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(CBS Sacramento) NewsFlash Shots fired in Sacramento during NYE celebration, multiple people killed. Fireworks cancelled and Old Town Sacramento being evacuated. Subby on site (Updated article w/video)   (sacramento.cbslocal.com ) divider line
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2013-01-01 02:07:05 AM  
Murrika!

Stay safe, Subs.
 
2013-01-01 02:10:45 AM  
This is why we can't have nice things.

marius2: Stay safe, Subs.


THIS.
 
2013-01-01 02:10:53 AM  
God, Guns and Guts.

That's what made Murica great.
 
2013-01-01 02:16:36 AM  
Farking hell I've had enough of this. Be safe, subby,
 
2013-01-01 02:17:08 AM  
This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2013-01-01 02:17:50 AM  
Keep your head down, subs.

That sucks.
 
2013-01-01 02:21:21 AM  
If you absolutely, positively need to shoot someone, make it yourself and leave others the hell alone.
 
2013-01-01 02:21:26 AM  
Holy crap! Stay safe subby!! :(
 
2013-01-01 02:21:40 AM  
Stay safe, submitter.

Helluva way to start the New Year.
 
2013-01-01 02:21:54 AM  
This is what happens when you take God out of fireworks displays.
 
2013-01-01 02:21:57 AM  
Guns are easy, gatherings are easy.

tomtomorrowguncartoon.jpg
 
2013-01-01 02:22:06 AM  
I toast the toast not the toaster.
 
2013-01-01 02:22:07 AM  
Be careful Subby!
 
2013-01-01 02:22:13 AM  
Subby:  Get to safe ground, then get back to this thread.  We want you back in one piece!
 
2013-01-01 02:22:41 AM  
You know what would have prevented this? More guns!

/sarcasm
//sigh
 
2013-01-01 02:23:00 AM  

Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: Guns are easy, gatherings are easy.

tomtomorrowguncartoon.jpg


Oh, and definitely keep your head down, subby.
 
2013-01-01 02:23:35 AM  
some people just want to watch the world burn....

be safe subs
 
2013-01-01 02:23:45 AM  
See? I told you Demarcus Cousins had to go.
 
2013-01-01 02:24:29 AM  
If we only had more guns, this wouldn't have happened..There would have been an even bigger
gunfight and more people killed while shooting drunkenly at each other...
 
2013-01-01 02:24:49 AM  
Goddam stupid motherfarkers...
 
2013-01-01 02:25:04 AM  
Sucks being in your shoes, Subby.
 
2013-01-01 02:25:18 AM  
Stay safe subby
 
2013-01-01 02:25:20 AM  
Asperger's, ban New years, put armed teachers there, obama, weird people,

i thought we'd figured this out already...
 
2013-01-01 02:25:38 AM  
So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?
 
2013-01-01 02:25:46 AM  
In before the Outraged RightTM blame the fireworks manufacturer.....

/Be safe, subs.
 
2013-01-01 02:25:52 AM  
Fark safe.
Get out there and report!
Geraldo would!!
 
2013-01-01 02:26:20 AM  
Yeah, this beat goes on
And on,
and on,
and on...

/switchin' to glide
 
2013-01-01 02:26:22 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: If we only had more guns, this wouldn't have happened..There would have been an even bigger
gunfight and more people killed while shooting drunkenly at each other...


A sober shootout just isn't the same....
 
2013-01-01 02:26:30 AM  
Maybe it is time to make gun ownership illegal, and give the death penalty to those who refuse to give them up/continue to own them. That way the gun nuts can live out their masturbatory fantasy of going down in a fight with the government and the rest of us can be a little safer knowing that there are less guns on the street/available to be stolen for the purpose of mass murder. Sounds like a win/win situation to me, and everyone can be happy.
 
2013-01-01 02:27:21 AM  
Keep your head down.
blogofbad.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-01 02:27:21 AM  
a lesson i learned in my teens:

if you're out on the town and gunfire can be heard, it's time to go home.

so, if you're around when gunfire erupts...don't start a thread. just leave.
 
2013-01-01 02:27:42 AM  
If people weren't allowed to gather together in one place, this wouldn't have happened. We should ban gatherings.
 
2013-01-01 02:28:35 AM  

cybrwzrd: Maybe it is time to make gun ownership illegal, and give the death penalty to those who refuse to give them up/continue to own them. That way the gun nuts can live out their masturbatory fantasy of going down in a fight with the government and the rest of us can be a little safer knowing that there are less guns on the street/available to be stolen for the purpose of mass murder. Sounds like a win/win situation to me, and everyone can be happy.


Considering your profile says you are libertarian, that is awful big government of you.
 
2013-01-01 02:28:43 AM  
Again? I think this same thing happened there a couple years ago.
 
2013-01-01 02:28:43 AM  
This is what happens when you take God out of New Years.

We could easily prevent this kind of thing by arming our drunk revelers.
 
2013-01-01 02:29:13 AM  
Glad I got my snazzy 2012 Commemorative UnDERPants. They're bulletproof, also revelatory-joy-proof.

Oy Vey, what a year!
 
2013-01-01 02:29:21 AM  
Cant a guy have a little trolling fun on new years? SHH....
 
2013-01-01 02:29:23 AM  
I am getting really sick and tired of this. Stay safe subby.
 
2013-01-01 02:29:27 AM  

adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?


Here's how.

2=26÷13
 
2013-01-01 02:29:29 AM  

Sid_6.7: This is why we can't have nice things.

marius2: Stay safe, Subs.

THIS.


dingdingding
 
2013-01-01 02:29:33 AM  

make me some tea: This is why we can't have nice things.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-01 02:29:52 AM  
Not this again.
 
2013-01-01 02:29:56 AM  
Goddammit, why can't people just act right?
 
2013-01-01 02:30:00 AM  

cybrwzrd: Maybe it is time to make gun ownership illegal, and give the death penalty to those who refuse to give them up/continue to own them. That way the gun nuts can live out their masturbatory fantasy of going down in a fight with the government and the rest of us can be a little safer knowing that there are less guns on the street/available to be stolen for the purpose of mass murder. Sounds like a win/win situation to me, and everyone can be happy.


So how many people are you willing to kill in order to get rid of guns? 1 million? 10 million? All 90 million gun owning Americans?

You just declared yourself to be no better than a murderer.

/Sorry you and the others had to go through this subby. I hope no one you know was involved.
 
2013-01-01 02:30:19 AM  
because a constitution could never be wrong
 
2013-01-01 02:30:39 AM  
That last comment was directed at you BadReligion
 
2013-01-01 02:30:43 AM  
Hope you're safe, subby.
 
2013-01-01 02:30:55 AM  
Damn those violent video games straight to hell!
 
2013-01-01 02:30:55 AM  
Cue Wayne LaPierre press conference (complete with patented lip drool) with calls to have armed guards at all fireworks displays. Go USA!

c498390.r90.cf2.rackcdn.com
 
2013-01-01 02:31:23 AM  

Moriel: So how many people are you willing to kill in order to get rid of guns? 1 million? 10 million? All 90 million gun owning Americans?


Less lines at Disneyland and think of empty the lanes would be on the Freeway.
 
2013-01-01 02:31:46 AM  
Damnit, I was looking forward to finally having that discussion about guns but now that someone else has died from gun violence, I guess we have to put it off again.
 
2013-01-01 02:31:50 AM  
So glad I opted out of that this year. Went to my friend's NYE party instead. I can't picture myself in a fight in Old Sac, though. I'm more of the "Run away! Run away! and if  you can't, then, and only then, do you fight" type. Damn. I wonder what the back story on this is?

Everyone in SacTown stay safe. We're so boring the rest of the year it always amazes  me when stuff like this happens anywhere but South Sac, the DPH or Alkalai Flats. Even then, it's not too terribly common here. I moved up here from SoCal to get away from stuff like this, ya know...

/heads back to the party for more spiked eggnog
//haz a sad this even happened :'-(
 
2013-01-01 02:32:19 AM  
Dick Clark is already dead dumbasses.
 
2013-01-01 02:32:41 AM  
Jesus Christ.  We can't go a f*cking month without some motherf*cker going on a murder spree in a public place.  How the fark did we keep it together long enough to survive World War II?  And the Cold War?
 
2013-01-01 02:32:48 AM  

Moriel: cybrwzrd: Maybe it is time to make gun ownership illegal, and give the death penalty to those who refuse to give them up/continue to own them. That way the gun nuts can live out their masturbatory fantasy of going down in a fight with the government and the rest of us can be a little safer knowing that there are less guns on the street/available to be stolen for the purpose of mass murder. Sounds like a win/win situation to me, and everyone can be happy.

So how many people are you willing to kill in order to get rid of guns? 1 million? 10 million? All 90 million gun owning Americans?

You just declared yourself to be no better than a murderer.


At least we can come together on one thing:  capital punishment is murder and should be abolished.
 
2013-01-01 02:33:04 AM  
hope you are safe subby
 
2013-01-01 02:33:05 AM  
Are you sure this isn't just "normal" gunshots?
 
2013-01-01 02:33:07 AM  
As someone who is not there but is pretty much sick if this kinda crap, let me just say


farkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfa​rkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfarkfark

/be safe, subster
 
2013-01-01 02:33:17 AM  

cybrwzrd: That last comment was directed at you BadReligion


Maybe you should make a new profile to troll from than :p .
 
2013-01-01 02:33:26 AM  
Now is not the time to have a discussion about gun control. Again.
 
2013-01-01 02:33:43 AM  
Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.
 
2013-01-01 02:33:52 AM  
We were going to ride our bikes over there, but then someone stole nesler's bike from our backyard, so we decided to stay home. Glad we did, bummer about the whole clusterfark. :(Who are you, subby? All the Sac Farkers I know are elsewhere tonight. Stay safe!!
 
2013-01-01 02:34:02 AM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7511939/81607565#c81607565" target="_blank">cybrwzrd</a>:</b> <i>Maybe it is time to make gun ownership illegal, and give the death penalty to those who refuse to give them up/continue to own them. That way the gun nuts can live out their masturbatory fantasy of going down in a fight with the government and the rest of us can be a little safer knowing that there are less guns on the street/available to be stolen for the purpose of mass murder. Sounds like a win/win situation to me, and everyone can be happy.</i>

this wasn't a mass shooting - a fight with guns involved. and this in one of the most gun-restrictive states.
criminals don't follow laws. period, end of story.
 
2013-01-01 02:34:05 AM  

Zombie DJ: Moriel: So how many people are you willing to kill in order to get rid of guns? 1 million? 10 million? All 90 million gun owning Americans?

Less lines at Disneyland and think of empty the lanes would be on the Freeway.


So many fewer Trucks and SUVs as well, would make my commute much easier as I drive a sports car and they are always in my way, hogging the left lane going the speed limit.
 
2013-01-01 02:34:09 AM  
Not a mass shooting... the article says it was a fight and a male Hispanic suspect was seen running. Ban Hispanics?
 
2013-01-01 02:34:41 AM  

BadReligion: cybrwzrd: That last comment was directed at you BadReligion

Maybe you should make a new profile to troll from than :p .


Why? It is more fun this way :P
 
2013-01-01 02:35:03 AM  
Was this a Psycho Mass Murder or just a gang beef?
 
2013-01-01 02:35:24 AM  
Per police radio traffic, the suspect is a male hispanic headed toward the river from the shooting scene.

So illegal or gang member?
 
2013-01-01 02:36:02 AM  

JSam21: Not a mass shooting... the article says it was a fight and a male Hispanic suspect was seen running. Ban Hispanics?


A fight at a sports bar. Ban sports bars.
 
2013-01-01 02:36:11 AM  

JSam21: Not a mass shooting... the article says it was a fight and a male Hispanic suspect was seen running. Ban Hispanics?


No, running.  Running kills people, not guns.
 
2013-01-01 02:36:36 AM  

eraser8: At least we can come together on one thing:  capital punishment is murder and should be abolished.


In principle, I actually support capital punishment. I certainly see no reason that murderers and rapists should not be put to death. But as a practical matter, the death penalty is applied in racist ways and without a high enough standard of evidence, and I really have no hope that will ever change, and for this reason I can't support the death penalty.
 
2013-01-01 02:36:56 AM  
What the fark is wrong with this world? Take cover, subby.
 
2013-01-01 02:36:56 AM  

cybrwzrd: So many fewer Trucks and SUVs as well, would make my commute much easier as I drive a sports car and they are always in my way, hogging the left lane going the speed limit.


I'm in Atlanta, too...and, I find this very hard to believe.
 
2013-01-01 02:36:59 AM  
On the plus side, it's still 2012 in CA, so this won't count against 2013's tally.

Seriously, though... this shiat's getting ridiculous.
 
2013-01-01 02:37:35 AM  
So it was a bar fight with guns, like in the Old West?
 
2013-01-01 02:38:15 AM  
Holy shiat. The only reason my wife and I weren't there tonight is because we cancelled our party plans on account that she is pregnant.

/just found out two weeks ago
//our first
 
2013-01-01 02:38:16 AM  
I see that this thread is full of reasonable individuals who certainly have a reasonable excuse to post.
 
2013-01-01 02:38:29 AM  
Haven't read through the comments - stay safe, subs. Farking awful:(
 
2013-01-01 02:38:35 AM  

John Dewey: JSam21: Not a mass shooting... the article says it was a fight and a male Hispanic suspect was seen running. Ban Hispanics?

No, running.  Running kills people, not guns.


Ok... so no Hispanics, sports bars, and running. What else?

/can we have sports sallons?
 
2013-01-01 02:38:39 AM  

adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?


Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm
 
2013-01-01 02:39:16 AM  

Luminiferous Aether: I see that this thread is full of reasonable individuals who certainly have a reasonable excuse to post.


Half these people are drunk because New Year's. The other half are drunk because Fark. Cut 'em some slack.
 
2013-01-01 02:39:21 AM  

Moriel: In principle, I actually support capital punishment.


Yet, you claimed that another Farker's support of capital punishment made him, "no better than a murderer."  Also, it's insane to put rapists to death for that crime.  All that does is provide a powerful incentive for rapists to kill their victims.
 
2013-01-01 02:39:32 AM  

JSam21: John Dewey: JSam21: Not a mass shooting... the article says it was a fight and a male Hispanic suspect was seen running. Ban Hispanics?

No, running.  Running kills people, not guns.

Ok... so no Hispanics, sports bars, and running. What else?

/can we have sports sallons?


Damn... ment saloons
 
2013-01-01 02:40:16 AM  
Duh, it's Sacramento. The "Old Town" part especially. That area has been a mess for as long as I can remember. Why would you go to such a place for NYE? Getting drunk at home would be more entertaining and obviously safer.

/lived in Davis for a long time, and currently living in Woodland ("boring, but a safe and cheap boring, so meh")
//often drive to SF or elsewhere rather than over the causeway into Sac, and it's always worth the extra gas/time
 
2013-01-01 02:40:52 AM  

Aeonite: This is what happens when you take God out of fireworks displays.


kunochan.com

What does God need with fireworks displays?

/Stay safe, subby.
 
2013-01-01 02:41:06 AM  

mgshamster: Holy shiat. The only reason my wife and I weren't there tonight is because we cancelled our party plans on account that she is pregnant.

/just found out two weeks ago
//our first


Congrats man!!! You're in for one hell of a year!!! (sleep now while you still can - advice from a father of 2)
 
2013-01-01 02:41:07 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Luminiferous Aether: I see that this thread is full of reasonable individuals who certainly have a reasonable excuse to post.

Half these people are drunk because New Year's. The other half are drunk because Fark. Cut 'em some slack.


Sober and at work
 
2013-01-01 02:41:08 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: So glad I opted out of that this year. Went to my friend's NYE party instead. I can't picture myself in a fight in Old Sac, though. I'm more of the "Run away! Run away! and if  you can't, then, and only then, do you fight" type. Damn. I wonder what the back story on this is?


Sounds to me like a good old-fashioned bar fight gone bad, probably a 9mm pistol.
 
2013-01-01 02:41:51 AM  
this will keep happening until we beg the government to take our guns. just wait. one more week, maybe two. one way or another...you gonna get disarmed...la la la la, la...lolololololololo
 
2013-01-01 02:41:58 AM  

mgshamster: Holy shiat. The only reason my wife and I weren't there tonight is because we cancelled our party plans on account that she is pregnant.

/just found out two weeks ago
//our first


It will be a monster.
/Just doing the needful.
 
2013-01-01 02:42:02 AM  

Moriel: I certainly see no reason that murderers and rapists should not be put to death.


If rapists get the death penalty, there's less reason to not kill the victims.  There's probably more incentive to kill them, actually: one fewer witness.
 
2013-01-01 02:42:44 AM  
Subby;
Stop jerking off with social media sites and RUN, biatch, RUN!
 
2013-01-01 02:43:17 AM  
My impression is it's some loser looking for some street cred.
 
2013-01-01 02:43:30 AM  
And this is the anti-gun argument in a nutshell. The law-abiding gun owners may vastly outnumber the nuts, but there are enough nuts out there to ruin it for everyone.
 
2013-01-01 02:43:56 AM  

Luminiferous Aether: mgshamster: Holy shiat. The only reason my wife and I weren't there tonight is because we cancelled our party plans on account that she is pregnant.

/just found out two weeks ago
//our first

It will be a monster.
/Just doing the needful.




It's my kid; I half expect as much.
 
2013-01-01 02:44:34 AM  

ciberido: Aeonite: This is what happens when you take God out of fireworks displays.

[kunochan.com image 450x338]

What does God need with fireworks displays?

/Stay safe, subby.


Genesis 19:24
 
2013-01-01 02:46:11 AM  

eraser8: cybrwzrd: So many fewer Trucks and SUVs as well, would make my commute much easier as I drive a sports car and they are always in my way, hogging the left lane going the speed limit.

I'm in Atlanta, too...and, I find this very hard to believe.


Western suburbs along 20, I commute almost to Alabama every day, and the slow, annoying vehicles I deal with every day are usually trucks or semis going the speed limit or lower.
 
2013-01-01 02:46:12 AM  

pdkl95: Duh, it's Sacramento. The "Old Town" part especially. That area has been a mess for as long as I can remember. Why would you go to such a place for NYE? Getting drunk at home would be more entertaining and obviously safer.

/lived in Davis for a long time, and currently living in Woodland ("boring, but a safe and cheap boring, so meh")
//often drive to SF or elsewhere rather than over the causeway into Sac, and it's always worth the extra gas/time


I actually quite love this town, bullshiat like this notwithstanding. I'd rather live here than either Woodland or Davis. And I live downtown. Been listening to choppers for two hours now.
 
2013-01-01 02:46:22 AM  
Illegal mescan I bet
 
2013-01-01 02:46:24 AM  
 
2013-01-01 02:46:50 AM  
'male hispanic'

Fire UP. UP. IN THE AIR.Disparar el arma AL AIRE.

That's all su madre could ask, idiota.
 
2013-01-01 02:46:54 AM  
The only solution here is to ban videogams and arm bartenders.
 
2013-01-01 02:47:05 AM  

Luminiferous Aether: I see that this thread is full of reasonable individuals who certainly have a reasonable excuse to post.



10/10

9 / 11
 
2013-01-01 02:47:23 AM  

DogLee: Per police radio traffic, the suspect is a male hispanic headed toward the river from the shooting scene.

So illegal or gang member?


Don't be stupid.

There's no reason he can't be both.
 
2013-01-01 02:48:41 AM  

some_beer_drinker: this will keep happening until we beg the government to take our guns. just wait. one more week, maybe two. one way or another...you gonna get disarmed...la la la la, la...lolololololololo


Well, congress needs something to occupy it between episodes of Fiscal CliffTM.
 
2013-01-01 02:49:21 AM  

SubBass49: mgshamster: Holy shiat. The only reason my wife and I weren't there tonight is because we cancelled our party plans on account that she is pregnant.

/just found out two weeks ago
//our first

Congrats man!!! You're in for one hell of a year!!! (sleep now while you still can - advice from a father of 2)


Thanks, man.

/and stay safe, subs
 
2013-01-01 02:49:25 AM  
I was just at a sporting goods store today. In California. There were guns for sale. In California.
 
2013-01-01 02:49:58 AM  

eraser8: Moriel: In principle, I actually support capital punishment.

Yet, you claimed that another Farker's support of capital punishment made him, "no better than a murderer."


I said he was no better than a murderer for declaring that he'd like to pass a law knowing and intending that it's effect would be killing large numbers of people.


Also, it's insane to put rapists to death for that crime.  All that does is provide a powerful incentive for rapists to kill their victims.

Don't bother. I used to work at a rape and domestic violence shelter here in Houston, so I've seen the consequences of rape first hand. A lot of people say that harsher penalties would encourage rapists to kill their victims and I say that's bullshiat. A lot of rapists already try that anyway. And right now we have a system that bascially lets rapists get away with their crimes entirely! You want to know how seriously rape is treated? Google for "unopened rape kit" Go, I dare you. I'll make it easy for you, even:

unopened rape kit

This country doesn't treat rape seriously and probably won't until we have our own moment like India is having right now.

Like I said, ultimately I oppose the death penalty, but we could at least mandate life in prison for rapists instead of the 2 year minimum we have here in Texas right now.
 
2013-01-01 02:50:20 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: DogLee: Per police radio traffic, the suspect is a male hispanic headed toward the river from the shooting scene.

So illegal or gang member?

Don't be stupid.

There's no reason he can't be both.


If he's headed toward the river he's a dumbass. Easy to get caught there.

Not that he wasn't a farking piece of shiat to begin with. farkload of people with kids in Old Sac tonight, and where that bar is is across from the crossing and tunnel to most of the parking down there. He pretty much couldn't have picked a more crowded place to do that. :-(
 
2013-01-01 02:50:34 AM  
Why oh why... I am getting so sick of this. And the bad thing is they could ban all the guns and this would STILL happen.
 
2013-01-01 02:50:39 AM  

Gosling: And this is the anti-gun argument in a nutshell. The law-abiding gun owners may vastly outnumber the nuts, but there are enough nuts out there to ruin it for everyone.


And those nuts will still get guns, no matter what laws are put into place. The only people hampered by banning guns are law abiding citizens. There are 300 million+ guns in the US right now, there will be no way to get them all off the streets. There are already background checks required to buy a gun. Trying to outright ban guns will not work, especially in this country which owes its existence to citizens owning guns.
 
2013-01-01 02:50:41 AM  

Sid_6.7: This is why we can't have nice things.
.


Hispanics or guns?

Inb4 i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-01 02:50:49 AM  
is dick clark ok?
 
2013-01-01 02:51:18 AM  
Per police radio traffic, the suspect is a male hispanic headed toward the river from the shooting scene

Figures.
 
2013-01-01 02:51:55 AM  
I think the solution should be armed guards placed in all bars.
 
2013-01-01 02:52:31 AM  

Anthracite: Why oh why... I am getting so sick of this. And the bad thing is they could ban all the guns and this would STILL happen.


Arabs on 9/11, Latinos on 12/31. Clearly we need to ban all non muricans.
 
2013-01-01 02:52:42 AM  
Sounds like another angry young white gun nut again.
 
2013-01-01 02:53:11 AM  

some_beer_drinker: is dick clark ok?


I'm afraid...I have some bad news. You may want to sit down.
 
2013-01-01 02:53:14 AM  

cybrwzrd: Maybe it is time to make gun ownership illegal, and give the death penalty to those who refuse to give them up/continue to own them. That way the gun nuts can live out their masturbatory fantasy of going down in a fight with the government and the rest of us can be a little safer knowing that there are less guns on the street/available to be stolen for the purpose of mass murder. Sounds like a win/win situation to me, and everyone can be happy.


I wish I could hate fark this troll post.

/And a splendid New Years to you, my good man.
 
2013-01-01 02:53:47 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?

Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm



Yeah, I knew that but I just felt like poking the bear. Only got one taker but there was math involved and I've been drinking so I ignored it.

/yay vodak!
 
2013-01-01 02:53:59 AM  
Immigrants. Cramming their low riders full of free healthcare and... snow.
 
