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2013-01-01 03:59:38 PM  

gingerjet: Krazikarl: Good subject change when you didn't like the direction that the conversation was going.

Yes, I agree that the assholes are often, or even usually, the driver. Yes, I agree that a ton of drivers are clueless and will yell at bikers to "get off the road" even when the bikers are 100% in the right.

But what does this have to do with the argument that bikers should be ticketed when they break the law in a way that screws over others? Hint: it's a complete non sequitur.

No its not.  Most fark'rs have an irrational hatred of cyclists and have this entitled opinion that the only thing that deserves to be on the road are their fat asses.  That hatred usually stems from somewhere else.  Its about time we talk about where ...

/they also don't have a clue who pays for the roads and how taxes work but I digress


Why is it assumed that everyone in a car is fat?
 
2013-01-01 04:04:12 PM  
I think it would be really funny if a bunch of roller-bladers clogged up the bike lane going 5 MPH, making a line of cyclists trying to do 12 MPH pile up behind them.
 
2013-01-01 04:12:12 PM  

Urmuf Hamer: Petit_Merdeux: If only cyclists observed all the traffic laws as diligently as motorists!

thurstonxhowell: Do you also get angry at pedestrians for thinking you should stay off the sidewalk?

Sarcasmatron is challenged by at least one of these posts

As an old, very fit user/owner of just about every form of conveyance implicit in this discussion I assert that the problem with all of them is that over a long enough period every single operator of any of them is at best an oblivious fool and at worst an ignorant incompetent inconsiderate waste of life.

/get teh hell off my road, sidewalk, bike lane, bike path, truck stop, runway, skate park, farmer's market and lawn,

//that is all


I like the cut of your jib. Is there an newsletter to subscribe to?
 
2013-01-01 04:12:48 PM  

Avery614: Ikam: Given some of the road conditions in Chicago, I predict a lot of inline skaters falling flat on their faces and getting run over by a city bus or a taxi driver when they hit one of the several million potholes that exist on our roads.

Hell, I'd pay a dollar to see that.....


dawnofthedad2010.files.wordpress.com

So, what you're saying is, that you'd buy that for a dollar?
 
2013-01-01 04:18:43 PM  

gingerjet: No its not.  Most fark'rs have an irrational hatred of cyclists and have this entitled opinion that the only thing that deserves to be on the road are their fat asses.  That hatred usually stems from somewhere else.  Its about time we talk about where ...


Cyclists as a whole are fine. The only reason I don't cycle myself is because I don't live within easy biking distance of anywhere I need to go, and I'm disabled (bad leg, not "bad thyroid").

The cyclists I have a problem with are those who dart out across 50MPH cross traffic against a red light, those who ride three abreast at 15MPH as a protest against the lack of a bike lane (the city did put in a bike lane, but the protesters decided they liked the road better), and those who go out of their way to escalate any incident that should be over within seconds.

I also have a problem with car drivers who do the same, but asshole drivers are generally easier to avoid, take fewer risks, and are somewhat less common (as a precentage) because they know they will get fined and/or lose their license if they get caught or cause an accident.
 
2013-01-01 04:20:51 PM  

gingerjet: Most fark'rs have an irrational hatred of cyclists and have this entitled opinion that the only thing that deserves to be on the road are their fat asses.  That hatred usually stems from somewhere else


Pot. Kettle.

Also, quit making stuff up.
 
2013-01-01 04:33:14 PM  
I'd like to just put this out there for the cyclists. Cyclists, I just need you to know that there are many large vehicles out there on the streets that are having trouble reading your intention and I'm afraid that if there is an accident, you might be injured or killed. In fact, I'm pretty sure of that. In respect to my insurance rates, I'd appreciate it if you would follow the laws of the country, state or city that you are traveling in.
 
2013-01-01 04:36:00 PM  

change1211: gingerjet: Krazikarl: Good subject change when you didn't like the direction that the conversation was going.

Yes, I agree that the assholes are often, or even usually, the driver. Yes, I agree that a ton of drivers are clueless and will yell at bikers to "get off the road" even when the bikers are 100% in the right.

But what does this have to do with the argument that bikers should be ticketed when they break the law in a way that screws over others? Hint: it's a complete non sequitur.

No its not.  Most fark'rs have an irrational hatred of cyclists and have this entitled opinion that the only thing that deserves to be on the road are their fat asses.  That hatred usually stems from somewhere else.  Its about time we talk about where ...

