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2012-12-31 11:02:41 PM  

Ravijn: [i.imgur.com image 730x973]


Funny. But anyone who equates our national budget with a household budget is seriously in need of a brain transplant.
 
2012-12-31 11:07:09 PM  

Politank-Z: Will Boehner bring it to a vote? Can Pelosi pull together enough votes for a Discharge Petition? Do I kind of want to see a bad remake of the best of The Taiwanese Legislature with white people on the US House Floor?


Boehner couldn't even get his own plan past his own party members when the teapartiers rebelled.Not sure he can get it passed now.
 
2012-12-31 11:08:37 PM  
The Fiscal Cliff
The Mayans predicted it



 
2012-12-31 11:08:56 PM  
Evil High Priest: Ravijn: [i.imgur.com image 730x973]

Funny. But anyone who equates our national budget with a household budget is seriously in need of a brain transplant.


panem et circenses
 
2012-12-31 11:09:02 PM  
Well the Tea Party helped get the House Republicans checkmated. Good job!

If they dont pass what the senate passed then its going to be all their fault and no one else.

The party of NO is getting whats coming to them
 
2012-12-31 11:09:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Thunderpipes: Taxing the rich won't even make a dent and will hurt growth.

But taxing the poor and middle class won't hurt growth?

Gotta love the weasel language like "broadening the base".


My god people! Why do you keep blessing this troll with pixels? No pixels for you, one year.
 
2012-12-31 11:09:59 PM  

Mrtraveler01: NeverDrunk23: Any references to The Price is Right and the cliffhanger game during this topic?

Great now the yodeling is stuck in my head.

Now you all must suffer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI2GGYppq7E



... Fark you.
 
2012-12-31 11:10:02 PM  

Bonzo_1116: just_intonation: A Shambling Mound: As we enter this bright new year, we should pause to reflect upon the debt of gratitude we owe to our fearless leaders who have worked tirelessly and selflessly in the face of insurmountable odds. Though it took all the grit, determination and self-sacrifice they could muster they have come together for the betterment of our great nation. Together. Together we shall all share in a better tomorrow.

Except for themselves, who get a pay raise from Obama no matter what.

Too bad this didn't come due on November 1. Might have changed the outcomes of many elections...


LOLOLOLOL.

Look who thinks the executive branch decides what the legislative branch pays itself.


Technically Obama signed an executive order ending a 3-year pay freeze for the entire federal government, including Congress, so yeah.
 
2012-12-31 11:10:48 PM  

Evil High Priest: Ravijn: [i.imgur.com image 730x973]

Funny. But anyone who equates our national budget with a household budget is seriously in need of a brain transplant.



Yeah.

Because Global Warming.
 
2012-12-31 11:13:58 PM  

Amos Quito: Meep meep.


QFM

/quoted for meep
//....or is that "quite f*cking meep"?
 
2012-12-31 11:14:15 PM  
Ugh, these farktards agreed to kick the can down the road two months?  I knew the President would farking cave, worthless piece of shiat.  We've got to do this shiat again now, and with the debt ceiling, so now the GOP will hold the entire country hostage with it.

You worthless farking retard.
 
2012-12-31 11:15:25 PM  

Oldiron_79: Evil High Priest: Ravijn: [i.imgur.com image 730x973]

Funny. But anyone who equates our national budget with a household budget is seriously in need of a brain transplant.

panem et circenses


Keep your circumcisions to yourself, alright?
 
2012-12-31 11:15:57 PM  

GAT_00: Ugh, these farktards agreed to kick the can down the road two months?  I knew the President would farking cave, worthless piece of shiat.  We've got to do this shiat again now, and with the debt ceiling, so now the GOP will hold the entire country hostage with it.

You worthless farking retard.


GOP knows that without hostages, they have nothing, so they can't kill them all at once.
 