2013-01-01 02:54:12 AM  

belhade: Real Women Drink Akvavit: So glad I opted out of that this year. Went to my friend's NYE party instead. I can't picture myself in a fight in Old Sac, though. I'm more of the "Run away! Run away! and if  you can't, then, and only then, do you fight" type. Damn. I wonder what the back story on this is?

Sounds to me like a good old-fashioned bar fight gone bad, probably a 9mm pistol.


I've been caught in a couple of those, just without the gunfire. Like I said, "Run away! Run away!"

I've never had a problem in Old Sac, though. It's a straight shot from the Salvation Army and Friendship Park on the light rail to get within very easy walking distance, plus it's a tourist trap, so you get a lot of homeless in the area for panhandling purposes. They're not usually a problem, though. It always surprises me when I hear about things like this out there, even though I lived in  that area for years before moving to the 'burbs with my family. It's such a cool area, so it really does give me a sad to hear about things like this.

Heh. 7 minutes til the New Year here. Gotta put  some lip balm on and get ready to pucker up.

Stay safe, subs! Check in with us later, please!
 
2013-01-01 02:54:31 AM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.


It's cause subtard is a milk siping pantywaist. If he was a real American he would have gone armed with his Baretta 93R with extended magazine an incendiary ammunition, and run towards the gunfire eger to stop a bad man with a gun.
 
2013-01-01 02:55:02 AM  

BadReligion: There are already background checks required to buy a gun.


Those background checks are laughably easy to clear, it appears.
 
2013-01-01 02:56:42 AM  

Tank_Fuzzbutt: Per police radio traffic, the suspect is a male hispanic headed toward the river from the shooting scene

Figures.


Color me surprised.  Seeing that this was in Sac, I just assumed it would be blah people.
 
2013-01-01 02:56:54 AM  

Gosling: BadReligion: There are already background checks required to buy a gun.

Those background checks are laughably easy to clear, it appears.


For someone with no criminal background they sure are.
 
2013-01-01 02:57:07 AM  

lady_nocturne: If he's headed toward the river he's a dumbass. Easy to get caught there.


When I was in Rio on either Ipanema or Copacabana beach I forget which, the 'police' were chasing someone that had a gun and he did the same thing, ran right past us to the water.
What's up with that? Naturally he got caught.
 
2013-01-01 02:58:58 AM  

C18H27NO3: lady_nocturne: If he's headed toward the river he's a dumbass. Easy to get caught there.

When I was in Rio on either Ipanema or Copacabana beach I forget which, the 'police' were chasing someone that had a gun and he did the same thing, ran right past us to the water.
What's up with that? Naturally he got caught.

Maybe he thought the police were scared of the water, like a cat or something.
 
2013-01-01 02:59:15 AM  

BadReligion: For someone with no criminal background they sure are.


Obvious solution: pre-crime background checks. Where are we on the whole "giving people psychic powers" thing?
 
2013-01-01 02:59:54 AM  
Horrible way to spend New Years. Be safe.

Ban guns.. Ban guns.. RAH Polly want a cracker? So when we ban all of the guns and the criminals that already ignore every other law banning theft, drugs, etc continue to have them then what? Or say we confiscate them all and then crazy spouses or unhinged people on psych meds start driving cars through pedestrian zones and into crowded restaurants, then what? When do we ban banning stuff and realize this is due to our allowing crazy people to roam the streets while medicated rather than locking them up in Happy Farms Sanitarium?

FWIW I am not "pro gun" or a political righty. I just don't see the logic in banning one thing after another to address the real issue that America is doing a piss poor job with mantal illness. Sane gun owners, like sane drivers of cars and sane pilots are not causing mass murders. Crazy people are and its about time we start dealing with crazy instead of dealing with the implements they pick up.

/$.02
//off my soapbox now
///A very happy, safe and bountiful 2013 to you all
 
2013-01-01 03:00:09 AM  
Happy farking new year?
 
2013-01-01 03:00:12 AM  
Jesus, who was it on scene? Is he/she safe?
Hit the deck, subby, and report back when the all clear sounds.
 
2013-01-01 03:00:41 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: BadReligion: For someone with no criminal background they sure are.

Obvious solution: pre-crime background checks. Where are we on the whole "giving people psychic powers" thing?


We are building the human tanks, but the ball dispenser is proving tricky.
 
2013-01-01 03:01:37 AM  

Tickle Mittens: TheGhostofFarkPast: Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.

It's cause subtard is a milk siping pantywaist. If he was a real American he would have gone armed with his Baretta 93R with extended magazine an incendiary ammunition, and run towards the gunfire eger to stop a bad man with a gun.


There aren't any transferable 93Rs (aside from maybe some SOT dealer samples) in the U.S., only a couple of parts kits assembled on Taurus receivers, and they cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not something you'd carry concealed.
 
2013-01-01 03:01:49 AM  
Another responsible gun owner heard from.

/well, he was yesterday.
 
2013-01-01 03:01:56 AM  
Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.
 
2013-01-01 03:02:45 AM  

Fark It: Tickle Mittens: TheGhostofFarkPast: Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.

It's cause subtard is a milk siping pantywaist. If he was a real American he would have gone armed with his Baretta 93R with extended magazine an incendiary ammunition, and run towards the gunfire eger to stop a bad man with a gun.

There aren't any transferable 93Rs (aside from maybe some SOT dealer samples) in the U.S., only a couple of parts kits assembled on Taurus receivers, and they cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not something you'd carry concealed.


And really, who wants to carry a Taurus?
 
2013-01-01 03:03:58 AM  
ZOMG IM IN CALIFORNIA AND JUST HEARD LIKE A MILLION SHOTS RING OUT!
 
2013-01-01 03:04:04 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Another responsible gun owner heard from.

/well, he was yesterday.


Yes, something tells me the Hispanic guy who started a gunfight in a bar was the legal owner of that handgun.
 
2013-01-01 03:04:15 AM  

BadReligion: And really, who wants to carry a Taurus?


Tow truck drivers?
 
2013-01-01 03:04:23 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Another responsible gun owner heard from.

/well, he was yesterday.


lulz
 
2013-01-01 03:04:56 AM  

Moriel: BadReligion: And really, who wants to carry a Taurus?

Tow truck drivers?


Zing!
 
2013-01-01 03:04:57 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.


Well, don't freak out yet. It wasn't a "mass shooting" despite the media overreaction insta-frenzy. Five people were shot and two are dead, which is way too many of course, but it was apparently in a restaurant according to the updated report; so it could just as easily be a drunken family argument or idiots arguing over a beer tab. It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.
 
2013-01-01 03:06:32 AM  

BadReligion: Fark It: Tickle Mittens: TheGhostofFarkPast: Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.

It's cause subtard is a milk siping pantywaist. If he was a real American he would have gone armed with his Baretta 93R with extended magazine an incendiary ammunition, and run towards the gunfire eger to stop a bad man with a gun.

There aren't any transferable 93Rs (aside from maybe some SOT dealer samples) in the U.S., only a couple of parts kits assembled on Taurus receivers, and they cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not something you'd carry concealed.

And really, who wants to carry a Taurus?


Their 92FS clones are supposed to be decent, but that's only because they're built on old Beretta tooling. I'd be wary of any manufacturer that throws in a free NRA membership when you buy one of their pistols as a marketing ploy...
 
2013-01-01 03:06:54 AM  
Sad to see crazy never takes a holiday.
 
2013-01-01 03:07:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.

Well, don't freak out yet. It wasn't a "mass shooting" despite the media overreaction insta-frenzy. Five people were shot and two are dead, which is way too many of course, but it was apparently in a restaurant according to the updated report; so it could just as easily be a drunken family argument or idiots arguing over a beer tab. It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.


Opa gangland style
 
2013-01-01 03:07:19 AM  

BadReligion: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Another responsible gun owner heard from.

/well, he was yesterday.

Yes, something tells me the Hispanic guy who started a gunfight in a bar was the legal owner of that handgun.


Pretty sure Hispanics can still own guns and go to bars.

/well, not in az but this was ca
 
2013-01-01 03:08:44 AM  
We need more Good Guys armed against the Bad Guys so that these things don't happen ...

(Or some other bullshiat reasoning from the perpetually pants-pissingly scared, infantile right wing, second amendment fundamentalist nutjobs).
 
2013-01-01 03:08:45 AM  

Gyrfalcon: It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.


Just wait. Tomorrow it will be a high-capacity assault pistol with extended clips, like this one:

cdn.ammoland.com
 
2013-01-01 03:09:11 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BadReligion: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Another responsible gun owner heard from.

/well, he was yesterday.

Yes, something tells me the Hispanic guy who started a gunfight in a bar was the legal owner of that handgun.

Pretty sure Hispanics can still own guns and go to bars.

/well, not in az but this was ca


I am aware, but statistically gunfights like this are started by people, specifically gang bangers or drug dealers, that do not legally own their guns.
 
2013-01-01 03:09:21 AM  
The murderous pendejo is looking for his 15 minutes of infamy; the media would do well to rob him of that when he's eventually nabbed. Of course, that's not going to happen.

Not the bang 2013 should have started off on. :(
 
2013-01-01 03:09:48 AM  
If the dude is an illegal alien then there will be a whole different take on this later by Farks hard party liners by tomorrow.
 
2013-01-01 03:10:03 AM  
Live scanner feed here (which interestingly seems to have the most info out of the multiple Sacramento-area scanner feeds on Broadcastify.
 
2013-01-01 03:10:14 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.

Well, don't freak out yet. It wasn't a "mass shooting" despite the media overreaction insta-frenzy. Five people were shot and two are dead, which is way too many of course, but it was apparently in a restaurant according to the updated report; so it could just as easily be a drunken family argument or idiots arguing over a beer tab. It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.


That's not a particularly reassuring way to assess the situation.
 
2013-01-01 03:10:21 AM  

homelessdude: Cue Wayne LaPierre press conference (complete with patented lip drool) with calls to have armed guards at all fireworks displays. Go USA!

[c498390.r90.cf2.rackcdn.com image 250x140]


Nah, according to LaPierre, we just need armed teachers at all fireworks displays.
 
2013-01-01 03:12:18 AM  

sadbad: Gyrfalcon: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.

Well, don't freak out yet. It wasn't a "mass shooting" despite the media overreaction insta-frenzy. Five people were shot and two are dead, which is way too many of course, but it was apparently in a restaurant according to the updated report; so it could just as easily be a drunken family argument or idiots arguing over a beer tab. It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.

That's not a particularly reassuring way to assess the situation.


Why did we think allowing firearms in public places that serve alcohol was a good idea again?
 
2013-01-01 03:13:01 AM  
G'dammit Sac-town! We almost made it without this shiat storm nonsense
 
2013-01-01 03:14:26 AM  

Summoner101: sadbad: Gyrfalcon: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.

Well, don't freak out yet. It wasn't a "mass shooting" despite the media overreaction insta-frenzy. Five people were shot and two are dead, which is way too many of course, but it was apparently in a restaurant according to the updated report; so it could just as easily be a drunken family argument or idiots arguing over a beer tab. It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.

That's not a particularly reassuring way to assess the situation.

Why did we think allowing firearms in public places that serve alcohol was a good idea again?


You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.
 
2013-01-01 03:14:37 AM  
A poetic ending for 2012
 
2013-01-01 03:15:22 AM  
So much random violence killing all the innocents in America and yet Justin Beiber is still alive. Why God Why? Where is the sense in all of this?
 
2013-01-01 03:15:39 AM  
Stay safe, Sacramentoads. Especially Lady_Nocturne and nesler.
 
2013-01-01 03:15:44 AM  
"Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.
 
2013-01-01 03:16:22 AM  

Summoner101: Why did we think serving alcohol in public places that allow firearms was a good idea again?


Either way it's retarded.
 
2013-01-01 03:17:04 AM  

mikaloyd: So much random violence killing all the innocents in America and yet Justin Beiber is still alive. Why God Why? Where is the sense in all of this?


We don't want to go to war with Canada.
 
2013-01-01 03:17:19 AM  

Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.


Actually, that sounds more like a Redenbacher.
 
2013-01-01 03:18:25 AM  

mikaloyd: So much random violence killing all the innocents in America and yet Justin Beiber is still alive. Why God Why? Where is the sense in all of this?


Bieber's Canadian.
 
2013-01-01 03:18:38 AM  

BadReligion: You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.


Then why the hell do we bother with rules? Why don't we make murder legal if people are just going to keep ignoring all the rules against it?

This is not the Old West, no matter how much you wish it was. We're trying to civilize shiat around here these days.
 
2013-01-01 03:18:39 AM  

Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.


I know my revolvers are all "ka-POW" while my rifles are all "Boom!" and my Sig Sauers go "Ka Chow" like the car in Cars. I don't own any Glocks, but "pop" sounds wrong, I think they go "kaboom!"
 
2013-01-01 03:19:02 AM  
Gun toting hispanic? This won't end well.
 
2013-01-01 03:19:06 AM  
Is this subby on site like Flynavy coming from the scene of Somali Pirates?
 
2013-01-01 03:19:31 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: mikaloyd: So much random violence killing all the innocents in America and yet Justin Beiber is still alive. Why God Why? Where is the sense in all of this?

Bieber's Canadian.


why wont he go home?
 
2013-01-01 03:19:36 AM  
"It sounded like a Glock."

I get the full auto ak sound. What is specific to a glock sound? Or is this the verbal version of an ak47 poster?

/Maybe they used the wrong clip?
 
2013-01-01 03:19:46 AM  

Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.


sounds exactly how its spelled. Any other questions?
 
2013-01-01 03:19:55 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?

Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm


So why do you have enough firepower to take out a small European country? This is a serious question. Why do you think you need that?
 
2013-01-01 03:19:56 AM  

Pincy: Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.


Put your money in a shredder, and listen to it get minced. That's about what it sounds like.
 
2013-01-01 03:20:36 AM  

Fark It: BadReligion: Fark It: Tickle Mittens: TheGhostofFarkPast: Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.

It's cause subtard is a milk siping pantywaist. If he was a real American he would have gone armed with his Baretta 93R with extended magazine an incendiary ammunition, and run towards the gunfire eger to stop a bad man with a gun.

There aren't any transferable 93Rs (aside from maybe some SOT dealer samples) in the U.S., only a couple of parts kits assembled on Taurus receivers, and they cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not something you'd carry concealed.

And really, who wants to carry a Taurus?

Their 92FS clones are supposed to be decent, but that's only because they're built on old Beretta tooling. I'd be wary of any manufacturer that throws in a free NRA membership when you buy one of their pistols as a marketing ploy...


Their wheel guns and 1911 clone are pretty good. I carry an 82 at work right now
 
2013-01-01 03:20:56 AM  

echo5juliet: Horrible way to spend New Years. Be safe.

Ban guns.. Ban guns.. RAH Polly want a cracker? So when we ban all of the guns and the criminals that already ignore every other law banning theft, drugs, etc continue to have them then what? Or say we confiscate them all and then crazy spouses or unhinged people on psych meds start driving cars through pedestrian zones and into crowded restaurants, then what? When do we ban banning stuff and realize this is due to our allowing crazy people to roam the streets while unmedicated rather than locking them up in Happy Farms Sanitarium?

FWIW I am not "pro gun" or a political righty. I just don't see the logic in banning one thing after another to address the real issue that America is doing a piss poor job with mantal illness. Sane gun owners, like sane drivers of cars and sane pilots are not causing mass murders. Crazy people are and its about time we start dealing with crazy instead of dealing with the implements they pick up.


/$.02
//off my soapbox now
///A very happy, safe and bountiful 2013 to you all



FTFY. Seems to me it's the part where we rely on them to take their meds while unsupervised that keeps screwing us. They can say what they like, but I'm with you--institutionalization has it's perks-- like keeping society safe.
 
2013-01-01 03:21:04 AM  

Gosling: BadReligion: You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.

Then why the hell do we bother with rules? Why don't we make murder legal if people are just going to keep ignoring all the rules against it?

This is not the Old West, no matter how much you wish it was. We're trying to civilize shiat around here these days.


Actually he's a 21st century digital boy.
 
2013-01-01 03:21:33 AM  
there's no reason for respectable people to enter that city.
 
2013-01-01 03:21:43 AM  

Phins: Real Women Drink Akvavit: adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?

Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm

So why do you have enough firepower to take out a small European country? This is a serious question. Why do you think you need that?


Don't know how to live but he's got a lot of toys?
 
2013-01-01 03:22:22 AM  

Gosling: BadReligion: You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.

Then why the hell do we bother with rules? Why don't we make murder legal if people are just going to keep ignoring all the rules against it?

This is not the Old West, no matter how much you wish it was. We're trying to civilize shiat around here these days.


My point is some people don't follow rules, so extra rules that only hinder law abiding citizens and don't actually affect the criminal are stupid and redundant. That said, in most states it is illegal to carry in a bar if you are consuming alcohol(or even to enter the bar in others) but that did not stop this guy from shooting up the place. I doubt the extra charge for that on top of the murders and assaults will do anything to him.
 
2013-01-01 03:22:54 AM  

BadReligion: I know my revolvers are all "ka-POW" while my rifles are all "Boom!" and my Sig Sauers go "Ka Chow" like the car in Cars. I don't own any Glocks, but "pop" sounds wrong, I think they go "kaboom!"


Don Martin's gun goes "PLAM PLAM" and sometimes "FLOON".
 
2013-01-01 03:23:54 AM  

thisdaydreamer: Farking hell I've had enough of this. Be safe, subby,


Hell yeah, I'm tired of this sh@t and I'm gonna go cry now, hopefully I'll feel better later but I'm pretty drunk already, I hope it's not too bad,

/I don't know what too bad means : (
 
2013-01-01 03:24:17 AM  

Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.


Fark what it sounds like. Magazine size, rate of fire and reload time are what I'm worried about.

And honestly, if you're like my cousin and try to seriously make an argument that people who have not been in an active gunfight (he's home from a tour in Afghanistan, which as you know is TOTALLY the same situation as a town hall meeting in Tuscon or a Sikh temple in Wisconsin or an elementary school in Connecticut or a New Year's celebration in Sacramento) have no right to an opinion regarding magazine size, the arms that come out of your screen and strangle you to death will be mine.
 
2013-01-01 03:25:36 AM  

BadReligion: Summoner101: sadbad: Gyrfalcon: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.

Well, don't freak out yet. It wasn't a "mass shooting" despite the media overreaction insta-frenzy. Five people were shot and two are dead, which is way too many of course, but it was apparently in a restaurant according to the updated report; so it could just as easily be a drunken family argument or idiots arguing over a beer tab. It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.

That's not a particularly reassuring way to assess the situation.

Why did we think allowing firearms in public places that serve alcohol was a good idea again?

You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.


No, but the bartender would at least have had cause not to serve someone carrying.
 
2013-01-01 03:25:37 AM  

Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.


It would sound like a semi-auto.
 
2013-01-01 03:25:44 AM  

BadReligion: My point is some people don't follow rules, so extra rules that only hinder law abiding citizens and don't actually affect the criminal are stupid and redundant.


That's the most chickenshiat goddamned thing I've ever heard.
 
2013-01-01 03:26:45 AM  

Gosling: Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.

Fark what it sounds like. Magazine size, rate of fire and reload time are what I'm worried about.

And honestly, if you're like my cousin and try to seriously make an argument that people who have not been in an active gunfight (he's home from a tour in Afghanistan, which as you know is TOTALLY the same situation as a town hall meeting in Tuscon or a Sikh temple in Wisconsin or an elementary school in Connecticut or a New Year's celebration in Sacramento) have no right to an opinion regarding magazine size, the arms that come out of your screen and strangle you to death will be mine.


Good thing you have the right to those arms.
 
2013-01-01 03:27:13 AM  

Gosling: Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.

Fark what it sounds like. Magazine size, rate of fire and reload time are what I'm worried about.

And honestly, if you're like my cousin and try to seriously make an argument that people who have not been in an active gunfight (he's home from a tour in Afghanistan, which as you know is TOTALLY the same situation as a town hall meeting in Tuscon or a Sikh temple in Wisconsin or an elementary school in Connecticut or a New Year's celebration in Sacramento) have no right to an opinion regarding magazine size, the arms that come out of your screen and strangle you to death will be mine.


If no one else can have an opinion about it, neither can you...

What a crappy argument. My cousin spent 4 years in Afghanistan and his opinion differs from your cousin.
 
2013-01-01 03:27:25 AM  
Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.
 
2013-01-01 03:27:27 AM  
Time for the sane to buy those extended clips now kids.
 
2013-01-01 03:27:33 AM  

Summoner101: BadReligion: Summoner101: sadbad: Gyrfalcon: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.

Well, don't freak out yet. It wasn't a "mass shooting" despite the media overreaction insta-frenzy. Five people were shot and two are dead, which is way too many of course, but it was apparently in a restaurant according to the updated report; so it could just as easily be a drunken family argument or idiots arguing over a beer tab. It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.

That's not a particularly reassuring way to assess the situation.

Why did we think allowing firearms in public places that serve alcohol was a good idea again?

You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.

No, but the bartender would at least have had cause not to serve someone carrying.


To expand on this, I couldn't give two shiats about someone with a CCW in a restaurant. It's legally serving that person a mood altering drug while armed that's the issue.
 
2013-01-01 03:27:36 AM  

Phins: So why do you have enough firepower to take out a small European country? This is a serious question. Why do you think you need that?


Am american with more than he needs? In this economy?

I too feel that he should donate guns to those less fortunate than himself until we all have plenty.
 
2013-01-01 03:28:03 AM  

Phins: Real Women Drink Akvavit: adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?

Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm

So why do you have enough firepower to take out a small European country? This is a serious question. Why do you think you need that?


I like target  shooting and think guns are nifty, that's why. Just like some  people collect comic books, I collect weapons. I have taken training in how to use them safely and retrain every couple years. Still not sure if I could actually shoot someone, even if my life was on the line, though. I'm hazardous only to pepsi cans. Do I  need them? No. But I also do not need all that nail polish, all those shoes and handbags or multiple translations of the Eddas. I just happen to have them because I like them. I think most people are that way to a certain extent, just not usually with weaponry.

I also have an array of medieval  weapons (mostly swords) proudly displayed on  the walls of my lair. Most are reproductions and are blunts, but they are still very cool.

/got my New Year's kiss! Huzzah!
//waiting for the pool tournament to be over so we can head out
 
2013-01-01 03:28:21 AM  

Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."


I guess it's true.

Once you pop, you can't stop.
 
2013-01-01 03:28:46 AM  
"Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

I think it was an uzi.
 
2013-01-01 03:29:58 AM  

Gosling: BadReligion: My point is some people don't follow rules, so extra rules that only hinder law abiding citizens and don't actually affect the criminal are stupid and redundant.

That's the most chickenshiat goddamned thing I've ever heard.


Why, just because you don't agree with it?
 
2013-01-01 03:30:33 AM  

Summoner101: Summoner101: BadReligion: Summoner101: sadbad: Gyrfalcon: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.

Well, don't freak out yet. It wasn't a "mass shooting" despite the media overreaction insta-frenzy. Five people were shot and two are dead, which is way too many of course, but it was apparently in a restaurant according to the updated report; so it could just as easily be a drunken family argument or idiots arguing over a beer tab. It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.

That's not a particularly reassuring way to assess the situation.

Why did we think allowing firearms in public places that serve alcohol was a good idea again?

You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.

No, but the bartender would at least have had cause not to serve someone carrying.

To expand on this, I couldn't give two shiats about someone with a CCW in a restaurant. It's legally serving that person a mood altering drug while armed that's the issue.


How do you know he is carrying if it is concealed?
 
2013-01-01 03:30:48 AM  

Gosling: Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.

Fark what it sounds like. Magazine size, rate of fire and reload time are what I'm worried about.

And honestly, if you're like my cousin and try to seriously make an argument that people who have not been in an active gunfight (he's home from a tour in Afghanistan, which as you know is TOTALLY the same situation as a town hall meeting in Tuscon or a Sikh temple in Wisconsin or an elementary school in Connecticut or a New Year's celebration in Sacramento) have no right to an opinion regarding magazine size, the arms that come out of your screen and strangle you to death will be mine.


Actually, my comment was sarcastic and I was poking fun at people like your cousin.
 
