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2012-12-31 11:47:07 PM
"Please join us in absolute poverty. Thanks"
 
2012-12-31 11:53:30 PM
When he means "compromise", he means it like the GOP definition.
 
2012-12-31 11:56:23 PM
Believe it when I see it
 
2012-12-31 11:59:11 PM
Maybe he really wants the best for the North Korean people, if he's been brainwashed into thinking that is his duty, he might annoy all the generals by actually trying to do what is best.
 
2013-01-01 12:01:15 AM
I'm not falling for that Un
 
2013-01-01 12:04:05 AM
Conspicuously absent from Kim's speech was any mention of the nuclear arms program.

That would be because that's the bargaining chip to get aid with.
 
2013-01-01 12:22:56 AM
My baby is being deployed there in February. There shall now be a crisis. Happy farking new year.
 
2013-01-01 12:26:07 AM
Its a step in the right direction.  If I remember correctly he's been educated outside North Korea, and knows what a big beautiful world is out there, and just what a shiathole his own country is.  He's new to the position, and doesn't have as much face to lose as his father did, so this could be the first of many steps towards some sort of peace agreement and moving North Korea out of sanctions.

Regardless of what you think of their government, the people of North Korea deserve a better life.
 
2013-01-01 12:28:02 AM
Here's the full transcript.

http://tinyurl.com/bk4stfo
 
2013-01-01 12:37:19 AM
This deal sounds easier to do than the fiscal cliff deal. I say go for it.
 
2013-01-01 12:38:22 AM
I just realized that Kim Jong-un is younger than me.
 
2013-01-01 12:49:26 AM

violentsalvation: I just realized that Kim Jong-un is younger than me.


I'm not going to be the first to make a Jong-un joke. Unless this counts but I'm not funny.
 
2013-01-01 12:51:42 AM
Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...

i1079.photobucket.com
That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please...
 
2013-01-01 01:09:36 AM
Those Crazy kids..I wish nothing but the best for them.

/srsly
 
2013-01-01 01:11:11 AM
He can end hostilities by pointing his artillery somewhere else, for starters.
 
2013-01-01 01:11:43 AM
He just wants a new Kia Optima. I bet he saw that commercial with Motley Crue in it and thinks they're some hip new band.
 
2013-01-01 01:12:32 AM
I'm hopefull.
 
2013-01-01 01:14:02 AM
He grew up in Switzerland, and has spent the last year since Papa died consolidating his power.

Let's not reject this out of hand. He may just be feeling secure enough to say "F*ck you, generals, I want to rejoin the rest of the modern world again." Anyway, never mind what we think, what do China and Japan think about this?
 
2013-01-01 01:14:11 AM
It will be awesome if this happens.

But we'll see.
 
2013-01-01 01:14:40 AM
"An important issue in putting an end to the division of the country and achieving its reunification is to remove confrontation between the north and the south," a fat Moe Howard said in the address that appeared to be pre-recorded and was made at an undisclosed location.
 
2013-01-01 01:14:41 AM

ShawnDoc: Its a step in the right direction.  If I remember correctly he's been educated outside North Korea, and knows what a big beautiful world is out there, and just what a shiathole his own country is.  He's new to the position, and doesn't have as much face to lose as his father did, so this could be the first of many steps towards some sort of peace agreement and moving North Korea out of sanctions.

Regardless of what you think of their government, the people of North Korea deserve a better life.


I like your positive outlook.
 
2013-01-01 01:15:01 AM
And to think, I just accidentally married a hooker. I'm not even straight. What was I thinking?
 
2013-01-01 01:16:08 AM
But it's a privilege to be part of Best Korea!

/kinda saw this coming, but not this soon
 
2013-01-01 01:16:16 AM
And this isn't a img1.fark.net?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.
 
2013-01-01 01:17:39 AM
And the 2nd Infantry Division can be the best man at the wedding and then finally GTFO of the lives of Korea. Seriously, the cease fire was almost 60 years ago.
 
2013-01-01 01:18:03 AM

way south: He can end hostilities by pointing his artillery somewhere else, for starters.


He might have to point it at China

At which time if he happens to have nukes handy they might actually have to let him pull an East Germany
 
2013-01-01 01:18:59 AM
He must be ronery. So ronery
 
2013-01-01 01:20:27 AM
That's all well and good, but the generals who LIKE the old system may not be as willing to join the 21st century.

But best of luck (not snarky, being serious on this one) to him for trying.
 
2013-01-01 01:20:46 AM

Gyrfalcon: Let's not reject this out of hand. He may just be feeling secure enough to say "F*ck you, generals, I want to rejoin the rest of the modern world again."


If he's serious, I give it three months before he dies in a mysterious accident with no witnesses.
 
2013-01-01 01:21:38 AM

ShawnDoc: Its a step in the right direction.  If I remember correctly he's been educated outside North Korea, and knows what a big beautiful world is out there, and just what a shiathole his own country is.  He's new to the position, and doesn't have as much face to lose as his father did, so this could be the first of many steps towards some sort of peace agreement and moving North Korea out of sanctions.

Regardless of what you think of their government, the people of North Korea deserve a better life.


+1

Perhaps he is genuinely trying to look out for the future of his people, or perhaps he is starting to pay attention to what's been happening to many of the unloved Middle Eastern dictators in the past couple of years.

Either way, if it actually leads to North Korea joining the modern world it's a good thing.
 
2013-01-01 01:23:50 AM
Holy crap!
It's a trap!
 
2013-01-01 01:24:22 AM

NecoConeco: Here's the full transcript.

http://tinyurl.com/bk4stfo


Reading that, it sounds like he wants reunification by the south embracing Juche. Which would be the same crap that's come out of the north for 60 years. One Korea has always been the North's vision.
 
2013-01-01 01:24:33 AM

ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.


Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.
 
2013-01-01 01:26:34 AM

MorrisBird: My baby is being deployed there in February. There shall now be a crisis. Happy farking new year.


They deploy babies now?
 
2013-01-01 01:28:17 AM

Mazzic518: They deploy babies now?


i32.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-01 01:29:42 AM
I want' to believe, Dude Jong-un, but Best Korea's track record with clear and honest communication isn't all that I'd hope it to be. How about if you start with free, unfiltered, universal internet access for all your citizens? Let them see what the real world is like. In exchange, we'll airlift in buttloads of food and medicine. Full minds and full tummies are a good starting point.
 
2013-01-01 01:29:57 AM

Yoyo: Seriously, the cease fire was almost 60 years ago.


Cease Fire. Not peace treaty. Technically, the North and South are still at war, and it marks the longest official conflict that the United States has ever been in, the GWOT being the second longest followed by Vietnam.
 
2013-01-01 01:31:26 AM

bmihura: I like your positive outlook.


Thanks.  Just look at Burma and the progress they made in just two years.  If you'd asked me 3 years ago if they'd change during my lifetime without a full scale civil war or western involvement, I'd have said you were crazy.  They've still got a long ways to go, but the developments have been very positive.

You've got a brand new leader in North Korea, he's got his country making peace noises for the first time ever, and my guess is provided he can avoid a coup and keep a hold on power, he just might be serious about making things better for his people and international relations in general.
 
2013-01-01 01:32:10 AM
IIRC he was educated in Switzerland and knows damned well what the rest of the world is like.

