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(CBS Sacramento) NewsFlash Shots fired in Sacramento during NYE celebration, multiple people killed. Fireworks cancelled and Old Town Sacramento being evacuated. Subby on site (Updated article w/video)   ( sacramento.cbslocal.com) divider line
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2013-01-01 03:31:24 AM  

Phins: Real Women Drink Akvavit: adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?

Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm

So why do you have enough firepower to take out a small European country? This is a serious question. Why do you think you need that?



Thousands of people are killed in car wrecks every year. Jay Leno probably owns enough cars to equip every family in Lichtenstein with an automobile. Why don't you ask him why he needs that many cars?
 
2013-01-01 03:31:49 AM  

Summoner101: Summoner101: BadReligion: Summoner101: sadbad: Gyrfalcon: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.

Well, don't freak out yet. It wasn't a "mass shooting" despite the media overreaction insta-frenzy. Five people were shot and two are dead, which is way too many of course, but it was apparently in a restaurant according to the updated report; so it could just as easily be a drunken family argument or idiots arguing over a beer tab. It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.

That's not a particularly reassuring way to assess the situation.

Why did we think allowing firearms in public places that serve alcohol was a good idea again?

You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.

No, but the bartender would at least have had cause not to serve someone carrying.

To expand on this, I couldn't give two shiats about someone with a CCW in a restaurant. It's legally serving that person a mood altering drug while armed that's the issue.


I agree, and legally they can't. That won't stop the guy illegally carrying though, and seeing as how this is Cali, he almost definately was illegally carrying.
 
2013-01-01 03:32:09 AM  

cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.


Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.
 
2013-01-01 03:32:53 AM  

Pincy: Actually, my comment was sarcastic and I was poking fun at people like your cousin.


Ah. Apologies; carry on, then.
 
2013-01-01 03:34:34 AM  

Molavian: Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

I guess it's true.

Once you pop, you can't stop.


Which olympic gymnast made her taco pop? She may have predicted this
 
2013-01-01 03:35:01 AM  

cybrwzrd: Maybe it is time to make gun ownership illegal, and give the death penalty to those who refuse to give them up/continue to own them. That way the gun nuts can live out their masturbatory fantasy of going down in a fight with the government and the rest of us can be a little safer knowing that there are less guns on the street/available to be stolen for the purpose of mass murder. Sounds like a win/win situation to me, and everyone can be happy.


.5/10 you were doing great, then you got greedy
 
2013-01-01 03:35:20 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Phins: Real Women Drink Akvavit: adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?

Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm

So why do you have enough firepower to take out a small European country? This is a serious question. Why do you think you need that?

I like target  shooting and think guns are nifty, that's why. Just like some  people collect comic books, I collect weapons. I have taken training in how to use them safely and retrain every couple years. Still not sure if I could actually shoot someone, even if my life was on the line, though. I'm hazardous only to pepsi cans. Do I  need them? No. But I also do not need all that nail polish, all those shoes and handbags or multiple translations of the Eddas. I just happen to have them because I like them. I think most people are that way to a certain extent, just not usually with weaponry.

I also have an array of medieval  weapons (mostly swords) proudly displayed on  the walls of my lair. Most are reproductions and are blunts, but they are still very cool.

/got my New Year's kiss! Huzzah!
//waiting for the pool tournament to be over so we can head out


I think I'm in love , don't worry I'll worship from afar, but yea my uncle and dad taught me to shoot when I was 7, and well my ex she had ad a masters in archeology she had a real claymore, and longsword that I learned a bit on. Those were really fun : )
 
2013-01-01 03:35:38 AM  
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2013-01-01 03:35:58 AM  

adeist69: Phins: Real Women Drink Akvavit: adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?

Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm

So why do you have enough firepower to take out a small European country? This is a serious question. Why do you think you need that?


Thousands of people are killed in car wrecks every year. Jay Leno probably owns enough cars to equip every family in Lichtenstein with an automobile. Why don't you ask him why he needs that many cars?



That's an interesting thing to bring up, considering that Sacramento has a particularly high death rate per auto accident. Worst in California.

/ heard it on the radio, so it must be true, right?
 
2013-01-01 03:38:16 AM  

Phins: Why do you think you need that?


I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

It's not like you need anything other than shelter, food, and water. Why do you think you need internet access? A computer? Who needs that kind of bandwidth? Why do you need so many clothes? A couple shirts and a couple pairs of pants is all anyone really needs. Maybe a pair of shoes. Honestly, you don't really need running water, or hot water for that matter. You could make it just fine with a well and some buckets, right?
 