/they also don't have a clue who pays for the roads and how taxes work but I digress

Why is it assumed that everyone in a car is fat?


Because, statistically, everyone in America is fat, and most people drive. The bell curve resembles Rosie O'Donnell's gunt.
 
2013-01-01 04:57:45 PM  

ski9600: I'd like to just put this out there for the cyclists. Cyclists, I just need you to know that there are many large vehicles out there on the streets that are having trouble reading your intention and I'm afraid that if there is an accident, you might be injured or killed. In fact, I'm pretty sure of that. In respect to my insurance rates, I'd appreciate it if you would follow the laws of the country, state or city that you are traveling in.


www.drew.edu

What are his intentions?!?! I can't understand!!!!!
 
2013-01-01 04:58:22 PM  

Valiente: change1211: gingerjet: Krazikarl: Good subject change when you didn't like the direction that the conversation was going.

Yes, I agree that the assholes are often, or even usually, the driver. Yes, I agree that a ton of drivers are clueless and will yell at bikers to "get off the road" even when the bikers are 100% in the right.

But what does this have to do with the argument that bikers should be ticketed when they break the law in a way that screws over others? Hint: it's a complete non sequitur.

No its not.  Most fark'rs have an irrational hatred of cyclists and have this entitled opinion that the only thing that deserves to be on the road are their fat asses.  That hatred usually stems from somewhere else.  Its about time we talk about where ...

/they also don't have a clue who pays for the roads and how taxes work but I digress

Why is it assumed that everyone in a car is fat?

Because, statistically, everyone in America is fat, and most people drive. The bell curve resembles Rosie O'Donnell's gunt.


Statistically the CDC says something around 36% for obesity but yeah, that's a high enough percentage to make that assumption.
 
2013-01-01 05:07:57 PM  

serial_crusher: ski9600: I'd like to just put this out there for the cyclists. Cyclists, I just need you to know that there are many large vehicles out there on the streets that are having trouble reading your intention and I'm afraid that if there is an accident, you might be injured or killed. In fact, I'm pretty sure of that. In respect to my insurance rates, I'd appreciate it if you would follow the laws of the country, state or city that you are traveling in.

[www.drew.edu image 568x244]

What are his intentions?!?! I can't understand!!!!!


The fact that you had to use an illustration rather than a photograph or youtube video should be a clue how often those signals are used in the real world.
 
2013-01-01 05:16:42 PM  

the ha ha guy: serial_crusher: ski9600: I'd like to just put this out there for the cyclists. Cyclists, I just need you to know that there are many large vehicles out there on the streets that are having trouble reading your intention and I'm afraid that if there is an accident, you might be injured or killed. In fact, I'm pretty sure of that. In respect to my insurance rates, I'd appreciate it if you would follow the laws of the country, state or city that you are traveling in.

[www.drew.edu image 568x244]

What are his intentions?!?! I can't understand!!!!!

The fact that you had to use an illustration rather than a photograph or youtube video should be a clue how often those signals are used in the real world.


When I commuted by bike I used them but I was also very aware that most drivers probably had no clue what I was signaling and that many who did have a clue probably didn't care.
 
2013-01-01 05:20:53 PM  
Yea, another means of conveance for gas guzzling, the left lane belongs to me, road hogging, I am better at driving and following road rule laws than you, ITG Farkers to spout off about hitting with their cars.
I knew the turtles wouldn't be enough!
 
2013-01-01 05:59:19 PM  
"Drivers break the law on occasion so I don't have to stop for stop signs"

Try arguing that point under the wheels of a dump truck.
 
2013-01-01 06:05:45 PM  

Marcintosh:
There were a lot of complaints from either side.  People walking like to walk abreast and chat while walking, sometimes they have dogs as well or even children in strollers.
People on bikes like to do about 50-60mph.  The pavement is smooth and flat and that speed is easy to attain if you're a dedicated biker.
There were a few accidents.  The route kept gaining in popularity and became more crowded every month.  So in a flash of intelligence they expanded the system.
It's a pretty cool area in this respect.  In the spring the local DOT will shut down about 3miles of a redundant road every Sunday for the public to play on.


You clearly have no concept of speed. What you think is 50-60mph is probably closer to 20-25mph. The fastest riders in the world only ever achieve 50+ on a downhill portion of a mountain. The worlds top sprinters can get up to 50mph on the flats but only for a few hundred meters.
 
