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2013-01-01 12:29:03 PM
6 votes:
This is all an enforcement issue. If people believe laws are enforced, they don't break them.

Nobody driving a car runs a red or stop sign even if there is clearly no other car in the area because they know if the police catch them, there are going to be serious repercussions.

Cyclists never get pulled over and ticketed for breaking traffic laws; they conclude the laws are never enforced; and thus, don't think twice about breaking them.

Cities need to start putting traffic cops on corners and ticketing bicyclists.
2013-01-01 12:24:40 PM
5 votes:
january 1 and already had a run in with a cyclist that thought the stop sign was a 'suggestion'.

four way stop...i got there first. start to go and a biker blows thru from my right and starts yelling at me for having the audacity to slow him down.

he yelled at me that he was in 'training'. i guess it is training to be dead quicker.
2013-01-01 01:03:41 PM
3 votes:

YouPeopleAreCrazy: You notice the bike riders, because they annoy you. If one were to follow you around, how many laws do you break on a normal day?


I notice bike riders because when they do something stupid and I almost end up creaming them the potential for death or harm is exponentially higher compared to someone in a car.

Because of this there's a tendency to violate laws they should be observing because they feel they're not as safe as others on the road. The refuse to accept the personal responsibility for a situation they have willingly agreed to put themselves in.

I also notice them because when an incident occurs they have more of a tendency to blow it out of proportion (become verbally or physically violent) compared to the reaction from another motorist.

So, in conclusion, they're more likely to incur greater damage, prone to ignore driving laws because of the basic laws of physics in a situation they have willingly inserted themselves into, and they're whiny about it.

If you're looking for why people driving cars hate bicyclists you can start right there.
2013-01-01 12:59:58 PM
3 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: YouPeopleAreCrazy: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Don't forget a proportional cost of enforcement of the rules cyclists regularly ignore.

As opposed to the speeders and red light runners in motor vehicles? Please.
Now add in the cost to take care of the damage done by the respective vehicles. 200lbs (me+bike) crashing into something does not begin to approach the damage of 4600lbs (me+F-150) crashing into something.

I fully agree that a LOT of cyclists routinely do stupid shiat. Blow red lights and stop signs, ride the wrong direction, etc, etc, etc. Asshats.
But so do motor vehicle operators. I could pick any random 1000 yard stretch of street here, and I would be surprised if the percentage of MV operators breaking some law was under 80%.

You notice the bike riders, because they annoy you. If one were to follow you around, how many laws do you break on a normal day?

I completely agree with this. To all those saying, "OMG, WHY U NO GIVE TICKETS TO CYCLISTS WHO RUN RED LIGHT?" I would love to see how many of you jaywalk.


I don't jaywalk, largely because of bicyclists who blow through lights like they own the road.
2013-01-01 12:33:38 PM
3 votes:

thornhill: This is all an enforcement issue. If people believe laws are enforced, they don't break them.

Nobody driving a car runs a red or stop sign even if there is clearly no other car in the area because they know if the police catch them, there are going to be serious repercussions.

Cyclists never get pulled over and ticketed for breaking traffic laws; they conclude the laws are never enforced; and thus, don't think twice about breaking them.

Cities need to start putting traffic cops on corners and ticketing bicyclists.


They do this periodically in Portland, but not nearly enough to discourage docuhbaggery. There's always the counter argument "but cars break laws too" bullshiat from the cyclist crowd.

Bad behavior of others doesn't absolve you of responsibility for your own actions.
2013-01-01 12:30:28 PM
3 votes:
Same road, Same rules, Same taxes..

Buy a license plate for your bike, or get it the fark off the street!
2013-01-01 12:19:23 PM
3 votes:
If only cyclists observed all the traffic laws as diligently as motorists!
2013-01-01 07:47:32 PM
2 votes:

steve_wmn: hockeychick: Question to bikers, why do people ride in the middle of my street when there's a blacktop bike path not 10ft away going the same direction you are? Just curious.

Because those bike paths inevitably have to intersect with roads and no one is looking for a bike coming out of one of those, meaning you have to stop at every intersection when riding on one. If you ride on the roads you get seen more reliably and you can take advantage of the green lights that come your way. Plus they're often graded and paved to a lower standard than the roads. And they seldom take you all the way from point A to point B, so you have to get used to riding on the roads part of the way anyway. Might as well just use the roads.


So, basically, "Fark you to all of the motorists whose way I get in. I'm willing to inflict incredible inconveniences on a large number of other people in order to spare myself a relatively modest inconvenience."
2013-01-01 06:05:45 PM
2 votes:

Marcintosh:
There were a lot of complaints from either side.  People walking like to walk abreast and chat while walking, sometimes they have dogs as well or even children in strollers.
People on bikes like to do about 50-60mph.  The pavement is smooth and flat and that speed is easy to attain if you're a dedicated biker.
There were a few accidents.  The route kept gaining in popularity and became more crowded every month.  So in a flash of intelligence they expanded the system.
It's a pretty cool area in this respect.  In the spring the local DOT will shut down about 3miles of a redundant road every Sunday for the public to play on.