2013-01-01 03:38:26 AM  
On behalf of all farkers I don't give a shiat about your fate.

I call bullshiat.
 
2013-01-01 03:39:02 AM  

Fark It: Tickle Mittens: TheGhostofFarkPast: Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.

It's cause subtard is a milk siping pantywaist. If he was a real American he would have gone armed with his Baretta 93R with extended magazine an incendiary ammunition, and run towards the gunfire eger to stop a bad man with a gun.

There aren't any transferable 93Rs (aside from maybe some SOT dealer samples) in the U.S., only a couple of parts kits assembled on Taurus receivers, and they cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not something you'd carry concealed.


Terrible, just terrible. It's getting so you can't even take a movie like Face/Off seriously.
 
2013-01-01 03:39:22 AM  

BadReligion: Gosling: BadReligion: My point is some people don't follow rules, so extra rules that only hinder law abiding citizens and don't actually affect the criminal are stupid and redundant.

That's the most chickenshiat goddamned thing I've ever heard.

Why, just because you don't agree with it?


No. Because disparaging rules- you know, the agreements we make as a society so that we can be a society- just out of a fear that some people don't feel like following those rules is a really good way to tear said society to shreds. Dammit, you're supposed to be better than those people. You're not supposed to just cast aside basic farking human decency in the name of monsters at your front door. Just because some people don't follow rules doesn't mean you don't have to either.
 
2013-01-01 03:39:57 AM  

Molavian: Phins: Why do you think you need that?

I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

It's not like you need anything other than shelter, food, and water. Why do you think you need internet access? A computer? Who needs that kind of bandwidth? Why do you need so many clothes? A couple shirts and a couple pairs of pants is all anyone really needs. Maybe a pair of shoes. Honestly, you don't really need running water, or hot water for that matter. You could make it just fine with a well and some buckets, right?


This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I have ever read on Fark.
 
2013-01-01 03:40:21 AM  

mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.


Sacramento is a good solid B-level city, but it loses some of its shine because of the neighbors; San Francisco, San Jose, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, etc. Stockton on the other hand...
 
2013-01-01 03:40:52 AM  
This is why we can't have ni *looks off stage* "oh, that's been said a dozen times already? Carry on then"
 
2013-01-01 03:41:56 AM  

mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.


I was gonna go for Bakersfield or Fresno as the armpit, then I realized they're more like the diseased crotch of California. So Stockton (or Modesto) it is!
 
2013-01-01 03:43:19 AM  

Gosling: BadReligion: Gosling: BadReligion: My point is some people don't follow rules, so extra rules that only hinder law abiding citizens and don't actually affect the criminal are stupid and redundant.

That's the most chickenshiat goddamned thing I've ever heard.

Why, just because you don't agree with it?

No. Because disparaging rules- you know, the agreements we make as a society so that we can be a society- just out of a fear that some people don't feel like following those rules is a really good way to tear said society to shreds. Dammit, you're supposed to be better than those people. You're not supposed to just cast aside basic farking human decency in the name of monsters at your front door. Just because some people don't follow rules doesn't mean you don't have to either.


I understand what you are saying, but you are proposing enacting new rules because people broke the rules that are already in place, to the detriment of no one but law abiding citizens. More rules doesn't make a society more decent, it makes it more draconian. We can only try so hard to protect ourselves from each other before we cross that line.
 
2013-01-01 03:43:26 AM  

Pincy: Molavian: Phins: Why do you think you need that?

I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

It's not like you need anything other than shelter, food, and water. Why do you think you need internet access? A computer? Who needs that kind of bandwidth? Why do you need so many clothes? A couple shirts and a couple pairs of pants is all anyone really needs. Maybe a pair of shoes. Honestly, you don't really need running water, or hot water for that matter. You could make it just fine with a well and some buckets, right?

This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I have ever read on Fark.


That's ok, I just received one of the dumbest replies I have ever read on Fark. Weird, huh?
 
2013-01-01 03:44:25 AM  

mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.


Wow...it's late and I'm tired and full of derp apparently.

Yes, Stockton was where I went not Sacramento.

Sorry, completely my bad. Please retract my previous statement.

/off to bed!
//stay safe subs and Happy New Year folks!
 
2013-01-01 03:44:50 AM  

Summoner101: Why did we think allowing firearms in public places that serve alcohol was a good idea again?


You didn't.  It's illegal as hell in California.  It appears to be working as good as the rest of their gun control.

