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2013-01-01 04:40:25 AM
relcec: I have a friend from stockton.
he'll deny up and down that it is the biggest piece of shiat west of the mississipi river.

After Brenda Ann Spencer, Stockton practically INVENTED crazed gunman shooting kids @ school-& gave us Pavement
Link
 
2013-01-01 04:40:27 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Granola? WTF is wrong with you? Don't you know how much fat there is in most granola? Sure, it makes a great exfoliant, but it's hell on the plumbing when you have to rinse it off and you'd certainly never want to eat it unless you're a Fatty McFatterson or want to be one.

/chubby, but still not eating granola
//why add fuel to the fire?


//"Accidentally" drops a box of organic granola by RWDA just to see if it gets picked up.
///Resistance is futile to ex granola junkies.
 
2013-01-01 04:41:50 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: tinfoil-hat maggie: Real Women Drink Akvavit: tinfoil-hat maggie:I think I'm in love , don't worry I'll worship from afar, but yea my uncle and dad taught me to shoot when I was 7, and well my ex she had ad a masters in archeology she had a real claymore, and longsword that I learned a bit on. Those were really fun : )

I think my proudest acquisition is an actual, genuine (as far as we know and were told) Zweihander. It's a sharp, so I can't play with it, and it's so very old so I'd not play with it anyway. I believe it is genuine, as it has some leather straps wrapped around the hilt and what appears to be  blood stains on them. Wow. Just wow. I didn't even know leather could last that long. What, five centuries or something? This is why my sis won't come into my lair if I'm not in here. She's creeped out by a lot of the stuff in here.  In all fairness, I'm creeped out by all her  Beatles memorabilia, stuffed animal frogs and bunnies (???) and Bob Marley stuff, so I guess we're even.

/she's still one of my BFFs, though

Damn, I have no idea right now what a Zweihander is but I'm gonna look that up. And damn I love objects that have history to them, that's cool.

It's a very, very large German sword. "Zweihander" basically means "two hands". They're that damn big, you need two hands to use them. I got it at a gun show, as they often have other types of weapons at  those as well.  A friend of mine saw it when he was looking at katanas, knew it was European and beat street straight for me. He knows I collect that kind of thing because of my heritage. That piece set me back $950, but hey! It's a farkin'  Zweihander!! I also found out later that was actually a hell of a deal as it is "museum quality" according to the weapons guy who does my appraisals for me. (Yes, the 'real' pieces are all insured as collector's items) It's also very impressive looking on my wall. When I figure out my new digcam (eventually) I'll have to get a pic of it to post.

/got some cool boot daggers the same day
//came home broke, but happy


Lived in Germany off and on for 8 years growing up and got to check out many a cool things in that time. Once I visited a crypt for an old Bavarian noble family and they had a couple of racks of real swords from back in the day. Myself now being 5'11" and weighing a healthy 210lbs in pretty good shape I can honestly say I'm not sure I could wield most of the swords I saw there. Men back then were beasts!

As for the shooting, just another criminal doing criminal things, don't see why I should be punished for the actions of those that break our laws. Honestly any new laws probably wouldn't effect me due to my current career choice but its the principle of it all that irks me.
 
2013-01-01 04:42:04 AM

JSam21: I see that its a 21... but there are 4 different generations of glocks. That one has no accessory rail and no finger grooves on this grip... which makes it a gen1 or gen2


So no way to mount the Homeboy system?
 
2013-01-01 04:43:12 AM

JSam21: blueswoman: it's kind of sad when the killing of two people and the injuring of 3 (taken to hospital) prompts one of you geniuses to say "this isn't a mass shooting".

it's a mass shooting, moron. too bad you're so inured to them that you don't realize the difference. it doesn't have to be 20 kids killed to qualify as "mass".

well, i hope 2012 got that out of its system. can we have less anger and violence and more peace and getting-along-ness in 2013? thanks, i'd really appreciate that.

Technically this would be a mass shooting since 4 or more were shot. If we are going by the media standard then no this wasn't a mass shooting since 4 or more weren't killed.


let's not go by the "media standard" then, as with the specious 24-hour news cycle, these people are paid to engender fear and panic. kind of like a used car salesman overhyping pedestrian/car deaths. you must buy a car, PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY'RE JUST WALKING AROUND!!
 