You clearly have no concept of speed. What you think is 50-60mph is probably closer to 20-25mph. The fastest riders in the world only ever achieve 50+ on a downhill portion of a mountain. The worlds top sprinters can get up to 50mph on the flats but only for a few hundred meters.
2013-01-01 03:39:33 PM
2 votes:

Psycoholic_Slag: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I love the "You drive 5 over the speed limit so I get to disregard stop lights and signs" argument.

I know! It's almost like people are hypocrites and then they get all butthurt when you point it out.


Let's have a contest, I'll drive 75 in a 70 zone, you run every stop light and stop sign you come to. We'll see who lives longest.
2013-01-01 03:24:45 PM
2 votes:
Thus far, the attitude fron bikets in this thread seems to be 'since drivers set their cruise 7 MPH over the limit on an empty stretch of Interstate that means I can do whatever the fark I want!'
2013-01-01 02:24:10 PM
2 votes:
The thing I get most annoyed with here is when bikes are on the road when there is a dedicated and maintained bike bath just a few feet parallel. The path is even on the same side of the street, but noooo someone wants to ride in the road like an ass for no goddamned reason. Just once, I'd love to see one of these dedicated street-worthy riders use hand signals for turns and have proper lighting on their bikes.

As many riders as get hit around here, there should be some law making some kind of bike insurance mandatory. No riding off the insurance of the car that hit you because you were being an idiot. It would be easy to have a policy that's only a few dollars on a regular car or home policy.
2013-01-01 02:17:54 PM
2 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: Please point out to me where I made that the argument? I never said bikers shouldn't be ticketed.


You said that cyclists don't blow through stop signs/lights because it would be too dangerous for them. You then accused me of making things up when I said that they did. When I pointed out that I personally witness that behavior constantly, and am therefore not making things up, your response was "Drivers are assholes".
2013-01-01 02:10:40 PM
2 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: I have lived in an area with a ton of college students, and quite frankly, usually the asshole is the one driving the car. Why don't we have a nice conversation about how you hate hipsters and PBR instead.


Good subject change when you didn't like the direction that the conversation was going.

Yes, I agree that the assholes are often, or even usually, the driver. Yes, I agree that a ton of drivers are clueless and will yell at bikers to "get off the road" even when the bikers are 100% in the right.

But what does this have to do with the argument that bikers should be ticketed when they break the law in a way that screws over others? Hint: it's a complete non sequitur.
2013-01-01 01:46:22 PM
2 votes:

ancker: I'd be willing to bet that literally every single time you get in your car, you break at least one traffic law. No matter how stupid you think that law might be.


As I said above, this argument is silly.

Nobody cares if you break a law if it doesn't affect somebody else. If you roll through a Stop sign when nobody is around, its not big deal. Similarly, nobody really cares if a bike blows through a stop sign when the road is empty.

However, it IS a big deal if you break the law such that it affects everybody else on the damn road. This is what bikers do when they regularly blow through stop signs and lights such that cars have to brake for them.  Cars generally don't get to break motoring laws such that it screws everybody else on the road, but some bikers seem to think that its their God given right to break whatever law they want even if it screws over other vehicles.
2013-01-01 01:39:54 PM
2 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: I completely agree with this. To all those saying, "OMG, WHY U NO GIVE TICKETS TO CYCLISTS WHO RUN RED LIGHT?" I would love to see how many of you jaywalk.


If you jaywalk such that traffic has to brake for you, you should be ticketed. If you jaywalk and it doesn't affect anybody, who cares?

The same thing with bikes. I don't care if they blow through stop signs and red lights...AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT MOTORISTS (OR PEDESTRIANS). But, as soon as they are screwing with the cars (as they frequently do), they should be ticketed every time.

So its perfectly consistent - you break the law and screw somebody else, you get a ticket whether its in a car, on foot, or on a bike/skates.
2013-01-01 01:33:57 PM
2 votes:

YouPeopleAreCrazy:

Locally, reg fees are by vehicle value. Other places by weight or horsepower. You do want to be fair in those fees, right?
Here's the yearly dime for my bike. Happy now?


People who drive are expected to pay registration fees and gas taxes.

People who use public transportation are required to pay a fare to ride the bus, train, or ferry.

Why then shouldn't the bikers be required to pay a fee toward the upkeep of the bike lanes and paths? Since bikers by and large ignore traffic signals, stop signs, and other road users it's the least they could do.
2013-01-01 01:31:01 PM
2 votes:

ancker: I'd be willing to bet that literally every single time you get in your car, you break at least one traffic law. No matter how stupid you think that law might be.


I'd be willing to bet that you are wrong.

Also, rolling a stop sign is a bit different than blowing past it going 25 MPH. While both are illegal, one is probably a bit more dangerous. Can you guess which one?
2013-01-01 01:07:38 PM
2 votes:

YouPeopleAreCrazy: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Don't forget a proportional cost of enforcement of the rules cyclists regularly ignore.