2013-01-01 06:16:02 PM  

Kirby Muxloe: Im sure this will work just as well for roller-bladers as cyclists...

Just remember to spray it with PAM so the spandex, santorum and smug doesn't ruin your paint.

[www.snowplowpartscanada.com image 652x412]


My thoughts EXACTLY! I live in this piece of shiat state and Im blowing my horn like a MFer if I see these ass-clowns on the road.
 
2013-01-01 06:26:45 PM  

serial_crusher: What are his intentions?!?! I can't understand!!!!!


Hand signals are stupid for that reason (nobody knows what they mean) and others (what kind of moron do you have to be to think you'll be safer with one hand off the handlebars while you're riding a bike in traffic?)

As a cyclist, if a motorist ever has to read, infer, or otherwise guess my intentions, I've already farked up.  I survive in traffic with one simple rule: <i>stay out of peoples' way.</i>  It's actually not that hard, even in a busy urban environment.
 
2013-01-01 06:28:25 PM  
I live in a college town and yea a lot of the college kids do stupid things on their bikes. They also do a lot of stupid things just walking around like extreme jaywalking with headphones on while looking at their phones. I really *don't* care if someone jaywalks in front of me in a 15 mph road on or near campus, but for your own safety please look around once in a while.,

However, the cyclists who are obviously very into it or who I see commute to work every single day *do* obey the rules of the road. They see me, I see them, everyone is happy. I've never seen these cyclists who don't obey stop lights and stuff that you guys claim to see. How would these people even survive??
 
2013-01-01 06:30:58 PM  

Puff The Destroyer: Kirby Muxloe: Im sure this will work just as well for roller-bladers as cyclists...

Just remember to spray it with PAM so the spandex, santorum and smug doesn't ruin your paint.

[www.snowplowpartscanada.com image 652x412]

My thoughts EXACTLY! I live in this piece of shiat state and Im blowing my horn like a MFer if I see these ass-clowns on the road.


(lookoutwe'vegotabadasshere.gif)
 
2013-01-01 06:45:50 PM  
I ride in NM, and roller bladers are the least of your worries. There are some nice multi use lanes along Tramway, going from almost 25, all the way down to I-40. When I first moved out here, I tried it on my road bike, thought I was gonna die. People withyappy dogs on leases and yapping themselves. were a big hazard. those little farkers darting around. Once I ran over a leash between owner and mutt. The guy yelled at me, and I promptly turned around and told him if he can't keep an eye on his dog, to get rid of it.I'm not wrecking my 14lb bike for anything. The Ipod and walkers are the worst. You go by someone at 25mph when they have an Ipod, and they think they're victims. Same goes for women walking in groups. You call out you're going to pass them, but they're not listening, then act shocked as you pass them. We're talking sometimes "4 cows wide". Now I ride on the shoulder, it's about 8' wide, and can go faster, and can even hit green lights. Always stop on Red, and don't be an ass, unless assed upon.I Ride on Tramway sometimes, up to the Sandia Peak tram. That's the hard part. Very steep, slow going even in low gear. But I come down like a rocket, making sure the brakes are in tip top shape. Last thing you want is a brake failure at 50mph. Carbon fiber sole shoes aren't good for that. And yes, I wear lycra when I ride, even in winter, but have thermal pants for that,
 
2013-01-01 07:04:51 PM  
Question to bikers, why do people ride in the middle of my street when there's a blacktop bike path not 10ft away going the same direction you are? Just curious.
 
2013-01-01 07:26:56 PM  
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2013-01-01 07:34:49 PM  

hockeychick: Question to bikers, why do people ride in the middle of my street when there's a blacktop bike path not 10ft away going the same direction you are? Just curious.


Often the blacktop bike path will be lacking in some way. For example it may have crossings at every side street, where a biker will have to slow down, check for traffic, and then proceed while if they were in the road 10 feet over they would just keep on going because there is no stop sign on the road. Such crossings are also much more dangerous because people turning from the main road onto the side road are not looking on the bike path for traffic travelling the same way as them and will cut you off with little or no warning. Leaf litter and puddles can also be a pain on trails.