2013-01-01 04:44:09 AM

BronyMedic: JSam21: I see that its a 21... but there are 4 different generations of glocks. That one has no accessory rail and no finger grooves on this grip... which makes it a gen1 or gen2

So no way to mount the Homeboy system?


Not that I see on the pictured weapon. I have a gen3 Model 17 that I wish I was allowed to put a light on for work... as I work all night shifts
 
2013-01-01 04:45:19 AM

JSam21: Not that I see on the pictured weapon. I have a gen3 Model 17 that I wish I was allowed to put a light on for work... as I work all night shifts


Awww, you're not going to get street cred shooting like that, homey.

media.desura.com
 
2013-01-01 04:45:20 AM

blueswoman: JSam21: blueswoman: it's kind of sad when the killing of two people and the injuring of 3 (taken to hospital) prompts one of you geniuses to say "this isn't a mass shooting".

it's a mass shooting, moron. too bad you're so inured to them that you don't realize the difference. it doesn't have to be 20 kids killed to qualify as "mass".

well, i hope 2012 got that out of its system. can we have less anger and violence and more peace and getting-along-ness in 2013? thanks, i'd really appreciate that.

Technically this would be a mass shooting since 4 or more were shot. If we are going by the media standard then no this wasn't a mass shooting since 4 or more weren't killed.

let's not go by the "media standard" then, as with the specious 24-hour news cycle, these people are paid to engender fear and panic. kind of like a used car salesman overhyping pedestrian/car deaths. you must buy a car, PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY'RE JUST WALKING AROUND!!


Agreed
 
2013-01-01 04:46:01 AM
Subby, please let us know you're safe.
 
2013-01-01 04:46:26 AM

BronyMedic: JSam21: Not that I see on the pictured weapon. I have a gen3 Model 17 that I wish I was allowed to put a light on for work... as I work all night shifts

Awww, you're not going to get street cred shooting like that, homey.


Haha... don't need street cred. I have handcuffs
 
2013-01-01 04:47:42 AM

blueswoman: you must buy a car, PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY'RE JUST WALKING AROUND!!


I wonder how many pedestrians got killed by amateur drunks driving tonight?
 
2013-01-01 04:49:29 AM
Note: this occured in a state with strict gun control and an assault weapons ban
 
2013-01-01 04:49:37 AM

mikaloyd: So did any of y'all know the victims?


As far as I know, they've not yet released the names of the victims. There were thousands of people down there though. There are every year for NYE. The chances I knew one of them are slim, to say the least. Honestly, I would have felt fairly safe there. It's Discovery Park that I would avoid during the boozy holidays, not Old Sac. I'd rampage Candy Heaven for the free samples, then hit Fanny Ann's for a burger and beer. It's just "the thing" to do, cuz it's fun. There's usually a fairly strong, though subtle, police presence on the K Street mall and in Old Sac with the mounted police and the bike cops, with the paddy wagon cruising around nearby. I would have felt totally safe and probably been very freaked out if I'd been there when that happened.

tinfoil-hat maggie: Wow, CSS : )

My ex's stuff was newly made but it was quality stuff i mean I've held replica swords and you can tell the weight difference, I guess it's the metals involved.

It's very cool you're so into history, well you're history : )


It took me a while to get into our history. My psycho uncle beat the crap out of me when I was six years old for "not embracing my Nordic heritage". He was mad I didn't speak Norwegian (I still don't, just a few words and phrases) My sis and I were dumped in Norway every summer as we were growing up, so we could stay with family for our vacation. I kicked and screamed, bit and scratched every time I had to go to psycho uncle's house. My Gran finally quit making me go and I'd just hang out at her place or another relative's house. I had a strong aversion to any of the original Germanic tribes, Scandinavian or otherwise, for a very long time because of that. Now that I'm in my 40's, I've embraced it more. Still hate the psycho uncle, told him if he ever came to Cali he's probably the only person I actually could shoot, but other Scandinavians do not deserve my scorn. So now if it's a weapon or shield or religious artifact from one of the original Germanic tribes - German, Scandinavian, Frisian, etc - I want it. *shrug*

/still consider myself a Cali chick, though
//I was an anchor baby! Yay?
 
2013-01-01 04:50:32 AM

SubBass49: mgshamster: Holy shiat. The only reason my wife and I weren't there tonight is because we cancelled our party plans on account that she is pregnant.

