me a beautiful $18 billion dollar 18 hole golf course that I get to use any time I want to, and then I get to charge them money if they want to play on it.
 
2013-01-01 06:37:58 PM
I actually took 130 from sequin to round rock this weekend and it was glorious at 85 mph! Well worth the money rather than spending it burning it in gas sitting in traffic in Austin.

Since I live in north Fort Worth, I'm really happy that this is happening..... I still want additional DART/TRE connecting north FW to other areas of the metroplex.... Would reduce congestion even more.
 
2013-01-01 06:45:16 PM

Lawnchair: "Yes, James Polk is a folk-hero in Mexico, you know".


Rutherford Hayes is something of a hero in Paraguay.
 
2013-01-01 06:56:31 PM

muck4doo: If WND is against it, it must mean this is something good, right?

/not subby


I dunno, that was kind of my first thought.
 
2013-01-01 06:58:20 PM

orclover: Its called I35, I live next to it.


I get on a different stretch of 35 every morning to go to work.

Here's the thing- as long as Free Trade Zones exist, and it's possible to keep production costs low by using maquiladoras, there's going to be heavy vehicle traffic on IH-35. There's also going to be heavy train traffic from LA/ Long Beach to Texas.

It's NAFTA. It's the global economy.
 
2013-01-01 07:31:43 PM
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2013-01-01 07:50:41 PM
Texas advanced the plan to build a huge highway, four football fields wide, through the heart of Texas, parallel to Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Texas, to the Texas border with Oklahoma

What happens at the Oklahoma border? They'll need super highways to deal with all the supposed traffic from that corridor.Are the taxpayers supposed to fund the roads to accommodate all the extra traffic leaving Texas? What's in it for the taxpayers? I don't see them sending all the traffic to the OK border at 35. You've already gone miles out of your way to everywhere cept OK and a bunch of sparsely populated states like Kansas,Nebraska, Dakotas, etc, not to mention that Kansas 35 is a toll road that everyone avoids so who wants to pay a thousand miles worth of tolls?. They could use some smaller toll roads fanning out from Laredo in various directions. One going straight to Texarkana would probably get used a lot. You keep it cheap enough so the traffic going through Houston would use it to bypass San Antonio and shorten the trip.
 
2013-01-01 07:58:01 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH TRANSPORTATION!


gifs.gifbin.com
 
2013-01-01 08:04:27 PM
I've never understood why a United North America was such a bad thing. One continent-spanning polity? Nukes, meese and chupacabra? Burgers, poutine and enchiladas? That's the makings of a pretty awesome New World Order.
 
2013-01-01 08:23:35 PM

theorellior: I've never understood why a United North America was such a bad thing. One continent-spanning polity? Nukes, meese and chupacabra? Burgers, poutine and enchiladas? That's the makings of a pretty awesome New World Order.


Tasty, anyway. Except the poutine. But we would have maple syrup.
 
2013-01-01 08:39:47 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The guy Cheney shot in the face didn't die. Hell, after he rolled out of his hospital bed he went on TV and apologized for getting shot.


True. That was one of the bigger WTF moments of those horrible, horrible years.
 
2013-01-01 08:41:33 PM
It'll be a cold day in hell when I allow my children to eat your Maple-flavored Moose burritos!
 
2013-01-01 08:53:30 PM
WTF am I reading. I tried Googling for real information (why would Spain want to build a road in Texas?) and all the hits are from conspiracy websites or FOX. Does this thing even exist at all?
 
2013-01-01 08:54:10 PM
To make the SH 130 toll road palatable to Texas drivers, the speed limit will be set to 85 miles per hour, the fastest posted limit in the United States.

Nope, that's just the logical speed limit for the proposed geometry of the road and the fewer than normal interchanges. Most of I-10 in west Texas has sorta similar conditions and is set at 80.

Also, the corridor's construction got slowed down by the economic crash and subsequent lack of money, not because it was particularly unpopular. The people against it are loud, but they've got basically a 1:1 correlation with Ron Paul voters for the most part, so there are like maybe 1000 opponents total.
 