2013-01-01 03:31:18 AM  
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"Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."
 
2013-01-01 03:31:24 AM  

Phins: Real Women Drink Akvavit: adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?

Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm

So why do you have enough firepower to take out a small European country? This is a serious question. Why do you think you need that?



Thousands of people are killed in car wrecks every year. Jay Leno probably owns enough cars to equip every family in Lichtenstein with an automobile. Why don't you ask him why he needs that many cars?
 
2013-01-01 03:31:49 AM  

Summoner101: Summoner101: BadReligion: Summoner101: sadbad: Gyrfalcon: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs..what a way to start the new year..not even one farking day, and some asshole has to go bugshiat. farking Christ.

Well, don't freak out yet. It wasn't a "mass shooting" despite the media overreaction insta-frenzy. Five people were shot and two are dead, which is way too many of course, but it was apparently in a restaurant according to the updated report; so it could just as easily be a drunken family argument or idiots arguing over a beer tab. It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.

That's not a particularly reassuring way to assess the situation.

Why did we think allowing firearms in public places that serve alcohol was a good idea again?

You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.

No, but the bartender would at least have had cause not to serve someone carrying.

To expand on this, I couldn't give two shiats about someone with a CCW in a restaurant. It's legally serving that person a mood altering drug while armed that's the issue.


I agree, and legally they can't. That won't stop the guy illegally carrying though, and seeing as how this is Cali, he almost definately was illegally carrying.
 
2013-01-01 03:32:09 AM  

cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.


Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.
 
2013-01-01 03:32:53 AM  

Pincy: Actually, my comment was sarcastic and I was poking fun at people like your cousin.


Ah. Apologies; carry on, then.
 
2013-01-01 03:34:34 AM  

Molavian: Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

I guess it's true.

Once you pop, you can't stop.


Which olympic gymnast made her taco pop? She may have predicted this
 
2013-01-01 03:35:01 AM  

cybrwzrd: Maybe it is time to make gun ownership illegal, and give the death penalty to those who refuse to give them up/continue to own them. That way the gun nuts can live out their masturbatory fantasy of going down in a fight with the government and the rest of us can be a little safer knowing that there are less guns on the street/available to be stolen for the purpose of mass murder. Sounds like a win/win situation to me, and everyone can be happy.


.5/10 you were doing great, then you got greedy
 
2013-01-01 03:35:20 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Phins: Real Women Drink Akvavit: adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?

Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm

So why do you have enough firepower to take out a small European country? This is a serious question. Why do you think you need that?

I like target  shooting and think guns are nifty, that's why. Just like some  people collect comic books, I collect weapons. I have taken training in how to use them safely and retrain every couple years. Still not sure if I could actually shoot someone, even if my life was on the line, though. I'm hazardous only to pepsi cans. Do I  need them? No. But I also do not need all that nail polish, all those shoes and handbags or multiple translations of the Eddas. I just happen to have them because I like them. I think most people are that way to a certain extent, just not usually with weaponry.

I also have an array of medieval  weapons (mostly swords) proudly displayed on  the walls of my lair. Most are reproductions and are blunts, but they are still very cool.

/got my New Year's kiss! Huzzah!
//waiting for the pool tournament to be over so we can head out


I think I'm in love , don't worry I'll worship from afar, but yea my uncle and dad taught me to shoot when I was 7, and well my ex she had ad a masters in archeology she had a real claymore, and longsword that I learned a bit on. Those were really fun : )
 
2013-01-01 03:35:38 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-01 03:35:58 AM  

adeist69: Phins: Real Women Drink Akvavit: adeist69: So, how are those strict gun laws and high capacity magazine bans working out for you California?

Our gun laws aren't as strict as people seem to think  they are. I have enough firepower to take out a small European country. Also, high capacity magazines are very much a part of gun ownership here. When those things were banned, along with "assault weapons", if you already had one,  you got to keep it. You were grandfathered in. There was lag between when the law was passed and when it took effect, so a lot of people went out and stocked up or made purchases before the  law into effect. We' probably just as heavily armed, if not more so because of the bans, than your average Texan here in Cali. Plus, we have tofu and wheat grass. YAY!

/loves California
//weirdness has its own special charm

So why do you have enough firepower to take out a small European country? This is a serious question. Why do you think you need that?


Thousands of people are killed in car wrecks every year. Jay Leno probably owns enough cars to equip every family in Lichtenstein with an automobile. Why don't you ask him why he needs that many cars?


That's an interesting thing to bring up, considering that Sacramento has a particularly high death rate per auto accident. Worst in California.

/ heard it on the radio, so it must be true, right?
 
2013-01-01 03:38:16 AM  

Phins: Why do you think you need that?


I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

It's not like you need anything other than shelter, food, and water. Why do you think you need internet access? A computer? Who needs that kind of bandwidth? Why do you need so many clothes? A couple shirts and a couple pairs of pants is all anyone really needs. Maybe a pair of shoes. Honestly, you don't really need running water, or hot water for that matter. You could make it just fine with a well and some buckets, right?
 
2013-01-01 03:38:26 AM  
On behalf of all farkers I don't give a shiat about your fate.

I call bullshiat.
 
2013-01-01 03:39:02 AM  

Fark It: Tickle Mittens: TheGhostofFarkPast: Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.

It's cause subtard is a milk siping pantywaist. If he was a real American he would have gone armed with his Baretta 93R with extended magazine an incendiary ammunition, and run towards the gunfire eger to stop a bad man with a gun.

There aren't any transferable 93Rs (aside from maybe some SOT dealer samples) in the U.S., only a couple of parts kits assembled on Taurus receivers, and they cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not something you'd carry concealed.


Terrible, just terrible. It's getting so you can't even take a movie like Face/Off seriously.
 
2013-01-01 03:39:22 AM  

BadReligion: Gosling: BadReligion: My point is some people don't follow rules, so extra rules that only hinder law abiding citizens and don't actually affect the criminal are stupid and redundant.

That's the most chickenshiat goddamned thing I've ever heard.

Why, just because you don't agree with it?


No. Because disparaging rules- you know, the agreements we make as a society so that we can be a society- just out of a fear that some people don't feel like following those rules is a really good way to tear said society to shreds. Dammit, you're supposed to be better than those people. You're not supposed to just cast aside basic farking human decency in the name of monsters at your front door. Just because some people don't follow rules doesn't mean you don't have to either.
 
2013-01-01 03:39:57 AM  

Molavian: Phins: Why do you think you need that?

I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

It's not like you need anything other than shelter, food, and water. Why do you think you need internet access? A computer? Who needs that kind of bandwidth? Why do you need so many clothes? A couple shirts and a couple pairs of pants is all anyone really needs. Maybe a pair of shoes. Honestly, you don't really need running water, or hot water for that matter. You could make it just fine with a well and some buckets, right?


This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I have ever read on Fark.
 
2013-01-01 03:40:21 AM  

mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.


Sacramento is a good solid B-level city, but it loses some of its shine because of the neighbors; San Francisco, San Jose, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, etc. Stockton on the other hand...
 
2013-01-01 03:40:52 AM  
This is why we can't have ni *looks off stage* "oh, that's been said a dozen times already? Carry on then"
 
2013-01-01 03:41:56 AM  

mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.


I was gonna go for Bakersfield or Fresno as the armpit, then I realized they're more like the diseased crotch of California. So Stockton (or Modesto) it is!
 
2013-01-01 03:43:19 AM  

Gosling: BadReligion: Gosling: BadReligion: My point is some people don't follow rules, so extra rules that only hinder law abiding citizens and don't actually affect the criminal are stupid and redundant.

That's the most chickenshiat goddamned thing I've ever heard.

Why, just because you don't agree with it?

No. Because disparaging rules- you know, the agreements we make as a society so that we can be a society- just out of a fear that some people don't feel like following those rules is a really good way to tear said society to shreds. Dammit, you're supposed to be better than those people. You're not supposed to just cast aside basic farking human decency in the name of monsters at your front door. Just because some people don't follow rules doesn't mean you don't have to either.


I understand what you are saying, but you are proposing enacting new rules because people broke the rules that are already in place, to the detriment of no one but law abiding citizens. More rules doesn't make a society more decent, it makes it more draconian. We can only try so hard to protect ourselves from each other before we cross that line.
 
2013-01-01 03:43:26 AM  

Pincy: Molavian: Phins: Why do you think you need that?

I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

It's not like you need anything other than shelter, food, and water. Why do you think you need internet access? A computer? Who needs that kind of bandwidth? Why do you need so many clothes? A couple shirts and a couple pairs of pants is all anyone really needs. Maybe a pair of shoes. Honestly, you don't really need running water, or hot water for that matter. You could make it just fine with a well and some buckets, right?

This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I have ever read on Fark.


That's ok, I just received one of the dumbest replies I have ever read on Fark. Weird, huh?
 
2013-01-01 03:44:25 AM  

mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.


Wow...it's late and I'm tired and full of derp apparently.

Yes, Stockton was where I went not Sacramento.

Sorry, completely my bad. Please retract my previous statement.

/off to bed!
//stay safe subs and Happy New Year folks!
 
2013-01-01 03:44:50 AM  

Summoner101: Why did we think allowing firearms in public places that serve alcohol was a good idea again?


You didn't.  It's illegal as hell in California.  It appears to be working as good as the rest of their gun control.

Perennial fail.
 
2013-01-01 03:45:52 AM  

Molavian: Phins: Why do you think you need that?

I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

It's not like you need anything other than shelter, food, and water. Why do you think you need internet access? A computer? Who needs that kind of bandwidth? Why do you need so many clothes? A couple shirts and a couple pairs of pants is all anyone really needs. Maybe a pair of shoes. Honestly, you don't really need running water, or hot water for that matter. You could make it just fine with a well and some buckets, right?


You are under assault, yes

Poisonous paragraphs smash your phonograph in half
It be the Inspectah Deck on the warpath
First class leaving mics with a cast
Causing ruckus like the aftermath when guns blast
Run fast, here comes the verbal assaulter
Rhymes running wild like a child in a walker
I scored from the inner slums abroad
And my thoughts are razor sharp I sliced the mic from the cord
First they criticize, but now they have become
Mentally paralyzed with hits that I devise
Now I testify, the rest is I, Rebel INS
Your highness, blessed to electrify
With voltage of a eel, truth that I reveal
Will crush the amateurs who scream they keep it real
Caesar black down hoodied up in fatigues
Part time minor leagues receive third degrees
Attack like a wolf pack, once I pull back
The God-U, and bust through like a fullback

Yo, you fourteen carat gold slum computer wizard
Tapping inside my rap vein causes blizzards
Do I like the kills for ice trife like botta digits
Gorillas injected with strength of eighty midgets
The Earth spins, Wu wins, rap exotic blends
Let my peeps in, nubians gasping, swallowing aspirins
What a dosage, you overdosed in rap
High explosives my posters hypnotize with hypnosis
I sell goods, my whole Clan is on the run like Natural Born Killers
Record-breaking the album Thriller
Got access to tear gas, bombs and rocket launchers
Float like dope killer beesis what I sponsor
Your entrepeneur, pens and ear like Shakespeare
When I fark I grab hair, collect drawers as souveneirs
fark yeah, my crew down German beers
My career's based on guns, throwing cats in wheelchairs
Etcetera, damage any lame ass competitor
Who try to front, get broken in fast like leathers
Whatever hot hardheads get shattered like mirrors
Beretta shots splatter your goose, scatter your feathers
Say never poetry chumps crumbs deal with graphic
Flew my family overseas a mansion
If rap was crack, fully packed I be tour cats
Taxing kingpin of the rap drug trafficking
Village nubians get slapped in Manhattan
For rapping, Big Ghost steps off laughing
Ha!
Sit back relax, fake nubians don't get turns
Watch me massage your brain with slang that's king
Projects filled with young men cause threats
Who has that? Thousand dollar chains and Tecs
Focus, the brokest nubians of life shiat
These mics is like cocaine son, check the suicidal hype shiat
Exchange mad blunts taste the sweepstakes
Keeping up on fakes outta state for cakes
No doubt, plus nobody amount, we making dough off
Putting fifty on the Land and Allah, it's like that
Pull ya shoes up black, matter of fact just adapt
Tie up, your black Nike's and tight hats
Corners stay surrounded with foreigners
What up, dread? Feds caught your bredren for his bread
But regardless, peace to jail nubians with charges
Unify laying in the yard with La
My Clan done ran from Japan to Atlanta, with stamina
Clingers and gamblers, and gram handlers
Tical light the Owl cigar, let's get steamed
Infra-red guard your beam, so seek nuff respect
Rude bwoy you bet, keep it moving par shallah
Pro black like tar
Designing the fly shiat and stay shining
The RZA pour more beats than Cristal's fine wine
Concrete raps go to bat
With 50 other nubians on the other side of the map
Knew it's all good and all done what, we want son
Mike Tyson of this rap shiat, pulling out Macs for fun

The nubian don't get mad, I got mad styles of my own
And it's shown when my hands grip the chrome microphone
Verbally I catch bodies with cordless shotties
Intriguing emcees, I keep em trained like potties
I bomb facts, my sword is an axe
To split backs invisible, like dope fiend tracks
Sky's the limit, nubians are timid, and nobody knows
How we move like wolfs in sheep clothes
Producing data, microchips of software
Underground and off air, the Land of the Lost
Notorious henchman from the North
Striking nubians where the Mason-Dixon line cross

-the WU
/happy new year!
 
2013-01-01 03:45:54 AM  

Notabunny: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

Sacramento is a good solid B-level city, but it loses some of its shine because of the neighbors; San Francisco, San Jose, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, etc. Stockton on the other hand...




Yup. Born and raised in Sacramento. Travelled the world for a few years (thanks, army!), but I'm still here. It may lose some shine to its neighbors, but I love that it's so close to all of them so I can drive to any of them.

/headed up to Tahoe tomorrow.
//Misses an I rented a cabin for a few days.
 
2013-01-01 03:45:55 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

I was gonna go for Bakersfield or Fresno as the armpit, then I realized they're more like the diseased crotch of California. So Stockton (or Modesto) it is!


Hey! I hope your midnight kiss has a diseased crotch!
 
2013-01-01 03:46:14 AM  

BadReligion: I understand what you are saying, but you are proposing enacting new rules because people broke the rules that are already in place, to the detriment of no one but law abiding citizens. More rules doesn't make a society more decent, it makes it more draconian. We can only try so hard to protect ourselves from each other before we cross that line.


You forget that a lot of these people qualified as 'law-abiding citizens' right up until the moment they opened fire. Funny how the pro-gun side never seems to bring that up. To hear the pro-gun side tell it, each and every shooter has been a criminal right out of the womb.
 
2013-01-01 03:47:30 AM  
Wait, nobody interpreted "Subby on site" as subby being the shooter?

/damn, maybe I really am going to hell.
 
2013-01-01 03:47:40 AM  
> I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

The below question back to you is as old ad dirt, but I'm always interested in hearing people's answers...

Ok, so you like collecting handguns and assault rifles because they're nifty. I get that. But I'm curious where you draw the line? Bazookas? Grenades? Land mines in your back yard (it's YOUR back yard, after all). Small tactical nukes? Anthrax?

Where does a weapon cross over in your mind from being "fun to collect" to "too harmful to the general population's welfare to be in private hands"?
 
2013-01-01 03:49:02 AM  

mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.


lol
I have a friend from stockton.
he'll deny up and down that it is the biggest piece of shiat west of the mississipi river.
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/8-stockton/
 
2013-01-01 03:50:15 AM  

Gosling: BadReligion: I understand what you are saying, but you are proposing enacting new rules because people broke the rules that are already in place, to the detriment of no one but law abiding citizens. More rules doesn't make a society more decent, it makes it more draconian. We can only try so hard to protect ourselves from each other before we cross that line.

You forget that a lot of these people qualified as 'law-abiding citizens' right up until the moment they opened fire. Funny how the pro-gun side never seems to bring that up. To hear the pro-gun side tell it, each and every shooter has been a criminal right out of the womb.


And you seem to forget that well over 99.9% of legal gun owners never commit any kind of violent crimes with their guns. Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.
 
2013-01-01 03:50:56 AM  

relcec: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

lol
I have a friend from stockton.
he'll deny up and down that it is the biggest piece of shiat west of the mississipi river.
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/8-stockton/


Your friend needs an intervention and therapy
/used to live in Stockton
 
2013-01-01 03:51:49 AM  

relcec: I have a friend from stockton.
he'll deny up and down that it is the biggest piece of shiat west of the mississipi river.


Well, your friend is right. You know, ever since Galactus took that giant dump in Wichita.
 
2013-01-01 03:51:54 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie:I think I'm in love , don't worry I'll worship from afar, but yea my uncle and dad taught me to shoot when I was 7, and well my ex she had ad a masters in archeology she had a real claymore, and longsword that I learned a bit on. Those were really fun : )

I think my proudest acquisition is an actual, genuine (as far as we know and were told) Zweihander. It's a sharp, so I can't play with it, and it's so very old so I'd not play with it anyway. I believe it is genuine, as it has some leather straps wrapped around the hilt and what appears to be  blood stains on them. Wow. Just wow. I didn't even know leather could last that long. What, five centuries or something? This is why my sis won't come into my lair if I'm not in here. She's creeped out by a lot of the stuff in here.  In all fairness, I'm creeped out by all her  Beatles memorabilia, stuffed animal frogs and bunnies (???) and Bob Marley stuff, so I guess we're even.

/she's still one of my BFFs, though
 
2013-01-01 03:52:08 AM  

BadReligion: Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.


Illegally obtained...from whom?
 
2013-01-01 03:52:38 AM  
They need more good guys with guns.
 
2013-01-01 03:52:51 AM  

mikaloyd: Real Women Drink Akvavit: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

I was gonna go for Bakersfield or Fresno as the armpit, then I realized they're more like the diseased crotch of California. So Stockton (or Modesto) it is!

Hey! I hope your midnight kiss has a diseased crotch!


Do you really wanna make me cry
 
2013-01-01 03:53:15 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: [i.imgur.com image 391x585]


I dont think those demographics actually overlap that much.
 
2013-01-01 03:53:45 AM  
If this had happened in October it wouldn't have even made Fark. You people are pathetic.
 
2013-01-01 03:53:49 AM  

Notabunny: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

Sacramento is a good solid B-level city, but it loses some of its shine because of the neighbors; San Francisco, San Jose, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, etc. Stockton on the other hand...


I'll give it a c
being between san fransisco and tahoe is the most charming thing about it. when the most redeeming part of your city is the ability to get the f*ck out of it to somewhere nice you don't get a b.
 
2013-01-01 03:53:58 AM  

BadReligion: And you seem to forget that well over 99.9% of legal gun owners never commit any kind of violent crimes with their guns. Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.


See Sid 6.7 up at the top of the thread. As far as I am more and more concerned by the day, the 0.1% that do have officially ruined it for everybody. The 0.1% is why you can't have liquids on airplanes anymore.
 
2013-01-01 03:54:50 AM  

millifoo: > I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

The below question back to you is as old ad dirt, but I'm always interested in hearing people's answers...

Ok, so you like collecting handguns and assault rifles because they're nifty. I get that. But I'm curious where you draw the line? Bazookas? Grenades? Land mines in your back yard (it's YOUR back yard, after all). Small tactical nukes? Anthrax?

Where does a weapon cross over in your mind from being "fun to collect" to "too harmful to the general population's welfare to be in private hands"?


The line in my mind is when it crosses from requiring intentional interaction to harm people, to the thing is harmful just sitting there. Nukes, chemical weapons, biologicals, some of the high explosives. Maybe if it can do damage on its own, with no interaction required. Kind of like a pit bull.

I think I should be able to buy grenades, grenade launchers, fully automatic weapons, etc., with the controls we already have in place. And honestly, if not for a bit of sneaky politics, I'd be able to. I still can, it's just really damn expensive. I already have things that most people think are illegal, but they're not when you pay the right tax.
 
2013-01-01 03:55:08 AM  

millifoo: > I want it. I like it. It's as simple as that.

The below question back to you is as old ad dirt, but I'm always interested in hearing people's answers...

Ok, so you like collecting handguns and assault rifles because they're nifty. I get that. But I'm curious where you draw the line? Bazookas? Grenades? Land mines in your back yard (it's YOUR back yard, after all). Small tactical nukes? Anthrax?

Where does a weapon cross over in your mind from being "fun to collect" to "too harmful to the general population's welfare to be in private hands"?


No one has said that any of those weapons you've listed should be available to the general public
 
2013-01-01 03:56:18 AM  
Came here for the knee jerk "guns must be banned" rants and emotional reactionary commentary, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-01-01 03:56:22 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: illegally obtained...from whom?


we give up. tell us.
 
2013-01-01 03:56:40 AM  

Gosling: BadReligion: And you seem to forget that well over 99.9% of legal gun owners never commit any kind of violent crimes with their guns. Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.

See Sid 6.7 up at the top of the thread. As far as I am more and more concerned by the day, the 0.1% that do have officially ruined it for everybody. The 0.1% is why you can't have liquids on airplanes anymore.


And in my mind that is wrong. We continue to give up freedoms for a false illusion of safety that we will never achieve.

Anyway, it is late and we will never change each others minds, good night and happy new year!
 
2013-01-01 03:56:53 AM  

log_jammin: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: illegally obtained...from whom?

we give up. tell us.


Paco. That crazy mother sells anything.
 
2013-01-01 03:57:30 AM  

vudukungfu: Sucks being in your shoes, Subby.


And just what the hell are you doing in Subby's shoes anyway?
 
2013-01-01 03:57:46 AM  

Summoner101: You think this guy would have turned around if there was a "no guns allowed" sign? He was willing to kill people, he doesn't care about rules.

No, but the bartender would at least have had cause not to serve someone carrying.

To expand on this, I couldn't give two shiats about someone with a CCW in a restaurant. It's legally serving that person a mood altering drug while armed that's the issue.


If he's carrying concealed, how the hell does the bartender know he's carrying?
 
2013-01-01 03:58:25 AM  
I'm sorry you had to be in Sacramento for New Year's subby. Stay safe.
 
2013-01-01 03:59:40 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BadReligion: Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.

Illegally obtained...from whom?


The military?  http://www.examiner.com/article/the-insider-threat-from-gang-members- t he-u-s-military
 
2013-01-01 04:00:27 AM  

Molavian: Paco. That crazy mother sells anything.


I don't know what that means, but it mad me laugh.
 
2013-01-01 04:00:51 AM  
Quite frankly I'm shocked, SHOCKED...that the armpit of California has violence associated with it.

Personally I'm getting a kick out of everyone who thinks this is a surprise.
 
2013-01-01 04:01:10 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: mikaloyd: Real Women Drink Akvavit: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

I was gonna go for Bakersfield or Fresno as the armpit, then I realized they're more like the diseased crotch of California. So Stockton (or Modesto) it is!

Hey! I hope your midnight kiss has a diseased crotch!

Do you really wanna make me cry


nope. Not in this new year
 
2013-01-01 04:02:11 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: tinfoil-hat maggie:I think I'm in love , don't worry I'll worship from afar, but yea my uncle and dad taught me to shoot when I was 7, and well my ex she had ad a masters in archeology she had a real claymore, and longsword that I learned a bit on. Those were really fun : )

I think my proudest acquisition is an actual, genuine (as far as we know and were told) Zweihander. It's a sharp, so I can't play with it, and it's so very old so I'd not play with it anyway. I believe it is genuine, as it has some leather straps wrapped around the hilt and what appears to be  blood stains on them. Wow. Just wow. I didn't even know leather could last that long. What, five centuries or something? This is why my sis won't come into my lair if I'm not in here. She's creeped out by a lot of the stuff in here.  In all fairness, I'm creeped out by all her  Beatles memorabilia, stuffed animal frogs and bunnies (???) and Bob Marley stuff, so I guess we're even.

/she's still one of my BFFs, though


Damn, I have no idea right now what a Zweihander is but I'm gonna look that up. And damn I love objects that have history to them, that's cool.
 
2013-01-01 04:02:31 AM  

Gosling: relcec: I have a friend from stockton.
he'll deny up and down that it is the biggest piece of shiat west of the mississipi river.