2012-12-31 11:17:15 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: jackrazz: I know that the Senate plan raises the capital gains rate back to 20%, but does it address taxing dividend income as ordinary income?  My understanding is that if we went over the cliff, dividend income reverts to "ordinary" income for taxation purposes.

Honestly, if we started taxing dividend income as ordinary income, we could probably keep the existing tax brackets and still take in more revenue than we are now.

According to TFA it keeps it like Capital Gains - so 15% for the plebs and 20% for the wealthy.


Ugh.  That's terrible.  Dividend income should be taxed the same way as ordinary income.  Not doing so gives the 1% a far greater tax cut than any bracket ever could.  It's also cutting out the most sure-fire method of raising revenue that would affect the least number of people.

I was okay with Obama agreeing ot a new bracket level at $400/$450, but this is a failure to properly use political capital and the bully pulpit if he caves on dividend tax rates.
 
2012-12-31 11:18:12 PM  
Obama can't even shoot the hostage in the leg. Loser.

Actually, really, all he had to do was nothing. And nothing proved too tricky for him.
 
2012-12-31 11:21:37 PM  

KarmicDisaster: GAT_00: Ugh, these farktards agreed to kick the can down the road two months?  I knew the President would farking cave, worthless piece of shiat.  We've got to do this shiat again now, and with the debt ceiling, so now the GOP will hold the entire country hostage with it.

You worthless farking retard.

GOP knows that without hostages, they have nothing, so they can't kill them all at once.


I know they'll do that.  I'm pissed at the President and Democrats for caving like worthless little farking pussies when they had no reason to do so and now we have to do this shiat again.
 
2012-12-31 11:21:45 PM  

Evil High Priest: Obama can't even shoot the hostage in the leg. Loser.

Actually, really, all he had to do was nothing. And nothing proved too tricky for him.


He can't even breathe without somebody shiatting himself in hatred and fear over it. Wouldn't have mattered how he handled this. The right swore to do anything to defeat their self-proclaimed nemesis, and they're damn well gonna do it, even if they have to destroy America itself in the process.
 
2012-12-31 11:23:19 PM  

GAT_00: Ugh, these farktards agreed to kick the can down the road two months?  I knew the President would farking cave, worthless piece of shiat.  We've got to do this shiat again now, and with the debt ceiling, so now the GOP will hold the entire country hostage with it.

You worthless farking retard.


eh, better than you think... right now, the GOP just gave up 600B in new revenues without actually committing to any spending cuts... so now even if we get a 1:1 ratio in 60 days with the debt ceiling and the other votes, the President will get a much more favorable deal than he would have had he done it all as part of one "grand bargain." deal... he's not quite as stupid as he looks.
 
2012-12-31 11:23:23 PM  

bulldg4life: Interesting. They actually permanently changed the AMT.

And, it looks like they implemented half of the desired high income tax changes with an expectation to phase in the 250k level.

Also, capital gains on rich people.

Surprised at the long extensions for some of the credits.


www.jockeysguild.com
 
2012-12-31 11:24:34 PM  

Mrtraveler01: What was the response when you told them that?

/just curious


I believe it was something like "Well, yeah, but..." or "That's not the point."

I try not to engage my older family on politics because several of my older siblings and both my parents are conservative. My parents actually subscribe to Imprimis, some nutjob right-wing newsletter. The issue I saw laying around had a cover story of "What Public Unions Are Doing To Our Country" that began by the author describing his experiences as (and I'm putting this in quote marks because it is an actual direct farking quote) a resident of "the People's Republic of New Jerseystan". So with conservative family members (ironically my brother the Catholic priest is closer to the liberal side than the other of the older siblings), and me getting into a rage on political matters quickly... I try to avoid it.
 
2012-12-31 11:25:20 PM  

GAT_00: KarmicDisaster: GAT_00: Ugh, these farktards agreed to kick the can down the road two months?  I knew the President would farking cave, worthless piece of shiat.  We've got to do this shiat again now, and with the debt ceiling, so now the GOP will hold the entire country hostage with it.

You worthless farking retard.