2013-01-01 09:22:42 PM
Why do we need a company from Spain to build this? Why would we have 1/5 trillion to pay to Spain, but no money to give any jobs to Americans? Why do we want Spain to get the toll dollars? Why do we want Spain to have monopoly control to quintuple the tolls, take it or leave it? Just thought I would ask.
 
2013-01-01 09:24:51 PM

Jim_Callahan: To make the SH 130 toll road palatable to Texas drivers, the speed limit will be set to 85 miles per hour, the fastest posted limit in the United States.

Nope, that's just the logical speed limit for the proposed geometry of the road and the fewer than normal interchanges. Most of I-10 in west Texas has sorta similar conditions and is set at 80.

Also, the corridor's construction got slowed down by the economic crash and subsequent lack of money, not because it was particularly unpopular. The people against it are loud, but they've got basically a 1:1 correlation with Ron Paul voters for the most part, so there are like maybe 1000 opponents total.


There were a lot of ranchers and farmers against the corridor. Even the cities were stunned as to how to build and fund the new roads needed to get cars and trucks to/from the corridor.

Even the Keystone pipeline is generating blowback from the horrible way they are treating the people whose land they are stealing. Something you never saw before in oil country.

People on Texas are getting tired of getting railroaded by corporations.
 
2013-01-01 09:31:09 PM
Actually the Onion had a great story about this involving a NAFTA Superhighway that went straight from Mexico to Canada avoiding the USA completely.
 
2013-01-01 09:56:06 PM

orclover: Its called I35, I live next to it. A semi goes by in either direction every 3 seconds at a minimum at all hours.


That road was a nightmare on a motorcycle. I used to ride the frontage road alongside it whenever I could.
 
2013-01-01 10:19:25 PM

0Icky0: orclover: Its called I35, I live next to it. A semi goes by in either direction every 3 seconds at a minimum at all hours.

That road was a nightmare on a motorcycle. I used to ride the frontage road alongside it whenever I could.


Got 3 bikes here for the two of us, we avoid it whenever possible. Which is not often enough. Wife takes her gixxer to work every day and its the worst part of her commute. If you got rid of all the semi's it would help, but not be enough. This is not a "town" any more, but we still have a towns highway system it seems.
 
2013-01-01 11:17:10 PM

Kevin72: Why do we need a company from Spain to build this? Why would we have 1/5 trillion to pay to Spain, but no money to give any jobs to Americans? Why do we want Spain to get the toll dollars? Why do we want Spain to have monopoly control to quintuple the tolls, take it or leave it? Just thought I would ask.


You need to stop watching so much Cinemax and get out more. This is actually a real thing and it's not even uncommon anymore. There was just a bit about it on CNBC talking about the desperate state of US infrastructure and some of the fixes states are going to to get needed repairs. One of them is leasing out the roads. There are more than a few interstates in various states that have been taken on 99-year leases by various companies (one I think is Australian and one is located in Dubai) who take over all duties for upkeep and repair on the road and in return they get to collect tolls on it.

And when they say "all upkeep and repair", they mean all of it. The company has to fix any potholes, do the snow removal, even pay the salaries of the state troopers who patrol it; plus paying the monthly lease to the states. The leases paid several billion dollars to the cash-strapped states where this was done, plus the annual payments and relieving the state of upkeep for the next 99 years. Now whether this will be a good thing in the long run remains to be seen, but the states needed the cash, they've gotten a big chunk of roadwork taken care off and off their books, and apparently the traffic has not suffered. So if Texas wants to have someone else do the work, pay for all of it, shoulder the headache of upkeep and repair, and kick back some rent money to Texas, well, we call that "free market economy" here in the US.
 
2013-01-01 11:43:41 PM
That's going to be a long ass highway
 
2013-01-01 11:45:29 PM

Kevin72: Why do we need a company from Spain to build this?


They gave the lowest bid? Are you in favor of spending extra tax dollars to accept only American bids?