/just found out two weeks ago
//our first

Congrats man!!! You're in for one hell of a year!!! (sleep now while you still can - advice from a father of 2)


Grats, and another piece of advice: They are babies for such a short time, really, really short (though it doesn't seem so at the time). Enjoy every moment, document every moment, get vids of the baby cooing and giggling and crying so you can hear those sounds when what you're mostly hearing from your kid is slammed doors and "You never let me do what I want!" Treasure the baby time, despite the diapers and the smell and the vomit. It's over so quickly and you cannot get it back.

/mother of a beloved 29-year-old
 
2013-01-01 04:53:59 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Frederick: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: [i.imgur.com image 391x585]

I dont think those demographics actually overlap that much.

Ummm... your point?


My point is; the point of your picture is kinda worthless because it doesnt represent a significant portion of the population making it a strawman argument.

\based on my experience pot smokers are not significantly pro gun control.
 
2013-01-01 04:54:28 AM
So where do you live then, relcek?

/Wouldn't be surprised if the shooter's from stockton...

When I was in college all the bangers from the small towns around my school would gather on the holidays n create mayhem.
 
2013-01-01 04:57:08 AM

Bucky Katt: kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.

so zero regulation of guns or mass murder and genocide. how does Somalia fit into your Manichaean world?


Somalia fits into my world less snugly than nazi germany, the soviet union and 20th century china fit into yours :) but better that world of chaos that can be reconstituted with less effort than overthrowing an all powerful government with no arms.
 
2013-01-01 04:58:07 AM

Bucky Katt: Maybe someone should amend the US constitution so it says something about interstate commerce. The 50 states aren't sovereign, btw. In the US sovereignty rests with the people. The states are delegated certain powers as is the federal government.


So in the spirit of one good turn deserving another, I take it CA and other states would understand if US Congressman use that same method to force all states to accept each others concealed weapon permits, dissolved BS state 'assault weapons' bans, and the like, right?
 
2013-01-01 05:00:18 AM

Obscene_CNN: Note: this occured in a state with strict gun control and an assault weapons ban


as well as a may issue concealed weapon permit system, one gun a month limit, 10 day waiting period for every gun purchased, ban on 'unsafe' handugns, ban on private sales of firearms, etc.

I suppose they just haven't done enough.
 
2013-01-01 05:00:57 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.

You could just say, "We need these things to shoot American soldiers."


If it comes to that, absolutely. If the government and the military no longer represented the constitution, what other recourse would we have? That should go without saying. As fast as I see, you make a pledge to defend the constitution, and the people. If your leaders break that vow, and you follow them, you are guilty and should be eliminated. nuremberg defense; you put that uniform on, you berret know what it means.
 
2013-01-01 05:02:05 AM
Guns = 2nd amendment
bullets = free speech

What you are feeling, subby, is American freedom.
 
2013-01-01 05:04:06 AM

Bucky Katt: and Marines, airmen and sailors. police and school resource officers. ATF, FBI, Federal Marshalls, Secret Service and CIA.

except the armed guards hired by the NRA to protect us from lunatics.

/if soldiers have machine guns, tanks and attack helicopters shouldn't individual citizens have them too?


Them too. Though school police officers would probably be left alone provided they don't start pulling 'undesireable' kids from class to be put in camps or a modern nazi camp equivalent. Same thing with everyone else. It's not an omnicidal thing, it's a stopping government massacre thing.

Wee can have tanks right now, as for whether we should have the others-Yes on machine guns, and Yes on 'attack' (read:armed) helicopters.
 
2013-01-01 05:05:20 AM

mikaloyd: blueswoman: you must buy a car, PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY'RE JUST WALKING AROUND!!

I wonder how many pedestrians got killed by amateur drunks driving tonight?


it's a good question. i now totally sound like an old woman, but i've even been discouraging folks from driving tonight. DUIs kill other drivers, too.
 
2013-01-01 05:07:17 AM
wow. i can no longer tell how many of you are drunk, or really think that way.

*enlarges apocalypse cave*
*dives for cover*
 
2013-01-01 05:07:27 AM

pedrop357: Obscene_CNN: Note: this occured in a state with strict gun control and an assault weapons ban

as well as a may issue concealed weapon permit system, one gun a month limit, 10 day waiting period for every gun purchased, ban on 'unsafe' handugns, ban on private sales of firearms, etc.

I suppose they just haven't done enough.