GOP knows that without hostages, they have nothing, so they can't kill them all at once.

I know they'll do that.  I'm pissed at the President and Democrats for caving like worthless little farking pussies when they had no reason to do so and now we have to do this shiat again.


Smells like someone gettin paid...
 
2012-12-31 11:27:03 PM  
That "if it were a person's debt issue" picture bothers me since they under report the spending cuts by an entire magnitude of 10...totally by accident.

Also, anyone struggling like that would be told to cut spending and get an extra job for revenue.
 
2012-12-31 11:30:38 PM  

Mrtraveler01: NeverDrunk23: Any references to The Price is Right and the cliffhanger game during this topic?

Great now the yodeling is stuck in my head.

Now you all must suffer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI2GGYppq7E


if you insist

/yodel ay he hooo
 
2012-12-31 11:31:29 PM  

limeyfellow: Boehner couldn't even get his own plan past his own party members when the teapartiers rebelled.Not sure he can get it passed now.


Well, that is a burden he'd largely give over to Pelosi. The question is, does Boehner have the will or ability to put it to a floor vote? How broad are The Speaker's powers in that respect? Does Pelosi have the ability to force it onto the floor with a Discharge Petition? Does Obama force The House into session to pressure a key vote? Does C-Span get to resemble the professional wrestling: old, pudgy, and terrified edition?
 
2012-12-31 11:31:33 PM  

anwserman: No. Fiscal cliff. We've been kicking this can down the road for far too long and we have to make cuts and sacrifices. This is utter bullshiat.
/traitors
//hang up 'em and let em burn


Yes, because strong austerity has worked out for all those other countries.

/no, it hasn't
//we just need to not have unfunded wars during times of plenty and we'll be fine
 
2012-12-31 11:31:40 PM  

RminusQ: Mrtraveler01: What was the response when you told them that?

/just curious

I believe it was something like "Well, yeah, but..." or "That's not the point."

I try not to engage my older family on politics because several of my older siblings and both my parents are conservative. My parents actually subscribe to Imprimis, some nutjob right-wing newsletter. The issue I saw laying around had a cover story of "What Public Unions Are Doing To Our Country" that began by the author describing his experiences as (and I'm putting this in quote marks because it is an actual direct farking quote) a resident of "the People's Republic of New Jerseystan". So with conservative family members (ironically my brother the Catholic priest is closer to the liberal side than the other of the older siblings), and me getting into a rage on political matters quickly... I try to avoid it.


It's the GOP motto... if you wanna be a surly, intransigent, entitled, spoiled, lazy, good-for-nothing, overpaid jackass... you could join a union, but it's probably easier to just join the House GOP Caucus.
 
2012-12-31 11:33:04 PM  

firefly212: GAT_00: Ugh, these farktards agreed to kick the can down the road two months?  I knew the President would farking cave, worthless piece of shiat.  We've got to do this shiat again now, and with the debt ceiling, so now the GOP will hold the entire country hostage with it.

You worthless farking retard.

eh, better than you think... right now, the GOP just gave up 600B in new revenues without actually committing to any spending cuts... so now even if we get a 1:1 ratio in 60 days with the debt ceiling and the other votes, the President will get a much more favorable deal than he would have had he done it all as part of one "grand bargain." deal... he's not quite as stupid as he looks.


You remember last time we had to deal with spending cuts and the debt ceiling?  It saved at least a percentage point off of our GDP just from the whole debate and people stopped spending?

Now we get to do it again because the President is an IDIOT.
 
2012-12-31 11:33:36 PM  

Ravijn: [i.imgur.com image 730x973]



The person who created that doesn't understand either subject at all.

Lesson 1: To make that a proper analogy, you would have to add the opportunity at a "job promotion" which would represent tax increases on the wealthiest Americans who can easily afford it. If you had that personal budget, would you turn down a job promotion with increased pay? No you would not. That's the close-minded Republican way of looking at things, though -- the only solution is to cut spending. They blew up the debt just so they could cut social programs they don't want -- it has nothing to do with being practical and everything to do with cynical politics.