Why would we have 1/5 trillion to pay to Spain, but no money to give any jobs to Americans?

Do you somehow think they'll ship all of the construction workers over from Spain? That they could even get work visas for most of them?

Now run along and let the adults have a discussion.
 
2013-01-01 11:49:21 PM

Jim_Callahan: To make the SH 130 toll road palatable to Texas drivers, the speed limit will be set to 85 miles per hour, the fastest posted limit in the United States.

Nope, that's just the logical speed limit for the proposed geometry of the road and the fewer than normal interchanges. Most of I-10 in west Texas has sorta similar conditions and is set at 80.

Also, the corridor's construction got slowed down by the economic crash and subsequent lack of money, not because it was particularly unpopular. The people against it are loud, but they've got basically a 1:1 correlation with Ron Paul voters for the most part, so there are like maybe 1000 opponents total.


This toll road is basically a railroad for trucks. It's an express lane that bypasses city and intercity (commuter) traffic. The high speed limit is to help them make their trip more quickly and justify the cost.
 
2013-01-02 12:09:19 AM

MisterRonbo: Kevin72: Why do we need a company from Spain to build this?

They gave the lowest bid? Are you in favor of spending extra tax dollars to accept only American bids?

Why would we have 1/5 trillion to pay to Spain, but no money to give any jobs to Americans?

Do you somehow think they'll ship all of the construction workers over from Spain? That they could even get work visas for most of them?

Now run along and let the adults have a discussion.


I do not think the Americans were even given a chance to bid. The fix was in to just give it to Cinta. The taxpayers never asked for it. When they asked to not have it, Cinta bought up the newspapers with the negative editorials and letters to the editor, problem solved. So now you can hear how great it will be. And yes the workers won't be insourced, but the management will be.
 
2013-01-02 12:09:40 AM
The reason it is so hard to stop these projects is that they have unlimited resources; yours.

You may be able to block them several times but they rise up when you least expect it like those guys in the scary movies that everyone thinks are dead.

There are those inside and outside of our country that can fire up the fake money presses and print up whatever it takes to get their way.
 
2013-01-02 12:34:52 AM

Kevin72: I do not think the Americans were even given a chance to bid. The fix was in to just give it to Cinta. The taxpayers never asked for it. When they asked to not have it, Cinta bought up the newspapers with the negative editorials and letters to the editor, problem solved. So now you can hear how great it will be. And yes the workers won't be insourced, but the management will be.



Ok this is going to be awesome. Texas local roadworkers......basically all Mexican, most wont speak alot of english but hey "spanish"....sorta. All we need is a Spanish manager....FROM spain, speaking "spanish". This going to make the accent barrier between the Welsh and Americans seem miniscule. I have to hear this in action.
 
2013-01-02 01:31:28 AM

Gyrfalcon: Kevin72: Why do we need a company from Spain to build this? Why would we have 1/5 trillion to pay to Spain, but no money to give any jobs to Americans? Why do we want Spain to get the toll dollars? Why do we want Spain to have monopoly control to quintuple the tolls, take it or leave it? Just thought I would ask.

You need to stop watching so much Cinemax and get out more. This is actually a real thing and it's not even uncommon anymore. There was just a bit about it on CNBC talking about the desperate state of US infrastructure and some of the fixes states are going to to get needed repairs. One of them is leasing out the roads. There are more than a few interstates in various states that have been taken on 99-year leases by various companies (one I think is Australian and one is located in Dubai) who take over all duties for upkeep and repair on the road and in return they get to collect tolls on it.