Also is it a multi-use trail? sometimes those can get crowded with walkers, strollers, small kids, and dogs most of the day. It just isn't safe for the pedestrians or the biker for the latter be going 20mph on pavement too narrow to really allow for maneuvering. I know a few trails which get heavy use for bicycle commuters during the morning but don't get touched by people biking during the evening or weekend because of how crowded they get with walkers.

And sometimes people are jerks or just prefer to use the route they have biked for years, who knows.
 
2013-01-01 07:39:24 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: joonyer: If the cyclist is actually in the car lane, for whatever reason, then they need to stay in line like everyone else, basically act like a car.

So, you're saying that they should take the lane, and that drivers shouldn't pass them, except when there is a dotted yellow line in their lane?


Yes, and this can become a problem when the speed limit is 65mph and you (driver and bicyclist) are trying to summit a mountain pass and there is no shoulder. It's dangerous for both the driver and cyclist because approaching cars are traveling so fast and might swerve or not and impact either the driver, another driver or the cyclist.
But hey, Tour de France and all. It's good stuff, I like to watch it on TV.
 
2013-01-01 07:40:56 PM  

hockeychick: Question to bikers, why do people ride in the middle of my street when there's a blacktop bike path not 10ft away going the same direction you are? Just curious.


Because those bike paths inevitably have to intersect with roads and no one is looking for a bike coming out of one of those, meaning you have to stop at every intersection when riding on one. If you ride on the roads you get seen more reliably and you can take advantage of the green lights that come your way. Plus they're often graded and paved to a lower standard than the roads. And they seldom take you all the way from point A to point B, so you have to get used to riding on the roads part of the way anyway. Might as well just use the roads.
 
2013-01-01 07:42:51 PM  
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2013-01-01 07:47:32 PM  

steve_wmn: hockeychick: Question to bikers, why do people ride in the middle of my street when there's a blacktop bike path not 10ft away going the same direction you are? Just curious.

Because those bike paths inevitably have to intersect with roads and no one is looking for a bike coming out of one of those, meaning you have to stop at every intersection when riding on one. If you ride on the roads you get seen more reliably and you can take advantage of the green lights that come your way. Plus they're often graded and paved to a lower standard than the roads. And they seldom take you all the way from point A to point B, so you have to get used to riding on the roads part of the way anyway. Might as well just use the roads.


So, basically, "Fark you to all of the motorists whose way I get in. I'm willing to inflict incredible inconveniences on a large number of other people in order to spare myself a relatively modest inconvenience."
 
2013-01-01 08:35:32 PM  

steve_wmn: hockeychick: Question to bikers, why do people ride in the middle of my street when there's a blacktop bike path not 10ft away going the same direction you are? Just curious.

Because those bike paths inevitably have to intersect with roads and no one is looking for a bike coming out of one of those, meaning you have to stop at every intersection when riding on one. If you ride on the roads you get seen more reliably and you can take advantage of the green lights that come your way. Plus they're often graded and paved to a lower standard than the roads. And they seldom take you all the way from point A to point B, so you have to get used to riding on the roads part of the way anyway. Might as well just use the roads.



If you want to know the real reason why so few US roads have bike lanes/paths, this is it.

We spend hundreds of thousands of tax dollars building a safe bike path, as the cyclists demanded, then those paths go completely unused, so the politicians deem them a waste of money and never build another.
 
2013-01-01 08:46:25 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Romeo_Santana: Same road, Same rules, Same proportional taxes..

Buy a license plate for your bike, or get it the fark off the street!

Locally, reg fees are by vehicle value. Other places by weight or horsepower. You do want to be fair in those fees, right?
Here's the yearly dime for my bike. Happy now?


they normally include an administration fee in the vehicle registration fee to cover costs. So make that %500.10, please (it's a pension thing).
 
2013-01-01 09:19:08 PM  

Tommy Moo: steve_wmn: hockeychick: Question to bikers, why do people ride in the middle of my street when there's a blacktop bike path not 10ft away going the same direction you are? Just curious.

Because those bike paths inevitably have to intersect with roads and no one is looking for a bike coming out of one of those, meaning you have to stop at every intersection when riding on one. If you ride on the roads you get seen more reliably and you can take advantage of the green lights that come your way. Plus they're often graded and paved to a lower standard than the roads. And they seldom take you all the way from point A to point B, so you have to get used to riding on the roads part of the way anyway. Might as well just use the roads.