I am hoping that he will somehow find a way to bring best Korea out of their tailspin and let them rejoin the rest of the world.

I just wonder how much power he actually has, and how much influence the old school generals and officials have over policy.
 
2013-01-01 01:34:21 AM
I live in South Korea, so the transcript is blocked. Can I get a copy paste up in here?
 
2013-01-01 01:35:05 AM
So, let me get this straight... if he pulls this off he gets the Nobel Peace Prize, becomes a national hero in the North and South of, well... Korea, and can probably get hisself get elected legitimately for anything even if he starts off as fat as President Taft was when he took office. Would being educated in Europe make that kind of thing an interesting prospect?
 
2013-01-01 01:36:02 AM

pvrhye: I live in South Korea, so the transcript is blocked. Can I get a copy paste up in here?


Well, do you remember all those artillery cannons they have aimed at Seoul?
 
2013-01-01 01:39:26 AM

TuteTibiImperes: +1

Perhaps he is genuinely trying to look out for the future of his people, or perhaps he is starting to pay attention to what's been happening to many of the unloved Middle Eastern dictators in the past couple of years.

Either way, if it actually leads to North Korea joining the modern world it's a good thing.


I think its going to be a slow process though.  He's got to keep the military on his side, and the culture has had half of century of being told how evil the rest of the world was, and how great their country is.  Even without worrying about the military, managing the public's views on the rest of the world along with the realizations that all the "western propaganda" was actually true, and their government has been lying to them for so long is going to be real risky.
 
2013-01-01 01:40:14 AM
(Reuters) - North Korean leader Kim Jong-un called for an end to confrontation between the two Koreas, technically still at war in the absence of a peace treaty to end their 1950-53 conflict, in a surprise New Year speech broadcast on state media.

The address by Kim, who took over power in the reclusive state after his father, Kim Jong-il, died in 2011, appeared to take the place of the policy-setting New Year editorial published in leading state newspapers.

Impoverished North Korea raised tensions in the region by launching a long-range rocket in December that it said was aimed at putting a scientific satellite in orbit, drawing international condemnation.

North Korea, which considers North and South as one country, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, is banned from testing missile or nuclear technology under U.N. sanctions imposed after its 2006 and 2009 nuclear weapons tests.

"An important issue in putting an end to the division of the country and achieving its reunification is to remove confrontation between the north and the south," Kim said in the address that appeared to be pre-recorded and was made at an undisclosed location.

"The past records of inter-Korean relations show that confrontation between fellow countrymen leads to nothing but war."

The New Year address was the first in 19 years by a North Korean leader after the death of Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-un's grandfather. Kim Jong-il rarely spoke in public and disclosed his national policy agenda in editorials in state newspapers.

The two Koreas have seen tensions rise to the highest level in decades after the North bombed a Southern island in 2010 killing two civilians and two soldiers.

The sinking of a South Korean navy ship earlier that year was blamed on the North but Pyongyang has denied it and accused Seoul of waging a smear campaign against its leadership.

Last month, South Korea elected as president Park Geun-hye, a conservative daughter of assassinated military ruler Park Chung-hee whom Kim Il-sung had tried to kill at the height of their Cold War confrontation.

Park has vowed to pursue engagement with the North and called for dialogue to build confidence but has demanded that Pyongyang abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions, something it is unlikely to do.

Conspicuously absent from Kim's speech was any mention of the nuclear arms program.

(Reporting by Jack Kim; Editing by Nick Macfie)
 
2013-01-01 01:40:31 AM

cman: When he means "compromise", he means it like the GOP definition.


That's..... just beautiful man!
 
2013-01-01 01:41:05 AM

MorrisBird: My baby is being deployed there in February. There shall now be a crisis. Happy farking new year.


Many babies have been deployed here. Tell him to go to the Imjin Pub, we'll take care of him.
 
2013-01-01 01:42:48 AM
From the speach : "An important issue in putting an end to the division of the country and achieving its reunification is to remove confrontation between the north and the south,"

Ending the division places the country under rule of one form of government or the other. I doubt that he and his team are planning on handing over the reins to Seoul to run that which was formerly theirs.

Also : "The past records of inter-Korean relations show that confrontation between fellow countrymen leads to nothing but war."

That sounds vaguely like a threat.
 
2013-01-01 01:43:26 AM

Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.


The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.
 
2013-01-01 01:44:45 AM
 
2013-01-01 01:44:59 AM
IF dude is smart, he'll actually do this.

IF.

He would be THE MAN!

Like Gorbachev. Only fatter.
 
2013-01-01 01:45:12 AM
Put some Raybans on the little feller and he'd be a natural for President of the United States of Gangnam
 
2013-01-01 01:46:11 AM
You know who else took control of a dictatorship and then claimed to want to end hostilities and make his country better?

eldalin.com

Wait a minute ... that meme didn't do what I expected.
 
2013-01-01 01:48:13 AM
Wow... I'm actually surprised Fark let me post that much text.

Don't tell the politics tab.
 
2013-01-01 01:48:42 AM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.


This!!!
 
2013-01-01 01:49:08 AM

spawn73: Maybe he really wants the best for the North Korean people, if he's been brainwashed into thinking that is his duty, he might annoy all the generals by actually trying to do what is best.


Highly doubt it. I bet He plans to do what the leaders of China did and ran sack the money coming in once the county starts letting companies in and then funnel it to leadership. The original eight chinese revolutionary families are worth millions/billions and it has been passed down generations. I have a feeling someone finally got a clue in best Korea and saw how much money they are losing out by being idiots.
 
2013-01-01 01:52:12 AM
Threadjack:

Happy New Year, ya humps.

/threadjack
 
2013-01-01 01:52:32 AM
North Korea does this all the time. The stance is that, regardless of how much better off economically South Korea is, deep down they secretly want to reunify with North Korea. On North Korea's terms, of course.

South Korea's stance towards the whole thing is basically 'Meh. We can wait around until you either stop being giant dickbags or starve to death. We've got no preference. Until one of those two things happens, just go on and keep running your mouth.'
 
2013-01-01 01:53:20 AM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.


I've never thought to comment much on Fark, and when I did, never really had much of a conversation. I have enjoyed Fark because it provided up to date news, something that socially driven voting sites don't do that well; and to read commentary. While commentary on big subreddits is less the enjoyable, I've found the commentary on specific subreddits quite useful and easy to take part in. Also, the message board structure of the comments here has become kind of tiresome to navigate.

Both sites have their scope and breadth I guess.
 
2013-01-01 01:54:20 AM
It's a trap.
 
2013-01-01 01:54:47 AM
Somebody misses Twinkies!
 
2013-01-01 01:54:54 AM

cman: When he means "compromise", he means it like the GOP definition.


Or the left's definition.
 
2013-01-01 01:55:21 AM
I think what he means is "It's time for the country to unify under the North Korean leadership. Don't get too excited.
 
2013-01-01 01:56:29 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.

This!!!


I agree with this to. Reddit is great if you are between 14-26ish and you feel that you are the center of the world and only your world view is correct. Not to mention moderation is worse than here and run by a bunch of ego maniacs to say the least who are always power tripping. It's just not worth putting up with I would rather stay here.
 
2013-01-01 01:56:46 AM
While we're at it, can we end the sanctions against Cuba as well? Is the west so insecure about their form of government that we have to keep this silly Cold War policy in place?