What would be an "unsafe" firearm?
 
2013-01-01 05:07:38 AM

relcec: someday he'll find out el paso/ciudad jaurez is west of the Mississippi, and then I'll have to concede it is the second least appealing city west of the Mississippi, and then the argument won't be nearly as much fun for me.


Well El Paso is one thing, Jaurez is another. Friend of mine commented, when I drive to visit family in Mexico, I get gas 100 miles from the border and then don't stop until I'm a 100 miles on the other side if it. They used to come of through Jaurez, but stopped fifteen years ago.

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I was gonna go for Bakersfield or Fresno as the armpit, then I realized they're more like the diseased crotch of California. So Stockton (or Modesto) it is!


I think Barstow is the taint of California. It's between LA and Las Vegas.
 
2013-01-01 05:07:47 AM

log_jammin: well, I guess we'll never know from whom illegal guns are obtained from.


Mara Salvatrucha,  aka MS13. The OGs were El Salvadorean child soldiers in Reagan's not so secret wars that were given amnesty in the US. We've got a lot of them in Cali, especially in SoCal, but they're all over the US now. You can get an old Soviet era RPG launcher from those bastids in SoCal. You just need to know which corner they hang out near and hope they don't murderlate ya.

/they're the guys with the facial tats
//and they're super scary
///I don't need anything that bad
*hides*
 
2013-01-01 05:08:08 AM

hinten: Guns = 2nd amendment
bullets = free speech

What you are feeling, subby, is American freedom.


starsmedia.ign.com

FREEDOM TASTES LIKE.....BURNING.....
 
2013-01-01 05:08:20 AM

DeaH: Subby, please let us know you're safe.


I'm sorry to tell you this but... He's in Sacramento.

/what? Someone had to say it.
 
2013-01-01 05:08:32 AM

hinten: Guns = 2nd amendment
bullets = free speech

What you are feeling, subby, is American freedom.


With all the intendant limits.

Illegal to yell fire in theater=illegal to discharge firearm in public place
Illegal to utter threatening words=Illegal to brandish firearm or use it in threatening manner

Yelling fire in theater without fire in order to cause panic=shooting in city limits except self defense, firing range, etc.
Neither are protected acts.

That was simple.
 
2013-01-01 05:09:17 AM

Tickle Mittens: Fark It: Tickle Mittens: TheGhostofFarkPast: Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.

It's cause subtard is a milk siping pantywaist. If he was a real American he would have gone armed with his Baretta 93R with extended magazine an incendiary ammunition, and run towards the gunfire eger to stop a bad man with a gun.

There aren't any transferable 93Rs (aside from maybe some SOT dealer samples) in the U.S., only a couple of parts kits assembled on Taurus receivers, and they cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not something you'd carry concealed.

Terrible, just terrible. It's getting so you can't even take a movie like Face/Off seriously.


Actually, it was Broken Arrow where Travolta had a 93R.
 
2013-01-01 05:10:18 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.

You could just say, "We need these things to shoot American soldiers."


Btw I love your handle!
 
2013-01-01 05:12:33 AM

JSam21: What would be an "unsafe" firearm?


They label handguns unsafe if they don't have loaded chamber indicators, magazine disconnects that prevent firing if the magazine is removed, drop tests which all modern handguns pass anyway, etc.

They also require renewal of the certification. A 2011 handgun that is A-OK will be deemed 'unsafe' in 2012 if the manufacturer doesn't renew certification. There's also some hard to navigate regulations that I'm about 80% sure prevent a dealer from selling a handgun that is deemed unsafe, even if it comes in used. I gave up reading the regs after about an hour, but there's something in the law about dealers and previously owned and/or no longer certified handguns.
 
2013-01-01 05:13:11 AM
Subby: Unless your name is Frank Castle and you're the one doing the shooting, keep your head down and get the fark out of there. If it is, end a couple of those gangster dregs for me, sir.
 
2013-01-01 05:16:10 AM

pedrop357: JSam21: What would be an "unsafe" firearm?

They label handguns unsafe if they don't have loaded chamber indicators, magazine disconnects that prevent firing if the magazine is removed, drop tests which all modern handguns pass anyway, etc.

They also require renewal of the certification. A 2011 handgun that is A-OK will be deemed 'unsafe' in 2012 if the manufacturer doesn't renew certification. There's also some hard to navigate regulations that I'm about 80% sure prevent a dealer from selling a handgun that is deemed unsafe, even if it comes in used. I gave up reading the regs after about an hour, but there's something in the law about dealers and previously owned and/or no longer certified handguns.