So, basically, "Fark you to all of the motorists whose way I get in. I'm willing to inflict incredible inconveniences on a large number of other people in order to spare myself a relatively modest inconvenience."


Changing lanes and passing a slower moving vehicle rates as an "incredible inconvenience" in your book, but stopping at every intersection and/or being t-boned by some idiot who turns without looking is only a "modest" inconvenience?

Sounds more like you're only rating the inconveniences on whether or not they inconvenience you, snowflake.

Fwiw they don't have those "blacktop bike paths" around here, so I'm not totally familiar with the concept. There is one section of road that I ride which has a sidewalk that people seem to think is such a "bike path", but it's not. It's a sidewalk. I'd rather not mow down a bunch of pedestrians.
 
2013-01-01 09:35:37 PM  

joonyer: If I find myself riding in the actual car traffic lane(I define this as "the car traffic behind me either can't or won't pass me because my bike is taking up too much of their lane to do it safely)


Fair enough. This situation is typically marked with signage "Share the Road", indicating that cyclists and autos are using the same lane. Generally, those lanes aren't wide enough for an auto to pass safely, and so those cars shouldn't make the situation worse by passing at all. OTOH, most bicyclists aren't going fast enough to overtake such traffic on those roads - until traffic approaches a stop sign or light. In those situations, there is nothing inherently unsafe (or illegal) for a bicyclist to pass slow or stopped auto traffic on the right, as long as they exercise "due care". In my locale, bikes can even ride on the right shoulder, if necessary, to avoid traffic, and by doing so are able to pass quite easily.

I too live in a very bike-friendly area, and do my best to avoid anything that might get myself or another road user hurt. For 15 years I've managed to "Share the Road", and the only time I ever got hit was by a driver who ran a red light.

ski9600: Kraftwerk Orange: joonyer: If the cyclist is actually in the car lane, for whatever reason, then they need to stay in line like everyone else, basically act like a car.

Yes, and this can become a problem when the speed limit is 65mph and you (driver and bicyclist) are trying to summit a mountain pass and there is no shoulder. It's dangerous for both the driver and cyclist because approaching cars are traveling so fast and might swerve or not and impact either the driver, another driver or the cyclist.
But hey, Tour de France and all. It's good stuff, I like to watch it on TV.


In that case, the only safe action is for the following car to slow down to an appropriately safe and slow speed behind the bicyclist. You say there is no shoulder, so there is no safe area for a bicyclist to pull over, but when such an area appears, the bike should move over (stopping if need be) and let traffic pass. Only a foolish motorist would put themselves and oncoming traffic at risk by attempting to pass a bicyclist in such a scenario.

joonyer: Kraftwerk Orange: joonyer: If the cyclist is actually in the car lane, for whatever reason, then they need to stay in line like everyone else, basically act like a car.


Also, what I was really trying to say in my original statement is that cyclists should not be dodging and weaving from the car traffic lane, to the bike lane, to the sidewalk, and back again, just so they don't have to slow down for anything. That be some boolsheet.



Bicyclists should stay in the bike lane if there is one, but they are allowed to leave the bike lane if needed to pass an obstruction. Sorry you don't like it, but we're allowed to swerve if we need to, just like a car can swerve if they need to. I agree sidewalks are off-limits. I once made a few older black ladies bust out laughing when I very loudly chastised two military school cadets for riding on the sidewalks, explaining that only little girls were allowed to do such a thing (well, all children under 12 are allowed to here, anyway). They got the point, moved into the proper place on the roadway, and one actually apologized, thoroughly embarrassed.
 
2013-01-01 09:43:45 PM  

ancker: Marcintosh:
There were a lot of complaints from either side.  People walking like to walk abreast and chat while walking, sometimes they have dogs as well or even children in strollers.
People on bikes like to do about 50-60mph.  The pavement is smooth and flat and that speed is easy to attain if you're a dedicated biker.
There were a few accidents.  The route kept gaining in popularity and became more crowded every month.  So in a flash of intelligence they expanded the system.
It's a pretty cool area in this respect.  In the spring the local DOT will shut down about 3miles of a redundant road every Sunday for the public to play on.

You clearly have no concept of speed. What you think is 50-60mph is probably closer to 20-25mph. The fastest riders in the world only ever achieve 50+ on a downhill portion of a mountain. The worlds top sprinters can get up to 50mph on the flats but only for a few hundred meters.