/as we've proven with China, democracies and dictatorships can get along in harmony
 
2013-01-01 01:57:52 AM
What would happen if Best Korea suddenly decided to open the border and dissolve its government? Millions and millions of starving people would suddenly be the responsibility of South Korea, who could hardly refuse to help their fellow Koreans. My guess is that it'd take down the South Korean economy and a good part of the world economy at the same time.

If there is going to be one Korea, it's going to have to reunified slowly and carefully. Hopefully this is a first step.
 
2013-01-01 01:59:05 AM

Oysterman: Wow... I'm actually surprised Fark let me post that much text.

Don't tell the politics tab.


Bad news for you Oysterman....
 
2013-01-01 02:00:39 AM

PhiloeBedoe: Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...
[i1079.photobucket.com image 460x276]
That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please...


I have been watching all the M*A*S*H episodes from the beginning over the holiday vacation so I'm getting a kick out of this post.

I also really hope for peaceful reunification of the peninsula for the sake of the N.Korean people. Like others have said KJU has been out of the country so, unlike the average North Korean, he knows how bad his country really is in comparison.

North Korea is a laughing stock and irrelevant shiathole to the rest of the world. He is going to be either mocked or completely ignored wherever he goes. Who wants to be leader of a country like that?

There is probably an element of economics at play here too. The bad economy has hit China pretty hard and they're probably looking to cut the dead weight.
 
2013-01-01 02:00:54 AM

Electrify: While we're at it, can we end the sanctions against Cuba as well? Is the west so insecure about their form of government that we have to keep this silly Cold War policy in place?

/as we've proven with China, democracies and dictatorships can get along in harmony



Patience Grasshopper, we're still waiting for Fidel to kick the bucket. Shouldn't be long now I reckon.
 
2013-01-01 02:02:28 AM
It's all bullshiat. He's not even the real Kim Jong un. Kim Jong il's true son is caucasian billionaire Gustav Graves

thearchnemesis.com

We must not let him unify the koreas, but we'll need an invisible car
 
2013-01-01 02:02:52 AM

ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.


I'll take it you're from reddit?

The reason this isn't a newsflash is because North Korea does this, or some other seeming act-of-good-will, repeatedly every few years, to gain the goodwill of the international community and abuse food donations. Then, once it gets what it wants it goes off and does some insane shiat (I believe the last time it was their nuclear testing underground?).

The only reason why it merits the interesting tag is because North Korea is under new (untested) leadership, but everyone around here (and most likely the international community) will be wary of whatever they may be trying to pull off. Kim Jong-Il burnt a lot of bridges in his time, and I'd be surprised if anyone wants to even have talks. As far as I know, South Korea isn't looking for a reunification since the North is so impoverished that they'd be a burden on their developing economy.

/rant
 
2013-01-01 02:03:34 AM

pvrhye: I live in South Korea, so the transcript is blocked. Can I get a copy paste up in here?


http://pastebin.com/qbdqryTv
 
2013-01-01 02:06:17 AM

BronyMedic: Yoyo: Seriously, the cease fire was almost 60 years ago.

Cease Fire. Not peace treaty. Technically, the North and South are still at war, and it marks the longest official conflict that the United States has ever been in, the GWOT being the second longest followed by Vietnam.


This is the crap you're left with when you don't fight a war to win.
 
2013-01-01 02:10:22 AM
A) "Unity" likely means unified under North Korean rule

B) Even if he DOES mean to unify in some relatively democratic fashion, remember what the addition of East Germany did to the economy of unified Germany - while it's taken a decade or two to get things under control, the disparity meant that half the country was a drag on the other half while the brainwashed easterners re-learned market economics and had to do without at least a little of the public teat the Communist regime had them suckling on. On the other hand, the Stasi went away in a hurry.

C) It's been said before in this thread, but I, too, think he's just ronery...
 
2013-01-01 02:10:31 AM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.


Shah, wtf are you talking about? I know re(ddit)post has it's issues but to say the commentary on fark is the breadwinner?

i219.photobucket.com

Nothing but bullshiat and shills, and at least that crap gets downvoted out of most threads and off the frontpage, as opposed to the active encouragement of it here. Sometimes it's nice to see actual discussions about topics as opposed to shiatslinging. Still hate adviceanimals though, jesus.

/oh, and good for Best Leader, if he manages it
 
2013-01-01 02:13:58 AM

arenaninja: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

I'll take it you're from reddit?

The reason this isn't a newsflash is because North Korea does this, or some other seeming act-of-good-will, repeatedly every few years, to gain the goodwill of the international community and abuse food donations. Then, once it gets what it wants it goes off and does some insane shiat (I believe the last time it was their nuclear testing underground?).

The only reason why it merits the interesting tag is because North Korea is under new (untested) leadership, but everyone around here (and most likely the international community) will be wary of whatever they may be trying to pull off. Kim Jong-Il burnt a lot of bridges in his time, and I'd be surprised if anyone wants to even have talks. As far as I know, South Korea isn't looking for a reunification since the North is so impoverished that they'd be a burden on their developing economy.

/rant


Dude's handle is a couple years older than yours. Mind yer elders.
 
2013-01-01 02:14:56 AM

TheGhostofFarkPast: tinfoil-hat maggie: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.

This!!!

I agree with this to. Reddit is great if you are between 14-26ish and you feel that you are the center of the world and only your world view is correct. Not to mention moderation is worse than here and run by a bunch of ego maniacs to say the least who are always power tripping. It's just not worth putting up with I would rather stay here.


And you haven't even gotten to the comment formatting craziness, but yeah all those other things as well.
 
2013-01-01 02:15:47 AM
thearchnemesis.com

"I love the Power Glove. It's so bad."
 
2013-01-01 02:15:49 AM

Yugoboy: A) "Unity" likely means unified under North Korean rule

B) Even if he DOES mean to unify in some relatively democratic fashion, remember what the addition of East Germany did to the economy of unified Germany - while it's taken a decade or two to get things under control, the disparity meant that half the country was a drag on the other half while the brainwashed easterners re-learned market economics and had to do without at least a little of the public teat the Communist regime had them suckling on. On the other hand, the Stasi went away in a hurry.

C) It's been said before in this thread, but I, too, think he's just ronery...


Who said anything about unity? He was talking about steps to peace. I don't see N and S Koreas becoming unified for a while. Unifying anything at this stage would end badly. But having N Korea calm its shiat down, start talking, and start letting the trade in? That would be  amazing. And this guy's a) been raised, hopefully, to do his duty to his people and b) been in the rest of the world. So there's a chance. Slim, but there.
 
2013-01-01 02:17:54 AM

shArkh: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.

Shah, wtf are you talking about? I know re(ddit)post has it's issues but to say the commentary on fark is the breadwinner?

[i219.photobucket.com image 679x517]

Nothing but bullshiat and shills, and at least that crap gets downvoted out of most threads and off the frontpage, as opposed to the active encouragement of it here. Sometimes it's nice to see actual discussions about topics as opposed to shiatslinging. Still hate adviceanimals though, jesus.

/oh, and good for Best Leader, if he manages it


And that's why you're here isn't it, you keep getting down voted over there?
; )
 
2013-01-01 02:17:58 AM

Brick-House: This is the crap you're left with when you don't fight a war to win.


