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(The Leaf Chronicle)   Tennessee House Speaker wants to limit lawmakers to no more than two bills per lobbyist   ( theleafchronicle.com) divider line
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2013-01-01 11:36:50 AM  
This will help absolutely nobody.  Need something for your district?  Sorry, you've already helped them too much this year, and as Republicans, we are steadfastly opposed to helping our constituents have a better government that helps them.
 
2013-01-01 12:51:49 PM  

GAT_00: This will help absolutely nobody.  Need something for your district?  Sorry, you've already helped them too much this year, and as Republicans, we are steadfastly opposed to helping our constituents have a better government that helps them.


Yep. That would just insure that the industries that can afford the biggest bribes best lobbyists would get what they want, while everyone else gets farked.
 
2013-01-01 12:52:04 PM  
think of how many new lobbyists that will create! hooray job creation.
 
2013-01-01 12:57:31 PM  
I found it interesting that there is a lobbyist for the lobbyist group.
 
2013-01-01 12:59:16 PM  
Legislators are too stupid to write their own laws. Not to worry, we do it for them.

www.forgetthebox.net
 
2013-01-01 01:04:01 PM  

Dahnkster: Legislators are too stupid to write their own laws. Not to worry, we do it for them.

[www.forgetthebox.net image 500x294]


The anger of the left at ALEC is amusing. It's become the same kind of dogwhistle the ACLU is for the right.
 
2013-01-01 01:07:21 PM  
Yes, the appetizer and wine bills.
 
2013-01-01 01:11:50 PM  
Maybe they could trade bills and create a free market solution to reduce bad laws. Kind of like carbon credits.
 
2013-01-01 01:22:14 PM  

LordJiro: GAT_00: This will help absolutely nobody.  Need something for your district?  Sorry, you've already helped them too much this year, and as Republicans, we are steadfastly opposed to helping our constituents have a better government that helps them.

Yep. That would just insure that the industries that can afford the biggest bribes best lobbyists would get what they want, while everyone else gets farked.


And this is different from the situation now, how exactly?
 
2013-01-01 01:34:14 PM  

MFAWG: Dahnkster: Legislators are too stupid to write their own laws. Not to worry, we do it for them.

[www.forgetthebox.net image 500x294]

The anger of the left at ALEC is amusing. It's become the same kind of dogwhistle the ACLU is for the right.


Starting a year with a false equivalence is bad luck.
 
2013-01-01 01:43:48 PM  

MFAWG: The anger of the left at ALEC is amusing


i.imgflip.com
 
2013-01-01 01:44:15 PM  
So they raise the prices of the bribes so that each lawmaker has fewer influence peddling transactions.
 
2013-01-01 01:46:29 PM  

MFAWG: The anger of the left at ALEC is amusing. It's become the same kind of dogwhistle the ACLU is for the right.



I can see how someone might be amused by a surface comparison, but it all breaks down once you give it a little thought. There's too many stark differences -- how the two groups are funded, the arenas where they act (legislative or judicial,) overt ties (or lack thereof) to one or the other political party, whether First-Amendment-absolutist is comparable to shill-for-moneyed-interests, and wheres and whyfors of the hate for each group.

That's just a start.
 
2013-01-01 01:46:53 PM  
I thought subby was being hyperbolic. I was wrong.

"Laboratories of Democracy" my ass.
 
2013-01-01 01:56:45 PM  
This is quite simply one of the most anti-democratic, moronic ideas to come out of America in decades.

First the facts: The headline is highly misleading; it limits lawmakers to 10 bills a year.

This is going to make lobbyists even more powerful -- they have the money and organization to reserve spots with lawmakers. Let's say you're an organization against domestic violence and you have a bill you want passed. You could find yourself in a situation where lawmakers will only introduce it -- burning one of their 10 bills -- if you can make contributions to lawmakers to match what they're getting from the Chamber of Commerce. Those 10 bills are going to go to the highest bidder.

Next, no one is going to be willing to introduce low level legislation, like adjusting an outdated fee, updating a permit requirement, or some kind of spot zoning -- nobody will want to burn their bills on something so minor, yet necessary.

What will end up happening, is that everything legislative will get done with vehicles -- people tacking a 30 page amendment onto a a totally unrelated one page bill that.
 
2013-01-01 02:19:51 PM  

thornhill: First the facts: The headline is highly misleading; it limits lawmakers to 10 bills a year.


The headline refers to 2 bills per lobbyist

/not subby, just defending him/her
 
2013-01-01 02:20:21 PM  
2 lobbyists
4 lobbyists
6 lobbyists a dollar
all for Democracy
stand up and hollar!!

yay!!!
 
2013-01-01 02:21:22 PM  
The attempt to aid lobbyists aside, there is a problem with how things are done --- multi-provision bills. Banning omnibus bills, or forcing congress/legislatures to vote on each provision of such a bill, would do much to a) slow down the damage legislatures can do, and b) keep idiot/evil provisions from being snuck into bills. Indeed, I'd love to see a limit on the number of laws allowed; if we reach the limit, and want to pass a new one, an old one has to go. CSPAN would become essential viewing.
 