I broke 50 mph once...once. This was on a downhill on my road bike that I rode home from work every day and I busted my ass to break that speed barrier. It was an old heavy bike but I tried to break 50 mph every day for over a year and managed it only that one time. The driver I passed wasn't too happy about it considering I passed him on the double yellow (I did turn left into my apartment complex at the bottom of the hill so it's not like I passed him and went back over to the right shoulder) and had a cop been at the bottom of the hill I'd have been in trouble. It was a 25 mph speed limit.
 
2013-01-01 09:49:34 PM  

serial_crusher: Fwiw they don't have those "blacktop bike paths" around here, so I'm not totally familiar with the concept. There is one section of road that I ride which has a sidewalk that people seem to think is such a "bike path", but it's not. It's a sidewalk. I'd rather not mow down a bunch of pedestrians.


http://i.imgur.com/oQBEq.jpg

This bike path is separated from the road, has no roads or driveways crossing over it, and it as built specifically so cyclists could avoid the traffic from the industrial park.

At least a few times a month, there's an accident at that intersection because some cyclist decided to play chicken against a Semi with a green light, while they could have taken the bike path and went through at full speed without even knowing the intersection is there.

Despite the fact that the bike path has absolutely zero distractions for the entire length of the road, I only see cyclists use it once or twice a year. Meanwhile, the main road is clogged with critical-mass-style protesters slowing the entire road down in what was originally a protest for that very bike path they refuse to use, and the rest of the cyclists just go between (and often under) the semi trucks that the bike path was meant to let them avoid in the first place.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-01 09:50:32 PM  
This situation is typically marked with signage "Share the Road", indicating that cyclists and autos are using the same lane. Generally, those lanes aren't wide enough for an auto to pass safely, and so those cars shouldn't make the situation worse by passing at all.

"Share the road" seems to mean "the people in charge of this road would like to be considered bicycle-friendly."

There is a recently-standardized sign that reads "bicycles may use full lane." It is meant for use where a lane has been made too narrow for safe sharing. Strictly speaking it doesn't override state law on the subject of bicycles, but it would take a jerk cop to enforce the statute when the sign directs otherwise. It's like those signs directing trucks into the left lane when the right lane's pavement is beat up. State law may require slow traffic to keep right. The state DOT can not change state law on its own initiative. But trucks move left and don't get ticketed for obeying the sign rather than the law.
 
2013-01-01 10:09:53 PM  

ZAZ: This situation is typically marked with signage "Share the Road", indicating that cyclists and autos are using the same lane. Generally, those lanes aren't wide enough for an auto to pass safely, and so those cars shouldn't make the situation worse by passing at all.

"Share the road" seems to mean "the people in charge of this road would like to be considered bicycle-friendly."

There is a recently-standardized sign that reads "bicycles may use full lane." It is meant for use where a lane has been made too narrow for safe sharing. Strictly speaking it doesn't override state law on the subject of bicycles, but it would take a jerk cop to enforce the statute when the sign directs otherwise. It's like those signs directing trucks into the left lane when the right lane's pavement is beat up. State law may require slow traffic to keep right. The state DOT can not change state law on its own initiative. But trucks move left and don't get ticketed for obeying the sign rather than the law.


The "bikes may use full lane" signs annoy me. They give idiots the idea that that's only the case on roads with that sign.
 
2013-01-01 10:12:08 PM  

serial_crusher: Those guys can go pretty fast.  Not as fast as a bike, but close.


I inline for cardio. It's not uncommon for me to be faster than all of the bikes on the trail/road.

FWIW.
 
2013-01-01 10:14:19 PM  

the ha ha guy: serial_crusher: Fwiw they don't have those "blacktop bike paths" around here, so I'm not totally familiar with the concept. There is one section of road that I ride which has a sidewalk that people seem to think is such a "bike path", but it's not. It's a sidewalk. I'd rather not mow down a bunch of pedestrians.

http://i.imgur.com/oQBEq.jpg

This bike path is separated from the road, has no roads or driveways crossing over it, and it as built specifically so cyclists could avoid the traffic from the industrial park.

At least a few times a month, there's an accident at that intersection because some cyclist decided to play chicken against a Semi with a green light, while they could have taken the bike path and went through at full speed without even knowing the intersection is there.