And when they say "all upkeep and repair", they mean all of it. The company has to fix any potholes, do the snow removal, even pay the salaries of the state troopers who patrol it; plus paying the monthly lease to the states. The leases paid several billion dollars to the cash-strapped states where this was done, plus the annual payments and relieving the state of upkeep for the next 99 years. Now whether this will be a good thing in the long run remains to be seen, but the states needed the cash, they've gotten a big chunk of roadwork taken care off and off their books, and apparently the traffic has not suffered. So if Texas wants to have someone else do the work, pay for all of it, shoulder the headache of upkeep and repair, and kick back some rent money to Texas, well, we call that "free market economy" here in the US.


tl;dr: privatization

/this is what you're begging for, conservatives
 
2013-01-02 01:42:33 AM

orclover: Its called I35, I live next to it. A semi goes by in either direction every 3 seconds at a minimum at all hours. This is not hyperbole, this is not false, this is a FACT. 3am? truck every 3 seconds, both directions. I sit in my hot tub and watch in amazement. 7 years ago it wasn't even close to this number. No toll road will fix this. Nothing will fix this.


I haul stuff along there from time to time. Michigan to Laredo, Laredo to points north... I gotta say though there is more going south than headed north, in my experience. Almost always more trucks waiting for loads than loads available.
Ofte we sit there for a day or two so we avoid it when possible.
 
2013-01-02 01:46:03 AM

theorellior: I've never understood why a United North America was such a bad thing. One continent-spanning polity? Nukes, meese and chupacabra? Burgers, poutine and enchiladas? That's the makings of a pretty awesome New World Order.


Because Greasy Spics and we'd not only have to dial 2 for Spanish, but also dial 3 for French.
 
2013-01-02 04:50:05 AM

Kevin72: Why do we need a company from Spain to build this? Why would we have 1/5 trillion to pay to Spain, but no money to give any jobs to Americans? Why do we want Spain to get the toll dollars? Why do we want Spain to have monopoly control to quintuple the tolls, take it or leave it? Just thought I would ask.


It's a front group for Mexico and the Mexican govt. Mexico is making the investment to send all their commerce up to Laredo for the benefit of a few Texan interests so what's in it for them is they get the tolls. If Texas and the US were making all the profits on the commerce trail, Mexico would have them by the balls and you'd need to play their political games and pay their extortion or they cut off the flow. It's like giving China a port on the west coast so they send all their imports your way.
 
2013-01-02 06:07:30 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Gyrfalcon: Kevin72: Why do we need a company from Spain to build this? Why would we have 1/5 trillion to pay to Spain, but no money to give any jobs to Americans? Why do we want Spain to get the toll dollars? Why do we want Spain to have monopoly control to quintuple the tolls, take it or leave it? Just thought I would ask.

You need to stop watching so much Cinemax and get out more. This is actually a real thing and it's not even uncommon anymore. There was just a bit about it on CNBC talking about the desperate state of US infrastructure and some of the fixes states are going to to get needed repairs. One of them is leasing out the roads. There are more than a few interstates in various states that have been taken on 99-year leases by various companies (one I think is Australian and one is located in Dubai) who take over all duties for upkeep and repair on the road and in return they get to collect tolls on it.

And when they say "all upkeep and repair", they mean all of it. The company has to fix any potholes, do the snow removal, even pay the salaries of the state troopers who patrol it; plus paying the monthly lease to the states. The leases paid several billion dollars to the cash-strapped states where this was done, plus the annual payments and relieving the state of upkeep for the next 99 years. Now whether this will be a good thing in the long run remains to be seen, but the states needed the cash, they've gotten a big chunk of roadwork taken care off and off their books, and apparently the traffic has not suffered. So if Texas wants to have someone else do the work, pay for all of it, shoulder the headache of upkeep and repair, and kick back some rent money to Texas, well, we call that "free market economy" here in the US.

tl;dr: privatization

/this is what you're begging for, conservatives


You would think they'd LOVE the idea!
 
2013-01-02 07:30:36 AM
Lots of states are going the privatization route wrt their highways and roads. The problem is always the details; in Virginia for example the state promised a toll road operator they would not maintain the parallel and free routes as often, nor would they widen them, so the traffic would be enticed to use the toll road.

Here in NC the legislature had to bail out the toll road by paying millions of dollars/year in general funds to subsidize the toll road when all the traffic studies indicated there wouldn't be enough traffic to pay off the construction bonds. The design was also substandard; shoulders too narrow, pavement too thin, accel and decel lanes too short, all to save money.
 