As opposed to the speeders and red light runners in motor vehicles? Please.
Now add in the cost to take care of the damage done by the respective vehicles. 200lbs (me+bike) crashing into something does not begin to approach the damage of 4600lbs (me+F-150) crashing into something.

I fully agree that a LOT of cyclists routinely do stupid shiat. Blow red lights and stop signs, ride the wrong direction, etc, etc, etc. Asshats.
But so do motor vehicle operators. I could pick any random 1000 yard stretch of street here, and I would be surprised if the percentage of MV operators breaking some law was under 80%.

You notice the bike riders, because they annoy you. If one were to follow you around, how many laws do you break on a normal day?


This is a big part of it. Everyone on the road is awful, not just cyclists, but you notice cyclists. I've biked a certain neighborhood route nearly five times a week for a few months now and a hilariously small percentage of people ever comes to a complete stop at the 4-way stop signs unless someone is visible approaching on the crossing road.

Because of this it seems like most drivers don't even want a cyclist to fully stop because they don't want to wait for a biker to accelerate across the intersection. I come to a momentary full stop as (just long enough to stop without having to put my foot down), and just doing that I have gotten honked at. When I am coming up to an intersection where someone else has the right of way, 80% of the time they will sit there waving frantically for me to go despite me having a stop sign that I have to obey.

That isn't even to mention the absurd designs of bike infrastructure which are just as bad if not worse as stupid car infrastructure decisions. You have bike lanes which are in blind spots for driveways, bike lanes going straight that are on the right side of right-turn-only lanes, and even a combination bike-lane/parking-area (seriously, who thought that was a good idea?)
2013-01-01 12:52:28 PM
2 votes:
Since I ride mostly on sparsely traveled country roads I don't have too many run-ins with motorists. I'm not a bike snob, I just enjoy riding (and racing) my bike. (I also enjoy driving my cars.) Since I really do have "training" rides, I prefer to not have to stop every block for stop lights/signs. Riding the country gives me miles and miles of uninterrupted riding. I do treat country stop signs as yield signs when I can see that it is safe from all directions. (Being from the midwest, it sucks once the corn gets high. I have to slow to a crawl at even non-marked intersections.)

In the city I ride in the road but don't hog a lane. Personally I'd like the cars to get around me as quickly as possible. Less chance for them to hit me from the front. I typically avoid bike lanes since they are just the collection lanes for where the street sweepers push the busted glass, etc. There are a couple places where I chose the bike lane instead of the heavier traveled road. And it's annoying when I have to either swerve into the road or ride through the grass to avoid the group of joggers taking up the whole bike lane.

The biggest problem I have with assh*le motorists are the guys in jacked up trucks with 'truck balls' that like to pass me (or a group) slowly then hammer it leaving us in a cloud of diesel smoke. I guess that kind of thing makes them feel better about being 100lbs overweight when they see a group of fit guys riding bikes. The other thing that's annoying is these motorists think they're experts in traffic laws. In my area it's illegal to ride a bike on a sidewalk and it is legal for cyclists to ride in a double single-file line (just like motorcycles). Despite this we get yelled at to go single file or get on the sidewalk quite a bit. All of this in the short amount of time we're riding on city streets to get out to the country.

Living in a college town I see a lot of what probably gets people upset about cyclists. Unfortunately people seem to generalize. Once they see one idiot cyclist, they lump us all together.

/bored morning
//needs to get on the bike today
2013-01-01 12:47:06 PM
2 votes:
Im sure this will work just as well for roller-bladers as cyclists...

Just remember to spray it with PAM so the spandex, santorum and smug doesn't ruin your paint.

www.snowplowpartscanada.com
2013-01-01 12:39:47 PM
2 votes:

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Romeo_Santana: Same road, Same rules, Same proportional taxes..

Buy a license plate for your bike, or get it the fark off the street!

Locally, reg fees are by vehicle value. Other places by weight or horsepower. You do want to be fair in those fees, right?
Here's the yearly dime for my bike. Happy now?


Don't forget a proportional cost of enforcement of the rules cyclists regularly ignore.
2013-01-01 12:11:39 PM
2 votes:
All of the same 'bicycle vs car' arguments hold up for 'skaters vs bicycles'. The only difference is the smug cyclists are the ones who are going to be annoyed.

For all the 'share the road' stuff they throw around, the second you go into their 'bicycle lane' you'd damn better be on a bicycle or they'll eat you alive.
2013-01-01 12:09:48 PM
2 votes:
I hope this means they can get DUIs.

Of course the average inline skater is so goddamned clumsy it'd be hard to pick out the drunk ones.
2013-01-01 12:09:17 PM
2 votes:
Roller girl she's taking chances...
2013-01-03 07:57:46 AM
1 votes:

MindStalker: If the cyclist was a slow moving motorcycle you wouldn't be so pissed.


Yes I would.
2013-01-01 10:41:22 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Judging from your one screenshot, if somebody wanted to turn at that intersection, they'd have to dismount and walk across that median (I have no idea if there's a fence or anything there), so that would be a big part of why I might choose to use the road instead. Maybe these bikers are employees at said industrial park, trying to get to work.