Despite the fact that the bike path has absolutely zero distractions for the entire length of the road, I only see cyclists use it once or twice a year. Meanwhile, the main road is clogged with critical-mass-style protesters slowing the entire road down in what was originally a protest for that very bike path they refuse to use, and the rest of the cyclists just go between (and often under) the semi trucks that the bike path was meant to let them avoid in the first place.


Sounds like a poorly designed bike path. There seems to be a perfectly good shoulder on that road. Why not just smooth it out for use as a bike lane?

Judging from your one screenshot, if somebody wanted to turn at that intersection, they'd have to dismount and walk across that median (I have no idea if there's a fence or anything there), so that would be a big part of why I might choose to use the road instead. Maybe these bikers are employees at said industrial park, trying to get to work.
 
2013-01-01 10:34:20 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Don't forget a proportional cost of enforcement of the rules cyclists regularly ignore.

As opposed to the speeders and red light runners in motor vehicles? Please.
Now add in the cost to take care of the damage done by the respective vehicles. 200lbs (me+bike) crashing into something does not begin to approach the damage of 4600lbs (me+F-150) crashing into something.

I fully agree that a LOT of cyclists routinely do stupid shiat. Blow red lights and stop signs, ride the wrong direction, etc, etc, etc. Asshats.
But so do motor vehicle operators. I could pick any random 1000 yard stretch of street here, and I would be surprised if the percentage of MV operators breaking some law was under 80%.

You notice the bike riders, because they annoy you. If one were to follow you around, how many laws do you break on a normal day?


Well, considering I work from home and rarely drive none there. I also live in downtown and you'll get smoked if you jaywalk, so none there either. Umm, I guess I'm just courteous? I suppose that's why I would like to see everyone follow the law. Even retards on bikes.

/I do, what makes you better than me?
 
2013-01-01 10:34:56 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: YouPeopleAreCrazy: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Don't forget a proportional cost of enforcement of the rules cyclists regularly ignore.

As opposed to the speeders and red light runners in motor vehicles? Please.
Now add in the cost to take care of the damage done by the respective vehicles. 200lbs (me+bike) crashing into something does not begin to approach the damage of 4600lbs (me+F-150) crashing into something.

I fully agree that a LOT of cyclists routinely do stupid shiat. Blow red lights and stop signs, ride the wrong direction, etc, etc, etc. Asshats.
But so do motor vehicle operators. I could pick any random 1000 yard stretch of street here, and I would be surprised if the percentage of MV operators breaking some law was under 80%.

You notice the bike riders, because they annoy you. If one were to follow you around, how many laws do you break on a normal day?

I completely agree with this. To all those saying, "OMG, WHY U NO GIVE TICKETS TO CYCLISTS WHO RUN RED LIGHT?" I would love to see how many of you jaywalk.


I don't.
 
2013-01-01 10:38:12 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: YouPeopleAreCrazy: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Don't forget a proportional cost of enforcement of the rules cyclists regularly ignore.

As opposed to the speeders and red light runners in motor vehicles? Please.
Now add in the cost to take care of the damage done by the respective vehicles. 200lbs (me+bike) crashing into something does not begin to approach the damage of 4600lbs (me+F-150) crashing into something.

I fully agree that a LOT of cyclists routinely do stupid shiat. Blow red lights and stop signs, ride the wrong direction, etc, etc, etc. Asshats.
But so do motor vehicle operators. I could pick any random 1000 yard stretch of street here, and I would be surprised if the percentage of MV operators breaking some law was under 80%.

You notice the bike riders, because they annoy you. If one were to follow you around, how many laws do you break on a normal day?

Well, considering I work from home and rarely drive none there. I also live in downtown and you'll get smoked if you jaywalk, so none there either. Umm, I guess I'm just courteous? I suppose that's why I would like to see everyone follow the law. Even retards on bikes.

/I do, what makes you better than me?


I don't use the word "retard" casually.
 
2013-01-01 10:41:22 PM  

serial_crusher: Judging from your one screenshot, if somebody wanted to turn at that intersection, they'd have to dismount and walk across that median (I have no idea if there's a fence or anything there), so that would be a big part of why I might choose to use the road instead. Maybe these bikers are employees at said industrial park, trying to get to work.


Out of dozens of bikes that I see on that road each day for the past five years, I have never once seen one turn at that intersection.

And so what if it's a poorly designed path, it's still far safer than running a red light and ending up under a truck.