No, this is what you get when you decide that you'd rather not fight a war with the most populous nation in the world just 6 years after the most brutal war in history.

/but this is still an awesome scene: SAY IT! SAY IT!
 
2013-01-01 02:19:26 AM

Mad_Radhu: [thearchnemesis.com image 300x298]

"I love the Power Glove. It's so bad."


thearchnemesis.com

"....Groooovy."
 
2013-01-01 02:19:34 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: TheGhostofFarkPast: tinfoil-hat maggie: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.

This!!!

I agree with this to. Reddit is great if you are between 14-26ish and you feel that you are the center of the world and only your world view is correct. Not to mention moderation is worse than here and run by a bunch of ego maniacs to say the least who are always power tripping. It's just not worth putting up with I would rather stay here.

And you haven't even gotten to the comment formatting craziness, but yeah all those other things as well.


I actually prefer Reddit's comment tree structure. No searching up and down a wall of text. Replys automatically sent as a message with notification. A tree structure to keep different topics from getting mixed together. The ability to minimize a comment section you have no interest in reading.
 
2013-01-01 02:23:14 AM

PsiChick: Yugoboy: A) "Unity" likely means unified under North Korean rule

B) Even if he DOES mean to unify in some relatively democratic fashion, remember what the addition of East Germany did to the economy of unified Germany - while it's taken a decade or two to get things under control, the disparity meant that half the country was a drag on the other half while the brainwashed easterners re-learned market economics and had to do without at least a little of the public teat the Communist regime had them suckling on. On the other hand, the Stasi went away in a hurry.

C) It's been said before in this thread, but I, too, think he's just ronery...

Who said anything about unity? He was talking about steps to peace. I don't see N and S Koreas becoming unified for a while. Unifying anything at this stage would end badly. But having N Korea calm its shiat down, start talking, and start letting the trade in? That would be  amazing. And this guy's a) been raised, hopefully, to do his duty to his people and b) been in the rest of the world. So there's a chance. Slim, but there.


Yep, If NK implodes that's bad for everyone, S. Koreans, Chinese, Japan, probably even Russia.. Maintaining a stable change over of economic systems should be the cheapest route. I wish the people of North Korea the best in this New Year and hope that's what it means.
 
2013-01-01 02:24:46 AM
Just imagine, somewhere in North Korea could be the next Starcraft King. He's just waiting for his chance.
Perhaps South Korea knows this?
I don't want to be there for the Korean Starcraft Civil War.

shArkh:
Nothing but bullshiat and shills, and at least that crap gets downvoted out of most threads and off the frontpage, as opposed to the active encouragement of it here. Sometimes it's nice to see actual discussions about topics as opposed to shiatslinging. Still hate adviceanimals though, jesus.



Nah, reddit is garbage. Karma-whoring and downvoting destroys discussion. If you enjoy emotional circle jerking then that's the place to be. (or if you like running 4chan memes into the ground)
I'll never have an account there, and have only visited from direct links.
I won't support that system.
 
2013-01-01 02:27:16 AM
Just watch out for those three Vulcan ships coming across the Neutral Zone...

Hate to break it to the glass half-full types in here, but the North has been pretty consistant in voicing a desire for reunification. It is used as a tool to relieve tensions, but it never goes beyond rhetoric. And it is becoming less effective at relieving tension; while older Koreans view reunification as necessary and inevitable, younger South Koreans (for whom it has "always" been this way) view it as a threat to their nations' prosperity and are much more wary when the subject is brought up.
 
2013-01-01 02:32:20 AM

Wakosane: I actually prefer Reddit's comment tree structure. No searching up and down a wall of text. Replys automatically sent as a message with notification. A tree structure to keep different topics from getting mixed together. The ability to minimize a comment section you have no interest in reading.


Really? I farking detest comment trees. Always have. In my opinion, they're nothing more than an ugly, unusable blight that the rest of the Internet was right to do away with. Hell, that's the main reason why I've never had a Reddit account.
 
2013-01-01 02:33:27 AM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: He just wants a new Kia Optima. I bet he saw that commercial with Motley Crue in it and thinks they're some hip new band.


No, Supreme Leader is trying to create some buzz for his upcoming single, "Pyongyang Style."
 
2013-01-01 02:37:54 AM

ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.


If it were likely to lead to any actual change, then yes, it would be a newsflash.  But saying "we want peace" doesn't really mean anything, especially given the number of times North Korea has said that before.

It could be the first step towards some real positive change.  I hope so.  But I'm not holding my breath.
 
2013-01-01 02:37:59 AM
s1.reutersmedia.net

Before it was photoshopped, there was only one mic.
 
2013-01-01 02:40:24 AM

arenaninja: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

I'll take it you're from reddit?


OK, but you'd be wrong.

Just an old timer who's whining about "the good old days". You know, before Drew became (openly) a whore and trolly-troll headlines were fewer and further between.

And Newsflashes were about, you know, news, and not about Kardashians or American Idol.

Wakosane: I actually prefer Reddit's comment tree structure.


There's an appuserscript for that.
 
2013-01-01 02:56:22 AM

BronyMedic: Yoyo: Seriously, the cease fire was almost 60 years ago.

Cease Fire. Not peace treaty. Technically, the North and South are still at war, and it marks the longest official conflict that the United States has ever been in, the GWOT being the second longest followed by Vietnam.


I am all too aware of this. Actually, #2 isn't GWOT. It's Kosovo since '99.
 
2013-01-01 02:58:58 AM

arenaninja: The reason this isn't a newsflash is because North Korea does this, or some other seeming act-of-good-will, repeatedly every few years, to gain the goodwill of the international community and abuse food donations.


Why would (my guess) a mostly agrarian economy need food donations?
 
2013-01-01 03:00:27 AM
No matter what happens, dude needs to lose some weight and get a little sunshine.
 
2013-01-01 03:03:07 AM

Electrify: While we're at it, can we end the sanctions against Cuba as well? Is the west so insecure about their form of government that we have to keep this silly Cold War policy in place?


We need North Korea to sell expensive weapons to South Korea and Japan. It's more important to blindly hate North Korea than making peace.

/you can see that democratic countries do brainwash people just like in China and North Korea
 
2013-01-01 03:06:28 AM
No peace until the return of the USS Pueblo. Period.
 
2013-01-01 03:09:29 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Wakosane: I actually prefer Reddit's comment tree structure. No searching up and down a wall of text. Replys automatically sent as a message with notification. A tree structure to keep different topics from getting mixed together. The ability to minimize a comment section you have no interest in reading.

Really? I farking detest comment trees. Always have. In my opinion, they're nothing more than an ugly, unusable blight that the rest of the Internet was right to do away with. Hell, that's the main reason why I've never had a Reddit account.


Thank you, I'm glad I'm not alone in this.
 
2013-01-01 03:13:20 AM

SweetHomeNowhere: We need North Korea to sell expensive weapons to South Korea and Japan.


why do we need north korea to sell weapons? don't we want them to not sell weapons?
 
2013-01-01 03:23:20 AM

log_jammin: SweetHomeNowhere: We need North Korea to sell expensive weapons to South Korea and Japan.

why do we need north korea to sell weapons? don't we want them to not sell weapons?


We, America, need the boogeyman of North Korea to be around, so that South Korea and Japan will continue to buy weapons from us, is what he meant to say.
 