Perennial fail.
 
2013-01-01 03:45:52 AM  

Molavian: Phins: Why do you think you need that?

I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

It's not like you need anything other than shelter, food, and water. Why do you think you need internet access? A computer? Who needs that kind of bandwidth? Why do you need so many clothes? A couple shirts and a couple pairs of pants is all anyone really needs. Maybe a pair of shoes. Honestly, you don't really need running water, or hot water for that matter. You could make it just fine with a well and some buckets, right?


You are under assault, yes

Poisonous paragraphs smash your phonograph in half
It be the Inspectah Deck on the warpath
First class leaving mics with a cast
Causing ruckus like the aftermath when guns blast
Run fast, here comes the verbal assaulter
Rhymes running wild like a child in a walker
I scored from the inner slums abroad
And my thoughts are razor sharp I sliced the mic from the cord
First they criticize, but now they have become
Mentally paralyzed with hits that I devise
Now I testify, the rest is I, Rebel INS
Your highness, blessed to electrify
With voltage of a eel, truth that I reveal
Will crush the amateurs who scream they keep it real
Caesar black down hoodied up in fatigues
Part time minor leagues receive third degrees
Attack like a wolf pack, once I pull back
The God-U, and bust through like a fullback

Yo, you fourteen carat gold slum computer wizard
Tapping inside my rap vein causes blizzards
Do I like the kills for ice trife like botta digits
Gorillas injected with strength of eighty midgets
The Earth spins, Wu wins, rap exotic blends
Let my peeps in, nubians gasping, swallowing aspirins
What a dosage, you overdosed in rap
High explosives my posters hypnotize with hypnosis
I sell goods, my whole Clan is on the run like Natural Born Killers
Record-breaking the album Thriller
Got access to tear gas, bombs and rocket launchers
Float like dope killer beesis what I sponsor
Your entrepeneur, pens and ear like Shakespeare
When I fark I grab hair, collect drawers as souveneirs
fark yeah, my crew down German beers
My career's based on guns, throwing cats in wheelchairs
Etcetera, damage any lame ass competitor
Who try to front, get broken in fast like leathers
Whatever hot hardheads get shattered like mirrors
Beretta shots splatter your goose, scatter your feathers
Say never poetry chumps crumbs deal with graphic
Flew my family overseas a mansion
If rap was crack, fully packed I be tour cats
Taxing kingpin of the rap drug trafficking
Village nubians get slapped in Manhattan
For rapping, Big Ghost steps off laughing
Ha!
Sit back relax, fake nubians don't get turns
Watch me massage your brain with slang that's king
Projects filled with young men cause threats
Who has that? Thousand dollar chains and Tecs
Focus, the brokest nubians of life shiat
These mics is like cocaine son, check the suicidal hype shiat
Exchange mad blunts taste the sweepstakes
Keeping up on fakes outta state for cakes
No doubt, plus nobody amount, we making dough off
Putting fifty on the Land and Allah, it's like that
Pull ya shoes up black, matter of fact just adapt
Tie up, your black Nike's and tight hats
Corners stay surrounded with foreigners
What up, dread? Feds caught your bredren for his bread
But regardless, peace to jail nubians with charges
Unify laying in the yard with La
My Clan done ran from Japan to Atlanta, with stamina
Clingers and gamblers, and gram handlers
Tical light the Owl cigar, let's get steamed
Infra-red guard your beam, so seek nuff respect
Rude bwoy you bet, keep it moving par shallah
Pro black like tar
Designing the fly shiat and stay shining
The RZA pour more beats than Cristal's fine wine
Concrete raps go to bat
With 50 other nubians on the other side of the map
Knew it's all good and all done what, we want son
Mike Tyson of this rap shiat, pulling out Macs for fun

The nubian don't get mad, I got mad styles of my own
And it's shown when my hands grip the chrome microphone
Verbally I catch bodies with cordless shotties
Intriguing emcees, I keep em trained like potties
I bomb facts, my sword is an axe
To split backs invisible, like dope fiend tracks
Sky's the limit, nubians are timid, and nobody knows
How we move like wolfs in sheep clothes
Producing data, microchips of software
Underground and off air, the Land of the Lost
Notorious henchman from the North
Striking nubians where the Mason-Dixon line cross

-the WU
/happy new year!
 
2013-01-01 03:45:54 AM  

Notabunny: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

Sacramento is a good solid B-level city, but it loses some of its shine because of the neighbors; San Francisco, San Jose, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, etc. Stockton on the other hand...