Well, your friend is right. You know, ever since Galactus took that giant dump in Wichita.


someday he'll find out el paso/ciudad jaurez is west of the Mississippi, and then I'll have to concede it is the second least appealing city west of the Mississippi, and then the argument won't be nearly as much fun for me.

i4.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-01 04:02:35 AM  

mgshamster: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BadReligion: Most gun crimes in this country happen with illegally obtained guns.

Illegally obtained...from whom?

The military?  http://www.examiner.com/article/the-insider-threat-from-gang-members- t he-u-s-military


Ban the military? So hispanics, sports bars, fireworks, and military.
 
2013-01-01 04:02:45 AM  
A fireworks show would make great cover for a rampage.
 
2013-01-01 04:03:14 AM  

Fade2black: Quite frankly I'm shocked, SHOCKED...that the armpit of California has violence associated with it.

Personally I'm getting a kick out of everyone who thinks this is a surprise.


No one is surprised by this, armpit or otherwise.
That's kinda the problem.
 
2013-01-01 04:03:21 AM  

mikaloyd: Real Women Drink Akvavit: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

I was gonna go for Bakersfield or Fresno as the armpit, then I realized they're more like the diseased crotch of California. So Stockton (or Modesto) it is!

Hey! I hope your midnight kiss has a diseased crotch!


There are these amazing things called "antibiotics" that can deal with diseased crotch syndrome. Unfortunately, I don't think there are enough antibiotics on this earth to deal with Bakersfield and Fresno. Besides, I didn't kiss dude's crotch, though I'm sure he was contemplating the concept.

/OK, Bakersfield and Fresno are not that bad
//they're more like a stinky crotch rather than a diseased crotch
///dudes. take care of that shiat. and hand over your oil. please.
 
2013-01-01 04:05:12 AM  
Hmmm, another area with tight gun controls, respective to the rest of the US, is shot up. I'm starting to think we need tighter gun control
 
2013-01-01 04:06:14 AM  

cybrwzrd: Maybe it is time to make gun ownership illegal, and give the death penalty to those who refuse to give them up/continue to own them. That way the gun nuts can live out their masturbatory fantasy of going down in a fight with the government and the rest of us can be a little safer knowing that there are less guns on the street/available to be stolen for the purpose of mass murder. Sounds like a win/win situation to me, and everyone can be happy.


Bring it on. If they somehow manage to remove all of us 'gun nuts', what makes you think that something you like won't be next? I suppose pacifying all of you will be much simpler.
 
2013-01-01 04:06:15 AM  
Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.
 
2013-01-01 04:07:25 AM  

at80eighty: because a constitution could never be wrong


Feel free to amend it if it's wrong. It's been 27 times, with some things added then repealed.
 
2013-01-01 04:08:00 AM  
Or, you know. Any other night in New Orleans. : \
 
2013-01-01 04:08:25 AM  
 
2013-01-01 04:08:38 AM  
I was in sac town yesterday so I'm getting a kick.....
 
2013-01-01 04:09:46 AM  

kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.


Also, zombie apocalypse
 
2013-01-01 04:11:11 AM  

relcec: Notabunny: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

Sacramento is a good solid B-level city, but it loses some of its shine because of the neighbors; San Francisco, San Jose, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, etc. Stockton on the other hand...

I'll give it a c
being between san fransisco and tahoe is the most charming thing about it. when the most redeeming part of your city is the ability to get the f*ck out of it to somewhere nice you don't get a b.




Depending on how much of the surrounding area you want to classify with the Capitol, there are a lot of other good things. Lots of rivers to fish, or go rafting, or water ski. A good amount of lakes, too. Wine country just to the south and east (apple hill is fantastic). Gold country as well. Napa valley (and all their wineries) is an hour away to the northwest. I guess that still qualifies as "leaving cap city to visit other places," but I like to think of it more as a central hub.
 
2013-01-01 04:11:25 AM  

kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.


You could just say, "We need these things to shoot American soldiers."
 
2013-01-01 04:11:30 AM  

kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.


so zero regulation of guns or mass murder and genocide. how does Somalia fit into your Manichaean world?
 
2013-01-01 04:12:49 AM  
well, I guess we'll never know from whom illegal guns are obtained from.
 
2013-01-01 04:12:51 AM  

retarded: Now is not the time to have a discussion about gun control. Again.


Not when it involves a shooting in the state capital in a state with some of the most restrictive gun laws around. Been there, done that. What other gun control laws would you like to try? Chicago and DC showed the futility and ineffectiveness of shiatting all over the 2nd amendment and banning handguns.

If CA really likes gun control, it should realize that concepts like state sovereignty are what enable these (misguided, IMO) policies. NV doesn't force gambling, prostitution, 24 hour liquor sales, 'loose' gun laws, or other polices on CA; OR doesn't force zero sales tax, so perhaps CA could do us all favor and keep their gun control confined to their state borders.
 
2013-01-01 04:12:59 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.

You could just say, "We need these things to shoot American soldiers."


and police
 
2013-01-01 04:13:07 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: /OK, Bakersfield and Fresno are not that bad
//they're more like a stinky crotch rather than a diseased crotch
///dudes. take care of that shiat. and hand over your oil. please.


Just keep eating granola getting plastic implants to fill bikinis. "finding" yourselves and buying cheesy healing crystals from Arizona hucksters and being weird in packs. The rest of the State would hate to lose its national identity if you guys ever changed
 
2013-01-01 04:13:25 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Real Women Drink Akvavit: tinfoil-hat maggie:I think I'm in love , don't worry I'll worship from afar, but yea my uncle and dad taught me to shoot when I was 7, and well my ex she had ad a masters in archeology she had a real claymore, and longsword that I learned a bit on. Those were really fun : )

I think my proudest acquisition is an actual, genuine (as far as we know and were told) Zweihander. It's a sharp, so I can't play with it, and it's so very old so I'd not play with it anyway. I believe it is genuine, as it has some leather straps wrapped around the hilt and what appears to be  blood stains on them. Wow. Just wow. I didn't even know leather could last that long. What, five centuries or something? This is why my sis won't come into my lair if I'm not in here. She's creeped out by a lot of the stuff in here.  In all fairness, I'm creeped out by all her  Beatles memorabilia, stuffed animal frogs and bunnies (???) and Bob Marley stuff, so I guess we're even.

/she's still one of my BFFs, though

Damn, I have no idea right now what a Zweihander is but I'm gonna look that up. And damn I love objects that have history to them, that's cool.


It's a very, very large German sword. "Zweihander" basically means "two hands". They're that damn big, you need two hands to use them. I got it at a gun show, as they often have other types of weapons at  those as well.  A friend of mine saw it when he was looking at katanas, knew it was European and beat street straight for me. He knows I collect that kind of thing because of my heritage. That piece set me back $950, but hey! It's a farkin'  Zweihander!! I also found out later that was actually a hell of a deal as it is "museum quality" according to the weapons guy who does my appraisals for me. (Yes, the 'real' pieces are all insured as collector's items) It's also very impressive looking on my wall. When I figure out my new digcam (eventually) I'll have to get a pic of it to post.

/got some cool boot daggers the same day
//came home broke, but happy
 
2013-01-01 04:14:06 AM  

log_jammin: well, I guess we'll never know from whom illegal guns are obtained from.


The dude said it was from Paco. Can't you read?
 
2013-01-01 04:14:08 AM  

Frederick: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: [i.imgur.com image 391x585]

I dont think those demographics actually overlap that much.


Ummm... your point?
 
2013-01-01 04:14:29 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You could just say, "We need these things to shoot American soldiers."


We need these weapons to shoot American soldiers...IF it comes to that. Let's all hope it doesn't.
 
2013-01-01 04:16:53 AM  

mgshamster: relcec: Notabunny: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

Sacramento is a good solid B-level city, but it loses some of its shine because of the neighbors; San Francisco, San Jose, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, etc. Stockton on the other hand...

I'll give it a c
being between san fransisco and tahoe is the most charming thing about it. when the most redeeming part of your city is the ability to get the f*ck out of it to somewhere nice you don't get a b.

Depending on how much of the surrounding area you want to classify with the Capitol, there are a lot of other good things. Lots of rivers to fish, or go rafting, or water ski. A good amount of lakes, too. Wine country just to the south and east (apple hill is fantastic). Gold country as well. Napa valley (and all their wineries) is an hour away to the northwest. I guess that still qualifies as "leaving cap city to visit other places," but I like to think of it more as a central hub.


In Sacramento you have access to all those things -and- can afford to raise a family on a single income. Try that in San Francisco.
 
2013-01-01 04:18:29 AM  

pedrop357: retarded: Now is not the time to have a discussion about gun control. Again.

Not when it involves a shooting in the state capital in a state with some of the most restrictive gun laws around. Been there, done that. What other gun control laws would you like to try? Chicago and DC showed the futility and ineffectiveness of shiatting all over the 2nd amendment and banning handguns.

If CA really likes gun control, it should realize that concepts like state sovereignty are what enable these (misguided, IMO) policies. NV doesn't force gambling, prostitution, 24 hour liquor sales, 'loose' gun laws, or other polices on CA; OR doesn't force zero sales tax, so perhaps CA could do us all favor and keep their gun control confined to their state borders.


Maybe someone should amend the US constitution so it says something about interstate commerce. The 50 states aren't sovereign, btw. In the US sovereignty rests with the people. The states are delegated certain powers as is the federal government.
 
2013-01-01 04:18:47 AM  

Bucky Katt: The dude said it was from Paco. Can't you read?


We don't have Paco here. Only Pico.
 
2013-01-01 04:19:22 AM  

Bucky Katt: pedrop357: retarded: Now is not the time to have a discussion about gun control. Again.

Not when it involves a shooting in the state capital in a state with some of the most restrictive gun laws around. Been there, done that. What other gun control laws would you like to try? Chicago and DC showed the futility and ineffectiveness of shiatting all over the 2nd amendment and banning handguns.

If CA really likes gun control, it should realize that concepts like state sovereignty are what enable these (misguided, IMO) policies. NV doesn't force gambling, prostitution, 24 hour liquor sales, 'loose' gun laws, or other polices on CA; OR doesn't force zero sales tax, so perhaps CA could do us all favor and keep their gun control confined to their state borders.

Maybe someone should amend the US constitution so it says something about interstate commerce. The 50 states aren't sovereign, btw. In the US sovereignty rests with the people. The states are delegated certain powers as is the federal government.


Nice catch.
 
2013-01-01 04:23:45 AM  

pedrop357: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You could just say, "We need these things to shoot American soldiers."

We need these weapons to shoot American soldiers...IF it comes to that. Let's all hope it doesn't.


and Marines, airmen and sailors. police and school resource officers. ATF, FBI, Federal Marshalls, Secret Service and CIA.

except the armed guards hired by the NRA to protect us from lunatics.

/if soldiers have machine guns, tanks and attack helicopters shouldn't individual citizens have them too?
 
2013-01-01 04:24:09 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: tinfoil-hat maggie: Real Women Drink Akvavit: tinfoil-hat maggie:I think I'm in love , don't worry I'll worship from afar, but yea my uncle and dad taught me to shoot when I was 7, and well my ex she had ad a masters in archeology she had a real claymore, and longsword that I learned a bit on. Those were really fun : )

I think my proudest acquisition is an actual, genuine (as far as we know and were told) Zweihander. It's a sharp, so I can't play with it, and it's so very old so I'd not play with it anyway. I believe it is genuine, as it has some leather straps wrapped around the hilt and what appears to be  blood stains on them. Wow. Just wow. I didn't even know leather could last that long. What, five centuries or something? This is why my sis won't come into my lair if I'm not in here. She's creeped out by a lot of the stuff in here.  In all fairness, I'm creeped out by all her  Beatles memorabilia, stuffed animal frogs and bunnies (???) and Bob Marley stuff, so I guess we're even.

/she's still one of my BFFs, though

Damn, I have no idea right now what a Zweihander is but I'm gonna look that up. And damn I love objects that have history to them, that's cool.

It's a very, very large German sword. "Zweihander" basically means "two hands". They're that damn big, you need two hands to use them. I got it at a gun show, as they often have other types of weapons at  those as well.  A friend of mine saw it when he was looking at katanas, knew it was European and beat street straight for me. He knows I collect that kind of thing because of my heritage. That piece set me back $950, but hey! It's a farkin'  Zweihander!! I also found out later that was actually a hell of a deal as it is "museum quality" according to the weapons guy who does my appraisals for me. (Yes, the 'real' pieces are all insured as collector's items) It's also very impressive looking on my wall. When I figure out my new digcam (eventually) I'll have to get a pic of it to post.

/got some cool boot ...


Wow, CSS : )

My ex's stuff was newly made but it was quality stuff i mean I've held replica swords and you can tell the weight difference, I guess it's the metals involved.

It's very cool you're so into history, well you're history : )
 
2013-01-01 04:26:13 AM  
So did any of y'all know the victims?
 
2013-01-01 04:26:21 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.

You could just say, "We need these things to shoot American soldiers."

if it comes to it... yeah?

You do know that the "my country right-or-wrong" German from those old war movies was intended to be a somewhat sympathetic villain right? "american" is not in unquestionable stamp of good moral standing. and "soldier" sure as fark isn't.


/some sort of licensing scheme could severely curtail access to firearms mongst the truly loony but mostly maintain huge levels of proliferation leaving us bot reasonably unhappy.
 
2013-01-01 04:28:55 AM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-01 04:29:00 AM  

mgshamster: relcec: Notabunny: mgshamster: cuzsis: Sacramento...armpit of California.

/what the locals told me anyway.
//wasn't very impressed with the place myself.

Armpit? Naw. There are much better places in California for that title. Like Stockton. Sacramento Is probably more like the navel.

Sacramento is a good solid B-level city, but it loses some of its shine because of the neighbors; San Francisco, San Jose, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite, etc. Stockton on the other hand...

I'll give it a c
being between san fransisco and tahoe is the most charming thing about it. when the most redeeming part of your city is the ability to get the f*ck out of it to somewhere nice you don't get a b.

Depending on how much of the surrounding area you want to classify with the Capitol, there are a lot of other good things. Lots of rivers to fish, or go rafting, or water ski. A good amount of lakes, too. Wine country just to the south and east (apple hill is fantastic). Gold country as well. Napa valley (and all their wineries) is an hour away to the northwest. I guess that still qualifies as "leaving cap city to visit other places," but I like to think of it more as a central hub.


I know whats around sacramento. folsom lake is ugly. sacramento river is boring. the best weather you get is when it rains every day for 3 months. that old sacramento is ridiculous.
you don't get to say oakland is a great city because san fransisco is a subway ride away. doesn't work that way. napa valley is a nice place. tahoe is lovely. san fransisco is great. davis is even cool. Stockton and Sacramento aren't magically made great cities to wake up in everyday by their proximity to them.
you know why the california supreme court isn't in sacramento? it got flooded out a long time ago and they temporarily moved to san fransisco and then refused to go back. we're gonna have to disagree. your surrounded by great places. just move. but you get the last word.
 
2013-01-01 04:30:05 AM  
Fista-Phobia Dick Clark is already dead dumbasses.

ixnay on Gerald Ford-tay
www.wusa9.com
/what a Sacramento firearms enthusiast may look like...
 
2013-01-01 04:30:56 AM  

mikaloyd: Real Women Drink Akvavit: /OK, Bakersfield and Fresno are not that bad
//they're more like a stinky crotch rather than a diseased crotch
///dudes. take care of that shiat. and hand over your oil. please.

Just keep eating granola getting plastic implants to fill bikinis. "finding" yourselves and buying cheesy healing crystals from Arizona hucksters and being weird in packs. The rest of the State would hate to lose its national identity if you guys ever changed


Granola? WTF is wrong with you? Don't you know how much fat there is in most granola? Sure, it makes a great exfoliant, but it's hell on the plumbing when you have to rinse it off and you'd certainly never want to eat it unless you're a Fatty McFatterson or want to be one.

/chubby, but still not eating granola
//why add fuel to the fire?
 
2013-01-01 04:31:52 AM  

BadReligion: Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.

I know my revolvers are all "ka-POW" while my rifles are all "Boom!" and my Sig Sauers go "Ka Chow" like the car in Cars. I don't own any Glocks, but "pop" sounds wrong, I think they go "kaboom!"


You are quite correct!
img384.imageshack.us

BronyMedic: [img.photobucket.com image 850x607]


Niiiiiice!
 
2013-01-01 04:32:47 AM  
it's kind of sad when the killing of two people and the injuring of 3 (taken to hospital) prompts one of you geniuses to say "this isn't a mass shooting".

it's a mass shooting, moron. too bad you're so inured to them that you don't realize the difference. it doesn't have to be 20 kids killed to qualify as "mass".

well, i hope 2012 got that out of its system. can we have less anger and violence and more peace and getting-along-ness in 2013? thanks, i'd really appreciate that.
 
2013-01-01 04:34:40 AM  

croesius: BadReligion: Pincy: "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Waiting for the gun experts to come in and argue over what a Glock really sounds like.

I know my revolvers are all "ka-POW" while my rifles are all "Boom!" and my Sig Sauers go "Ka Chow" like the car in Cars. I don't own any Glocks, but "pop" sounds wrong, I think they go "kaboom!"

You are quite correct!


BronyMedic: [img.photobucket.com image 850x607]

Niiiiiice!


Looks like a gen 1 and one that wasn't taken care of at that
 
2013-01-01 04:35:08 AM  
have not seen this one in a while:

i1091.photobucket.com
HA! HA' HAHAHA! HA!
 
2013-01-01 04:35:36 AM  

relcec: I know whats around sacramento. folsom lake is ugly. sacramento river is boring. the best weather you get is when it rains every day for 3 months. that old sacramento is ridiculous.
you don't get to say oakland is a great city because san fransisco is a subway ride away. doesn't work that way. napa valley is a nice place. tahoe is lovely. san fransisco is great. davis is even cool. Stockton and Sacramento aren't magically made great cities to wake up in everyday by their proximity to them.
you know why the california supreme court isn't in sacramento? it got flooded out a long time ago and they temporarily moved to san fransisco and then refused to go back. we're gonna have to disagree. your surrounded by great places. just move. but you get the last word.


I expected you to go straight into an angry Susquehanna Sacramento Hat Company skit halfway through that Anti-Sac rant and put your fist through a few hats.
 
2013-01-01 04:35:42 AM  

JSam21: Looks like a gen 1 and one that wasn't taken care of at that


It's a Glock 21. Also known as that gun fifty cent shoot at the bad gangstas in the rap videos.
 
2013-01-01 04:36:15 AM  

blueswoman: it's kind of sad when the killing of two people and the injuring of 3 (taken to hospital) prompts one of you geniuses to say "this isn't a mass shooting".


I dunno. Typically "mass shooting" carries a connotation of "premeditated rampage" these days. This sounds like the opposite of premeditated.
 
2013-01-01 04:37:23 AM  

mikaloyd: So did any of y'all know the victims?


i'm still trying to figure out who subby is. otherwise i don't know anybody in the area.
what a tragedy.
 
2013-01-01 04:37:36 AM  

blueswoman: it's kind of sad when the killing of two people and the injuring of 3 (taken to hospital) prompts one of you geniuses to say "this isn't a mass shooting".

it's a mass shooting, moron. too bad you're so inured to them that you don't realize the difference. it doesn't have to be 20 kids killed to qualify as "mass".

well, i hope 2012 got that out of its system. can we have less anger and violence and more peace and getting-along-ness in 2013? thanks, i'd really appreciate that.


Technically this would be a mass shooting since 4 or more were shot. If we are going by the media standard then no this wasn't a mass shooting since 4 or more weren't killed.
 
2013-01-01 04:39:44 AM  

BronyMedic: JSam21: Looks like a gen 1 and one that wasn't taken care of at that

It's a Glock 21. Also known as that gun fifty cent shoot at the bad gangstas in the rap videos.


I see that its a 21... but there are 4 different generations of glocks. That one has no accessory rail and no finger grooves on this grip... which makes it a gen1 or gen2
 
2013-01-01 04:39:48 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: blueswoman: it's kind of sad when the killing of two people and the injuring of 3 (taken to hospital) prompts one of you geniuses to say "this isn't a mass shooting".

I dunno. Typically "mass shooting" carries a connotation of "premeditated rampage" these days. This sounds like the opposite of premeditated.


i guess we're bored, here, then. discussing semantics when innocent NYE revelers are dead.

i think mass shooting includes shooting up a place. sometimes that's planned and sometimes it isn't, in a manner we'd recognize. but that wasn't the question. premeditation is a completely different subject.

altho i would posit that somebody stuffed a gun in their belt and went out and got drunk. that sounds premeditated right there ....
 
2013-01-01 04:40:25 AM  
relcec: I have a friend from stockton.
he'll deny up and down that it is the biggest piece of shiat west of the mississipi river.

After Brenda Ann Spencer, Stockton practically INVENTED crazed gunman shooting kids @ school-& gave us Pavement
Link
 
2013-01-01 04:40:27 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Granola? WTF is wrong with you? Don't you know how much fat there is in most granola? Sure, it makes a great exfoliant, but it's hell on the plumbing when you have to rinse it off and you'd certainly never want to eat it unless you're a Fatty McFatterson or want to be one.

/chubby, but still not eating granola
//why add fuel to the fire?


//"Accidentally" drops a box of organic granola by RWDA just to see if it gets picked up.
///Resistance is futile to ex granola junkies.
 
2013-01-01 04:41:50 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: tinfoil-hat maggie: Real Women Drink Akvavit: tinfoil-hat maggie:I think I'm in love , don't worry I'll worship from afar, but yea my uncle and dad taught me to shoot when I was 7, and well my ex she had ad a masters in archeology she had a real claymore, and longsword that I learned a bit on. Those were really fun : )

I think my proudest acquisition is an actual, genuine (as far as we know and were told) Zweihander. It's a sharp, so I can't play with it, and it's so very old so I'd not play with it anyway. I believe it is genuine, as it has some leather straps wrapped around the hilt and what appears to be  blood stains on them. Wow. Just wow. I didn't even know leather could last that long. What, five centuries or something? This is why my sis won't come into my lair if I'm not in here. She's creeped out by a lot of the stuff in here.  In all fairness, I'm creeped out by all her  Beatles memorabilia, stuffed animal frogs and bunnies (???) and Bob Marley stuff, so I guess we're even.

/she's still one of my BFFs, though

Damn, I have no idea right now what a Zweihander is but I'm gonna look that up. And damn I love objects that have history to them, that's cool.

It's a very, very large German sword. "Zweihander" basically means "two hands". They're that damn big, you need two hands to use them. I got it at a gun show, as they often have other types of weapons at  those as well.  A friend of mine saw it when he was looking at katanas, knew it was European and beat street straight for me. He knows I collect that kind of thing because of my heritage. That piece set me back $950, but hey! It's a farkin'  Zweihander!! I also found out later that was actually a hell of a deal as it is "museum quality" according to the weapons guy who does my appraisals for me. (Yes, the 'real' pieces are all insured as collector's items) It's also very impressive looking on my wall. When I figure out my new digcam (eventually) I'll have to get a pic of it to post.

/got some cool boot daggers the same day
//came home broke, but happy


Lived in Germany off and on for 8 years growing up and got to check out many a cool things in that time. Once I visited a crypt for an old Bavarian noble family and they had a couple of racks of real swords from back in the day. Myself now being 5'11" and weighing a healthy 210lbs in pretty good shape I can honestly say I'm not sure I could wield most of the swords I saw there. Men back then were beasts!

As for the shooting, just another criminal doing criminal things, don't see why I should be punished for the actions of those that break our laws. Honestly any new laws probably wouldn't effect me due to my current career choice but its the principle of it all that irks me.
 
2013-01-01 04:42:04 AM  

JSam21: I see that its a 21... but there are 4 different generations of glocks. That one has no accessory rail and no finger grooves on this grip... which makes it a gen1 or gen2


So no way to mount the Homeboy system?
 