2013-01-01 03:31:11 AM

Crudbucket: We, America, need the boogeyman of North Korea to be around, so that South Korea and Japan will continue to buy weapons from us, is what he meant to say.


I know.
 
2013-01-01 03:37:59 AM
Embrace.
Extend.
Extinguish.

Works in business and I bet you money that's what Best Korea is trying here. Play nice, reunite, and then take over the whole show, this time with major industrial infrastructure and technology.

Truly, I believe history well demonstrates that the best thing to do with NK is not to trust a single word that comes from their mouths.
 
2013-01-01 03:48:08 AM

log_jammin: Crudbucket: We, America, need the boogeyman of North Korea to be around, so that South Korea and Japan will continue to buy weapons from us, is what he meant to say.

I know.


Do you?
 
2013-01-01 03:54:25 AM

Crudbucket: log_jammin: Crudbucket: We, America, need the boogeyman of North Korea to be around, so that South Korea and Japan will continue to buy weapons from us, is what he meant to say.

I know.

Do you?


I do.
 
2013-01-01 04:01:59 AM

Drunk Astronaut: Embrace.
Extend.
Extinguish.

Works in business and I bet you money that's what Best Korea is trying here. Play nice, reunite, and then take over the whole show, this time with major industrial infrastructure and technology.

Truly, I believe history well demonstrates that the best thing to do with NK is not to trust a single word that comes from their mouths.


Go home, Astronaut, you're drunk. ; )

But seriously, you don't think there's any way to even begin discussions to opening a half assed line of communication between SK and NK?
 
2013-01-01 04:02:34 AM

Dull Cow Eyes: arenaninja: The reason this isn't a newsflash is because North Korea does this, or some other seeming act-of-good-will, repeatedly every few years, to gain the goodwill of the international community and abuse food donations.

Why would (my guess) a mostly agrarian economy need food donations?


Because North Korea's agricultural system is a total disaster, just like in every other country that has applied Soviet-style central planning to agriculture.
 
2013-01-01 04:11:09 AM

shArkh: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.

Shah, wtf are you talking about? I know re(ddit)post has it's issues but to say the commentary on fark is the breadwinner?

[i219.photobucket.com image 679x517]

Nothing but bullshiat and shills, and at least that crap gets downvoted out of most threads and off the frontpage, as opposed to the active encouragement of it here. Sometimes it's nice to see actual discussions about topics as opposed to shiatslinging. Still hate adviceanimals though, jesus.

/oh, and good for Best Leader, if he manages it


Oh please. The average Farker has two or three times as much wit as the average Redditor. For every article that has a light response, there's another article that has a few hundred responses, most of which actually intelligent, unlike the aforementioned circle-jerk of 'karma' AWs.

If you haven't had an intelligent conversation on Fark, keep trying. It took a while, but people here actually speak to me, unlike the collection of horny teens which mainly comprise Reddit. They're even worse if you're female and dare to stand up for yourself in opposition of the 'men's world'.
 
2013-01-01 04:11:19 AM

Gosling: North Korea does this all the time. The stance is that, regardless of how much better off economically South Korea is, deep down they secretly want to reunify with North Korea. On North Korea's terms, of course.

South Korea's stance towards the whole thing is basically 'Meh. We can wait around until you either stop being giant dickbags or starve to death. We've got no preference. Until one of those two things happens, just go on and keep running your mouth.'


I teach adults in Korea, and they talk about it all the time. They want it so much they actually turn a blind eye to nearly everything NK does. After the Cheonon, after Yangpyeong-do, within a couple weeks the conversation was back to Japan's claim (though not occupation) of an essentially uninhabited pair of rocks in the sea. I love Koreans, but sometimes I'm baffled by how quick they are to forgive NK.
 
2013-01-01 04:18:24 AM

anfrind: Dull Cow Eyes: arenaninja: The reason this isn't a newsflash is because North Korea does this, or some other seeming act-of-good-will, repeatedly every few years, to gain the goodwill of the international community and abuse food donations.

Why would (my guess) a mostly agrarian economy need food donations?

Because North Korea's agricultural system is a total disaster, just like in every other country that has applied Soviet-style central planning to agriculture.


North Korea has far less quality farmland than South Korea. If it was well run they would have enough to feed everyone and not much left over. It isn't well run.
 
2013-01-01 04:20:40 AM

pvrhye: I love Koreans, but sometimes I'm baffled by how quick they are to forgive NK.


This is when the ethnic nationalism comes into play. Japan does the same thing.
 
2013-01-01 04:22:57 AM

ladyfortuna: Oh please. The average Farker has two or three times as much wit as the average Redditor. For every article that has a light response, there's another article that has a few hundred responses, most of which actually intelligent, unlike the aforementioned circle-jerk of 'karma' AWs.


Step 1: Ask "Has anyone played this game before?", post link to box art for Super Mario Bros.
Step 2: 3,000 upvotes.
Step 3: ???
 
2013-01-01 04:24:48 AM

SweetHomeNowhere: Japan does the same thing.


what do you mean?
 
2013-01-01 04:26:50 AM

log_jammin: Crudbucket: log_jammin: Crudbucket: We, America, need the boogeyman of North Korea to be around, so that South Korea and Japan will continue to buy weapons from us, is what he meant to say.

I know.

Do you?

I do.


Then I now pronounce you man and wife!
 
2013-01-01 04:27:53 AM

ShawnDoc: bmihura: I like your positive outlook.

Thanks.  Just look at Burma and the progress they made in just two years.  If you'd asked me 3 years ago if they'd change during my lifetime without a full scale civil war or western involvement, I'd have said you were crazy.  They've still got a long ways to go, but the developments have been very positive.

You've got a brand new leader in North Korea, he's got his country making peace noises for the first time ever, and my guess is provided he can avoid a coup and keep a hold on power, he just might be serious about making things better for his people and international relations in general.


Don't forget that Burma had the deadliest and most costly disaster with Cyclone Nargis in 2008. 140,000 deaths and $10 billion in damage(more than 10% of Burma's GDP!) is enough to start serious change in any country.
 
2013-01-01 04:29:41 AM
1funny.com
 
2013-01-01 04:30:41 AM

ShawnDoc: He's got to keep the military on his side, and the culture has had half of century of being told how evil the rest of the world was, and how great their country is.


They are gonna be so pissed when they find out the truth
 
2013-01-01 04:35:59 AM

Mike_LowELL: ladyfortuna: Oh please. The average Farker has two or three times as much wit as the average Redditor. For every article that has a light response, there's another article that has a few hundred responses, most of which actually intelligent, unlike the aforementioned circle-jerk of 'karma' AWs.

Step 1: Ask "Has anyone played this game before?", post link to box art for Super Mario Bros.
Step 2: 3,000 upvotes.
Step 3: ???


*shudder*

(Also, there was supposed to be an 'are' in front of intelligent, but my intelligence steadily reduces after midnight, then by a factor of 3 after this much wine...)
 
2013-01-01 04:36:33 AM
There's something very Game of Thrones about all of this.
 
2013-01-01 04:41:34 AM

Crudbucket: Then I now pronounce you man and wife!


now I have to kiss someone
 
2013-01-01 04:55:08 AM

ShawnDoc: Its a step in the right direction.  If I remember correctly he's been educated outside North Korea, and knows what a big beautiful world is out there, and just what a shiathole his own country is.  He's new to the position, and doesn't have as much face to lose as his father did, so this could be the first of many steps towards some sort of peace agreement and moving North Korea out of sanctions.