Yup. Born and raised in Sacramento. Travelled the world for a few years (thanks, army!), but I'm still here. It may lose some shine to its neighbors, but I love that it's so close to all of them so I can drive to any of them.

/headed up to Tahoe tomorrow.
//Misses an I rented a cabin for a few days.
 
2013-01-01 03:45:55 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

I was gonna go for Bakersfield or Fresno as the armpit, then I realized they're more like the diseased crotch of California. So Stockton (or Modesto) it is!


Hey! I hope your midnight kiss has a diseased crotch!
 
2013-01-01 03:46:14 AM  

BadReligion: I understand what you are saying, but you are proposing enacting new rules because people broke the rules that are already in place, to the detriment of no one but law abiding citizens. More rules doesn't make a society more decent, it makes it more draconian. We can only try so hard to protect ourselves from each other before we cross that line.


You forget that a lot of these people qualified as 'law-abiding citizens' right up until the moment they opened fire. Funny how the pro-gun side never seems to bring that up. To hear the pro-gun side tell it, each and every shooter has been a criminal right out of the womb.
 
2013-01-01 03:47:30 AM  
Wait, nobody interpreted "Subby on site" as subby being the shooter?

/damn, maybe I really am going to hell.
 
2013-01-01 03:47:40 AM  
> I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

The below question back to you is as old ad dirt, but I'm always interested in hearing people's answers...

Ok, so you like collecting handguns and assault rifles because they're nifty. I get that. But I'm curious where you draw the line? Bazookas? Grenades? Land mines in your back yard (it's YOUR back yard, after all). Small tactical nukes? Anthrax?

Where does a weapon cross over in your mind from being "fun to collect" to "too harmful to the general population's welfare to be in private hands"?
 
2013-01-01 03:49:02 AM  

mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.


lol
I have a friend from stockton.
he'll deny up and down that it is the biggest piece of shiat west of the mississipi river.
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/8-stockton/
 
2013-01-01 03:50:15 AM  

Gosling: BadReligion: I understand what you are saying, but you are proposing enacting new rules because people broke the rules that are already in place, to the detriment of no one but law abiding citizens. More rules doesn't make a society more decent, it makes it more draconian. We can only try so hard to protect ourselves from each other before we cross that line.

You forget that a lot of these people qualified as 'law-abiding citizens' right up until the moment they opened fire. Funny how the pro-gun side never seems to bring that up. To hear the pro-gun side tell it, each and every shooter has been a criminal right out of the womb.


And you seem to forget that well over 99.9% of legal gun owners never commit any kind of violent crimes with their guns. Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.
 
2013-01-01 03:50:56 AM  

relcec: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

lol
I have a friend from stockton.
he'll deny up and down that it is the biggest piece of shiat west of the mississipi river.
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/8-stockton/


Your friend needs an intervention and therapy
/used to live in Stockton
 
2013-01-01 03:51:49 AM  

relcec: I have a friend from stockton.
he'll deny up and down that it is the biggest piece of shiat west of the mississipi river.


Well, your friend is right. You know, ever since Galactus took that giant dump in Wichita.
 
2013-01-01 03:51:54 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie:I think I'm in love , don't worry I'll worship from afar, but yea my uncle and dad taught me to shoot when I was 7, and well my ex she had ad a masters in archeology she had a real claymore, and longsword that I learned a bit on. Those were really fun : )

I think my proudest acquisition is an actual, genuine (as far as we know and were told) Zweihander. It's a sharp, so I can't play with it, and it's so very old so I'd not play with it anyway. I believe it is genuine, as it has some leather straps wrapped around the hilt and what appears to be  blood stains on them. Wow. Just wow. I didn't even know leather could last that long. What, five centuries or something? This is why my sis won't come into my lair if I'm not in here. She's creeped out by a lot of the stuff in here.  In all fairness, I'm creeped out by all her  Beatles memorabilia, stuffed animal frogs and bunnies (???) and Bob Marley stuff, so I guess we're even.

/she's still one of my BFFs, though
 
2013-01-01 03:52:08 AM  

BadReligion: Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.


Illegally obtained...from whom?
 
2013-01-01 03:52:38 AM  
They need more good guys with guns.
 
2013-01-01 03:52:51 AM  

mikaloyd: Real Women Drink Akvavit: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

I was gonna go for Bakersfield or Fresno as the armpit, then I realized they're more like the diseased crotch of California. So Stockton (or Modesto) it is!

Hey! I hope your midnight kiss has a diseased crotch!