Every accident I've seen so far, has been between a truck turning left on a green light, and a cyclist running a red light in the passing lane of the eastbound lanes.

There's absolutely zero need to cross the road, or even go in the grass, all they have to do is get on the shoulder or right lane when running a red light and they'll be in zero danger (or at least no more danger than the rest of the road). Instead, they purposely place themselves as close as they possibly can to oncoming traffic so they can be made a martyr and get even more protesters to come out and clog the road demanding that something be done about the dangerous intersection that is largely accident-free except for red light running cyclists who claim that the intersection is dangerous.

For reference, I've color coded the spots I'm talking about.

The blue line is the bike path. The yellow line is the shoulder, and the red line is the path of nearly every red light running bike that gets hit by a semi truck.
In the opposite direction, I rarely see bikes at all, and I've never once seen one attempt to go through that red light.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-01 11:32:28 PM  

the ha ha guy: Every accident I've seen so far, has been between a truck turning left on a green light, and a cyclist running a red light in the passing lane of the eastbound lanes.


ok, either your area is the moron center of the world or you're full of shiat.
 
2013-01-02 12:40:00 AM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Likewise, I get the frantic wavers as well,


I hate the wavers. I SEE YOU. That's why you're waving at me. farking Go.

It gets especially bad when walking around college campuses. I'll time it right to step right off the curb and behind a car. I've had someone lock it up on me before. At which point I just stood there and stared at them until they drove through.

The Angry Hand of God: I would love to see how many of you jaywalk.


You know it's only jaywalking if you're impeding traffic. As in if there are 0 cars on the road it's not jay walking. Stop signs are not so optional.
 
2013-01-02 12:42:21 AM  
If this law didn't originate in the Midwest I wouldn't be so farking terrified of it moving to Portland, but alas...
 
2013-01-02 04:20:49 AM  

al's hat: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: YouPeopleAreCrazy: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Don't forget a proportional cost of enforcement of the rules cyclists regularly ignore.

As opposed to the speeders and red light runners in motor vehicles? Please.
Now add in the cost to take care of the damage done by the respective vehicles. 200lbs (me+bike) crashing into something does not begin to approach the damage of 4600lbs (me+F-150) crashing into something.

I fully agree that a LOT of cyclists routinely do stupid shiat. Blow red lights and stop signs, ride the wrong direction, etc, etc, etc. Asshats.
But so do motor vehicle operators. I could pick any random 1000 yard stretch of street here, and I would be surprised if the percentage of MV operators breaking some law was under 80%.

You notice the bike riders, because they annoy you. If one were to follow you around, how many laws do you break on a normal day?

Well, considering I work from home and rarely drive none there. I also live in downtown and you'll get smoked if you jaywalk, so none there either. Umm, I guess I'm just courteous? I suppose that's why I would like to see everyone follow the law. Even retards on bikes.

/I do, what makes you better than me?

I don't use the word "retard" casually.


Wow, setting that bar awfully high.
 
2013-01-02 08:51:31 AM  

Tommy Moo: steve_wmn: hockeychick: Question to bikers, why do people ride in the middle of my street when there's a blacktop bike path not 10ft away going the same direction you are? Just curious.

Because those bike paths inevitably have to intersect with roads and no one is looking for a bike coming out of one of those, meaning you have to stop at every intersection when riding on one. If you ride on the roads you get seen more reliably and you can take advantage of the green lights that come your way. Plus they're often graded and paved to a lower standard than the roads. And they seldom take you all the way from point A to point B, so you have to get used to riding on the roads part of the way anyway. Might as well just use the roads.

So, basically, "Fark you to all of the motorists whose way I get in. I'm willing to inflict incredible inconveniences on a large number of other people in order to spare myself a relatively modest inconvenience."


As other guy said, people often turn right over cycle lanes and run over cyclist. Cycle lane on the far right really aren't safe due to this. Generally the cyclist in the middle of a road is attempting to go as close to the speed limit as they possibly can. If the cyclist was a slow moving motorcycle you wouldn't be so pissed.
 
2013-01-02 09:22:12 AM  

darkscout: You know it's only jaywalking if you're impeding traffic.


It's also only jaywalking if you're within a block that's adjacent to an intersection with a crosswalk.
 
2013-01-03 07:57:46 AM  

MindStalker: If the cyclist was a slow moving motorcycle you wouldn't be so pissed.


Yes I would.
 
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