Out of dozens of bikes that I see on that road each day for the past five years, I have never once seen one turn at that intersection.

And so what if it's a poorly designed path, it's still far safer than running a red light and ending up under a truck.

Every accident I've seen so far, has been between a truck turning left on a green light, and a cyclist running a red light in the passing lane of the eastbound lanes.

There's absolutely zero need to cross the road, or even go in the grass, all they have to do is get on the shoulder or right lane when running a red light and they'll be in zero danger (or at least no more danger than the rest of the road). Instead, they purposely place themselves as close as they possibly can to oncoming traffic so they can be made a martyr and get even more protesters to come out and clog the road demanding that something be done about the dangerous intersection that is largely accident-free except for red light running cyclists who claim that the intersection is dangerous.

For reference, I've color coded the spots I'm talking about.

The blue line is the bike path. The yellow line is the shoulder, and the red line is the path of nearly every red light running bike that gets hit by a semi truck.
In the opposite direction, I rarely see bikes at all, and I've never once seen one attempt to go through that red light.

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2013-01-01 09:50:32 PM
1 votes:
This situation is typically marked with signage "Share the Road", indicating that cyclists and autos are using the same lane. Generally, those lanes aren't wide enough for an auto to pass safely, and so those cars shouldn't make the situation worse by passing at all.

"Share the road" seems to mean "the people in charge of this road would like to be considered bicycle-friendly."

There is a recently-standardized sign that reads "bicycles may use full lane." It is meant for use where a lane has been made too narrow for safe sharing. Strictly speaking it doesn't override state law on the subject of bicycles, but it would take a jerk cop to enforce the statute when the sign directs otherwise. It's like those signs directing trucks into the left lane when the right lane's pavement is beat up. State law may require slow traffic to keep right. The state DOT can not change state law on its own initiative. But trucks move left and don't get ticketed for obeying the sign rather than the law.
2013-01-01 09:49:34 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Fwiw they don't have those "blacktop bike paths" around here, so I'm not totally familiar with the concept. There is one section of road that I ride which has a sidewalk that people seem to think is such a "bike path", but it's not. It's a sidewalk. I'd rather not mow down a bunch of pedestrians.


http://i.imgur.com/oQBEq.jpg

This bike path is separated from the road, has no roads or driveways crossing over it, and it as built specifically so cyclists could avoid the traffic from the industrial park.

At least a few times a month, there's an accident at that intersection because some cyclist decided to play chicken against a Semi with a green light, while they could have taken the bike path and went through at full speed without even knowing the intersection is there.

Despite the fact that the bike path has absolutely zero distractions for the entire length of the road, I only see cyclists use it once or twice a year. Meanwhile, the main road is clogged with critical-mass-style protesters slowing the entire road down in what was originally a protest for that very bike path they refuse to use, and the rest of the cyclists just go between (and often under) the semi trucks that the bike path was meant to let them avoid in the first place.
2013-01-01 08:35:32 PM
1 votes:

steve_wmn: hockeychick: Question to bikers, why do people ride in the middle of my street when there's a blacktop bike path not 10ft away going the same direction you are? Just curious.

Because those bike paths inevitably have to intersect with roads and no one is looking for a bike coming out of one of those, meaning you have to stop at every intersection when riding on one. If you ride on the roads you get seen more reliably and you can take advantage of the green lights that come your way. Plus they're often graded and paved to a lower standard than the roads. And they seldom take you all the way from point A to point B, so you have to get used to riding on the roads part of the way anyway. Might as well just use the roads.



If you want to know the real reason why so few US roads have bike lanes/paths, this is it.

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars building a safe bike path, as the cyclists demanded, then those paths go completely unused, so the politicians deem them a waste of money and never build another.
2013-01-01 07:04:51 PM
1 votes:
Question to bikers, why do people ride in the middle of my street when there's a blacktop bike path not 10ft away going the same direction you are? Just curious.
2013-01-01 06:26:45 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: What are his intentions?!?! I can't understand!!!!!


Hand signals are stupid for that reason (nobody knows what they mean) and others (what kind of moron do you have to be to think you'll be safer with one hand off the handlebars while you're riding a bike in traffic?)

As a cyclist, if a motorist ever has to read, infer, or otherwise guess my intentions, I've already farked up.  I survive in traffic with one simple rule: <i>stay out of peoples' way.</i>  It's actually not that hard, even in a busy urban environment.
2013-01-01 05:59:19 PM
1 votes:
"Drivers break the law on occasion so I don't have to stop for stop signs"

Try arguing that point under the wheels of a dump truck.
2013-01-01 05:07:57 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: ski9600: I'd like to just put this out there for the cyclists. Cyclists, I just need you to know that there are many large vehicles out there on the streets that are having trouble reading your intention and I'm afraid that if there is an accident, you might be injured or killed. In fact, I'm pretty sure of that. In respect to my insurance rates, I'd appreciate it if you would follow the laws of the country, state or city that you are traveling in.