2013-01-01 04:43:12 AM  

JSam21: blueswoman: it's kind of sad when the killing of two people and the injuring of 3 (taken to hospital) prompts one of you geniuses to say "this isn't a mass shooting".

it's a mass shooting, moron. too bad you're so inured to them that you don't realize the difference. it doesn't have to be 20 kids killed to qualify as "mass".

well, i hope 2012 got that out of its system. can we have less anger and violence and more peace and getting-along-ness in 2013? thanks, i'd really appreciate that.

Technically this would be a mass shooting since 4 or more were shot. If we are going by the media standard then no this wasn't a mass shooting since 4 or more weren't killed.


let's not go by the "media standard" then, as with the specious 24-hour news cycle, these people are paid to engender fear and panic. kind of like a used car salesman overhyping pedestrian/car deaths. you must buy a car, PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY'RE JUST WALKING AROUND!!
 
2013-01-01 04:44:09 AM  

BronyMedic: JSam21: I see that its a 21... but there are 4 different generations of glocks. That one has no accessory rail and no finger grooves on this grip... which makes it a gen1 or gen2

So no way to mount the Homeboy system?


Not that I see on the pictured weapon. I have a gen3 Model 17 that I wish I was allowed to put a light on for work... as I work all night shifts
 
2013-01-01 04:45:19 AM  

JSam21: Not that I see on the pictured weapon. I have a gen3 Model 17 that I wish I was allowed to put a light on for work... as I work all night shifts


Awww, you're not going to get street cred shooting like that, homey.

media.desura.com
 
2013-01-01 04:45:20 AM  

blueswoman: JSam21: blueswoman: it's kind of sad when the killing of two people and the injuring of 3 (taken to hospital) prompts one of you geniuses to say "this isn't a mass shooting".

it's a mass shooting, moron. too bad you're so inured to them that you don't realize the difference. it doesn't have to be 20 kids killed to qualify as "mass".

well, i hope 2012 got that out of its system. can we have less anger and violence and more peace and getting-along-ness in 2013? thanks, i'd really appreciate that.

Technically this would be a mass shooting since 4 or more were shot. If we are going by the media standard then no this wasn't a mass shooting since 4 or more weren't killed.

let's not go by the "media standard" then, as with the specious 24-hour news cycle, these people are paid to engender fear and panic. kind of like a used car salesman overhyping pedestrian/car deaths. you must buy a car, PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY'RE JUST WALKING AROUND!!


Agreed
 
2013-01-01 04:46:01 AM  
Subby, please let us know you're safe.
 
2013-01-01 04:46:26 AM  

BronyMedic: JSam21: Not that I see on the pictured weapon. I have a gen3 Model 17 that I wish I was allowed to put a light on for work... as I work all night shifts

Awww, you're not going to get street cred shooting like that, homey.


Haha... don't need street cred. I have handcuffs
 
2013-01-01 04:47:42 AM  

blueswoman: you must buy a car, PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY'RE JUST WALKING AROUND!!


I wonder how many pedestrians got killed by amateur drunks driving tonight?
 
2013-01-01 04:49:29 AM  
Note: this occured in a state with strict gun control and an assault weapons ban
 
2013-01-01 04:49:37 AM  

mikaloyd: So did any of y'all know the victims?


As far as I know, they've not yet released the names of the victims. There were thousands of people down there though. There are every year for NYE. The chances I knew one of them are slim, to say the least. Honestly, I would have felt fairly safe there. It's Discovery Park that I would avoid during the boozy holidays, not Old Sac. I'd rampage Candy Heaven for the free samples, then hit Fanny Ann's for a burger and beer. It's just "the thing" to do, cuz it's fun. There's usually a fairly strong, though subtle, police presence on the K Street mall and in Old Sac with the mounted police and the bike cops, with the paddy wagon cruising around nearby. I would have felt totally safe and probably been very freaked out if I'd been there when that happened.

tinfoil-hat maggie: Wow, CSS : )

My ex's stuff was newly made but it was quality stuff i mean I've held replica swords and you can tell the weight difference, I guess it's the metals involved.

It's very cool you're so into history, well you're history : )


It took me a while to get into our history. My psycho uncle beat the crap out of me when I was six years old for "not embracing my Nordic heritage". He was mad I didn't speak Norwegian (I still don't, just a few words and phrases) My sis and I were dumped in Norway every summer as we were growing up, so we could stay with family for our vacation. I kicked and screamed, bit and scratched every time I had to go to psycho uncle's house. My Gran finally quit making me go and I'd just hang out at her place or another relative's house. I had a strong aversion to any of the original Germanic tribes, Scandinavian or otherwise, for a very long time because of that. Now that I'm in my 40's, I've embraced it more. Still hate the psycho uncle, told him if he ever came to Cali he's probably the only person I actually could shoot, but other Scandinavians do not deserve my scorn. So now if it's a weapon or shield or religious artifact from one of the original Germanic tribes - German, Scandinavian, Frisian, etc - I want it. *shrug*

/still consider myself a Cali chick, though
//I was an anchor baby! Yay?
 
2013-01-01 04:50:32 AM  

SubBass49: mgshamster: Holy shiat. The only reason my wife and I weren't there tonight is because we cancelled our party plans on account that she is pregnant.

/just found out two weeks ago
//our first

Congrats man!!! You're in for one hell of a year!!! (sleep now while you still can - advice from a father of 2)


Grats, and another piece of advice: They are babies for such a short time, really, really short (though it doesn't seem so at the time). Enjoy every moment, document every moment, get vids of the baby cooing and giggling and crying so you can hear those sounds when what you're mostly hearing from your kid is slammed doors and "You never let me do what I want!" Treasure the baby time, despite the diapers and the smell and the vomit. It's over so quickly and you cannot get it back.

/mother of a beloved 29-year-old
 
2013-01-01 04:53:59 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Frederick: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: [i.imgur.com image 391x585]

I dont think those demographics actually overlap that much.

Ummm... your point?


My point is; the point of your picture is kinda worthless because it doesnt represent a significant portion of the population making it a strawman argument.

\based on my experience pot smokers are not significantly pro gun control.
 
2013-01-01 04:54:28 AM  
So where do you live then, relcek?

/Wouldn't be surprised if the shooter's from stockton...

When I was in college all the bangers from the small towns around my school would gather on the holidays n create mayhem.
 
2013-01-01 04:57:08 AM  

Bucky Katt: kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.

so zero regulation of guns or mass murder and genocide. how does Somalia fit into your Manichaean world?


Somalia fits into my world less snugly than nazi germany, the soviet union and 20th century china fit into yours :) but better that world of chaos that can be reconstituted with less effort than overthrowing an all powerful government with no arms.
 
2013-01-01 04:58:07 AM  

Bucky Katt: Maybe someone should amend the US constitution so it says something about interstate commerce. The 50 states aren't sovereign, btw. In the US sovereignty rests with the people. The states are delegated certain powers as is the federal government.


So in the spirit of one good turn deserving another, I take it CA and other states would understand if US Congressman use that same method to force all states to accept each others concealed weapon permits, dissolved BS state 'assault weapons' bans, and the like, right?
 
2013-01-01 05:00:18 AM  

Obscene_CNN: Note: this occured in a state with strict gun control and an assault weapons ban


as well as a may issue concealed weapon permit system, one gun a month limit, 10 day waiting period for every gun purchased, ban on 'unsafe' handugns, ban on private sales of firearms, etc.

I suppose they just haven't done enough.
 
2013-01-01 05:00:57 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.

You could just say, "We need these things to shoot American soldiers."


If it comes to that, absolutely. If the government and the military no longer represented the constitution, what other recourse would we have? That should go without saying. As fast as I see, you make a pledge to defend the constitution, and the people. If your leaders break that vow, and you follow them, you are guilty and should be eliminated. nuremberg defense; you put that uniform on, you berret know what it means.
 
2013-01-01 05:02:05 AM  
Guns = 2nd amendment
bullets = free speech

What you are feeling, subby, is American freedom.
 
2013-01-01 05:04:06 AM  

Bucky Katt: and Marines, airmen and sailors. police and school resource officers. ATF, FBI, Federal Marshalls, Secret Service and CIA.

except the armed guards hired by the NRA to protect us from lunatics.

/if soldiers have machine guns, tanks and attack helicopters shouldn't individual citizens have them too?


Them too. Though school police officers would probably be left alone provided they don't start pulling 'undesireable' kids from class to be put in camps or a modern nazi camp equivalent. Same thing with everyone else. It's not an omnicidal thing, it's a stopping government massacre thing.

Wee can have tanks right now, as for whether we should have the others-Yes on machine guns, and Yes on 'attack' (read:armed) helicopters.
 
2013-01-01 05:05:20 AM  

mikaloyd: blueswoman: you must buy a car, PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY'RE JUST WALKING AROUND!!

I wonder how many pedestrians got killed by amateur drunks driving tonight?


it's a good question. i now totally sound like an old woman, but i've even been discouraging folks from driving tonight. DUIs kill other drivers, too.
 
2013-01-01 05:07:17 AM  
wow. i can no longer tell how many of you are drunk, or really think that way.

*enlarges apocalypse cave*
*dives for cover*
 
2013-01-01 05:07:27 AM  

pedrop357: Obscene_CNN: Note: this occured in a state with strict gun control and an assault weapons ban

as well as a may issue concealed weapon permit system, one gun a month limit, 10 day waiting period for every gun purchased, ban on 'unsafe' handugns, ban on private sales of firearms, etc.

I suppose they just haven't done enough.


What would be an "unsafe" firearm?
 
2013-01-01 05:07:38 AM  

relcec: someday he'll find out el paso/ciudad jaurez is west of the Mississippi, and then I'll have to concede it is the second least appealing city west of the Mississippi, and then the argument won't be nearly as much fun for me.


Well El Paso is one thing, Jaurez is another. Friend of mine commented, when I drive to visit family in Mexico, I get gas 100 miles from the border and then don't stop until I'm a 100 miles on the other side if it. They used to come of through Jaurez, but stopped fifteen years ago.

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I was gonna go for Bakersfield or Fresno as the armpit, then I realized they're more like the diseased crotch of California. So Stockton (or Modesto) it is!


I think Barstow is the taint of California. It's between LA and Las Vegas.
 
2013-01-01 05:07:47 AM  

log_jammin: well, I guess we'll never know from whom illegal guns are obtained from.


Mara Salvatrucha,  aka MS13. The OGs were El Salvadorean child soldiers in Reagan's not so secret wars that were given amnesty in the US. We've got a lot of them in Cali, especially in SoCal, but they're all over the US now. You can get an old Soviet era RPG launcher from those bastids in SoCal. You just need to know which corner they hang out near and hope they don't murderlate ya.

/they're the guys with the facial tats
//and they're super scary
///I don't need anything that bad
*hides*
 
2013-01-01 05:08:08 AM  

hinten: Guns = 2nd amendment
bullets = free speech

What you are feeling, subby, is American freedom.


starsmedia.ign.com

FREEDOM TASTES LIKE.....BURNING.....
 
2013-01-01 05:08:20 AM  

DeaH: Subby, please let us know you're safe.


I'm sorry to tell you this but... He's in Sacramento.

/what? Someone had to say it.
 
2013-01-01 05:08:32 AM  

hinten: Guns = 2nd amendment
bullets = free speech

What you are feeling, subby, is American freedom.


With all the intendant limits.

Illegal to yell fire in theater=illegal to discharge firearm in public place
Illegal to utter threatening words=Illegal to brandish firearm or use it in threatening manner

Yelling fire in theater without fire in order to cause panic=shooting in city limits except self defense, firing range, etc.
Neither are protected acts.

That was simple.
 
2013-01-01 05:09:17 AM  

Tickle Mittens: Fark It: Tickle Mittens: TheGhostofFarkPast: Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.

It's cause subtard is a milk siping pantywaist. If he was a real American he would have gone armed with his Baretta 93R with extended magazine an incendiary ammunition, and run towards the gunfire eger to stop a bad man with a gun.

There aren't any transferable 93Rs (aside from maybe some SOT dealer samples) in the U.S., only a couple of parts kits assembled on Taurus receivers, and they cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not something you'd carry concealed.

Terrible, just terrible. It's getting so you can't even take a movie like Face/Off seriously.


Actually, it was Broken Arrow where Travolta had a 93R.
 
2013-01-01 05:10:18 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.

You could just say, "We need these things to shoot American soldiers."


Btw I love your handle!
 
2013-01-01 05:12:33 AM  

JSam21: What would be an "unsafe" firearm?


They label handguns unsafe if they don't have loaded chamber indicators, magazine disconnects that prevent firing if the magazine is removed, drop tests which all modern handguns pass anyway, etc.

They also require renewal of the certification. A 2011 handgun that is A-OK will be deemed 'unsafe' in 2012 if the manufacturer doesn't renew certification. There's also some hard to navigate regulations that I'm about 80% sure prevent a dealer from selling a handgun that is deemed unsafe, even if it comes in used. I gave up reading the regs after about an hour, but there's something in the law about dealers and previously owned and/or no longer certified handguns.
 
2013-01-01 05:13:11 AM  
Subby: Unless your name is Frank Castle and you're the one doing the shooting, keep your head down and get the fark out of there. If it is, end a couple of those gangster dregs for me, sir.
 
2013-01-01 05:16:10 AM  

pedrop357: JSam21: What would be an "unsafe" firearm?

They label handguns unsafe if they don't have loaded chamber indicators, magazine disconnects that prevent firing if the magazine is removed, drop tests which all modern handguns pass anyway, etc.

They also require renewal of the certification. A 2011 handgun that is A-OK will be deemed 'unsafe' in 2012 if the manufacturer doesn't renew certification. There's also some hard to navigate regulations that I'm about 80% sure prevent a dealer from selling a handgun that is deemed unsafe, even if it comes in used. I gave up reading the regs after about an hour, but there's something in the law about dealers and previously owned and/or no longer certified handguns.


So would that make revolvers unsafe since I've never seen one with a loaded chamber indicator? I know the one on my hip for work doesn't.

/switching to my g17 on the 21st
 
2013-01-01 05:17:05 AM  
All you lowlife jackasses that keep purposely misspelling "AMERICA" can die in a fire. Slowly.

/American Vet
//Not what I fought for
 
2013-01-01 05:17:39 AM  

pedrop357: at80eighty: because a constitution could never be wrong

Feel free to amend it if it's wrong. It's been 27 times, with some things added then repealed.


right, atleast you're slowly learning to crawl towards the light
 
2013-01-01 05:17:52 AM  

JSam21: So would that make revolvers unsafe since I've never seen one with a loaded chamber indicator? I know the one on my hip for work doesn't.

/switching to my g17 on the 21st



I don't know if they did something else for revolvers, but chances are they apply some 'test' to them because they're not about to miss out on a yearly revenue stream.
 
2013-01-01 05:27:08 AM  

at80eighty: right, atleast you're slowly learning to crawl towards the light


Not quite. I'm not in favor of amending the COTUS to eliminate the 2nd or water it down anymore.

BUT, if people think it's outdated, inapplicable, whatever, they should at least try to go about fixing that the right way.
 
2013-01-01 05:27:13 AM  

mikaloyd: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Granola? WTF is wrong with you? Don't you know how much fat there is in most granola? Sure, it makes a great exfoliant, but it's hell on the plumbing when you have to rinse it off and you'd certainly never want to eat it unless you're a Fatty McFatterson or want to be one.

/chubby, but still not eating granola
//why add fuel to the fire?

//"Accidentally" drops a box of organic granola by RWDA just to see if it gets picked up.
///Resistance is futile to ex granola junkies.


Are there chocolate chips in it? Dark chocolate is good for you! (the chubby chick tells herself)
*carefully picks up granola, wipes off any cat hair*

dropdfun: Lived in Germany off and on for 8 years growing up and got to check out many a cool things in that time. Once I visited a crypt for an old Bavarian noble family and they had a couple of racks of real swords from back in the day. Myself now being 5'11" and weighing a healthy 210lbs in pretty good shape I can honestly say I'm not sure I could wield most of the swords I saw there. Men back then were beasts!

As for the shooting, just another criminal doing criminal things, don't see why I should be punished for the actions of those that break our laws. Honestly any new laws probably wouldn't effect me due to my current career choice but its the principle of it all that irks me.


I couldn't wield that Zweihander, either. No way. I've got scrawny girlie arms. I have a few swords and an axe I could never use in a million years. I am pretty good with my  blunt long axe though, cuz I'm shifty that way. (Duck down, hook it behind their knees and pull.  They'll tumble right over, and then you can slaughter 'em. When playing with your SCA geek friends only. Cuz I don't do actual slaughter.)

The thing that bothers me the most is what I consider a very misguided abhorrence to safety training and testing as a requirement to buy a firearm. Sure, most of us who own firearms learned to shoot at an early age. Still, when I became an adult and bought my own first handguns, first thing I did was take classes so I could use them safely. I was uncomfortable buying ammo until I took that class. You can do more than put someone's eye out with any  firearm, so I think classes are common sense.

Instead of bans, I think we need more strict licensing requirements for all firearms, including hunting rifles. If you do not take the class or do not pass the test, then no gun for you. I've seen people up at the range who claim to have been shooting "their entire life" that are such idiots, I've ratted 'em out to the range master and had them thrown out. Classes and testing, not to mention strict licensing so that if you're an idiot you'll have to bring a teaspoon to a gun fight (which hopefully won't happen) will definitely cut down on the "accidental" shootings (read: irresponsible gun owner caused it) we have every year.

I swear on my beloved Nordic deities, the idiots and assholes make the rest of us gun owners look bad, and most of us are not bad at all. it sucks we all have to suffer for another person's stupid, but that's where we're headed eventually, just because people are indeed stupid. Classes, tests and personal accountability, biatches. (Can you tell I was getting riled up? LOL!)

/I'm stupid behind the wheel of a car, so I don't drive, because I'm not that much of a biatch
//how hard is that?
 
2013-01-01 05:31:44 AM  

log_jammin: Bucky Katt: The dude said it was from Paco. Can't you read?

We don't have Paco here. Only Pico.


Hello Pico? You washing your ass? Honey?
 
2013-01-01 05:32:39 AM  
swampie.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-01 05:38:18 AM  
If only someone else had a gun, this would have never happened, or a lot more people would have died.
Probably the latter.
 
2013-01-01 05:40:57 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: mikaloyd: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Granola? WTF is wrong with you? Don't you know how much fat there is in most granola? Sure, it makes a great exfoliant, but it's hell on the plumbing when you have to rinse it off and you'd certainly never want to eat it unless you're a Fatty McFatterson or want to be one.

/chubby, but still not eating granola
//why add fuel to the fire?

//"Accidentally" drops a box of organic granola by RWDA just to see if it gets picked up.
///Resistance is futile to ex granola junkies.

Are there chocolate chips in it? Dark chocolate is good for you! (the chubby chick tells herself)
*carefully picks up granola, wipes off any cat hair*

dropdfun: Lived in Germany off and on for 8 years growing up and got to check out many a cool things in that time. Once I visited a crypt for an old Bavarian noble family and they had a couple of racks of real swords from back in the day. Myself now being 5'11" and weighing a healthy 210lbs in pretty good shape I can honestly say I'm not sure I could wield most of the swords I saw there. Men back then were beasts!

As for the shooting, just another criminal doing criminal things, don't see why I should be punished for the actions of those that break our laws. Honestly any new laws probably wouldn't effect me due to my current career choice but its the principle of it all that irks me.

I couldn't wield that Zweihander, either. No way. I've got scrawny girlie arms. I have a few swords and an axe I could never use in a million years. I am pretty good with my  blunt long axe though, cuz I'm shifty that way. (Duck down, hook it behind their knees and pull.  They'll tumble right over, and then you can slaughter 'em. When playing with your SCA geek friends only. Cuz I don't do actual slaughter.)

The thing that bothers me the most is what I consider a very misguided abhorrence to safety training and testing as a requirement to buy a firearm. Sure, most of us who own firearms learned to shoot at an early age. Still, when I became an adult and bought my own first handguns, first thing I did was take classes so I could use them safely. I was uncomfortable buying ammo until I took that class. You can do more than put someone's eye out with any  firearm, so I think classes are common sense.

Instead of bans, I think we need more strict licensing requirements for all firearms, including hunting rifles. If you do not take the class or do not pass the test, then no gun for you. I've seen people up at the range who claim to have been shooting "their entire life" that are such idiots, I've ratted 'em out to the range master and had them thrown out. Classes and testing, not to mention strict licensing so that if you're an idiot you'll have to bring a teaspoon to a gun fight (which hopefully won't happen) will definitely cut down on the "accidental" shootings (read: irresponsible gun owner caused it) we have every year.

I swear on my beloved Nordic deities, the idiots and assholes make the rest of us gun owners look bad, and most of us are not bad at all. it sucks we all have to suffer for another person's stupid, but that's where we're headed eventually, just because people are indeed stupid. Classes, tests and personal accountability, biatches. (Can you tell I was getting riled up? LOL!)

/I'm stupid behind the wheel of a car, so I don't drive, because I'm not that much of a biatch
//how hard is that?


The people that have shot all their lives are lazy and lack discipline. I use proper mechanics when training at all times, including blue gun (plastic gun) drills. If you don't practice use of the Universal Cover Mode, i.e. indexing your trigger finger, treat every firearm as it is loaded, even the fake training weapons, and shoot or train at least once a month... then don't carry or handle a firearm please.
 
2013-01-01 05:46:32 AM  
Oh joy. Another Goddamned, motherf**king gun thread.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-01 05:49:06 AM  

rosekolodny: Hello Pico? You washing your ass? Honey?


come to Florida....we miss you.
 
2013-01-01 05:50:29 AM  

BadReligion: Gosling: BadReligion: My point is some people don't follow rules, so extra rules that only hinder law abiding citizens and don't actually affect the criminal are stupid and redundant.

That's the most chickenshiat goddamned thing I've ever heard.

Why, just because you don't agree with it?


No, the lame idea that "Some people don't follow rules so there's no point in having rules that they won't obey anyway." If you follow that line of thought to its ultimate and ridiculous end, there is no point in having ANY laws, because none of them prevent any negative behavior. Criminals don't care about the law against murder, so why do we have it? And before you trot out the sorry-ass "O but the law against murder prevents SOME criminals from committing murder!"...well, that's exactly the point. Laws do prevent some people from committing some crimes. Some people wouldn't obey laws if they were surrounded by a platoon of armed Marines with orders to execute them the moment they broke one.

In any case, a law is just words. Laws by themselves neither prevent nor cause actions. Laws merely enable the authorities to interdict certain actions before they take place, or to enforce penalties for certain actions after they take place. We call these actions by authorities "enforcement." In the case of gun laws, enforcement is peculiarly lax, because everyone seems to want "someone else" to handle the enforcement. Gun sellers seem to think their only duty is to sell guns and pay lip service to whatever paperwork the government uses to interfere with their right to make money. Gun manufacturers seem to think their only duty is to make a product that won't harm the user but that they are not liable for any use of--unlike the manufacturer of any other product in the stream of commerce today. Gun purchasers seem to think that their only duty is to find a way to use THEIR gun responsibly and everyone else is on their own; again, unlike the purchaser of any other product on the market today. Police argue that their job is to catch criminals and finding loose guns is the ATFs job, while the ATF claims they can't find guns without the help of local cops.

Why people seem to imagine that somehow "gun laws" are uniquely self-executing is beyond me; like any law, they are only words that must be both obeyed by citizens and enforced by authorities, and yet some people seem to think if only there were MOAR LAWZ they'd magically straitjacket all the hardware out there. Meanwhile, other people seem to think that "Meh, nobody pays attention to gun laws anyway, so why make more of them?" although they'll bristle with self-righteousness if you point out that the same can be said of homicide laws or robbery laws. ("I wasn't talking about that!!") It's almost as if NOBODY really wants to face the issue of guns head on and admit its a complex and tangled issue and will take a lot of solving and would rather just towel briskly and move on to the next problem.
 
2013-01-01 05:51:54 AM  
JSam21:The people that have shot all their lives are lazy and lack discipline. I use proper mechanics when training at all times, including blue gun (plastic gun) drills. If you don't practice use of the Universal Cover Mode, i.e. indexing your trigger finger, treat every firearm as it is loaded, even the fake training weapons, and shoot or train at least once a month... then don't carry or handle a firearm please.