2013-01-02 07:53:46 AM

ordinarysteve: Its adorable that wing-nuts think that Mexico and Canada want to join the U.S. We Canadians are way too liberal to ever join some North American country, in which we will have as much say in policy as the state of California. Mexico's economy is starting to pick up steam and I'm sure they are more than a little aware of how a good portion of Americans feel about them. I guess when one is a nutcase with delusions of grandeur (Murica is the greatest country ever, no matter what!!1!), it's easy to believe that everyone wants to steal some of your greatness. Not to mention those blue-helmeted storm-troopers and black helicopters.


Pretty sure Harper wants to join the GOP. Just sayin'.

StopLurkListen: I'm behind on my "I don't know what the hell you're talking about" points. Can someone summarize what fresh hell a "Trans-Texas-Corridor" is supposed to visit upon us?

Bring the unwanted inner-city Houstonians into the upper crust suburbs of Dallas?


Think "railroad robber-barons of the American Industrial revolution" but with a modern highway and a decent probability of never actually finishing the project. Basically a really big highway gets built on stolen land using a combination of public and private funds (oh boy) where the involved politicians get a kickback while the commoners get screwed, and the road acts as a sort of semi-constitutional interstate tariff (see the amount of business crossing state lines) that gets paid directly to corporations which promise to take care of everything but are likely to take care of nothing.

It's privatizing a vital public service, which just off the top of my head is the reason for the War on Drugs, the War on Terror, and the red-light cameras. Result? corporate profit being squeezed out of people already poorer than banana republic serfs.

relcec: no one can just *sell off the state*. a valid taking must compensated for with fair value.


And you wonder why we call you a whore.
 
2013-01-02 07:57:47 AM

Gyrfalcon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Gyrfalcon: Kevin72: Why do we need a company from Spain to build this? Why would we have 1/5 trillion to pay to Spain, but no money to give any jobs to Americans? Why do we want Spain to get the toll dollars? Why do we want Spain to have monopoly control to quintuple the tolls, take it or leave it? Just thought I would ask.

You need to stop watching so much Cinemax and get out more. This is actually a real thing and it's not even uncommon anymore. There was just a bit about it on CNBC talking about the desperate state of US infrastructure and some of the fixes states are going to to get needed repairs. One of them is leasing out the roads. There are more than a few interstates in various states that have been taken on 99-year leases by various companies (one I think is Australian and one is located in Dubai) who take over all duties for upkeep and repair on the road and in return they get to collect tolls on it.

And when they say "all upkeep and repair", they mean all of it. The company has to fix any potholes, do the snow removal, even pay the salaries of the state troopers who patrol it; plus paying the monthly lease to the states. The leases paid several billion dollars to the cash-strapped states where this was done, plus the annual payments and relieving the state of upkeep for the next 99 years. Now whether this will be a good thing in the long run remains to be seen, but the states needed the cash, they've gotten a big chunk of roadwork taken care off and off their books, and apparently the traffic has not suffered. So if Texas wants to have someone else do the work, pay for all of it, shoulder the headache of upkeep and repair, and kick back some rent money to Texas, well, we call that "free market economy" here in the US.

tl;dr: privatization

/this is what you're begging for, conservatives

You would think they'd LOVE the idea!


"Owned by slavers" is not a ringing endorsement. Also I ran across the one owned in part by Abu Dhabi which is horifically mismanaged and regularly sticks its hand out demanding more state money than it originally cost to run the program.

But yeah, privatization R grate!
 
2013-01-02 08:35:39 AM

moothemagiccow: That's going to be a long ass-highway


You left out the hyphen, so I helpfully inserted it.
 
2013-01-02 09:38:57 AM
fark the trans texas corridor
 
2013-01-03 11:20:23 PM

vygramul: moothemagiccow: That's going to be a long ass-highway

You left out the hyphen, so I helpfully inserted it.


fark xkcd
 
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