So would that make revolvers unsafe since I've never seen one with a loaded chamber indicator? I know the one on my hip for work doesn't.

/switching to my g17 on the 21st
 
2013-01-01 05:17:05 AM
All you lowlife jackasses that keep purposely misspelling "AMERICA" can die in a fire. Slowly.

/American Vet
//Not what I fought for
 
2013-01-01 05:17:39 AM

pedrop357: at80eighty: because a constitution could never be wrong

Feel free to amend it if it's wrong. It's been 27 times, with some things added then repealed.


right, atleast you're slowly learning to crawl towards the light
 
2013-01-01 05:17:52 AM

JSam21: So would that make revolvers unsafe since I've never seen one with a loaded chamber indicator? I know the one on my hip for work doesn't.

/switching to my g17 on the 21st



I don't know if they did something else for revolvers, but chances are they apply some 'test' to them because they're not about to miss out on a yearly revenue stream.
 
2013-01-01 05:27:08 AM

at80eighty: right, atleast you're slowly learning to crawl towards the light


Not quite. I'm not in favor of amending the COTUS to eliminate the 2nd or water it down anymore.

BUT, if people think it's outdated, inapplicable, whatever, they should at least try to go about fixing that the right way.
 
2013-01-01 05:27:13 AM

mikaloyd: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Granola? WTF is wrong with you? Don't you know how much fat there is in most granola? Sure, it makes a great exfoliant, but it's hell on the plumbing when you have to rinse it off and you'd certainly never want to eat it unless you're a Fatty McFatterson or want to be one.

/chubby, but still not eating granola
//why add fuel to the fire?

//"Accidentally" drops a box of organic granola by RWDA just to see if it gets picked up.
///Resistance is futile to ex granola junkies.


Are there chocolate chips in it? Dark chocolate is good for you! (the chubby chick tells herself)
*carefully picks up granola, wipes off any cat hair*

dropdfun: Lived in Germany off and on for 8 years growing up and got to check out many a cool things in that time. Once I visited a crypt for an old Bavarian noble family and they had a couple of racks of real swords from back in the day. Myself now being 5'11" and weighing a healthy 210lbs in pretty good shape I can honestly say I'm not sure I could wield most of the swords I saw there. Men back then were beasts!

As for the shooting, just another criminal doing criminal things, don't see why I should be punished for the actions of those that break our laws. Honestly any new laws probably wouldn't effect me due to my current career choice but its the principle of it all that irks me.


I couldn't wield that Zweihander, either. No way. I've got scrawny girlie arms. I have a few swords and an axe I could never use in a million years. I am pretty good with my  blunt long axe though, cuz I'm shifty that way. (Duck down, hook it behind their knees and pull.  They'll tumble right over, and then you can slaughter 'em. When playing with your SCA geek friends only. Cuz I don't do actual slaughter.)

The thing that bothers me the most is what I consider a very misguided abhorrence to safety training and testing as a requirement to buy a firearm. Sure, most of us who own firearms learned to shoot at an early age. Still, when I became an adult and bought my own first handguns, first thing I did was take classes so I could use them safely. I was uncomfortable buying ammo until I took that class. You can do more than put someone's eye out with any  firearm, so I think classes are common sense.

Instead of bans, I think we need more strict licensing requirements for all firearms, including hunting rifles. If you do not take the class or do not pass the test, then no gun for you. I've seen people up at the range who claim to have been shooting "their entire life" that are such idiots, I've ratted 'em out to the range master and had them thrown out. Classes and testing, not to mention strict licensing so that if you're an idiot you'll have to bring a teaspoon to a gun fight (which hopefully won't happen) will definitely cut down on the "accidental" shootings (read: irresponsible gun owner caused it) we have every year.

I swear on my beloved Nordic deities, the idiots and assholes make the rest of us gun owners look bad, and most of us are not bad at all. it sucks we all have to suffer for another person's stupid, but that's where we're headed eventually, just because people are indeed stupid. Classes, tests and personal accountability, biatches. (Can you tell I was getting riled up? LOL!)

/I'm stupid behind the wheel of a car, so I don't drive, because I'm not that much of a biatch
//how hard is that?
 