2013-01-01 03:03:55 PM  
But, but, but STATES RIGHTS!!
 
2013-01-01 03:20:06 PM  
Yes, states rights. These people are allowed to be crazy just as much as the loons in california are. Let them be crazy, and be glad you don't live in their state. This is the advantage of a multi-state system--people can pull crazy stunts like this, and the majority of us can be unaffected long enough to learn from their mistakes.
 
2013-01-01 03:20:33 PM  
Why haven't we made being a lobbyist a Class 1 felony yet?
 
2013-01-01 03:22:36 PM  

Teufelaffe: Why haven't we made being a lobbyist a Class 1 felony yet?


I propose the return of drawing and quartering as a punishment for them. That would teach them a lesson. :P
 
2013-01-01 03:36:06 PM  
So they want to spread the lobbyists' money more evenly among the legislators? That's an interesting spin on "sharing the wealth".
 
2013-01-01 04:10:36 PM  
This is one of those "Good in theory, horrible in actual practice" kinds of ideas. While the intention may be to put a bit more limits on how much input lobbyists/special interests have in government, in practice it only ensures the richest lobbyists who know how to game the system will have a voice at all.

So... sort of like the 'supply side economics' of the legislation world I suppose.
 
2013-01-01 04:20:40 PM  
It's great living in a state where everything coming out of Nashville is shrouded in grifting and corruption; Legislation to increase the value of a legislator's influence is an awesome way for those people to pump up the payola.
 
2013-01-01 04:23:21 PM  

Luneward: This is one of those "Good in theory, horrible in actual practice" kinds of ideas. While the intention may be to put a bit more limits on how much input lobbyists/special interests have in government, in practice it only ensures the richest lobbyists who know how to game the system will have a voice at all.

So... sort of like the 'supply side economics' of the legislation world I suppose.


Supply side economics is stupid in the way politicians think it works. They think that by giving more money to rich PEOPLE you get more economic activity--in reality you get none. If BUSINESSES have more capital however (say by lowering their taxes) you will get more economic activity. The modern issue is with a world economy, that activity may not be in the US.
 
2013-01-01 04:58:19 PM  
'The session just started,'" said Mark Greene, the lobbyist for the Tennessee Lobbyists Association

Yo Dawg!
 
2013-01-01 05:29:46 PM  
How about

"If you give money (as well as goods that cost money, such as expensive dinners, private jet trips etc) to lawmakers, it is illegal to pitch them your laws."

Ta-da! money can no longer influence politicians.
 
2013-01-01 05:31:10 PM  

Teufelaffe: Why haven't we made being a lobbyist a Class 1 felony yet?


Class 1 felonies are reserved for non violent offenders who get caught smoking weed.
 
2013-01-01 05:45:26 PM  
I agree, except make that "2" a "0".
 
2013-01-01 05:49:05 PM  

Dahnkster: Legislators are too stupid to write their own laws. Not to worry, we do it for them.

[www.forgetthebox.net image 500x294]


They ought to force politicians to wear patches on their suits representing all the corporations that have spnsored them, like soccer players or NASCAR drivers do:

xtupload.com
 
2013-01-01 06:19:27 PM  
Make that two three dollar bills.
 
2013-01-01 07:50:55 PM  
If the Tennessee House Speaker wants to sort out the lobbyist mess, he needs to talk to the Tennessee Fish and Game (or whatever its called) and establish a season for them. I suggest no bag limit from June to October, must use 44 Mag or better and no baiting on state property.
 
2013-01-01 09:26:57 PM  

feanorn: The attempt to aid lobbyists aside, there is a problem with how things are done --- multi-provision bills. Banning omnibus bills, or forcing congress/legislatures to vote on each provision of such a bill, would do much to a) slow down the damage legislatures can do, and b) keep idiot/evil provisions from being snuck into bills. Indeed, I'd love to see a limit on the number of laws allowed; if we reach the limit, and want to pass a new one, an old one has to go. CSPAN would become essential viewing.


I'm for this. The recent Sandy Recovery Bill is a great example if people see what is actually in it. A lot of damaging and crippling laws have been passed as a toe in on other non-related bills and acts and the damage wasn't realized until they already passed.
 
2013-01-02 05:52:42 AM  
Watching American politics is like watching a post apocalyptic city be reclaimed by nature.
 
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2013-01-02 09:21:44 AM  
Phil Moskowitz: Watching American politics is like watching a post apocalyptic city be reclaimed by nature.

I've seen pictures of vacant land in Detroit turning into fields of flowers. Much prettier than American politics.
 
2013-01-02 08:15:47 PM  

ZAZ: Phil Moskowitz: Watching American politics is like watching a post apocalyptic city be reclaimed by nature.

I've seen pictures of vacant land in Detroit turning into fields of flowers. Much prettier than American politics.



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