Lesson 2: The debt limit has nothing to do with whether we take on more debt. It's whether we're going to PAY FOR WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BORROWED. The writer of that document shows a shocking inability to have figured this out since this meme was first spread by the GOP during that bullshiat fight. You would think that after the GOP purposely got our credit rating downgraded that the faux-intellectual moron who wrote that would take the time to figure out what it actually means. The proper analogy for the debt limit is: Your credit card bill is due; do you pay it, or do you declare bankruptcy and financially f*ck yourself? Regardless of whether you cut future spending, you still have to pay the f*cking bill that's due.

People are so retarded...
 
2012-12-31 11:33:44 PM  

GAT_00: firefly212: GAT_00: Ugh, these farktards agreed to kick the can down the road two months?  I knew the President would farking cave, worthless piece of shiat.  We've got to do this shiat again now, and with the debt ceiling, so now the GOP will hold the entire country hostage with it.

You worthless farking retard.

eh, better than you think... right now, the GOP just gave up 600B in new revenues without actually committing to any spending cuts... so now even if we get a 1:1 ratio in 60 days with the debt ceiling and the other votes, the President will get a much more favorable deal than he would have had he done it all as part of one "grand bargain." deal... he's not quite as stupid as he looks.

You remember last time we had to deal with spending cuts and the debt ceiling?  It saved at least a percentage point off of our GDP just from the whole debate and people stopped spending?

Now we get to do it again because the President is an IDIOT.


Shaved, not saved.
 
2012-12-31 11:34:34 PM  

Krieghund: Whenever they do it they can make it retroactive to January 1, 2013.


That won't matter to foreign markets in the meantime. They can't trust this Congress, given the debt ceiling debacle last time.
 
2012-12-31 11:37:17 PM  

Mad_Radhu: firefly212: Krieghund: firefly212: Doesn't matter, House isn't in... maybe they'll come back tomorrow to vote... maybe not... they've got far more important things to do than be bothered with governing the peasants.

Whenever they do it they can make it retroactive to January 1, 2013.

Which is fantastic... my withholding rate will be higher on friday, and I'm struggling to pay for food and drugs... but that's super if I'll be retroactively able to afford them... jacking peoples taxes up, then retroactively lowering them is great, if you can wait to get that money back... which is super, if you're part of the class the GOP cares about... but if you actually need the money you work for, well, f#@k you.

I know where you could free up $5 next month.


Yknow there's this thing where other people throw down $5, right?

/always been sponsored
//still amazed every time
///but appreciative :)
 
2012-12-31 11:39:11 PM  

KarmicDisaster: GAT_00: Ugh, these farktards agreed to kick the can down the road two months?  I knew the President would farking cave, worthless piece of shiat.  We've got to do this shiat again now, and with the debt ceiling, so now the GOP will hold the entire country hostage with it.

You worthless farking retard.

GOP knows that without hostages, they have nothing, so they can't kill them all at once.


"Shoot the hostage" tactic eh?
 
2012-12-31 11:40:10 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Amos Quito: Government is like sharing a sleeping bag with a porcupine.

The less it moves, the better.

Government is like sharing a sleeping bag with a porcupine that sleeps near your crotch.

In general the less it moves, the better, but when it HAS to move ideally it should move so as to not stab your penis.


This gave me a chuckle.
 
2012-12-31 11:40:36 PM  
static.seekingalpha.com

If this isn't all over the Intertubes by dawn tomorrow, it should be goddamn it!
 
2012-12-31 11:42:47 PM  

GAT_00: firefly212: GAT_00: Ugh, these farktards agreed to kick the can down the road two months?  I knew the President would farking cave, worthless piece of shiat.  We've got to do this shiat again now, and with the debt ceiling, so now the GOP will hold the entire country hostage with it.