It shocked me when I realized how many people who own firearms don't know what "indexing your trigger finger" even means. Holy crapola! Are they serious? The last thing I would want to do is "accidentally" shoot someone, so I always index. It would devastate me to harm another human without a very good cause, and I'm still not sure I could do that. I'd probably try and get away as fast as I could. I'm also of the opinion there is no such thing as an accidental shooting, just a very stupid one. That just shouldn't be.

I'm stupid about a lot of things. We can't all know everything. However, I am not stupid with my firearms or any other weapon I own. The biggest problem is that the stupid people don't know they're stupid or they deny they are stupid, even when it is pointed out to them. That is highly disturbing.
 
2013-01-01 05:54:31 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I swear on my beloved Nordic deities, the idiots and assholes make the rest of us gun owners look bad


No, the media is mostly what makes us look bad.
It serves up a bad influence in movies, games, and music. It gives a one sided story about the lack of virtues among gun owners, and then it highlights every abuse as a gun problem when the gun came last in a very long list of troubles. Lastly it argues long and hard against the right to self defense or gun ownership while cherry picking statistics and getting just about all of the details wrong.

From the summary of current events it sounds like we have a thug who attempted to fulfill his drug gang duties in the wrong time and place. The target was probably not chosen at random. He used a weapon illegally (most likely an illegal weapon if not illegally owned to boot) in an area that already has gun control. Because he doesn't fit the profile any of the talking heads want, I predict this story falls off the front page.
That's the media end of things.

For the ownership end: The people who can't jump through the hoops to gun ownership simply steal weapons from those that did, assuming they didn't buy an import or straw purchased weapon. They aren't part of the 2a advocacy group and don't sit for all the training standards. Another form to fill out doesn't affect them. They only want one gun and maybe a dozen bullets.
People like Feinstein think they'll change their evil ways if limited to revolvers... I beg to differ.
 
2013-01-01 05:55:48 AM  
Coming in late. Subby's okay, right? Got home safely after making the thread?

/Stay safe, subby!
//and everyone else there stay safe too
 
2013-01-01 05:58:01 AM  

Clutch2013: Tickle Mittens: Fark It: Tickle Mittens: TheGhostofFarkPast: Wow we can't even go one farking day with out someone unloading a gun into a crowd. Good job America.

It's cause subtard is a milk siping pantywaist. If he was a real American he would have gone armed with his Baretta 93R with extended magazine an incendiary ammunition, and run towards the gunfire eger to stop a bad man with a gun.

There aren't any transferable 93Rs (aside from maybe some SOT dealer samples) in the U.S., only a couple of parts kits assembled on Taurus receivers, and they cost tens of thousands of dollars. Not something you'd carry concealed.

Terrible, just terrible. It's getting so you can't even take a movie like Face/Off seriously.

Actually, it was Broken Arrow where Travolta had a 93R.


Oh, so now we're going to bring "facts" into this?!
 
2013-01-01 06:00:44 AM  
ts1.mm.bing.net

Yeah, I played this game. It was fun. There was a mission where you have to bump someone off during the 4th of July, because the fireworks would cover up the sound of the gunshots. Simple yet clever.
 
2013-01-01 06:09:52 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Jesus Christ.  We can't go a f*cking month without some motherf*cker going on a murder spree in a public place.  How the fark did we keep it together long enough to survive World War II?  And the Cold War?


It's really escalted since Sandy Hook. People want to, er, go out with a bang.
 
2013-01-01 06:13:49 AM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS91knuzoOA


Nothing is fundamentally wrong with our culture. Gun control, will fill the void.

And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.

Happy New Year.
 
2013-01-01 06:14:27 AM  

mgshamster: Holy shiat. The only reason my wife and I weren't there tonight is because we cancelled our party plans on account that she is pregnant.

/just found out two weeks ago
//our first


Being in the early stages of pregnancy prevents you from going to public events?

Just giving you a hard time. Congrats. I just recently myself became an aunt.
 
2013-01-01 06:15:12 AM  
it just hit 12.12 here in Sweden. I just woke up, ffs. I haven't even had coffee.

I hope your country gets better.

Really, really hope.
 
2013-01-01 06:23:41 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: JSam21:The people that have shot all their lives are lazy and lack discipline. I use proper mechanics when training at all times, including blue gun (plastic gun) drills. If you don't practice use of the Universal Cover Mode, i.e. indexing your trigger finger, treat every firearm as it is loaded, even the fake training weapons, and shoot or train at least once a month... then don't carry or handle a firearm please.

It shocked me when I realized how many people who own firearms don't know what "indexing your trigger finger" even means. Holy crapola! Are they serious? The last thing I would want to do is "accidentally" shoot someone, so I always index. It would devastate me to harm another human without a very good cause, and I'm still not sure I could do that. I'd probably try and get away as fast as I could. I'm also of the opinion there is no such thing as an accidental shooting, just a very stupid one. That just shouldn't be.

I'm stupid about a lot of things. We can't all know everything. However, I am not stupid with my firearms or any other weapon I own. The biggest problem is that the stupid people don't know they're stupid or they deny they are stupid, even when it is pointed out to them. That is highly disturbing.


I agree... the term accidental discharge should only apply to lap dances. If your firearm discharges... you did something to make it do that.
 
2013-01-01 06:26:34 AM  
Wow, the Tree of Liberty is thirty. God bless these citizens who died for the rights of other citizens to go around shooting other citizens, especially little children. Oh, yes, and to keep Zombie King George out of America.
 
2013-01-01 06:28:00 AM  

jso2897: Oh joy. Another Goddamned, motherf**king gun thread.
[i18.photobucket.com image 384x400]


Such a cute little target!
 
2013-01-01 06:31:15 AM  

gh0strid3r: All you lowlife jackasses that keep purposely misspelling "AMERICA" can die in a fire. Slowly.

/American Vet
//Not what I fought for


Well, what DID you fight for? Obviously it wasn't for Freedom of Speech.
 
2013-01-01 06:32:32 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: JSam21:The people that have shot all their lives are lazy and lack discipline. I use proper mechanics when training at all times, including blue gun (plastic gun) drills. If you don't practice use of the Universal Cover Mode, i.e. indexing your trigger finger, treat every firearm as it is loaded, even the fake training weapons, and shoot or train at least once a month... then don't carry or handle a firearm please.

It shocked me when I realized how many people who own firearms don't know what "indexing your trigger finger" even means. Holy crapola! Are they serious? The last thing I would want to do is "accidentally" shoot someone, so I always index. It would devastate me to harm another human without a very good cause, and I'm still not sure I could do that. I'd probably try and get away as fast as I could. I'm also of the opinion there is no such thing as an accidental shooting, just a very stupid one. That just shouldn't be.

I'm stupid about a lot of things. We can't all know everything. However, I am not stupid with my firearms or any other weapon I own. The biggest problem is that the stupid people don't know they're stupid or they deny they are stupid, even when it is pointed out to them. That is highly disturbing.


You only know what you know. That's why I'm in favor of mandatory classes for all firearms purchases. You pick up your gun on a set day at a firing range and take the class before you leave. If you can show you've taken a class within 2 years of your purchase of that type of weapon, handgun, rifle, shotgun, then you're good to go. If not, you have take the class again. It will keep firearms safety fresh in the minds of all those that purchase firearms without adding further restrictions on purchasing them.
 
2013-01-01 06:37:12 AM  

ghare: gh0strid3r: All you lowlife jackasses that keep purposely misspelling "AMERICA" can die in a fire. Slowly.

/American Vet
//Not what I fought for

Well, what DID you fight for? Obviously it wasn't for Freedom of Speech.


That's the thing that gets me. That is exactly what he fought for.
 
2013-01-01 06:47:32 AM  

JSam21: That's the thing that gets me. That is exactly what he fought for.


maybe he fought for cheeseVelveeta.
 
2013-01-01 06:47:48 AM  
I'll sadly leave this here.

again....

and I don't want to collect.

there is something seriously wrong with Gunmerica...and Guntards.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-01 06:52:27 AM  
California has the strictest gun laws in the country, how could this happen??
 
2013-01-01 06:54:50 AM  

JSam21: ghare: gh0strid3r: All you lowlife jackasses that keep purposely misspelling "AMERICA" can die in a fire. Slowly.

/American Vet
//Not what I fought for

Well, what DID you fight for? Obviously it wasn't for Freedom of Speech.

That's the thing that gets me. That is exactly what he fought for.


maybe he fought the cold war so he could buy commie jeans?from CHINA?
no?
maybe he fought to keep weapons of mass destruction from getting into Dumberica? SO HE COULD LIBERATE THE MIDDLE EAST?
nope...?
maybe he fought to keep the Nazi guys from building Nasa or enriching the CIA?
nope...?
maybe he smuggled heroin out of 'Nam in the corpse of a friend?
nope...?


"And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die. "

etc...

/the guys that fight the hardest, talk the least.
//go put yer shoes on...
 
2013-01-01 06:57:04 AM  
Another thing that urks me is the prohibitively high cost to get good training for anything other than bullets go here, point this way, pull this, repeat type training. Advanced hand gun classes are $200 for 8 hours in my area. You have to supply your own ammunition, minimum 300 rounds per class which easily adds another $90 to the class cost. $300 for an 8 hour class? No wonder no one gets proper training.
 
2013-01-01 06:59:51 AM  

octopied: HotWingAgenda: Jesus Christ.  We can't go a f*cking month without some motherf*cker going on a murder spree in a public place.  How the fark did we keep it together long enough to survive World War II?  And the Cold War?

It's really escalted since Sandy Hook. People want to, er, go out with a bang.


i'd blame the media puking it up every thirty seconds to scare the left and empower the right to arm themselves...
making heroes out of zeros..
could be that every film made in Gunmerica has a douche with a gun on it.
except for sleepless in Seattle..but that was probably some kinda mistake...

but i really know it's just video games..

and c'mon, you need those guns to stop monsters from turning you all into slaves by controlling your democracy, devaluing your currency and going all fascist on you by turning your country into a police state...

so you guys keep arming up...SPOILER ALERT the monster already won...

Happy New Year Gunmericans, stay safe...
 
2013-01-01 07:02:17 AM  

JSam21: Another thing that urks me is the prohibitively high cost to get good training for anything other than bullets go here, point this way, pull this, repeat type training. Advanced hand gun classes are $200 for 8 hours in my area. You have to supply your own ammunition, minimum 300 rounds per class which easily adds another $90 to the class cost. $300 for an 8 hour class? No wonder no one gets proper training.


oh the high price of learning to kill people LOL.

/poor you
//as long as you got your generator oiled up and the big teevee goin, with lots of ammo you can just laugh...
 
2013-01-01 07:10:26 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: JSam21: Another thing that urks me is the prohibitively high cost to get good training for anything other than bullets go here, point this way, pull this, repeat type training. Advanced hand gun classes are $200 for 8 hours in my area. You have to supply your own ammunition, minimum 300 rounds per class which easily adds another $90 to the class cost. $300 for an 8 hour class? No wonder no one gets proper training.

oh the high price of learning to kill people LOL.

/poor you
//as long as you got your generator oiled up and the big teevee goin, with lots of ammo you can just laugh...


Not a gun nut. Not a prepper. I have to carry a gun on my hip everyday at work. It is part of my job. God forbid I would like to have the best training so in the unfortunate chance that I have to use my firearm in the line of duty, I will only ventilate my intended target and not innocent bystanders that happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Not everyone that lives in America that owns a gun is a "doomsday prepper gun nut". It would like me saying that everyone from Spain runs with bulls, enjoys exploring the ocean via sailboat, and makes a mean paella.
 
2013-01-01 07:15:21 AM  

JSam21: everyone from Spain runs with bulls, enjoys exploring the ocean via sailboat, and makes a mean paella.


They do? TO SPAIN!
 
2013-01-01 07:15:58 AM  

JSam21: Haliburton Cummings: JSam21:

Not everyone that lives in America that owns a gun is a "doomsday prepper gun nut". It would like me saying that everyone from Spain runs with bulls, enjoys exploring the ocean via sailboat, and makes a mean paella.


point taken but i have a hard time listening to your price point gripe in a thread about another pointless shooting.

i also have yet to see anyone with a firearm be able to control the background in a situation like that regardless of practice..
but, i'll give you points for a lucid and polite reply and considering the importance of being a good shot if the need arises..

YOU may not be a gun nut...but most are..

it's the generator nuts that scare me...

HNY!
 
2013-01-01 07:16:21 AM  

Fark It: Gyrfalcon: It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.

Just wait. Tomorrow it will be a high-capacity assault pistol with extended clips, like this one:

[cdn.ammoland.com image 600x448]


Hey I own that gun! (blued and with plastic grips)
 
2013-01-01 07:21:20 AM  
for the record, I am not from Spain...

Almeria is where they shot all the spaghetti westerns...not the homoerotic genocide based Gunmerican westerns...

"just gay dudes in a tent,
killing Indians for rent.."

but I do love the troll attempts. those are almost as good as the "member since" trolls...

"i have more friends on friendster and I had the first gmail " yaddda yaddda....etc

/John Wayne was a nazi
//John Wayne repo man quote here
///Marion...his name was Marion...
 
2013-01-01 07:22:13 AM  

Bio-nic: Fark It: Gyrfalcon: It doesn't sound like anyone going bugf*ck with an "assault rifle" so far.

Just wait. Tomorrow it will be a high-capacity assault pistol with extended clips, like this one:

[cdn.ammoland.com image 600x448]

Hey I own that gun! (blued and with plastic grips)


OH YAY!

100/100!
 
2013-01-01 07:22:16 AM  

Moriel: eraser8: At least we can come together on one thing:  capital punishment is murder and should be abolished.

In principle, I actually support capital punishment. I certainly see no reason that murderers and rapists should not be put to death. But as a practical matter, the death penalty is applied in racist ways and without a high enough standard of evidence, and I really have no hope that will ever change, and for this reason I can't support the death penalty.


If you make rape a capital offense, it means there's no downside, and lots of upside, to the rapist killing the victim.
 
2013-01-01 07:22:17 AM  
"Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

WTF!
 
2013-01-01 07:22:42 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: JSam21: Haliburton Cummings: JSam21:

Not everyone that lives in America that owns a gun is a "doomsday prepper gun nut". It would like me saying that everyone from Spain runs with bulls, enjoys exploring the ocean via sailboat, and makes a mean paella.

point taken but i have a hard time listening to your price point gripe in a thread about another pointless shooting.

i also have yet to see anyone with a firearm be able to control the background in a situation like that regardless of practice..
but, i'll give you points for a lucid and polite reply and considering the importance of being a good shot if the need arises..

YOU may not be a gun nut...but most are..

it's the generator nuts that scare me...

HNY!


Most people are "nuts" about something. The gripe about price point was in reference to training availability. Most studies show that higher Levels of training lead to more responsible use of firearms.
 
2013-01-01 07:24:50 AM  

Speaker2Animals: Moriel: eraser8: At least we can come together on one thing:  capital punishment is murder and should be abolished.

In principle, I actually support capital punishment. I certainly see no reason that murderers and rapists should not be put to death. But as a practical matter, the death penalty is applied in racist ways and without a high enough standard of evidence, and I really have no hope that will ever change, and for this reason I can't support the death penalty.

If you make rape a capital offense, it means there's no downside, and lots of upside, to the rapist killing the victim.


well legalize rape then?

"more rape victims are alive because..it's..uh..not a capitol offence"


/shakes head
 
2013-01-01 07:30:30 AM  
good thing subby is on scene. because it added so much information to this thread
 
2013-01-01 07:35:37 AM  
It's a good thing we had that bystander to let us know what type odds gun it was. "Sounded like a glock" I didn't know you could identify the brand of handgun by the way it sounded.
 
2013-01-01 07:53:47 AM  

m1gunr: California has the strictest gun laws in the country, how could this happen??


An armed society is a polite society.
Unless the guns are provided by the Russians, then these armed people are just barbaric.

www.nypost.com
 
2013-01-01 08:04:55 AM  
Just got on Fark and read the headline FTFA. Two people killed isn't multiple. That's not a story. Why so many comments? There were 'two people killed' in my trailer park alone last night, probubly.
 
2013-01-01 08:11:49 AM  
Article doesn't say and a cursory check of other news sites doesn't even mention the event so I'm guessing, repeat guessing, that it was a bunch of gangbangers of one stripe or another having one of their usual chest thumping sessions. As probably happens several dozen times a year, someone 'busted a cap' and the game was on. The dead/wounded were probably bystanders.

Before the Connecticut shooting, this would have a hard time making anything other than the local papers. Why it becomes a 'flash' on Fark now is anyone's guess.
 
2013-01-01 08:16:06 AM  

Tyranicle: Just got on Fark and read the headline FTFA. Two people killed isn't multiple. That's not a story. Why so many comments? There were 'two people killed' in my trailer park alone last night, probubly.


One death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic.
 
2013-01-01 08:19:09 AM  

Tyranicle: Two people killed isn't multiple.


Unsure whether you don't understand math, or English. Twins are "multiple births."
 
2013-01-01 08:19:39 AM  
I'm just thankful I don't live in France.  Anytime a truck backfires they all raise their hands and surrender.
 
2013-01-01 08:27:50 AM  

Tyranicle: Just got on Fark and read the headline FTFA. Two people killed isn't multiple. That's not a story. Why so many comments? There were 'two people killed' in my trailer park alone last night, probubly.


Because people are pretending that this kind of tragedy is new.
It's another shooting sponsored by the good old drug war, and it happens daily.

/obviously this means the law abiding must give something else up in the name of security.
/when prohibition was driving violence, we didn't run around looking for things to blame. We repealed a bad policy and moved on.
 
2013-01-01 08:28:00 AM  

m1gunr: California has the strictest gun laws in the country, how could this happen??


Already covered downthread.
 
2013-01-01 08:30:33 AM  
Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?
 
2013-01-01 08:39:21 AM  
I won't make this into a religious post. However, the way that I think everyone should live their lives is seen in Luke 6:31, Do unto others, as you would have do unto you.

We had two shootings locally here last night too. It is a gun issue, but a bigger issue is the humanity issue.
 
2013-01-01 08:39:54 AM  

Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?


Handgun ban will stop gangland shootings?
 
2013-01-01 08:39:55 AM  

Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?


Your plan is to take guns away from legal owners and leave them in the hands of the very criminals and cops that drive shooting statistics.
You haven't seen a body count yet.

/I live in a place that tried it your way.
/we went from less than ten murders a year to an average of sixty.
/unless you are ready to dump serious money into heavily armed cops, be ready for more violence on the news.
 
2013-01-01 08:43:53 AM  

kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.


You people are either woefully ignorant, or willfully delusional, to use Nazi Germany as an example. The unarmed German populace didn't want to be armed, they were perfectly happy having the Nazis run things, as long as all hostility was focused on the Jews, Communists, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, labor advocates, and others who didn't fit into the Aryan ideal. Gun control was a non-issue in Nazi Germany. Labor camps and ethnic cleansing were accomplished using propaganda and hatred of specific groups (similar to the way Fox News works).
 
2013-01-01 08:44:13 AM  
Oh please. Just shut the fark up.
 
2013-01-01 08:44:27 AM  
The bystander who was quoted saying "It sounded like a Glock" needs to be slapped.

If there exists such a finely tuned ear within the human race that can tell the make of a hand gun just by its' sound, I would love to meet that person.

"That was a .38 special, ++p, coming out of a S&W Bodyguard, with.... yes... is that a Crimson Trace hand grip laser as well? Yeeesssssss......"
 
2013-01-01 08:45:09 AM  

m1gunr: California has the strictest gun laws in the country, how could this happen??


I always wonder about people like you. Do you think that the border is made of magic and people can't just ignore reasonable gun laws in one state by walking across the border to a state with unreasonable gun laws so as to arm themselves in ways that would otherwise have been illegal? Or do you just ignore the fact that "strictest" is relative and still relies heavily on the fact that it's by comparison to the rest of the country which, by and large, has no real restrictions to speak of until you start talking about things like anti tank guns and artillery?

Clarify your derp, please.
 
2013-01-01 08:46:21 AM  

lordjupiter: Oh please. Just shut the fark up.



That was directed at the 2nd Amendment obsessed farkturds who keep bleating these paranoid apocalypse theories, distorted stats and bullshiat analogies.

Shut up. You're a liar. Guns aren't cars or bats or knives or anything else. We're not listening to your bullshiat anymore.
 
2013-01-01 08:47:21 AM  
Guns are part of America forever. Even if every firearm from BB gun up was banned, it would be a logistical impossibility to round them up and dispose of them.

The amusing thing here is the way that the sorts of people who are trying to make gun ownership immoral are the licentious ones who gave up any claim to morality long ago.

They're not bad people, mind you. They just scoffed at the idea of right and wrong existing in the first place. Everything is supposed to be relative. It depends on the situation, you see.

Except if the situation looks like a responsible, law abiding citizen having posession of a given inaminate object.

Whoa boy! Looks like somebody just got a case of the absolute right and wrongs.
 
2013-01-01 08:48:38 AM  

Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?


How does that end anything?
 
2013-01-01 08:49:58 AM  
Because of the sensitivity of the issue. Expect every news story of a shooting to have the potential for chicken farking.
 
2013-01-01 08:53:40 AM  

letrole: Guns are part of America forever. Even if every firearm from BB gun up was banned, it would be a logistical impossibility to round them up and dispose of them.

The amusing thing here is the way that the sorts of people who are trying to make gun ownership immoral are the licentious ones who gave up any claim to morality long ago.

They're not bad people, mind you. They just scoffed at the idea of right and wrong existing in the first place. Everything is supposed to be relative. It depends on the situation, you see.

Except if the situation looks like a responsible, law abiding citizen having posession of a given inaminate object.

Whoa boy! Looks like somebody just got a case of the absolute right and wrongs.


This, so much this. Earlier we had someone say that all people that own guns should receive capital punishment. I realize it was just a reactionary statement and trying to get people to bite.
 
2013-01-01 08:54:54 AM  
If this was Drew's other website, I'd upload a pic of what an Old Sac might look like.


/Sacramento has never been a safe place
 
2013-01-01 08:55:59 AM  
And no, not with a self-portrait.
 
2013-01-01 08:59:58 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: mikaloyd: So did any of y'all know the victims?

As far as I know, they've not yet released the names of the victims. There were thousands of people down there though. There are every year for NYE. The chances I knew one of them are slim, to say the least. Honestly, I would have felt fairly safe there. It's Discovery Park that I would avoid during the boozy holidays, not Old Sac. I'd rampage Candy Heaven for the free samples, then hit Fanny Ann's for a burger and beer. It's just "the thing" to do, cuz it's fun. There's usually a fairly strong, though subtle, police presence on the K Street mall and in Old Sac with the mounted police and the bike cops, with the paddy wagon cruising around nearby. I would have felt totally safe and probably been very freaked out if I'd been there when that happened.

tinfoil-hat maggie: Wow, CSS : )

My ex's stuff was newly made but it was quality stuff i mean I've held replica swords and you can tell the weight difference, I guess it's the metals involved.

It's very cool you're so into history, well you're history : )

It took me a while to get into our history. My psycho uncle beat the crap out of me when I was six years old for "not embracing my Nordic heritage". He was mad I didn't speak Norwegian (I still don't, just a few words and phrases) My sis and I were dumped in Norway every summer as we were growing up, so we could stay with family for our vacation. I kicked and screamed, bit and scratched every time I had to go to psycho uncle's house. My Gran finally quit making me go and I'd just hang out at her place or another relative's house. I had a strong aversion to any of the original Germanic tribes, Scandinavian or otherwise, for a very long time because of that. Now that I'm in my 40's, I've embraced it more. Still hate the psycho uncle, told him if he ever came to Cali he's probably the only person I actually could shoot, but other Scandinavians do not deserve my scorn. So now if it's a weapon or shield or religious artifa ...


Wow, sorry about the psycho uncle, but the rest is cool and yea I think as we get older were appreciate our past more..
 