Regardless of what you think of their government, the people of North Korea deserve a better life.


Exactly.
 
2013-01-01 05:08:08 AM

MorrisBird: My baby is being deployed there in February. There shall now be a crisis. Happy farking new year.


I was a soldier in Korea when Kim Il Sung died in 1994. Try not to worry too much. It was a life changing experience for a 22 year old, and not in a bad way. Encourage your baby to see the country. Visit if you can. It is worth it.
 
2013-01-01 05:12:07 AM
North Korea has been wanting to, uh, "join" South Korea forever. It's a euphemism for "taking over," since South Korea obviously has such a difficult time with its prosperity. NK has used "reunification" before, but it's FAR from being an olive branch.
 
2013-01-01 05:42:19 AM

Mazzic518: MorrisBird: My baby is being deployed there in February. There shall now be a crisis. Happy farking new year.

They deploy babies now?


They wait until they're eighteen so... yes.
 
2013-01-01 05:51:31 AM

Wakosane: tinfoil-hat maggie: TheGhostofFarkPast: tinfoil-hat maggie: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.

This!!!

I agree with this to. Reddit is great if you are between 14-26ish and you feel that you are the center of the world and only your world view is correct. Not to mention moderation is worse than here and run by a bunch of ego maniacs to say the least who are always power tripping. It's just not worth putting up with I would rather stay here.

And you haven't even gotten to the comment formatting craziness, but yeah all those other things as well.

I actually prefer Reddit's comment tree structure. No searching up and down a wall of text. Replys automatically sent as a message with notification. A tree structure to keep different topics from getting mixed together. The ability to minimize a comment section you have no interest in reading.


This. I've bailed out of following so many interesting conversations here out of sheer laziness or frustration over a pointless threadjack. And I don't know if I'm missing something because I always check fark from mobile or I need a totalfark but is there a way to choose to get notifications when someone replies to another user's specific comment but not for every new comment on the whole goddamn post?
 
2013-01-01 06:16:37 AM

lemonysprite: I've bailed out of following so many interesting conversations here out of sheer laziness or frustration over a pointless threadjack.


I wonder how many people tried to read through this thread and gave up because of all the posts about Reddit.

/Reddit kinda sucks
 
2013-01-01 06:54:26 AM
A united Korea is not in the interests of the United States and thus cannot be allowed to happen.
 
2013-01-01 07:05:52 AM

milkyshirt: lemonysprite: I've bailed out of following so many interesting conversations here out of sheer laziness or frustration over a pointless threadjack.

I wonder how many people tried to read through this thread and gave up because of all the posts about Reddit.

/Reddit kinda sucks


Yeah. I've been on there a few times and was not at all fond of what I saw.
/I see what you did there.

lemonysprite: Wakosane: tinfoil-hat maggie: TheGhostofFarkPast: tinfoil-hat maggie: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.

This!!!

I agree with this to. Reddit is great if you are between 14-26ish and you feel that you are the center of the world and only your world view is correct. Not to mention moderation is worse than here and run by a bunch of ego maniacs to say the least who are always power tripping. It's just not worth putting up with I would rather stay here.

And you haven't even gotten to the comment formatting craziness, but yeah all those other things as well.

I actually prefer Reddit's comment tree structure. No searching up and down a wall of text. Replys automatically sent as a message with notification. A tree structure to keep different topics from getting mixed together. The ability to minimize a comment section you have no interest in reading.


It looks like there is an option to include comment text excerpts in e-mails at the bottom of your notifications page.
 
2013-01-01 07:33:26 AM

phrawgh: MorrisBird: My baby is being deployed there in February. There shall now be a crisis. Happy farking new year.

Many babies have been deployed here. Tell him to go to the Imjin Pub, we'll take care of him.


My husband served in Korea for 6 years as part of the ADA ( air defense artillery or alcoholics defending America) and he absolutely loved everything except the freakishly cold weather.
 
2013-01-01 08:17:53 AM

Notabunny: I want' to believe, Dude Jong-un, but Best Korea's track record with clear and honest communication isn't all that I'd hope it to be. How about if you start with free, unfiltered, universal internet access for all your citizens? Let them see what the real world is like. In exchange, we'll airlift in buttloads of food and medicine. Full minds and full tummies are a good starting point.


i like you. this coupon good for free sex.
 
2013-01-01 08:51:39 AM
That's...interesting. It certainly shows promise. But the North will have to follow up with good faith and good behavior, two aspects distinctly lacking from its repertoire.
 
2013-01-01 08:58:01 AM
Let's hope this signifies a part of an ongoing, concerted effort by Kim Jong Un to bring North Korea to some semblance of modern society. We have established he is Western-educated, and I'm sure he had given himself access to the outside world (as in like Internet and such) so he knows what people outside North Korea are saying. I wouldn't imagine he would think any more than we do that keeping North Korea a messed up, backwards state is a good thing, but the question is would he be able to transition it without a massive war or famine or otherwise disastrous change?

I'm certainly hoping for the best and would be very keen to go visit an open North Korea at some point in my life.
 
2013-01-01 09:17:53 AM

ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.


Of course this does not warrant a "newsflash" tag. The fact that you don't see dear leader's comment as anything other than another obvious and tired old ruse that's been used before shines a spotlight on your gullibility and inability to think critically. In this way, your own post lets us know that you like the faculties required to form an opinion that counts on any matter.
 
2013-01-01 09:34:31 AM

cman: When he means "compromise", he means it like the GOP definition.


So actual compromise? Or is your definition the Obama definition of doubling demands and laying blame from day 1 of negotiations.
 
2013-01-01 09:50:28 AM

MyRandomName: cman: When he means "compromise", he means it like the GOP definition.

So actual compromise? Or is your definition the Obama definition of doubling demands and laying blame from day 1 of negotiations.


www.citywidemoonwalks.com
 
2013-01-01 10:16:48 AM

shArkh: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Wakosane: ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.

Yeah, as a long time user, it's definitely gone downhill in the last two or three years. The moderation isn't that good, and it's cheaper to go to reddit than to buy totalfark.

The commentary at reddit sucks, and is what keeps me here.

Shah, wtf are you talking about? I know re(ddit)post has it's issues but to say the commentary on fark is the breadwinner?



Nothing but bullshiat and shills, and at least that crap gets downvoted out of most threads and off the frontpage, as opposed to the active encouragement of it here. Sometimes it's nice to see actual discussions about topics as opposed to shiatslinging. Still hate adviceanimals though, jesus.

/oh, and good for Best Leader, if he manages it


Mostly because the shiat that gets upvoted is incorrect and the whole site is one big circlejerk of know-it-all 20 year olds. I've had so many kids that were undergrads or younger try to argue with me about my research that I gave up on the science subreddits altogether. Comment threads are entirely predictable and there's really no good conversation, mostly just nerds with no depth of knowledge trying to look smarter than the last one.
 
2013-01-01 10:35:09 AM

BronyMedic: Yoyo: Seriously, the cease fire was almost 60 years ago.

Cease Fire. Not peace treaty. Technically, the North and South are still at war, and it marks the longest official conflict that the United States has ever been in, the GWOT being the second longest followed by Vietnam.