You worthless farking retard.

eh, better than you think... right now, the GOP just gave up 600B in new revenues without actually committing to any spending cuts... so now even if we get a 1:1 ratio in 60 days with the debt ceiling and the other votes, the President will get a much more favorable deal than he would have had he done it all as part of one "grand bargain." deal... he's not quite as stupid as he looks.

You remember last time we had to deal with spending cuts and the debt ceiling?  It saved at least a percentage point off of our GDP just from the whole debate and people stopped spending?

Now we get to do it again because the President is an IDIOT.


I don't think we're gonna get the same positions as last time, the President won his election, the GOP lost house seats and senate seats... aside from that, especially coming out of this deal, the President looks like a guy willing to negotiate, so if the GOP plays their hostage games again, I don't think they're gonna like the results... they'll get hammered even harder than they did during the Clinton days. Either way, when you get 80 percent of what you want, it's not a bad day.
 
2012-12-31 11:42:58 PM  

GAT_00: You remember last time we had to deal with spending cuts and the debt ceiling? It saved at least a percentage point off of our GDP just from the whole debate and people stopped spending?

Now we get to do it again because the President is an IDIOT. the GOP won't tax rich people.


See how that works? It's almost like there's two political parties with different goals here and America is the playing field.

No one at the top cares about the details of day to day life for the little people outside of leverage to get votes by. They all got theirs and they got it in perpetuity. It don't matter what happens any which way to them, really. This is all a game. The stakes are high, but they all have a parachute.
 
2012-12-31 11:46:19 PM  
firefly212:Economist != Accountant.

Exactly. An Economist is someone who knows how everyone else (who are perfectly rational and possess all information) should live.  Meanwhile he's on tenure and lets his wife make all the budgetary decisions.
 
2012-12-31 11:49:24 PM  

oldtaku: firefly212:Economist != Accountant.

Exactly. An Economist is someone who knows how everyone else (who are perfectly rational and possess all information) should live.  Meanwhile he's on tenure and lets his wife make all the budgetary decisions.


Rofls, I do transportation economics, I can tell you how shipping costs vary from mode to mode, how you're going to assess those costs, how your risk aversion will factor into your decision making, and how labor and manufacturing inputs combined with energy pricing could lead you to make inefficient choices. My subspecialty was demographic work, I can tell you a whole lot about people's tendencies with some pretty basic information, and unlike you, I'd be right. ;)
 
2012-12-31 11:50:01 PM  
Screw them all. I hope they DIAF the traitorous basterds.
 
2012-12-31 11:51:25 PM  
Not sure what people are complaining about. This seems like a much better deal than I was expecting. In particular, the AMT has needed fixing for 20 years and has been put off every year. If they finally fix it permanently with this, that alone was worth all of this 'cliff' nonsense.

I think the markets will like it too. Assuming it passes the House, of course.
 
2012-12-31 11:51:47 PM  

Krieghund: firefly212: Krieghund: firefly212: Doesn't matter, House isn't in... maybe they'll come back tomorrow to vote... maybe not... they've got far more important things to do than be bothered with governing the peasants.

Whenever they do it they can make it retroactive to January 1, 2013.

Which is fantastic... my withholding rate will be higher on friday, and I'm struggling to pay for food and drugs... but that's super if I'll be retroactively able to afford them... jacking peoples taxes up, then retroactively lowering them is great, if you can wait to get that money back... which is super, if you're part of the class the GOP cares about... but if you actually need the money you work for, well, f#@k you.

Except your withholding rate will be exactly the same on Friday because for the moment they're still using 2012 rates.


We were notified that our SS withholding would increase to 6.2 on Weds (our first check). No other tax rates change.
 