2013-01-01 09:03:26 AM  

HoityToity: The bystander who was quoted saying "It sounded like a Glock" needs to be slapped.

If there exists such a finely tuned ear within the human race that can tell the make of a hand gun just by its' sound, I would love to meet that person.

"That was a .38 special, ++p, coming out of a S&W Bodyguard, with.... yes... is that a Crimson Trace hand grip laser as well? Yeeesssssss......"


I'm betting the person was using 'Glock' like a lot of people use 'Scotch Tape'. A brand name that has turned into a generic name for any 9 mm (or similar) semi auto pistol.
 
2013-01-01 09:05:48 AM  

JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?


Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from gun owners who refuse to turn over their guns.

Gun owners, fearful of losing their guns, would hide them away, out of sight and away from the public. Their very actions to save their guns from being confiscated will accomplish the same thing as confiscation: A lack of guns in public.

There would be no door-to-door search for guns. There'd be no great effort to ferret out gun owners. It would be very much like the way we treat drugs. Cops would do their jobs and if guns are found, then the owner is sited, the guns are taken and life goes on.

In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So, no it wouldn't be quick, but it would work. It's the only thing that would work. Shut off the supply at the source.
 
2013-01-01 09:11:19 AM  
Don't ask me why, but after RTFA, I have "pop pop pop, it sounded like a Glock" going through my head with the tune, "Rappers Delight" going through my head.
 
2013-01-01 09:14:23 AM  

Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from gun owners who refuse to turn over their guns.

Gun owners, fearful of losing their guns, would hide them away, out of sight and away from the public. Their very actions to save their guns from being confiscated will accomplish the same thing as confiscation: A lack of guns in public.

There would be no door-to-door search for guns. There'd be no great effort to ferret out gun owners. It would be very much like the way we treat drugs. Cops would do their jobs and if guns are found, then the owner is sited, the guns are taken and life goes on.

In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So, no it wouldn't be quick, but it would work. It's the only thing that would work. Shut off the supply at the source.


You know I've been trying to think of how revolution could actually break out in this country. That would do it.
 
2013-01-01 09:16:33 AM  
It never fails to amaze me how quick some retards are to threaten revolution...Especially retards who proclaim themselves to be law-abiding gun owners.

If my solution was actually implemented, you'd do nothing more than hide your guns(If you actually have any), and complain loudly on Fark. Nothing more.
 
2013-01-01 09:18:58 AM  
It amazes me that you think I advocate bloody revolution. You're assuming a docile populous in your theory. If the recent event have proven anything we have a destabilizing populous. I've just been wondering how close we are to organized action, and that organized action will not happen without drastic action by the government to violate historical freedoms, which an action like banning hand guns would be.
 
2013-01-01 09:19:44 AM  

Scruffinator: JSam21: everyone from Spain runs with bulls, enjoys exploring the ocean via sailboat, and makes a mean paella.

They do? TO SPAIN!


Hey wait for me that sounds fun ; )
 
2013-01-01 09:20:28 AM  
Infernalist: So, no it wouldn't be quick, but it would work. It's the only thing that would work. Shut off the supply at the source.

Hence the current tactic of trying to denigrate those who own guns, and making it a temperence campaign. Something must be done to make all those gun owners *want* to give up arms.

The major flaw with using prohibition is that the vast majority of Americans don't share this morbid fear of mere precision machinery.

It's foolish to compare the future illicit gun trade with drug trade. The black market will flourish, the way that the black market flourished under the Soviets. All segments of society will participate. Why all segments? It's simple. Everybody wants guns.
 
2013-01-01 09:20:43 AM  

Farkomatic: Don't ask me why, but after RTFA, I have "pop pop pop, it sounded like a Glock" going through my head with the tune, "Rappers Delight" going through my head.


Maybe it's because I'm used to going to gun ranges, where everyone's shooting everything...but how the fark does one tell the sound of a Glock from other guns? Or is this a case of people using the gun charts that pop up here all the time to identify said Glock?
 
2013-01-01 09:21:11 AM  
Wait, Subby is the shooter?!

Sign of the times, man...
 
2013-01-01 09:21:11 AM  
Another progressive gone made, we need to disarm the blue states.
 
2013-01-01 09:21:32 AM  

Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from gun owners who refuse to turn over their guns.

Gun owners, fearful of losing their guns, would hide them away, out of sight and away from the public. Their very actions to save their guns from being confiscated will accomplish the same thing as confiscation: A lack of guns in public.

There would be no door-to-door search for guns. There'd be no great effort to ferret out gun owners. It would be very much like the way we treat drugs. Cops would do their jobs and if guns are found, then the owner is sited, the guns are taken and life goes on.

In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So, no it wouldn't be quick, but it would work. It's the only thing that would work. Shut off the supply at the source.


Ok... hold on a second. So you are calling for a worldwide ban of all semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons? What about military use?
 
2013-01-01 09:22:14 AM  
What odds are being given that this guy did not legally own the gun?
 
2013-01-01 09:22:19 AM  
Infernalist: If my solution was actually implemented,

Every man has at least one truly great idea that will not work.
 
2013-01-01 09:22:27 AM  
I blame not having Dick Clark
 
2013-01-01 09:22:51 AM  
Funny, tonight my Wife and I celebrated moving away from Sacramento this past year. I didn't hate it, but we just didn't know anyone and decided to move home.

I used to go to Old Town and didn't think it was unsafe in general (maybe if it flooded). FFS, anyplace is unsafe if you have gun toting arseholes.
 
2013-01-01 09:23:15 AM  

Cerebral Knievel: some people just want to watch the world burn....



Please pass the marshmallows.
 
2013-01-01 09:28:15 AM  

letrole: Infernalist: So, no it wouldn't be quick, but it would work. It's the only thing that would work. Shut off the supply at the source.

Hence the current tactic of trying to denigrate those who own guns, and making it a temperence campaign. Something must be done to make all those gun owners *want* to give up arms.

The major flaw with using prohibition is that the vast majority of Americans don't share this morbid fear of mere precision machinery.

It's foolish to compare the future illicit gun trade with drug trade. The black market will flourish, the way that the black market flourished under the Soviets. All segments of society will participate. Why all segments? It's simple. Everybody wants guns.


Reality disagrees with you. Polls show that over 55% of Americans are wanting stricter gun control laws. And I'm sure that in the short term, guns 'will' be traded through a black market, but without a supply, that market will dry up relatively quick.

After all, without ammunition factories churning out millions of bullets a year...where are you going to get the ammo for those black market guns? Make them yourself? Sure, some small fraction of the population will do this, but not in any significant amount and mostly just for themselves. Gangbangers aren't going to make their own bullets. Lunatics like Lanza won't be making their own bullets.

Kill the supply and within a few decades, the problem will be gone.
 
2013-01-01 09:29:12 AM  

JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from gun owners who refus ...


Nope, not saying world-wide at all.
 
2013-01-01 09:30:09 AM  

Infernalist: In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.


So why exactly is it more tragic when multiple people are killed in a single incident instead of just a single person? Does the level of tragedy increase by a factor of 2 or something with every additional death? As in, 1 death is tragic, 2 deaths is twice as tragic, 3 deaths are four times as tragic? I am not trying to make light of any of those mass shootings, but they really are no more tragic than any other shooting. Trying to stop mass shootings is like putting a splint on someone's broken finger while they are bleeding from several gun shot wounds to the chest. Mass shootings are relatively rare events that have a negligible impact on firearm homicide rates in this country. The solution is NOT banning guns. That will not stop people from killing other people. And should we not be focused more on trying to stop that than cut down on the number of people that they kill? And that is what your basic argument boils down to. You are in essence saying, "Hey, go ahead and kill each other, just do it one at a time."
 
2013-01-01 09:30:43 AM  

Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from gun owners who refuse to turn over their guns.

Gun owners, fearful of losing their guns, would hide them away, out of sight and away from the public. Their very actions to save their guns from being confiscated will accomplish the same thing as confiscation: A lack of guns in public.

There would be no door-to-door search for guns. There'd be no great effort to ferret out gun owners. It would be very much like the way we treat drugs. Cops would do their jobs and if guns are found, then the owner is sited, the guns are taken and life goes on.

In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So, no it wouldn't be quick, but it would work. It's the only thing that would work. Shut off the supply at the source.


Here is the problem with your idea. You can't put the gun genie back in the bottle. Just like you can't put the nuclear weapon genie back in the bottle. It is widely known how to produce firearms. It is widely know how to produce ammunition. So what prevents someone or a group/gang from producing firearms to be placed on the black market?

What you would have to do is erase history and knowledge. You can't regulate knowledge. Once the knowledge on how to do or make something is out there, it never goes away.
 
2013-01-01 09:30:50 AM  

DubtodaIll: It amazes me that you think I advocate bloody revolution. You're assuming a docile populous in your theory. If the recent event have proven anything we have a destabilizing populous. I've just been wondering how close we are to organized action, and that organized action will not happen without drastic action by the government to violate historical freedoms, which an action like banning hand guns would be.


The American people 'are' a docile herd of sheep. And we both know it. And again, you're not going to do anything but complain on the internet when/if they ban guns.

And again, fyi, 'historical freedoms' are not sacred. Slavery was once a 'historical freedom'.
 
2013-01-01 09:31:44 AM  
I moved from California to the Midwest a year ago. I spent ten years in San Diego and hated almost every minute of it. It's like paying ten times more to live in a Mexican shiathole.
 
2013-01-01 09:32:48 AM  

Infernalist: DubtodaIll: It amazes me that you think I advocate bloody revolution. You're assuming a docile populous in your theory. If the recent event have proven anything we have a destabilizing populous. I've just been wondering how close we are to organized action, and that organized action will not happen without drastic action by the government to violate historical freedoms, which an action like banning hand guns would be.

The American people 'are' a docile herd of sheep. And we both know it. And again, you're not going to do anything but complain on the internet when/if they ban guns.

And again, fyi, 'historical freedoms' are not sacred. Slavery was once a 'historical freedom'.


And I vaguely remember millions of Americans dying over it.
 
2013-01-01 09:33:59 AM  
We should just cut off both hands of everyone at birth.
 
2013-01-01 09:35:04 AM  

Mock26: Infernalist: In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So why exactly is it more tragic when multiple people are killed in a single incident instead of just a single person? Does the level of tragedy increase by a factor of 2 or something with every additional death? As in, 1 death is tragic, 2 deaths is twice as tragic, 3 deaths are four times as tragic? I am not trying to make light of any of those mass shootings, but they really are no more tragic than any other shooting. Trying to stop mass shootings is like putting a splint on someone's broken finger while they are bleeding from several gun shot wounds to the chest. Mass shootings are relatively rare events that have a negligible impact on firearm homicide rates in this country. The solution is NOT banning guns. That will not stop people from killing other people. And should we not be focused more on trying to stop that than cut down on the number of people that they kill? And that is what your basic argument boils down to. You are in essence saying, "Hey, go ahead and kill each other, just do it one at a time."


If I was suggestion a gun ban 'only', then you might have a point. But I'm sure that a massive upgrade to the government's ability to scan the populous for mental illness and remove the damaged from the larger population is also necessary.

No, banning guns won't make people stop trying to kill each other, but it'll make it a hell of a lot harder for people to kill each other. In China, the same day as the Lanza shootings, some lunatic stabbed 22 school children before he was killed by their police.

Not one child died.

My solution is one of damage-control and long term planning to remove the source of easy access handguns that make murder so very easy in this country. Men and women who easily shoot each other would probably have a much harder time killing people if they had to use a knife to do it.
 
2013-01-01 09:35:58 AM  

Infernalist: Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from gun owners who refuse to turn over their guns.

Gun owners, fearful of losing their guns, would hide them away, out of sight and away from the public. Their very actions to save their guns from being confiscated will accomplish the same thing as confiscation: A lack of guns in public.

There would be no door-to-door search for guns. There'd be no great effort to ferret out gun owners. It would be very much like the way we treat drugs. Cops would do their jobs and if guns are found, then the owner is sited, the guns are taken and life goes on.

In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So, no it wouldn't be quick, but it would work. It's the only thing that would work. Shut off the supply at the source.


But why is this even necessary? There are 88 guns per 100 people in this country, and with over 311 million people that means that there are roughly 270 million guns. And those 270 million guns are owned by approximately 100 million people, roughly a third of the country. And every single day in this country nearly every single one of those 100+ million people never use their firearms in an illegal manner. Over 100 million people NOT using over 270 million in an illegal manner. That is called responsibility. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners who never use their guns to commit a crime. So why would you want to punish over 100 million people because of a handful of people who are not responsible? That makes no sense.
 
2013-01-01 09:36:38 AM  

DubtodaIll: Infernalist: DubtodaIll: It amazes me that you think I advocate bloody revolution. You're assuming a docile populous in your theory. If the recent event have proven anything we have a destabilizing populous. I've just been wondering how close we are to organized action, and that organized action will not happen without drastic action by the government to violate historical freedoms, which an action like banning hand guns would be.

The American people 'are' a docile herd of sheep. And we both know it. And again, you're not going to do anything but complain on the internet when/if they ban guns.

And again, fyi, 'historical freedoms' are not sacred. Slavery was once a 'historical freedom'.

And I vaguely remember millions of Americans dying over it.


Wow, you're old.
 
2013-01-01 09:37:28 AM  

Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So why exactly is it more tragic when multiple people are killed in a single incident instead of just a single person? Does the level of tragedy increase by a factor of 2 or something with every additional death? As in, 1 death is tragic, 2 deaths is twice as tragic, 3 deaths are four times as tragic? I am not trying to make light of any of those mass shootings, but they really are no more tragic than any other shooting. Trying to stop mass shootings is like putting a splint on someone's broken finger while they are bleeding from several gun shot wounds to the chest. Mass shootings are relatively rare events that have a negligible impact on firearm homicide rates in this country. The solution is NOT banning guns. That will not stop people from killing other people. And should we not be focused more on trying to stop that than cut down on the number of people that they kill? And that is what your basic argument boils down to. You are in essence saying, "Hey, go ahead and kill each other, just do it one at a time."

If I was suggestion a gun ban 'only', then you might have a point. But I'm sure that a massive upgrade to the government's ability to scan the populous for mental illness and remove the damaged from the larger population is also necessary.

No, banning guns won't make people stop trying to kill each other, but it'll make it a hell of a lot harder for people to kill each other. In China, the same day as the Lanza shootings, some lunatic stabbed 22 school children before he was killed by their police.

Not one child died.

My solution is one of damage-control and long term planning to remove the source of easy access handguns that make murder so very e ...


Because it bears repeating, there are 88 guns per 100 people in this country, and with over 311 million people that means that there are roughly 270 million guns. And those 270 million guns are owned by approximately 100 million people, roughly a third of the country. And every single day in this country nearly every single one of those 100+ million people never use their firearms in an illegal manner. Over 100 million people NOT using over 270 million in an illegal manner. That is called responsibility. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners who never use their guns to commit a crime. So why would you want to punish over 100 million people because of a handful of people who are not responsible? That makes no sense.
 
2013-01-01 09:37:53 AM  
Infernalist: The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns.


Sorry to seem like I'm picking on you, but you're regurgitating more than just a bit of the current accepted party line. Handguns have been mass produced in US since the end of the American Civil War. There have been hundreds of manufacturers large and small cranking out millions upon millions of handguns for seven or eight generations.

The time span you used,"30+ years", has no meaning, except to further reinforce the fallicious idea that this sort of gun crime is new, because the guns are a new phenomenom.

No dear, the guns have always been there. Those howwible howwible gun factories have been up and running for 150 years.
 
2013-01-01 09:38:33 AM  

JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from gun owners who refus ...


Gun tools are not common place and can easily be outlawed along with the handguns themselves. Making ammunition is not something you can do with common ordinary household items. They take particular ingredients that are not easily gotten, especially if the government goes out of its way to make it hard to get these things.

You refer to the 'nuclear genie'...A very apt point. We can't regulate that knowledge, but we 'do' keep flags on people who check out 'how to make a nuclear bomb' from a library. And we heavily regulate the 'parts' and 'tools' needed to make a nuclear bomb. The end result. A neatly 'caged' genie.

We can do the same with handgun technology and ammunition technology
 
2013-01-01 09:38:50 AM  

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The question is not whether you can own a gun...because you can.

What you can't do is own ANY gun you want. A gun is a commercial product. It can be regulated, controlled, recalled, restricted...just like any other commercial product.

I for one am not going to sit here and listen to you bad MOUTH sensible gun restrictions. Gentlemen!
 
2013-01-01 09:39:11 AM  

HoityToity: The bystander who was quoted saying "It sounded like a Glock" needs to be slapped.

If there exists such a finely tuned ear within the human race that can tell the make of a hand gun just by its' sound, I would love to meet that person.

"That was a .38 special, ++p, coming out of a S&W Bodyguard, with.... yes... is that a Crimson Trace hand grip laser as well? Yeeesssssss......"


The listening monks are very good at this sort of thing.
 
2013-01-01 09:39:51 AM  

DubtodaIll: Infernalist: DubtodaIll: It amazes me that you think I advocate bloody revolution. You're assuming a docile populous in your theory. If the recent event have proven anything we have a destabilizing populous. I've just been wondering how close we are to organized action, and that organized action will not happen without drastic action by the government to violate historical freedoms, which an action like banning hand guns would be.

The American people 'are' a docile herd of sheep. And we both know it. And again, you're not going to do anything but complain on the internet when/if they ban guns.

And again, fyi, 'historical freedoms' are not sacred. Slavery was once a 'historical freedom'.

And I vaguely remember millions of Americans dying over it.


yes, millions of redneck retards went to war to protect the rights of a handful of rich white farks to buy and sell black people. The stupidity of the average redneck should never be underestimated.
 
2013-01-01 09:41:29 AM  
shoot. I forgot:

/blowjob...blowjob...eat me...eat me...blowjob
 
2013-01-01 09:42:04 AM  

letrole: Infernalist: The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns.


Sorry to seem like I'm picking on you, but you're regurgitating more than just a bit of the current accepted party line. Handguns have been mass produced in US since the end of the American Civil War. There have been hundreds of manufacturers large and small cranking out millions upon millions of handguns for seven or eight generations.

The time span you used,"30+ years", has no meaning, except to further reinforce the fallicious idea that this sort of gun crime is new, because the guns are a new phenomenom.

No dear, the guns have always been there. Those howwible howwible gun factories have been up and running for 150 years.


All the more reason to emphasize that removing handguns from the population will not be easy or quick, but should be done all the same. They've had a hundred fifty years to flood our society, I don't see why people expect an easy and quick solution.
 
2013-01-01 09:42:56 AM  
Can't believe no one has posted this yet...

clandarkstar.com
 
2013-01-01 09:43:30 AM  

Infernalist: It never fails to amaze me how quick some retards are to threaten revolution...Especially retards who proclaim themselves to be law-abiding gun owners.

If my solution was actually implemented, you'd do nothing more than hide your guns(If you actually have any), and complain loudly on Fark. Nothing more


I'm not anti-gun, but can't we come up with legal solutions that demand more personal responsibility from gun owners?

Why do many gun owners claim to be "law abiding citizens" -- until someone talks about limiting said guns in any way? Then it's "to the Revolution-mobile!"

For those folks, seems like its less about being law-abiding high morality citizens, and more about peeing the bed.
 
2013-01-01 09:45:20 AM  

Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So why exactly is it more tragic when multiple people are killed in a single incident instead of just a single person? Does the level of tragedy increase by a factor of 2 or something with every additional death? As in, 1 death is tragic, 2 deaths is twice as tragic, 3 deaths are four times as tragic? I am not trying to make light of any of those mass shootings, but they really are no more tragic than any other shooting. Trying to stop mass shootings is like putting a splint on someone's broken finger while they are bleeding from several gun shot wounds to the chest. Mass shootings are relatively rare events that have a negligible impact on firearm homicide rates in this country. The solution is NOT banning guns. That will not stop people from killing other people. And should we not be focused more on trying to stop that than cut down on the number of people that they kill? And that is what your basic argument boils down to. You are in essence saying, "Hey, go ahead and kill each other, just do it one at a time."

If I was suggestion a gun ban 'only', then you might have a point. But I'm sure that a massive upgrade to the government's ability to scan the populous for mental illness and remove the damaged from the larger population is also necessary.

No, banning guns won't make people stop trying to kill each other, but it'll make it a hell of a lot harder for people to kill each other. In China, the same day as the Lanza shootings, some lunatic stabbed 22 school children before he was killed by their police.

Not one child died.

My solution is one of damage-control and long term planning to remove the source of easy access handguns that make mur ...


It makes perfect sense. For all your talk of 'responsible owners', we never see stories of someone killing 20 kids with a machete or a hammer.

We never see schools terrorized with knives.

We, as a society, have 'failed' in our responsibilities. And we don't deserve these guns anymore. We've shown ourselves to be selfish, unthinking, wanting only to keep these lethal toys to ourselves, completely uncaring of what those same guns do to our society. It's a childish attitude and when children misbehave, you take away their farking toys.
 
2013-01-01 09:46:37 AM  
Just because you hold their actions in negative light doesn't make them any less real. Just as many noble, good, and otherwise completely innocent unionists bravely went to war and died for the right of the federal government to violate states' rights. You're making broad assumptions as to the attitude by which your proposals will be accepted, namely that everyone should agree with you, which is an obvious fallacy. I don't like it when people die in senseless or sensible acts of violence. However, you take away all tools of destructions from a madman he's still a madman with all the ingenuity of a human brain and will still make every effort to be noticed by the method of his choosing. Usually they'll sit in a corner. But if you decide to take away his teddy bear, well, he's going to take exception to that.
 
2013-01-01 09:47:48 AM  

DubtodaIll: Just because you hold their actions in negative light doesn't make them any less real. Just as many noble, good, and otherwise completely innocent unionists bravely went to war and died for the right of the federal government to violate states' rights. You're making broad assumptions as to the attitude by which your proposals will be accepted, namely that everyone should agree with you, which is an obvious fallacy. I don't like it when people die in senseless or sensible acts of violence. However, you take away all tools of destructions from a madman he's still a madman with all the ingenuity of a human brain and will still make every effort to be noticed by the method of his choosing. Usually they'll sit in a corner. But if you decide to take away his teddy bear, well, he's going to take exception to that.


Not going to get drawn into a Civil War debate/tangent/derailing. Your 'historical freedom' to guns is as relevant as the 'historical freedom' to buy slaves.
 
2013-01-01 09:48:50 AM  

Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from gun owners who refus ...

Nope, not saying world-wide at all.


Oh ok... so then you have now developed a very large and lucrative black market in a country with two large land borders and 3 massive coast lines.

With your plan the closet thing you have to that is Brazil. There are 17 million guns in Brazil. 9 million of those guns are illegal. The guns are smuggled into the country, stolen from legal owners, stolen from military bases and police stations or sold by corrupt military or police officers.

You've essentially have called for prohibition of firearms. We saw what happened with the prohibition of alcohol. It did nothing to make people not want the product. What it did do is make said product more valuable to those that wanted it. It made the people who had the product rich. It made the people who wanted to be rich violent. If they wanted to be richer they had to be more violent... circle continues

If guns are available anywhere they will get into the wrong hands. If you can't use firearms, people will develop a new weapon because weapons ARE needed for defense.
 
2013-01-01 09:49:45 AM  
Infernalist The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country

Infernalist They've had a hundred fifty years to flood our society,


C'mon Tex, just fess up. You don't have a clue, but hey, you think your heart is made of gold.
 
2013-01-01 09:52:26 AM  
Infernalist: Not going to get drawn into a Civil War debate/tangent/derailing. Your 'historical freedom' to guns is as relevant as the 'historical freedom' to buy slaves.


There might be a lesson in there about the unintended consequences of banning stuff.
 