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What are his intentions?!?! I can't understand!!!!!


The fact that you had to use an illustration rather than a photograph or youtube video should be a clue how often those signals are used in the real world.
2013-01-01 04:33:14 PM
1 votes:
I'd like to just put this out there for the cyclists. Cyclists, I just need you to know that there are many large vehicles out there on the streets that are having trouble reading your intention and I'm afraid that if there is an accident, you might be injured or killed. In fact, I'm pretty sure of that. In respect to my insurance rates, I'd appreciate it if you would follow the laws of the country, state or city that you are traveling in.
2013-01-01 04:20:51 PM
1 votes:

gingerjet: Most fark'rs have an irrational hatred of cyclists and have this entitled opinion that the only thing that deserves to be on the road are their fat asses.  That hatred usually stems from somewhere else


Pot. Kettle.

Also, quit making stuff up.
2013-01-01 04:18:43 PM
1 votes:

gingerjet: No its not.  Most fark'rs have an irrational hatred of cyclists and have this entitled opinion that the only thing that deserves to be on the road are their fat asses.  That hatred usually stems from somewhere else.  Its about time we talk about where ...


Cyclists as a whole are fine. The only reason I don't cycle myself is because I don't live within easy biking distance of anywhere I need to go, and I'm disabled (bad leg, not "bad thyroid").

The cyclists I have a problem with are those who dart out across 50MPH cross traffic against a red light, those who ride three abreast at 15MPH as a protest against the lack of a bike lane (the city did put in a bike lane, but the protesters decided they liked the road better), and those who go out of their way to escalate any incident that should be over within seconds.

I also have a problem with car drivers who do the same, but asshole drivers are generally easier to avoid, take fewer risks, and are somewhat less common (as a precentage) because they know they will get fined and/or lose their license if they get caught or cause an accident.
2013-01-01 03:59:38 PM
1 votes:

gingerjet: Krazikarl: Good subject change when you didn't like the direction that the conversation was going.

Yes, I agree that the assholes are often, or even usually, the driver. Yes, I agree that a ton of drivers are clueless and will yell at bikers to "get off the road" even when the bikers are 100% in the right.

But what does this have to do with the argument that bikers should be ticketed when they break the law in a way that screws over others? Hint: it's a complete non sequitur.

No its not.  Most fark'rs have an irrational hatred of cyclists and have this entitled opinion that the only thing that deserves to be on the road are their fat asses.  That hatred usually stems from somewhere else.  Its about time we talk about where ...

/they also don't have a clue who pays for the roads and how taxes work but I digress


Why is it assumed that everyone in a car is fat?
2013-01-01 03:48:22 PM
1 votes:

Kraftwerk Orange: joonyer: If the cyclist is actually in the car lane, for whatever reason, then they need to stay in line like everyone else, basically act like a car.

So, you're saying that they should take the lane, and that drivers shouldn't pass them, except when there is a dotted yellow line in their lane?


I'm not saying what should or should not happen. I'm just stating what the law implies in most places I've ridden. I drive and I ride and I live in a very bike friendly city(Fort Collins, CO). If I find myself riding in the actual car traffic lane(I define this as "the car traffic behind me either can't or won't pass me because my bike is taking up too much of their lane to do it safely), I do my best to keep up with car speeds, be predictable and deliberate in my riding(don't lock 'em up, you gonna get crushed), and get my ass back to a bike lane as soon as safely possible.
2013-01-01 03:28:08 PM
1 votes:

firefly212: cmb53208: Fluid: Is there no such thing as separate bicycle lanes on US roads? I'm not really up-to-date on how that kinda thing works in other countries.

On the streets in many US cities there are separate lanes for bicycles. And next to these lanes you will see bikers merrily going down the sidewalk with no regard for the pedestrians who use them.

And you'll see cars parked in bike lanes, passing in bike lanes, or just driving merrily along in them tailgating bicyclists who they think have no business being in "their" road.


Bull shiat.
2013-01-01 03:16:04 PM
1 votes:

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Skarekrough: From a pure logic standpoint it is hard to notice something that is well out of my view.

Very true.

Skarekrough: I notice bike riders because ...

Because of this there's a tendency to violate laws they should be observing ...

So, in conclusion, they're more likely to incur greater damage, prone to ignore driving laws because of the basic laws of physics in a situation they have willingly inserted themselves into, and they're whiny about it.

But (to me) those comments sound like you're saying 'most cyclists'. When in reality, it is just the ones you see and notice.


The world is filled with good examples. They have a tendency to become part of the background. It is the rare exceptions which give the others a bad name.

Last night when I was driving home I didn't notice the cars that did what they should have done. But I did notice the jackass in a black Nissan Pathfinder who turned into my lane where I had the right of way.