91 Gulf War still going strong.
 
2013-01-01 10:45:47 AM
Really?

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-01 10:48:23 AM
Stop me if you've heard this one...

Checks calendar; nope it's not April 1.

Huh.
 
2013-01-01 10:52:06 AM

Notabunny: I want' to believe, Dude Jong-un, but Best Korea's track record with clear and honest communication isn't all that I'd hope it to be. How about if you start with free, unfiltered, universal internet access for all your citizens? Let them see what the real world is like. In exchange, we'll airlift in buttloads of food and medicine. Full minds and full tummies are a good starting point.


Free universal internet access?
We don't even have that in this piece of shiat country.
 
2013-01-01 11:03:49 AM

EngineerAU: What would happen if Best Korea suddenly decided to open the border and dissolve its government? Millions and millions of starving people would suddenly be the responsibility of South Korea, who could hardly refuse to help their fellow Koreans. My guess is that it'd take down the South Korean economy and a good part of the world economy at the same time.

If there is going to be one Korea, it's going to have to reunified slowly and carefully. Hopefully this is a first step.


It would be interesting, and has been done before with the fall of the Berlin Wall. Though of course the East-Germans weren't starving at all, they just had a smaller selection of food available to them.

Why would it bring any economy down though? "oh you're starving, so our economy must crash!"?

Were does the crashing come in? We know they lack food all seeing them would change nothing.
 
2013-01-01 11:17:56 AM

bmihura: ShawnDoc: Its a step in the right direction.  If I remember correctly he's been educated outside North Korea, and knows what a big beautiful world is out there, and just what a shiathole his own country is.  He's new to the position, and doesn't have as much face to lose as his father did, so this could be the first of many steps towards some sort of peace agreement and moving North Korea out of sanctions.

Regardless of what you think of their government, the people of North Korea deserve a better life.

I like your positive outlook.


Moi aussi.
 
2013-01-01 11:39:17 AM
Dull Cow Eyes: arenaninja: The reason this isn't a newsflash is because North Korea does this, or some other seeming act-of-good-will, repeatedly every few years, to gain the goodwill of the international community and abuse food donations.

Why would (my guess) a mostly agrarian economy need food donations?

NK isn't an agrarian society though. Their focus is heavily on the industrial, with farming a close second. The Wiki page shows in great detail the little that we do know of their economy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_North_Korea

Although a large number of people in NK are peasants growing their own food, there's not enough rice being grown to sustain the population, so it's prioritized to the military.
 
2013-01-01 11:40:01 AM
Crap. Non-bold reply:
NK isn't an agrarian society though. Their focus is heavily on the industrial, with farming a close second. The Wiki page shows in great detail the little that we do know of their economy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_North_Korea

Although a large number of people in NK are peasants growing their own food, there's not enough rice being grown to sustain the population, so it's prioritized to the military.
 
2013-01-01 11:48:31 AM
"Give us aid and we'll stop our research in (insert project here). *Snicker*
/Suckers!
 
2013-01-01 11:54:14 AM

doczoidberg: Notabunny: I want' to believe, Dude Jong-un, but Best Korea's track record with clear and honest communication isn't all that I'd hope it to be. How about if you start with free, unfiltered, universal internet access for all your citizens? Let them see what the real world is like. In exchange, we'll airlift in buttloads of food and medicine. Full minds and full tummies are a good starting point.

Free universal internet access?
We don't even have that in this piece of shiat country.


butt loads of mcdonalds and oxycontin? sounds fun!
 
2013-01-01 12:26:51 PM
marry me mcdonalds!

it's a DEAL!!
 
2013-01-01 12:59:38 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: doczoidberg: Notabunny: I want' to believe, Dude Jong-un, but Best Korea's track record with clear and honest communication isn't all that I'd hope it to be. How about if you start with free, unfiltered, universal internet access for all your citizens? Let them see what the real world is like. In exchange, we'll airlift in buttloads of food and medicine. Full minds and full tummies are a good starting point.

Free universal internet access
We don't even have that in this piece of shiat country.

butt loads of mcdonalds and oxycontin? sounds fun!


This is the time of the year where Best Korea pulls their badassery to alarm most of Asia and their allies. Then close to February, they play nice to get food to last them until spring.
 
2013-01-01 01:26:04 PM

ShawnDoc: Its a step in the right direction.  If I remember correctly he's been educated outside North Korea, and knows what a big beautiful world is out there, and just what a shiathole his own country is.  He's new to the position, and doesn't have as much face to lose as his father did, so this could be the first of many steps towards some sort of peace agreement and moving North Korea out of sanctions.

Regardless of what you think of their government, the people of North Korea deserve a better life.


^^^^^^^^^^^
llllllllllllllllll

this should be repeated
 
2013-01-01 02:41:05 PM

ArcadianRefugee: And this isn't a [img1.fark.net image 54x11]?

*looks at other "newsflashes"*

Holy shiat, this site sucks.


This has been there official stance since the 1960s, so yeah... why would it be a newsflash.
 
2013-01-01 02:55:06 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Before it was photoshopped, there was only one mic.


img132.imageshack.us
 
Oak
2013-01-01 03:13:38 PM

ShawnDoc: Its a step in the right direction.  If I remember correctly he's been educated outside North Korea, and knows what a big beautiful world is out there, and just what a shiathole his own country is.  He's new to the position, and doesn't have as much face to lose as his father did, so this could be the first of many steps towards some sort of peace agreement and moving North Korea out of sanctions.

Regardless of what you think of their government, the people of North Korea deserve a better life.


s1.reutersmedia.net

That's rather a lot of face.
 
2013-01-01 03:22:18 PM

spawn73: Maybe he really wants the best for the North Korean people, if he's been brainwashed into thinking that is his duty, he might annoy be assassinated by all the generals by for actually trying to do what is best.

 
2013-01-01 03:31:30 PM

oMaJoJ: Drunk Astronaut: Embrace.
Extend.
Extinguish.

Works in business and I bet you money that's what Best Korea is trying here. Play nice, reunite, and then take over the whole show, this time with major industrial infrastructure and technology.

Truly, I believe history well demonstrates that the best thing to do with NK is not to trust a single word that comes from their mouths.

Go home, Astronaut, you're drunk. ; )

But seriously, you don't think there's any way to even begin discussions to opening a half assed line of communication between SK and NK?


There already exists a half-assed line of communication. If you want to see a whole-assed one, or even a 3/4-assed one, then the NKs will have to ease information and travel restrictions and other measures which oppress their people, and open the country to the world to some meaningful extent.

It would be foolish, if not absurd, to trust mere words from the NKs, given their history.
 
2013-01-01 03:44:54 PM

frecklesotool: My husband served in Korea for 6 years as part of the ADA ( air defense artillery or alcoholics defending America) and he absolutely loved everything except the freakishly cold weather.


I checked the temperatures at Seoul and Pyongyang, and I was shocked to see the freezing low numbers. Especially in Pyongyang. How do they provide heat to their people? How do they prevent the pipes from bursting?
 
2013-01-01 03:57:36 PM

dervish16108: frecklesotool: My husband served in Korea for 6 years as part of the ADA ( air defense artillery or alcoholics defending America) and he absolutely loved everything except the freakishly cold weather.