Do you really wanna make me cry
 
2013-01-01 03:53:15 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: [i.imgur.com image 391x585]


I dont think those demographics actually overlap that much.
 
2013-01-01 03:53:45 AM  
If this had happened in October it wouldn't have even made Fark. You people are pathetic.
 
2013-01-01 03:53:49 AM  

Notabunny: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

Sacramento is a good solid B-level city, but it loses some of its shine because of the neighbors; San Francisco, San Jose, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, etc. Stockton on the other hand...


I'll give it a c
being between san fransisco and tahoe is the most charming thing about it. when the most redeeming part of your city is the ability to get the f*ck out of it to somewhere nice you don't get a b.
 
2013-01-01 03:53:58 AM  

BadReligion: And you seem to forget that well over 99.9% of legal gun owners never commit any kind of violent crimes with their guns. Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.


See Sid 6.7 up at the top of the thread. As far as I am more and more concerned by the day, the 0.1% that do have officially ruined it for everybody. The 0.1% is why you can't have liquids on airplanes anymore.
 
2013-01-01 03:54:50 AM  

millifoo: > I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

The below question back to you is as old ad dirt, but I'm always interested in hearing people's answers...

Ok, so you like collecting handguns and assault rifles because they're nifty. I get that. But I'm curious where you draw the line? Bazookas? Grenades? Land mines in your back yard (it's YOUR back yard, after all). Small tactical nukes? Anthrax?

Where does a weapon cross over in your mind from being "fun to collect" to "too harmful to the general population's welfare to be in private hands"?


The line in my mind is when it crosses from requiring intentional interaction to harm people, to the thing is harmful just sitting there. Nukes, chemical weapons, biologicals, some of the high explosives. Maybe if it can do damage on its own, with no interaction required. Kind of like a pit bull.

I think I should be able to buy grenades, grenade launchers, fully automatic weapons, etc., with the controls we already have in place. And honestly, if not for a bit of sneaky politics, I'd be able to. I still can, it's just really damn expensive. I already have things that most people think are illegal, but they're not when you pay the right tax.
 
2013-01-01 03:55:08 AM  

millifoo: > I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

The below question back to you is as old ad dirt, but I'm always interested in hearing people's answers...

Ok, so you like collecting handguns and assault rifles because they're nifty. I get that. But I'm curious where you draw the line? Bazookas? Grenades? Land mines in your back yard (it's YOUR back yard, after all). Small tactical nukes? Anthrax?

Where does a weapon cross over in your mind from being "fun to collect" to "too harmful to the general population's welfare to be in private hands"?


No one has said that any of those weapons you've listed should be available to the general public
 
2013-01-01 03:56:18 AM  
Came here for the knee jerk "guns must be banned" rants and emotional reactionary commentary, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-01-01 03:56:22 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: illegally obtained...from whom?


we give up. tell us.
 
2013-01-01 03:56:40 AM  

Gosling: BadReligion: And you seem to forget that well over 99.9% of legal gun owners never commit any kind of violent crimes with their guns. Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.

See Sid 6.7 up at the top of the thread. As far as I am more and more concerned by the day, the 0.1% that do have officially ruined it for everybody. The 0.1% is why you can't have liquids on airplanes anymore.


And in my mind that is wrong. We continue to give up freedoms for a false illusion of safety that we will never achieve.

Anyway, it is late and we will never change each others minds, good night and happy new year!
 
2013-01-01 03:56:53 AM  

log_jammin: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: illegally obtained...from whom?

we give up. tell us.


Paco. That crazy mother sells anything.
 
2013-01-01 03:57:30 AM  

vudukungfu: Sucks being in your shoes, Subby.


And just what the hell are you doing in Subby's shoes anyway?
 
2013-01-01 03:57:46 AM  

Summoner101: You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.

No, but the bartender would at least have had cause not to serve someone carrying.

To expand on this, I couldn't give two shiats about someone with a CCW in a restaurant. It's legally serving that person a mood altering drug while armed that's the issue.


If he's carrying concealed, how the hell does the bartender know he's carrying?
 
2013-01-01 03:58:25 AM  
I'm sorry you had to be in Sacramento for New Year's subby. Stay safe.
 
2013-01-01 03:59:40 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BadReligion: Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.

Illegally obtained...from whom?


The military?  http://www.examiner.com/article/the-insider-threat-from-gang-members- t he-u-s-military
 
2013-01-01 04:00:27 AM  

Molavian: Paco. That crazy mother sells anything.


I don't know what that means, but it mad me laugh.
 
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