I was a suburban bicycle commuter for years. For a few months my schedule coincided with one of the Lance Armstrong wannabe's who would put himself in the middle of the road where the typical speed limit was 45 MPH. He would pass me as I made my way home along the shoulder and give me a wave thinking we had some sort of kinship. I knew the ire of those drivers he was holding up as they were just trying to make their way home would inherently also get directed upon me as well even though I was being a member of the "good example" group.
2013-01-01 03:09:09 PM
1 votes:

joonyer: What also sucks is that laws vary as to what constitutes a bike lane. In some cities, it doesn't need to be painted or anything, it's simply a given that the farthest right 3 feet of pavement is the bike lane. This can cause a wee bit of confusion on the road.


What people think:
"Cyclists keep to the right"

What the law usually says:
"Keep to the right as far as practicable, except when... (long list of otherwise)"

What many motorists think:
"Anywhere outside the furthest right 3 inches of paved surface is illegal."

What idiot motorists think:
"Fark you, you don't pay taxes. Get offa my road!"

What rational cyclists think and do:
"Keep to the right unless it is dangerous or I need to turn left"

What idiot cyclists, and POB's think:
"Fark you, I don't care, I ride where and how I want"

Which one are you?

/the vast majority of adult cyclists are or have been also motorists
2013-01-01 02:44:17 PM
1 votes:

YouPeopleAreCrazy: But (to me) those comments sound like you're saying 'most cyclists'. When in reality, it is just the ones you see and notice.


http://www.theatlanticcities.com/commute/2011/12/uncomfortable-relat io nship-between-bikes-and-red-lights/623/

According to this study, 70% of cyclists ran through the red light at intersections with a bike lane, and 40% at an intersection without a bike lane.

40% might not be "most", but it's certainly enough of a pattern to know that it's not one or two isolated incidents per month as you seem to be implying.
2013-01-01 02:31:16 PM
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serial_crusher: Skarekrough: Because of this there's a tendency to violate laws they should be observing because they feel they're not as safe as others on the road. The refuse to accept the personal responsibility for a situation they have willingly agreed to put themselves in.

What laws are you referring to specifically?  I mean, the traditional butthurt is that bikes run red lights and stop signs all the time.  But, I'm not really aware of any of those douchebags thinking that running a light somehow makes them safer.  They just don't want to be inconvenienced by having to stop.

Skarekrough: I also notice them because when an incident occurs they have more of a tendency to blow it out of proportion (become verbally or physically violent) compared to the reaction from another motorist.

As you said, we're more vulnerable to damage.  If you do something stupid that almost puts a dent in my bumper, I'm not going to be quite as pissed as I am when you do something stupid that almost kills me.
I think I tend to react equally angrily when I'm in my car, but my voice is muffled and my hand gestures are less visible, so it might be less noticeable.


A muffled voice or hand gesture is the least of my concerns.

In almost very car-on-car accident I have been in the demeanor of the other driver is of "these things happen, that's why they're called accidents." You exchange insurance, even lend a cell phone and work together to make things better. It isn't always as pleasant, but when something happens it's almost always easier to de-escalate. To make things worse you have to be dealing with two people that are just incredible pricks that WANT things to get out of control. And those situations are rare.

In the case of even a potential or near-accident with a cyclist the attitude is "you're an unobservant jerk who feels they're entitled to the road" of which the attitude is often times combined with a physical event (kicking the doors, spitting) and then disappearing into traffic. Generally I think this is the result of operating in a state of low-grade fear because despite laws on the books there's the laws of physics of which cyclists are at the distinct disadvantage.
2013-01-01 02:29:58 PM
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The Angry Hand of God: I asked you when I made the argument that bicyclists shouldn't be ticketed. Again, can you please point that out to me?


I said that the conversation was about "the argument that bikers should be ticketed when they break the law in a way that screws over others"

The key part is breaking a law in such a way that screws over others. You DID talk about that because you said it doesn't happen: "I have not seen this. As someone who has ridden a bike and skateboard frequently on roads, "blowing" through a stop sign in a busy intersection usually doesn't work out in the favor of the smaller vehicle. In any case, you can continue making things up..."

You said that bikers don't break the law in ways that screw over others. You then accused me of being a liar when I said that it does happen. Since breaking the law in a way that screws over others is a necessary condition for ticketing, you are basically arguing that there is no realistic situation in which a biker should be ticketed, and anybody who says otherwise is a liar.
2013-01-01 02:24:12 PM
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Forbidden Doughnut: My favorite: having to break suddenly (attempting a right-hand turn) as a cyclist blows right through a stop sign ( first behind, and then right past me).


Oh yes. Thats a classic.

Which brings me to an actual question:

It it legal for a cyclist to pass everybody on the right at a light, and then stop at the light? I honestly don't know.

You see it all the time in crowded cities. The cyclists gets passed by 10 cars, but then catches up to them when they are stopped at the light. The biker then passes them all on the right, and they all have to go through the process of passing the bike again when the light goes green. This can repeat itself many times over if there are lots of lights. I can never figure out if what the biker is doing is legal. Personally, I don't think it should be (since it really gums up traffic for everybody but the biker), but I could see it going either way.
2013-01-01 02:19:40 PM
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Krazikarl: I lived in a residential area near a major college campus while in grad school for 6 years, and it is an absolute epidemic in areas like that. I have to constantly brake for cyclists breaking the law.