2013-01-01 09:53:59 AM  

Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So why exactly is it more tragic when multiple people are killed in a single incident instead of just a single person? Does the level of tragedy increase by a factor of 2 or something with every additional death? As in, 1 death is tragic, 2 deaths is twice as tragic, 3 deaths are four times as tragic? I am not trying to make light of any of those mass shootings, but they really are no more tragic than any other shooting. Trying to stop mass shootings is like putting a splint on someone's broken finger while they are bleeding from several gun shot wounds to the chest. Mass shootings are relatively rare events that have a negligible impact on firearm homicide rates in this country. The solution is NOT banning guns. That will not stop people from killing other people. And should we not be focused more on trying to stop that than cut down on the number of people that they kill? And that is what your basic argument boils down to. You are in essence saying, "Hey, go ahead and kill each other, just do it one at a time."

If I was suggestion a gun ban 'only', then you might have a point. But I'm sure that a massive upgrade to the government's ability to scan the populous for mental illness and remove the damaged from the larger population is also necessary.

No, banning guns won't make people stop trying to kill each other, but it'll make it a hell of a lot harder for people to kill each other. In China, the same day as the Lanza shootings, some lunatic stabbed 22 school children before he was killed by their police.

Not one child died.

My solution is one of damage-control and long term planning to remove the source of easy access handguns that make mur ...

It makes perfect sense. For all your talk of 'responsible owners', we never see stories of someone killing 20 kids with a machete or a hammer.

We never see schools terrorized with knives.

We, as a society, have 'failed' in our responsibilities. And we don't deserve these guns anymore. We've shown ourselves to be selfish, unthinking, wanting only to keep these lethal toys to ourselves, completely uncaring of what those same guns do to our society. It's a childish attitude and when children misbehave, you take away their farking toys.


Wow. That is some seriously flawed logic there. Because of a few people (relatively speaking, of course) we should punish everyone else who has done nothing wrong? That is complete and utter crap.

But since you believe it to be true, let me ask you something. Would you say that we have "failed" in our responsibilities when it comes to alcohol and driving? More people are killed by drunk drivers every year than by firearms, so that shows that we have "failed" in our responsibilities, right? Somehow, though, I do not think that you believe that we should therefore ban alcohol and/or cars to prevent drunk driving deaths. Am I right?
 
2013-01-01 09:55:05 AM  

JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from ...


Our borders are decidedly more sturdy and more carefully watched than Brazil's. And don't bring up the illegals. We want them here, so we turn a blind eye to their entering.

Secondly, you can't compare a handgun ban to Prohibition. Any retard with a still could make his own liquor and 'did' just that. But you can't grow distill gunpowder from corn. You can't refurbish a dishwasher and turn it into an AK-47. Will there be black marketeers bringing in guns? Certainly. But, even assuming a 'robust' black market you STILL have the case of people hiding these guns, lock them up, not bringing them out into public. Which only emphasizes the fact that the ban would 'work' at its purpose, removing guns from the public and making that public safer as a result.

So, even if people make their own guns and/or buy black market guns...we're still dealing with a society with dramatically reduced guns and resultant gun violence, and the problem will only decrease as time passes.
 
2013-01-01 09:56:02 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kriegfusion: Better a mass shooting everyday killing a handful of people than throwing undesirables into ovens, starving millions through bad policy and neglect, or outright mass extermination through labor camps or ethnic cleansing. Yeah I wish these shootings didn't happen, but the alternative is infinitely worse. Let people be shot daily, I won't change my factually based, historically sound opinion one millimeter.

when unchecked tyranny comes, the gun control advocates will give up the arms their leaders will use to execute them with.

You could just say, "We need these things to shoot American soldiers."


They would be traitors at that point having violated posse comitatus
 
2013-01-01 09:57:06 AM  

Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So why exactly is it more tragic when multiple people are killed in a single incident instead of just a single person? Does the level of tragedy increase by a factor of 2 or something with every additional death? As in, 1 death is tragic, 2 deaths is twice as tragic, 3 deaths are four times as tragic? I am not trying to make light of any of those mass shootings, but they really are no more tragic than any other shooting. Trying to stop mass shootings is like putting a splint on someone's broken finger while they are bleeding from several gun shot wounds to the chest. Mass shootings are relatively rare events that have a negligible impact on firearm homicide rates in this country. The solution is NOT banning guns. That will not stop people from killing other people. And should we not be focused more on trying to stop that than cut down on the number of people that they kill? And that is what your basic argument boils down to. You are in essence saying, "Hey, go ahead and kill each other, just do it one at a time."

If I was suggestion a gun ban 'only', then you might have a point. But I'm sure that a massive upgrade to the government's ability to scan the populous for mental illness and remove the damaged from the larger population is also necessary.

No, banning guns won't make people stop trying to kill each other, but it'll make it a hell of a lot harder for people to kill each other. In China, the same day as the Lanza shootings, some lunatic stabbed 22 school children before he was killed by their police.

Not one child died.

My solution is one of damage-control and long term planning to remove the source of easy access handguns that ...


I happen to agree with you about the alcohol, but I have my priorities and I see guns as being a bigger issue than alcohol.

All things in good time.
 
2013-01-01 09:57:23 AM  

Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from ...

Our borders are decidedly more sturdy and more carefully watched than Brazil's. And don't bring up the illegals. We want them here, so we turn a blind eye to their entering.

Secondly, you can't compare a handgun ban to Prohibition. Any retard with a still could make his own liquor and 'did' just that. But you can't grow distill gunpowder from corn. You can't refurbish a dishwasher and turn it into an AK-47. Will there be black marketeers bringing in guns? Certainly. But, even assuming a 'robust' black market you STILL have the case of people hiding these guns, lock them up, not bringing them out into public. Which only emphasizes the fact that the ban would 'work' at its purpose, removing guns from the public and making that public safer as a result.

So, even if people make their own guns and/or buy black market guns...we're still dealing with a society with dramatically reduced guns and resultant gun violence, and the problem will only decrease as time passes.


Oh a what a happy day it will be to wake up and live in fear of your own government for the choices you made not so long ago as a perfectly good citizen.
 
2013-01-01 09:58:00 AM  

letrole: Infernalist: Not going to get drawn into a Civil War debate/tangent/derailing. Your 'historical freedom' to guns is as relevant as the 'historical freedom' to buy slaves.


There might be a lesson in there about the unintended consequences of banning stuff.


That would be...some retards cling to the past for no other reason than stupidity and tradition?
 
2013-01-01 09:59:56 AM  

Infernalist: letrole: Infernalist: Not going to get drawn into a Civil War debate/tangent/derailing. Your 'historical freedom' to guns is as relevant as the 'historical freedom' to buy slaves.


There might be a lesson in there about the unintended consequences of banning stuff.

That would be...some retards cling to the past for no other reason than stupidity and tradition?


Ok wow I'm done with this one. 10/10. Ignore history? Guffaw!
 
2013-01-01 10:00:00 AM  

Infernalist: The American people 'are' a docile herd of sheep.


-1/10

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son, I am disappoint
 
2013-01-01 10:00:05 AM  

DubtodaIll: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to co ...


And here come the delusional fears of a tyrannical government that doesn't exist. Your mental illness could be a problem, do you mind turning yourself into the authorities and turning over your weapons before you crack completely and open fire on a crowd of children?
 
2013-01-01 10:01:25 AM  
Holy smokes. It's incredible how these stories get more and more convenient. The ban will be in place before the summer's out if the planners keep coming up with shocking headlines like this.
 
2013-01-01 10:01:47 AM  

trappedspirit: Infernalist: The American people 'are' a docile herd of sheep.

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son, I am disappoint


Stagnant wages for 30 years, steadily eroded civil rights, environmental regulation and we just paid through the nose to bail out a bunch of billionaires.

The American people are brainless sheep.
 
2013-01-01 10:01:51 AM  
Imagine how many people would be shiatting their pants when the news reports every instance of rape...

Firearm related homicide is on the decline....but media coverage of firearm related homicide is up.

I'd wager that more people died from alchohol poisoning than firearms last night...cause the statistics are in my favor....but farkers dont want to save lives if they would have to put the bottle down...

You dont really know how many red cars are on the road until you start counting them....
 
2013-01-01 10:02:27 AM  
Infernalist: But, even assuming a 'robust' black market you STILL have the case of people hiding these guns, lock them up, not bringing them out into public. Which only emphasizes the fact that the ban would 'work' at its purpose, removing guns from the public and making that public safer as a result.

This doesn't make any sense. None of the recent -- or not so recent -- spree killers had been seen walking around in public carrying any sort of firearms. Are you saying that you're offended if you see a gun rack in a pickup truck at WalMart? Is that what you're hoping to squelch?

Now again, I've had a poke or two at you, mainly because you're such an easy mark, but really dude, I'm being serious here.

You don't have a fooken clue.
 
2013-01-01 10:02:39 AM  

DubtodaIll: Infernalist: letrole: Infernalist: Not going to get drawn into a Civil War debate/tangent/derailing. Your 'historical freedom' to guns is as relevant as the 'historical freedom' to buy slaves.


There might be a lesson in there about the unintended consequences of banning stuff.

That would be...some retards cling to the past for no other reason than stupidity and tradition?

Ok wow I'm done with this one. 10/10. Ignore history? Guffaw!


I'll take that as your declaration of surrender.
 
2013-01-01 10:03:45 AM  
Glad I went to bed.
 
2013-01-01 10:03:53 AM  

letrole: Infernalist: But, even assuming a 'robust' black market you STILL have the case of people hiding these guns, lock them up, not bringing them out into public. Which only emphasizes the fact that the ban would 'work' at its purpose, removing guns from the public and making that public safer as a result.

This doesn't make any sense. None of the recent -- or not so recent -- spree killers had been seen walking around in public carrying any sort of firearms. Are you saying that you're offended if you see a gun rack in a pickup truck at WalMart? Is that what you're hoping to squelch?

Now again, I've had a poke or two at you, mainly because you're such an easy mark, but really dude, I'm being serious here.

You don't have a fooken clue.


I'm saying, and still am saying, that the only way to stop the gun violence problem is to remove the guns from society. You've yet to offer up anything that proves otherwise.
 
2013-01-01 10:04:06 AM  

Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So why exactly is it more tragic when multiple people are killed in a single incident instead of just a single person? Does the level of tragedy increase by a factor of 2 or something with every additional death? As in, 1 death is tragic, 2 deaths is twice as tragic, 3 deaths are four times as tragic? I am not trying to make light of any of those mass shootings, but they really are no more tragic than any other shooting. Trying to stop mass shootings is like putting a splint on someone's broken finger while they are bleeding from several gun shot wounds to the chest. Mass shootings are relatively rare events that have a negligible impact on firearm homicide rates in this country. The solution is NOT banning guns. That will not stop people from killing other people. And should we not be focused more on trying to stop that than cut down on the number of people that they kill? And that is what your basic argument boils down to. You are in essence saying, "Hey, go ahead and kill each other, just do it one at a time."

If I was suggestion a gun ban 'only', then you might have a point. But I'm sure that a massive upgrade to the government's ability to scan the populous for mental illness and remove the damaged from the larger population is also necessary.

No, banning guns won't make people stop trying to kill each other, but it'll make it a hell of a lot harder for people to kill each other. In China, the same day as the Lanza shootings, some lunatic stabbed 22 school children before he was killed by their police.

Not one child died.

My solution is one of damage-control and long term planning to remove the source of easy access handguns that ...

I happen to agree with you about the alcohol, but I have my priorities and I see guns as being a bigger issue than alcohol.

All things in good time.


More people are killed by drunk drivers every year than by firearms and you see guns as being the bigger issue? Wow. That is seriously messed up.
 
2013-01-01 10:05:01 AM  
Can I attempt to sum up the gun debate?

From the left: These devices are farkING DANGEROUS AS HELL and legal means are necessary to keep as many as possible out of the general population, which is full of idiots who otherwise wouldn't have such an impulsive, dangerous way to become a criminal in the first place. Maybe the number of shootings can be even cut in half? It's a worthy goal. We believe that the government, while run by human beings and thus open to corruption and incompetence, is still good at heart and efficacy overall, and can be trusted to carry out such actions. While we're at it, let's spend public money to try and help there to be fewer farking idiots, even if it means absurdly rich people will merely be adequately rich, because we believe it can actually make a noticeable difference, even if it takes several generations. We don't want a totally free society, just a good one, for Christ's sake. Now let's all get in a circle, hold hands, and sing, "Let There be Peace on Earth" and make some finger paintings...

From the right: There is nothing you can do about the massive number of farking idiots who comprise our society. They are going to exist in great abundance and that will never change no matter what we do, and attempts to try and amend that will only result in wasted money and efforts. The cream rises to the top, and to Hell with those who can't crawl out of it on their own. At the same time, the government will not be able to keep guns out of their hands no matter how hard they try. Therefore, each "good" citizen, should be allowed to also obtain one of these weapons to protect themselves, even if it means a large swath of the population "on the bubble" of being criminal or not will have an impulsive and very dangerous and immediate way to become one when they otherwise wouldn't. There aren't really that many gun incidents in the grand scheme of things, either, but when they do occur they're hyped up like crazy because it ultimately draws ratings for advertisers. Those of us who are "good" can always build bigger fences and purchase better weapons and move to better neighborhoods than the bad guys if we are left to take care of ourselves, and we don't care if the society that results resembles the time in "Back to the Future" when Biff takes over the world. Plus, guns are awesome and it makes us feel masculine, and it's jobs and largesse for the arms manufacturing industry. Jack Palance does a one-armed pushup and smirks in your direction. Murrica. and Jesus.

Do I have it right?
 
2013-01-01 10:05:14 AM  

Giltric: Imagine how many people would be shiatting their pants when the news reports every instance of rape...

Firearm related homicide is on the decline....but media coverage of firearm related homicide is up.

I'd wager that more people died from alchohol poisoning than firearms last night...cause the statistics are in my favor....but farkers dont want to save lives if they would have to put the bottle down...

You dont really know how many red cars are on the road until you start counting them....


And we should ban red cars, because they cause prostate cancer in middle-aged men! Oh, and ice cream, too. It causes crime.

:-D
 
2013-01-01 10:05:45 AM  

Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So why exactly is it more tragic when multiple people are killed in a single incident instead of just a single person? Does the level of tragedy increase by a factor of 2 or something with every additional death? As in, 1 death is tragic, 2 deaths is twice as tragic, 3 deaths are four times as tragic? I am not trying to make light of any of those mass shootings, but they really are no more tragic than any other shooting. Trying to stop mass shootings is like putting a splint on someone's broken finger while they are bleeding from several gun shot wounds to the chest. Mass shootings are relatively rare events that have a negligible impact on firearm homicide rates in this country. The solution is NOT banning guns. That will not stop people from killing other people. And should we not be focused more on trying to stop that than cut down on the number of people that they kill? And that is what your basic argument boils down to. You are in essence saying, "Hey, go ahead and kill each other, just do it one at a time."

If I was suggestion a gun ban 'only', then you might have a point. But I'm sure that a massive upgrade to the government's ability to scan the populous for mental illness and remove the damaged from the larger population is also necessary.

No, banning guns won't make people stop trying to kill each other, but it'll make it a hell of a lot harder for people to kill each other. In China, the same day as the Lanza shootings, some lunatic stabbed 22 school children before he was killed by their police.

Not one child died.

My solution is one of damage-control and long term planning to remove the source of easy ...


Alcohol isn't designed to kill people. Guns are designed solely with the intent to kill. People can misuse alcohol and cause the death of themselves or others, but alcohol, in and of itself, is not a tool of death.

Guns are.
 
2013-01-01 10:05:56 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Article with more details & video

"Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," one witness said. "It sounded like a Glock."

Said a "witness" who reads entirely too much Dr. Seuss.
 
2013-01-01 10:06:01 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: m1gunr: California has the strictest gun laws in the country, how could this happen??

I always wonder about people like you. Do you think that the border is made of magic and people can't just ignore reasonable gun laws in one state by walking across the border to a state with unreasonable gun laws so as to arm themselves in ways that would otherwise have been illegal? Or do you just ignore the fact that "strictest" is relative and still relies heavily on the fact that it's by comparison to the rest of the country which, by and large, has no real restrictions to speak of until you start talking about things like anti tank guns and artillery?

Clarify your derp, please.


So people are going to recognize the 'reasonable gun laws' in the US and stop having them illegally shipped in from other countries through our borders, because it isn't like they are so porous that thousands upon thousands of drug shipments and millions of people haven't sneaked across...

Clarify your derp, please.
 
2013-01-01 10:06:10 AM  

Infernalist: letrole: Infernalist: But, even assuming a 'robust' black market you STILL have the case of people hiding these guns, lock them up, not bringing them out into public. Which only emphasizes the fact that the ban would 'work' at its purpose, removing guns from the public and making that public safer as a result.

This doesn't make any sense. None of the recent -- or not so recent -- spree killers had been seen walking around in public carrying any sort of firearms. Are you saying that you're offended if you see a gun rack in a pickup truck at WalMart? Is that what you're hoping to squelch?

Now again, I've had a poke or two at you, mainly because you're such an easy mark, but really dude, I'm being serious here.

You don't have a fooken clue.

I'm saying, and still am saying, that the only way to stop the gun violence problem is to remove the guns from society. You've yet to offer up anything that proves otherwise.


You would have to remove ALL guns - from police, military, other countries, etc.
 
2013-01-01 10:06:51 AM  

Infernalist: DubtodaIll: Infernalist: letrole: Infernalist: Not going to get drawn into a Civil War debate/tangent/derailing. Your 'historical freedom' to guns is as relevant as the 'historical freedom' to buy slaves.


There might be a lesson in there about the unintended consequences of banning stuff.

That would be...some retards cling to the past for no other reason than stupidity and tradition?

Ok wow I'm done with this one. 10/10. Ignore history? Guffaw!

I'll take that as your declaration of surrender.


We'll take that as your admission of ignorance
 
2013-01-01 10:07:13 AM  

Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to confiscate weapons from ...

Our borders are decidedly more sturdy and more carefully watched than Brazil's. And don't bring up the illegals. We want them here, so we turn a blind eye to their entering.

Secondly, you can't compare a handgun ban to Prohibition. Any retard with a still could make his own liquor and 'did' just that. But you can't grow distill gunpowder from corn. You can't refurbish a dishwasher and turn it into an AK-47. Will there be black marketeers bringing in guns? Certainly. But, even assuming a 'robust' black market you STILL have the case of people hiding these guns, lock them up, not bringing them out into public. Which only emphasizes the fact that the ban would 'work' at its purpose, removing guns from the public and making that public safer as a result.

So, even if people make their own guns and/or buy black market guns...we're still dealing with a society with dramatically reduced guns and resultant gun violence, and the problem will only decrease as time passes.


Or the people that have guns will then be tempted to enter the black market themselves when you bump the resale value of the weapons through the roof. If I could get $2000-$5000 for a handgun you're damn right I'm going to sell it.

If a "dumb redneck" could build a bomb out of legal components and blow up a federal building then why couldn't they make gun powder? It isn't that hard to make molds to form bullets and you can recycle brass casings for a long time. You can buy lead relatively cheap and you can store hundreds of thousands of primer caps in a very small space.

If I had the equipment and want to, I could make 300 rounds of ammo a day easy. If it became a full time job I could make 10x that and charge 10x the price of ammo today because I'd be the only guy doing it by your logic.
 
2013-01-01 10:07:13 AM  

Mock26: Giltric: Imagine how many people would be shiatting their pants when the news reports every instance of rape...

Firearm related homicide is on the decline....but media coverage of firearm related homicide is up.

I'd wager that more people died from alchohol poisoning than firearms last night...cause the statistics are in my favor....but farkers dont want to save lives if they would have to put the bottle down...

You dont really know how many red cars are on the road until you start counting them....

And we should ban red cars, because they cause prostate cancer in middle-aged men! Oh, and ice cream, too. It causes crime.

:-D


Ummm no...ice cream causes polio.
 
2013-01-01 10:07:21 AM  

Ow My Balls: Can I attempt to sum up the gun debate?

From the left: These devices are farkING DANGEROUS AS HELL and legal means are necessary to keep as many as possible out of the general population, which is full of idiots who otherwise wouldn't have such an impulsive, dangerous way to become a criminal in the first place. Maybe the number of shootings can be even cut in half? It's a worthy goal. We believe that the government, while run by human beings and thus open to corruption and incompetence, is still good at heart and efficacy overall, and can be trusted to carry out such actions. While we're at it, let's spend public money to try and help there to be fewer farking idiots, even if it means absurdly rich people will merely be adequately rich, because we believe it can actually make a noticeable difference, even if it takes several generations. We don't want a totally free society, just a good one, for Christ's sake. Now let's all get in a circle, hold hands, and sing, "Let There be Peace on Earth" and make some finger paintings...

From the right: There is nothing you can do about the massive number of farking idiots who comprise our society. They are going to exist in great abundance and that will never change no matter what we do, and attempts to try and amend that will only result in wasted money and efforts. The cream rises to the top, and to Hell with those who can't crawl out of it on their own. At the same time, the government will not be able to keep guns out of their hands no matter how hard they try. Therefore, each "good" citizen, should be allowed to also obtain one of these weapons to protect themselves, even if it means a large swath of the population "on the bubble" of being criminal or not will have an impulsive and very dangerous and immediate way to become one when they otherwise wouldn't. There aren't really that many gun incidents in the grand scheme of things, either, but when they do occur they're hyped up like crazy because it ultimately ...


I really don't like finger painting, though.
 
2013-01-01 10:07:27 AM  

JonnyG: Holy smokes. It's incredible how these stories get more and more convenient. The ban will be in place before the summer's out if the planners keep coming up with shocking headlines like this.


Just to make sure I'm following you correctly: Are you suggesting that gun control advocates in some way staged this shooting to further their cause?
 
2013-01-01 10:07:39 AM  

Infernalist: And here come the delusional fears of a tyrannical government that doesn't exist.


And never could again. amirite?
 
2013-01-01 10:09:54 AM  

JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: JSam21: Infernalist: Is this enough, people?

Have we had enough people killed by easy access handguns yet?

Have seen enough dead people yet?

How many people have to die before we finally admit that our obsession with handguns is to blame?

You're not Dirty Harry, John McClain, Rambo, or Jason Bourne. This is not a movie. The government is not going to turn into a dictatorship if handguns are banned.

How many people are we going to bury before we finally ban these things? Do you all need someone close to you shot and killed at one of these events before you'll see how destructive they are? Do you need to lose a wife? A child? A mother? A father? What's it going to take for you to abandon your gun fantasies?

How does that end anything?

Finally, a sensible question.

Banning handguns at the source(shutting down the factories) is a long term solution. The gun makers have spent 30+ years flooding this country with easy access handguns, saturating our society with guns and now turn around and use that very saturation as a reason to not ban guns. They've created this problem.

Banning the guns at the source will do little to stop gangland crime 'immediately'. But it 'will' stop it long term. Let me explain.

This is what would happen:

Handgun ban goes into effect. Immediately, all gun makers and gun sellers would be required to sell their guns at market cost to the government. They are allowed to sell single-shot hunting rifles, but no more handguns or automatic rifles.

Gun owners are given the chance to turn over their guns to be bought by the government, no questions asked, for full market cost. This buy-back would be a permanent feature of the ban. It would never end.

At this point, the government rolls in and takes down a few dozen wackjobs and survivalist compounds where there are verified stores of illegal weaponry. But, other than these lunatics, the government does nothing else to co ...


And yet, for all your industrious dedication to breaking the law, your contributions would be insignificant compared to the amount of ammunition and guns that enter society every day while they remain legal.

I would gladly trade this world for that one. I would gladly allow you to sit in your basement and let you churn out your 300 rounds per day, knowing that you'll never do anything with them but sit around and masturbate to the sight of your 'self-reliance'.
 
2013-01-01 10:10:03 AM  

blueswoman: wow. i can no longer tell how many of you are drunk, or really think that way.

*enlarges apocalypse cave*
*dives for cover*


happy new year, kid
 
2013-01-01 10:10:12 AM  

Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: Mock26: Infernalist: In a few decades, without a steady flood of new guns into society, gun crime would dry up. Criminals would still continue to commit crimes on each other and on the rest of us, but there wouldn't be anymore massacres. No more school shooting, movie shootings, daycare shootings.

So why exactly is it more tragic when multiple people are killed in a single incident instead of just a single person? Does the level of tragedy increase by a