2013-01-01 05:31:44 AM

log_jammin: Bucky Katt: The dude said it was from Paco. Can't you read?

We don't have Paco here. Only Pico.


Hello Pico? You washing your ass? Honey?
 
2013-01-01 05:32:39 AM
swampie.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-01 05:38:18 AM
If only someone else had a gun, this would have never happened, or a lot more people would have died.
Probably the latter.
 
2013-01-01 05:40:57 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: mikaloyd: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Granola? WTF is wrong with you? Don't you know how much fat there is in most granola? Sure, it makes a great exfoliant, but it's hell on the plumbing when you have to rinse it off and you'd certainly never want to eat it unless you're a Fatty McFatterson or want to be one.

/chubby, but still not eating granola
//why add fuel to the fire?

//"Accidentally" drops a box of organic granola by RWDA just to see if it gets picked up.
///Resistance is futile to ex granola junkies.

Are there chocolate chips in it? Dark chocolate is good for you! (the chubby chick tells herself)
*carefully picks up granola, wipes off any cat hair*

dropdfun: Lived in Germany off and on for 8 years growing up and got to check out many a cool things in that time. Once I visited a crypt for an old Bavarian noble family and they had a couple of racks of real swords from back in the day. Myself now being 5'11" and weighing a healthy 210lbs in pretty good shape I can honestly say I'm not sure I could wield most of the swords I saw there. Men back then were beasts!

As for the shooting, just another criminal doing criminal things, don't see why I should be punished for the actions of those that break our laws. Honestly any new laws probably wouldn't effect me due to my current career choice but its the principle of it all that irks me.

I couldn't wield that Zweihander, either. No way. I've got scrawny girlie arms. I have a few swords and an axe I could never use in a million years. I am pretty good with my  blunt long axe though, cuz I'm shifty that way. (Duck down, hook it behind their knees and pull.  They'll tumble right over, and then you can slaughter 'em. When playing with your SCA geek friends only. Cuz I don't do actual slaughter.)

The thing that bothers me the most is what I consider a very misguided abhorrence to safety training and testing as a requirement to buy a firearm. Sure, most of us who own firearms learned to shoot at an early age. Still, when I became an adult and bought my own first handguns, first thing I did was take classes so I could use them safely. I was uncomfortable buying ammo until I took that class. You can do more than put someone's eye out with any  firearm, so I think classes are common sense.

Instead of bans, I think we need more strict licensing requirements for all firearms, including hunting rifles. If you do not take the class or do not pass the test, then no gun for you. I've seen people up at the range who claim to have been shooting "their entire life" that are such idiots, I've ratted 'em out to the range master and had them thrown out. Classes and testing, not to mention strict licensing so that if you're an idiot you'll have to bring a teaspoon to a gun fight (which hopefully won't happen) will definitely cut down on the "accidental" shootings (read: irresponsible gun owner caused it) we have every year.

I swear on my beloved Nordic deities, the idiots and assholes make the rest of us gun owners look bad, and most of us are not bad at all. it sucks we all have to suffer for another person's stupid, but that's where we're headed eventually, just because people are indeed stupid. Classes, tests and personal accountability, biatches. (Can you tell I was getting riled up? LOL!)

/I'm stupid behind the wheel of a car, so I don't drive, because I'm not that much of a biatch
//how hard is that?


The people that have shot all their lives are lazy and lack discipline. I use proper mechanics when training at all times, including blue gun (plastic gun) drills. If you don't practice use of the Universal Cover Mode, i.e. indexing your trigger finger, treat every firearm as it is loaded, even the fake training weapons, and shoot or train at least once a month... then don't carry or handle a firearm please.
 
2013-01-01 05:46:32 AM
Oh joy. Another Goddamned, motherf**king gun thread.
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2013-01-01 05:49:06 AM

rosekolodny: Hello Pico? You washing your ass? Honey?


come to Florida....we miss you.
 
2013-01-01 05:50:29 AM

BadReligion: Gosling: BadReligion: My point is some people don't follow rules, so extra rules that only hinder law abiding citizens and don't actually affect the criminal are stupid and redundant.

That's the most chickenshiat goddamned thing I've ever heard.

Why, just because you don't agree with it?