My favorite: having to break suddenly (attempting a right-hand turn) as a cyclist blows right through a stop sign ( first behind, and then right past me).
2013-01-01 02:16:55 PM
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YouPeopleAreCrazy: Skarekrough: So, in conclusion, they're more likely to incur greater damage, prone to ignore driving laws because of the basic laws of physics in a situation they have willingly inserted themselves into, and they're whiny about it.

If you're looking for why people driving cars hate bicyclists you can start right there.

What you also don't notice is the commuter cyclist riding one block over, on a residential street. Obeying all the laws, slipping quietly through town. Why is he over there? Because it is a much easier ride, as opposed to being an idiot on the main through street.

But that guy never appears on your radar.


From a pure logic standpoint it is hard to notice something that is well out of my view.

Having had a commute which had several bike path crossings I was always willing to give cyclists the go-ahead if for no other reason than I know the dangers they have and wish them nothing more than safety when they're being courteous and observant.

My issue us not with them. Never has been and never will be.
2013-01-01 02:16:50 PM
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Tanukis_Parachute: january 1 and already had a run in with a cyclist that thought the stop sign was a 'suggestion'.
four way stop...i got there first. start to go and a biker blows thru from my right and starts yelling at me for having the audacity to slow him down.
he yelled at me that he was in 'training'. i guess it is training to be dead quicker.



Bullshiat.

A bicyclist blew through a 4 way stop, and you had a mental conversation and thought it was funny.
1) If he was training, he wouldn't have stopped. He just would have ridden to the next light and done the exact same thing
2) Thanks to the Doppler Effect, you wouldn't have been able to understand him.

Next time, cut out the pretend conversation, and just say "I guess he was training. Training to be dead quicker!"
2013-01-01 02:02:07 PM
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Marcintosh: Best damn system I've ever seen keeps the strollers out of the way so the bikes and roller blade folks can duke it out in peace.[www.updowntowners.com image 850x508]


Where I live has a paved trail around the rivers that is supposed to be shared. I wish that set up was thought about when they created the river park trails. A lot of times both the walkers and bikers get into each other's way. Usually it is either side not paying attention. There haven't been any real accidents but a lot of near misses between the two. Most of the time I blame the walkers who usually have pets or children and do not keep them close to the edge of the trail for other runners or cyclists to pass them.
2013-01-01 01:57:58 PM
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The Angry Hand of God: I have not seen this. As someone who has ridden a bike and skateboard frequently on roads, "blowing" through a stop sign in a busy intersection usually doesn't work out in the favor of the smaller vehicle. In any case, you can continue making things up, or regurgitating the same crap someone else said.


I see it constantly. You obviously have not ever lived near a college campus or in a heavily residential area inside of a large city. If you had lived in an area like that, you would see this behavior each and every day in the spring/summer. If you don't think that this happens, you simply have no clue.

It usually doesn't happen at busy intersections. You pulled the "busy" qualifier out of your ass so that you had a stronger argument. It happens in residential areas where traffic and car speed is lower. Cyclists know that they can essentially force cars to stop if they are at low speeds without too much of a threat to their safety.

Go to an area with lots of college students, and watch them bike around residential areas with some car traffic. Go ahead and tell me what percentage stop all the time at signs/lights. You will then have a clue of what you are talking about.
2013-01-01 01:55:58 PM
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If you use a public resource (the roads) you should do it responsibly and appropriately.

Pedestrians should be careful and not jaywalk. If they break the law, they should get ticketed.

Drivers should go through training (which they do) and get ticketed when they break the law (which happens, but not often enough).

Bikers should go through training (which they don't, at least not here) and get ticketed when they break the law (which they don't here).

Grow up and stop pretending that you, and your mode of transportation, is better than others. Do what's right for you, and don't screw others over.
2013-01-01 01:40:46 PM
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The Angry Hand of God:

I completely agree with this. To all those saying, "OMG, WHY U NO GIVE TICKETS TO CYCLISTS WHO RUN RED LIGHT?" I would love to see how many of you jaywalk.


Oh I get it, so bikers shouldn't have to stop at red lights because people jaywalk? Speaking as one who walks during non-working hours, I can say that bikers are a pest: get off the sidewalk, stop at red lights and stop signs, then maybe you can biatch about jaywalkers and speeders
2013-01-01 01:38:27 PM
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I love the "You drive 5 over the speed limit so I get to disregard stop lights and signs" argument.
2013-01-01 01:34:36 PM
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I just think it's bad that cyclists can phase between being a pedestrian and being a road vehicle. That can result in some confusion. "I'm a vehicle! Respect my right to the road. Oh a stop sign. I'm a pedestrian now! I don't have to stop for stop signs."
2013-01-01 01:33:53 PM
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Omnivorous: Illinois just made stop lights optional for motorcycles and bicycles. Link


No, not optional..
At a stop light on a bike, the previous choices were: A) wait forever because it does not register the bike mass (is the light broken?) B) wait until someone else comes along in a car to trigger the signal, C) run the light (breaking the law), or D) wait some unknown period of time until you determine that the light is broken.