I checked the temperatures at Seoul and Pyongyang, and I was shocked to see the freezing low numbers. Especially in Pyongyang. How do they provide heat to their people? How do they prevent the pipes from bursting?


Your question assumes they give a shiat about their people. I expect Party officials have enough heat.
 
2013-01-01 04:03:06 PM
TRANSLATION INTO PLAIN ENGLISH: "I spent all my money on weapons and now my country is starving, so I need you to feed me while I reload my guns."

That about get it?
 
2013-01-01 04:13:43 PM

olddinosaur: TRANSLATION INTO PLAIN ENGLISH: "I spent all my money on weapons and now my country is starving, so I need you to feed me while I reload my guns."

That about get it?


i'll give you $300

i.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-01-01 04:27:03 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: dervish16108: frecklesotool: My husband served in Korea for 6 years as part of the ADA ( air defense artillery or alcoholics defending America) and he absolutely loved everything except the freakishly cold weather.

I checked the temperatures at Seoul and Pyongyang, and I was shocked to see the freezing low numbers. Especially in Pyongyang. How do they provide heat to their people? How do they prevent the pipes from bursting?

Your question assumes they give a shiat about their people. I expect Party officials have enough heat.


I expect the same, but I still don't see how they can have a functional society with people in freezing temperatures and the inevitable plumbing problems that go along with it. Unless the masses somehow get heat, but it doesn't seem possible to me given how deprived the North Korean people are. Wouldn't the people freak out at some point? Maybe I'm just being naive.
 
2013-01-01 04:56:52 PM

dervish16108: Mambo Bananapatch: dervish16108: frecklesotool: My husband served in Korea for 6 years as part of the ADA ( air defense artillery or alcoholics defending America) and he absolutely loved everything except the freakishly cold weather.

I checked the temperatures at Seoul and Pyongyang, and I was shocked to see the freezing low numbers. Especially in Pyongyang. How do they provide heat to their people? How do they prevent the pipes from bursting?

Your question assumes they give a shiat about their people. I expect Party officials have enough heat.

I expect the same, but I still don't see how they can have a functional society with people in freezing temperatures and the inevitable plumbing problems that go along with it. Unless the masses somehow get heat, but it doesn't seem possible to me given how deprived the North Korean people are. Wouldn't the people freak out at some point? Maybe I'm just being naive.


The people would certainly freak out if they realized they were deprived, which is why the government forbids them to travel or fraternize with foreigners and have international Internet access. The poor saps genuinely believe that nobody in the world has it better than they.
 
2013-01-01 05:33:41 PM
You know who else had a scheme about reunification?
www.uss-saipan.de
 
2013-01-01 08:22:43 PM

dervish16108: frecklesotool: My husband served in Korea for 6 years as part of the ADA ( air defense artillery or alcoholics defending America) and he absolutely loved everything except the freakishly cold weather.

I checked the temperatures at Seoul and Pyongyang, and I was shocked to see the freezing low numbers. Especially in Pyongyang. How do they provide heat to their people? How do they prevent the pipes from bursting?


Protip: They don't.
 
2013-01-01 09:55:37 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: spawn73: Maybe he really wants the best for the North Korean people, if he's been brainwashed into thinking that is his duty, he might annoy be assassinated by all the generals by for actually trying to do what is best.


Yeah, I was thinking the same.

I thought that if I were in his shoes, I'd go all Stalin on the generals before trying any reforms. But then again, if I were him, I'd be "looking at stuff" all day, and sleeping with a new girl each night.

Also, I'd release karaoke DVDs, because people would have to pretend to like me.
 
Esn
2013-01-02 06:09:26 AM

Mr. Eugenides: NecoConeco: Here's the full transcript.

http://tinyurl.com/bk4stfo

Reading that, it sounds like he wants reunification by the south embracing Juche. Which would be the same crap that's come out of the north for 60 years. One Korea has always been the North's vision.


Reading that, I thought the main nugget in that long speech was that he's going to try to update as much of their outdated technology as possible to bring things up to "world standards" and thereby improve economic production, particularly in the more mundane things, so that his people don't feel envious of other countries. It sounds like he's saying "that satellite stuff was all great, but next year we should focus on stuff closer to home".

The reunification stuff indeed sounds like nothing new - I don't think it was meant for foreign consumption. To be honest, I think MOST of the things North Korea says or does are best interpreted as reactions to internal events, rather than external ones.
 
Esn
2013-01-02 06:15:53 AM

dervish16108: Mambo Bananapatch: dervish16108: frecklesotool: My husband served in Korea for 6 years as part of the ADA ( air defense artillery or alcoholics defending America) and he absolutely loved everything except the freakishly cold weather.

I checked the temperatures at Seoul and Pyongyang, and I was shocked to see the freezing low numbers. Especially in Pyongyang. How do they provide heat to their people? How do they prevent the pipes from bursting?

Your question assumes they give a shiat about their people. I expect Party officials have enough heat.

I expect the same, but I still don't see how they can have a functional society with people in freezing temperatures and the inevitable plumbing problems that go along with it. Unless the masses somehow get heat, but it doesn't seem possible to me given how deprived the North Korean people are. Wouldn't the people freak out at some point? Maybe I'm just being naive.


I think they probably do have heat of some sort, except obviously in the more rural places which still run on firewood. The reason I think this is because all of their building designs come from the Soviets, and the Soviets were very good at keeping their people warm. It was not until the USSR collapsed that there started being more frequent power outages (even so, not as often as in North America).
 
Esn
2013-01-02 06:57:27 AM
Then again... I could be wrong. The article does say that the pre-1980s apartments still get heat.

Also, some info here about how it's done in the more rural areas:

They slept on a raised floor. Just inside the door was a gully where they left their shoes so as not to drag dirt into the sleeping area. They were warm in winter, thanks to the proximity of their comrades and underfloor heating. The traditional Korean cottage boasts a rudimentary but effective central heating system. The kitchen stove is at one end of the cottage, but instead of the heat being discharged straight up a chimney, it is carried through a pipe beneath the floor and expelled at the other end of the building. As the workers' kitchens were housed in a separate building, they lit a fire in an outside fireplace at one end of their barracks and employed the same principle.
 
2013-01-02 09:36:16 AM
Love that New Kids on the Block haircut Lil' Kim gots goin' on....
 
rpl
2013-01-02 02:42:31 PM
What a brave and unprecedented statement!

ecx.images-amazon.com

Oh, that's right.

Great book btw, I recommend it to anyone - it's friggin' hilarious.
 
2013-01-02 03:18:13 PM

rpl: What a brave and unprecedented statement!

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

Oh, that's right.

Great book btw, I recommend it to anyone - it's friggin' hilarious.


I didn't know the Eternal Chairman of the Republic wrote a book translated into Englishia

to the book depository!


Mambo Bananapatch: The people would certainly freak out if they realized they were deprived, which is why the government forbids them to travel or fraternize with foreigners and have international Internet access. The poor saps genuinely believe that nobody in the world has it better than they.


Esn: I think they probably do have heat of some sort, except obviously in the more rural places which still run on firewood. The reason I think this is because all of their building designs come from the Soviets, and the Soviets were very good at keeping their people warm. It was not until the USSR collapsed that there started being more frequent power outages (even so, not as often as in North America).


Thanks guys!
 
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