No, the lame idea that "Some people don't follow rules so there's no point in having rules that they won't obey anyway." If you follow that line of thought to its ultimate and ridiculous end, there is no point in having ANY laws, because none of them prevent any negative behavior. Criminals don't care about the law against murder, so why do we have it? And before you trot out the sorry-ass "O but the law against murder prevents SOME criminals from committing murder!"...well, that's exactly the point. Laws do prevent some people from committing some crimes. Some people wouldn't obey laws if they were surrounded by a platoon of armed Marines with orders to execute them the moment they broke one.

In any case, a law is just words. Laws by themselves neither prevent nor cause actions. Laws merely enable the authorities to interdict certain actions before they take place, or to enforce penalties for certain actions after they take place. We call these actions by authorities "enforcement." In the case of gun laws, enforcement is peculiarly lax, because everyone seems to want "someone else" to handle the enforcement. Gun sellers seem to think their only duty is to sell guns and pay lip service to whatever paperwork the government uses to interfere with their right to make money. Gun manufacturers seem to think their only duty is to make a product that won't harm the user but that they are not liable for any use of--unlike the manufacturer of any other product in the stream of commerce today. Gun purchasers seem to think that their only duty is to find a way to use THEIR gun responsibly and everyone else is on their own; again, unlike the purchaser of any other product on the market today. Police argue that their job is to catch criminals and finding loose guns is the ATFs job, while the ATF claims they can't find guns without the help of local cops.

Why people seem to imagine that somehow "gun laws" are uniquely self-executing is beyond me; like any law, they are only words that must be both obeyed by citizens and enforced by authorities, and yet some people seem to think if only there were MOAR LAWZ they'd magically straitjacket all the hardware out there. Meanwhile, other people seem to think that "Meh, nobody pays attention to gun laws anyway, so why make more of them?" although they'll bristle with self-righteousness if you point out that the same can be said of homicide laws or robbery laws. ("I wasn't talking about that!!") It's almost as if NOBODY really wants to face the issue of guns head on and admit its a complex and tangled issue and will take a lot of solving and would rather just towel briskly and move on to the next problem.
 
2013-01-01 05:51:54 AM
JSam21:The people that have shot all their lives are lazy and lack discipline. I use proper mechanics when training at all times, including blue gun (plastic gun) drills. If you don't practice use of the Universal Cover Mode, i.e. indexing your trigger finger, treat every firearm as it is loaded, even the fake training weapons, and shoot or train at least once a month... then don't carry or handle a firearm please.

It shocked me when I realized how many people who own firearms don't know what "indexing your trigger finger" even means. Holy crapola! Are they serious? The last thing I would want to do is "accidentally" shoot someone, so I always index. It would devastate me to harm another human without a very good cause, and I'm still not sure I could do that. I'd probably try and get away as fast as I could. I'm also of the opinion there is no such thing as an accidental shooting, just a very stupid one. That just shouldn't be.

I'm stupid about a lot of things. We can't all know everything. However, I am not stupid with my firearms or any other weapon I own. The biggest problem is that the stupid people don't know they're stupid or they deny they are stupid, even when it is pointed out to them. That is highly disturbing.
 
2013-01-01 05:54:31 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I swear on my beloved Nordic deities, the idiots and assholes make the rest of us gun owners look bad


No, the media is mostly what makes us look bad.
It serves up a bad influence in movies, games, and music. It gives a one sided story about the lack of virtues among gun owners, and then it highlights every abuse as a gun problem when the gun came last in a very long list of troubles. Lastly it argues long and hard against the right to self defense or gun ownership while cherry picking statistics and getting just about all of the details wrong.

From the summary of current events it sounds like we have a thug who attempted to fulfill his drug gang duties in the wrong time and place. The target was probably not chosen at random. He used a weapon illegally (most likely an illegal weapon if not illegally owned to boot) in an area that already has gun control. Because he doesn't fit the profile any of the talking heads want, I predict this story falls off the front page.
That's the media end of things.

For the ownership end: The people who can't jump through the hoops to gun ownership simply steal weapons from those that did, assuming they didn't buy an import or straw purchased weapon. They aren't part of the 2a advocacy group and don't sit for all the training standards. Another form to fill out doesn't affect them. They only want one gun and maybe a dozen bullets.
People like Feinstein think they'll change their evil ways if limited to revolvers... I beg to differ.
 
2013-01-01 05:55:48 AM
Coming in late. Subby's okay, right? Got home safely after making the thread?

/Stay safe, subby!
//and everyone else there stay safe too
 
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