2012-12-31 11:53:32 PM  
shut up about this cliff stuff. so rich people will pay more taxes and there will be less money to buy unnecessary $50,000,000 winnebagos., so what. even if you do care, which is perfectly reasonable really, stop calling it 'falling off the cliff' or shiat like that. there's only one person in the world who's qualified to complain about falling off of cliff, and that's phylicia rashad.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-31 11:54:22 PM  

stewbert: Krieghund: firefly212: Krieghund: firefly212: Doesn't matter, House isn't in... maybe they'll come back tomorrow to vote... maybe not... they've got far more important things to do than be bothered with governing the peasants.

Whenever they do it they can make it retroactive to January 1, 2013.

Which is fantastic... my withholding rate will be higher on friday, and I'm struggling to pay for food and drugs... but that's super if I'll be retroactively able to afford them... jacking peoples taxes up, then retroactively lowering them is great, if you can wait to get that money back... which is super, if you're part of the class the GOP cares about... but if you actually need the money you work for, well, f#@k you.

Except your withholding rate will be exactly the same on Friday because for the moment they're still using 2012 rates.

We were notified that our SS withholding would increase to 6.2 on Weds (our first check). No other tax rates change.


It's nice that after all the haggling about whether or not taxes should go up on people making over $250,000, they at least were all able to agree that my taxes, on my income of under $30,000, should definitely go up.
 
2012-12-31 11:55:05 PM  

firefly212: Krieghund: firefly212: Which is fantastic... my withholding rate will be higher on friday, and I'm struggling to pay for food and drugs... but that's super if I'll be retroactively able to afford them... jacking peoples taxes up, then retroactively lowering them is great, if you can wait to get that money back... which is super, if you're part of the class the GOP cares about... but if you actually need the money you work for, well, f#@k you.


You can change your withholding at any time. When the cliff is undone and if its retroactive to Jan. 1 you change it back.
 
2013-01-01 12:01:35 AM  
happy fiscal cliff!
 
2013-01-01 12:01:59 AM  
Happy new year, east coasters.
 
2013-01-01 12:02:41 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: bulldg4life: Interesting. They actually permanently changed the AMT.

And, it looks like they implemented half of the desired high income tax changes with an expectation to phase in the 250k level.

Also, capital gains on rich people.

Surprised at the long extensions for some of the credits.

[www.jockeysguild.com image 519x340]


Clowns are more clean-cut than i remember.
 
2013-01-01 12:05:43 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Evil High Priest: Obama can't even shoot the hostage in the leg. Loser.

Actually, really, all he had to do was nothing. And nothing proved too tricky for him.

He can't even breathe without somebody shiatting himself in hatred and fear over it. Wouldn't have mattered how he handled this. The right swore to do anything to defeat their self-proclaimed nemesis, and they're damn well gonna do it, even if they have to destroy America itself in the process.


Yes, but all he (and the Dems) had to do was.. nothing. If they had simply done nothing for another few hours, they would have gotten a much better deal in three days or so. Incompetence can only go so far.
 
2013-01-01 12:08:51 AM  

Evil High Priest: Keizer_Ghidorah: Evil High Priest: Obama can't even shoot the hostage in the leg. Loser.

Actually, really, all he had to do was nothing. And nothing proved too tricky for him.

He can't even breathe without somebody shiatting himself in hatred and fear over it. Wouldn't have mattered how he handled this. The right swore to do anything to defeat their self-proclaimed nemesis, and they're damn well gonna do it, even if they have to destroy America itself in the process.

Yes, but all he (and the Dems) had to do was.. nothing. If they had simply done nothing for another few hours, they would have gotten a much better deal in three days or so. Incompetence can only go so far.


And if the Democrats at least attempt to make a deal but the GOP still fails to compromise, the Democrats gain more faith with the electorate but still get what they want. The Democrats are building their brand to make themselves an actually choiec for disenfranchised GOP voters more than they have already. Unfortunately, the GOP is still maintaining their brand.
 
2013-01-01 12:10:30 AM  

Ravijn: ...there has been a sewer backup in you neighboorhood and you home has sewage all the way up to the ceiling, do you:
a) Raise the ceiling
b) Remove the shiat


C) Buy a new house!
 
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