This law codifies the 'reasonable wait time' to 2 minutes.
2013-01-01 01:29:16 PM
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Fluid: Is there no such thing as separate bicycle lanes on US roads? I'm not really up-to-date on how that kinda thing works in other countries.


On the streets in many US cities there are separate lanes for bicycles. And next to these lanes you will see bikers merrily going down the sidewalk with no regard for the pedestrians who use them.
2013-01-01 01:28:55 PM
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YouPeopleAreCrazy: What you also don't notice is the commuter cyclist riding one block over, on a residential street. Obeying all the laws, slipping quietly through town. Why is he over there? Because it is a much easier ride, as opposed to being an idiot on the main through street.

But that guy never appears on your radar.


There are wreckless bikers, and legal bikers, just as there are reckless and legal drivers.

The main difference is when a reckless car driver causes an accident with another car (such as driving full-speed into oncoming traffic), the reckless car driver usually doesn't call in a horde of other wreckless drivers to attack the other person.
2013-01-01 01:17:28 PM
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Too Pretty For Prison: I live in St. Louis. I doubt our problem is nearly as bad as it is in other cities, but there are enough here to make it an issue. I've seen them travel in packs and block lanes, run lights, run stop signs (that one is the worst - they treat them like they are completely optional), and there seems to be a complete disregard for hand signals.


I was visiting your fine town last summer, and driving down a street at 5pm following a pack of bicylists giving them decent room when suddenly one of them just pulled over, into my lane to make a left turn. No signal, no warning, just bam, right in front of me. If I hadn't been paying extremely close attention, he would have ended up bouncing off my front bumper.
2013-01-01 12:59:13 PM
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One last thought:

What we really need in the United States are dedicated bike lanes where there is a median divider between it and the motor vehicle lane, and traffic signals for bikes. Lots or European cities do this.

It obviously prevents both bikes and cars from wandering into the other's lane, minimizing the potential for accidents.

Example of the median divider:

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2013-01-01 12:57:51 PM
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Wait. Inline skates are still a thing?
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 12:53:20 PM
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They do this once a year or so at the college I work at. Its always funny listening to the bicyclists whine about getting as ticket for riding the wrong way on a one way street.

Boston police announced they were not enforcing traffic laws against bicyclists. Boston University police stepped in, to the surprise of students. One of the local papers had a Schadenfreude-inducing whinefest.

Three college students have died riding into or under trucks and buses so far this last year in the area around BU, with none of the drivers yet found at fault.
2013-01-01 12:46:00 PM
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sloshed_again: A cyclist will not do the damage a motorist will do.
Nor does a cyclist travel as fast as a motorist.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!


A cyclist still has brakes on their bike.  They need to learn to use them when they have the red light, especially when there are pedestrians in the crosswalk.
2013-01-01 12:42:34 PM
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thornhill: This is all an enforcement issue. If people believe laws are enforced, they don't break them.

Nobody driving a car runs a red or stop sign even if there is clearly no other car in the area because they know if the police catch them, there are going to be serious repercussions.

Cyclists never get pulled over and ticketed for breaking traffic laws; they conclude the laws are never enforced; and thus, don't think twice about breaking them.

Cities need to start putting traffic cops on corners and ticketing bicyclists.


I've wondered why they aren't required to put a license plate on their bicycles. Obviously, not every bicycle - the backlash would be enormous if they tried to make you license your 6 year old's training bike. But require licenses for bicycles that travel on roads where the speed limit is greater than 25. I live in St. Louis. I doubt our problem is nearly as bad as it is in other cities, but there are enough here to make it an issue. I've seen them travel in packs and block lanes, run lights, run stop signs (that one is the worst - they treat them like they are completely optional), and there seems to be a complete disregard for hand signals.

You make a great point. There are no consequences for breaking the law and they know it.
2013-01-01 12:30:21 PM
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Fark_Guy_Rob: For all the 'share the road' stuff they throw around, the second you go into their 'bicycle lane' you'd damn better be on a bicycle or they'll eat you alive.


Why would they do that? From what I've seen, the douche bags would rather ride three abreast on the road and block as much traffic as possible rather than use the well marked bike lane right next to them. They biatch about the lack of bike lanes, and when they get built, refuse to use them.

/especially in rock creek park in monkey county, md
2013-01-01 12:10:40 PM
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I'd say something about them needing to follow the laws when on the road, but then I realized this was Illinois...
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 11:27:33 AM
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ZAZ: If they are legally vehicles, does running one over count as vandalism rather than assault?


I'm pretty sure that would be assault. However spray painting or keying them would probably only be a misdemeanor vandalism charge. So it could turn out to be fun after all.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 11:15:33 AM
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If they are legally vehicles, does running one over count as vandalism rather than assault?
 
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