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2012-12-31 07:07:58 PM  

Ambivalence: Oh well, they did absolutely everything they could to avoid this. Everything except, you know, working and compromising and putting the interests of the country before their own ideology.

They sure did talk a lot though. And they blamed everyone but themselves. And they sighed and wailed and gashed their teeth. I don't know what more we could have asked of them.


Compromise can not work when the fundamental issue has no compromise. The Democrats don't want any entitlement reform. The Republicans want something as far as entitlement reform. Congrats, you won the election but the Republicans still have a base they need to represent.
 
2012-12-31 07:08:15 PM  
Yeah gerrymandering!
 
2012-12-31 07:08:38 PM  
I just got a job that pays $90k/year. Can someone tell me if I'm better off quitting and moving to a shack in the forest? I have a couple of pages written for my manifesto, and at least 10 more in outline form. My hair's a little thin on top, but I can grow a wicked crazy beard if I commit to it.
 
2012-12-31 07:08:55 PM  

Funk Brothers: Good.

Boehner should tell Obama there will be no deal unless the tax increases on the rich are taken off the table. Why should we be raising taxes on the rich and let those who are not rich a free pass?


I'll put it in simple numbers. Tax a millionaire an extra 5% and he loses $50,000 to the government. But he's a millionaire. And he's been so for a long time. If he's smart, he can more than afford it. Tax someone making $30,000 an extra 5%, he loses $1,500 to DC. Since the millionaire probably doesn't live paycheck to paycheck, he's fine. But the other guy probably is and the extra $1.5k hurts him. But I'm willing to bet he'd be willing to pay it if the richest, sneakiest scoundrels who find every way possible to skirt tax law would STFU and pay there share. Or at the very least, give the poor guy a raise every so often.
 
2012-12-31 07:09:06 PM  

Funk Brothers: Good.

Boehner should tell Obama there will be no deal unless the tax increases on the rich are taken off the table. Why should we be raising taxes on the rich and let those who are not rich a free pass?


Why are you so concerned about the rich? They wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
 
2012-12-31 07:10:00 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I just got a job that pays $90k/year. Can someone tell me if I'm better off quitting and moving to a shack in the forest? I have a couple of pages written for my manifesto, and at least 10 more in outline form. My hair's a little thin on top, but I can grow a wicked crazy beard if I commit to it.


If you don't know how a progressive tax system works, yes, give up now.  Otherwise, be grateful and appreciate all the hard work you've done to get where you are.
 
2012-12-31 07:10:00 PM  
Dear House GOP,

Kindly please go fark yourselves.

Sincerely,
America
 
2012-12-31 07:10:16 PM  
"That's it. I'm moving to Singapore." -- Rafalca
 
2012-12-31 07:11:16 PM  

angrymacface: Infernalist: The nation is served best by this cliff. The new Congress can fix things, a piece at a time, and if the GOP should try to stick tax cuts for the wealthy into any of it, then they'll get called out for it.

The New Congress? Same as the old Congress, only moreso?


Well, the new congress won't have any lame duck Tea Derpers stinking up the joint. And they'll walk in with the albatross of 'high taxes' around their necks. Not a big thing for the Democrats, but the GOP? That's a big deal for them. They're going to want to fix that and do it in a hurry. They'll want to pass a bill cutting taxes for everyone, basically try to reinstate the Bush Tax Cuts, but the Senate and the President won't allow it. The Democrats 'will' try repeatedly to pass bills cutting taxes for those making under 250k, but will anticipate the GOP trying to attach riders. Expect lots of press conferences and youtube speeches from the President harassing the GOP about holding 'middle america' hostage to the desire to cut taxes for the wealthy.

For the love of god, I'm not even a politician and I'm fully aware of what they've got in store for the GOP.
 
2012-12-31 07:11:46 PM  
"I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; that two are called a law firm, and that three or more become a Congress!" - John Adams (1776 Musical)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqAdlkJDt7k
 
2012-12-31 07:12:13 PM  

Funk Brothers: WhyteRaven74: Funk Brothers: Why should we be raising taxes on the rich and let those who are not rich a free pass?

Because they are not people in need. Those in need always come before those who are not in need.

I don't think we should be raising taxes. If Obama does succeed, Conservatives and Tea Party groups should be taking this to the courts to protest this tax raise on the wealthy.


You're absolutely right, they should do exactly that. There's absolutely no way that could possibly backfire on them.


bmihura: Less government spending? Now that's something significant that I've never seen. Been around awhile, too.


You're a terrible liar.
 
2012-12-31 07:12:28 PM  

iaazathot: Wow, I mean WOW! How stupid do you have to be to do what the Republicans are doing?


the fist step to answering this question is arriving at a common measurement or unit of stupidity.

43 MegaPalins would be my guess, but i could see others opting for a Perry or Bachmann based measurement.
 
2012-12-31 07:12:34 PM  

Scaevola: Funk Brothers: Good.

Boehner should tell Obama there will be no deal unless the tax increases on the rich are taken off the table. Why should we be raising taxes on the rich and let those who are not rich a free pass?

0/10. The Tea Party is ruining this country. Or, I should say, the Koch brothers are ruining this country, while hiding behind a bunch of white evangelical rubes.


Obama is ruining this country. Haven't you seen all the warning signs? Obama was born on the Kingdom of Hawaii. The Kingdom of Hawaii was ruled by a Monarchy/Dictator. This tax increase on the rich is leading us towards the road to dictatorship under Obama and towards a unprecedented third term.

When you have companies such as Hobby Lobby or other small businesses employing over 50 workers resisting certain parts of the healthcare law over religious freedom, something is wrong in this country.
 
2012-12-31 07:12:51 PM  
So the Republican talking point now is that "Obama said mean things so we're not going to vote to do what is best for the country"?

That seems pretty pathetic, really.
 
2012-12-31 07:13:14 PM  

Brontes: shower_in_my_socks: I just got a job that pays $90k/year. Can someone tell me if I'm better off quitting and moving to a shack in the forest? I have a couple of pages written for my manifesto, and at least 10 more in outline form. My hair's a little thin on top, but I can grow a wicked crazy beard if I commit to it.

If you don't know how a progressive tax system works, yes, give up now.  Otherwise, be grateful and appreciate all the hard work you've done to get where you are.


Really?
 
2012-12-31 07:13:45 PM  

CPT Ethanolic: AlwaysRightBoy: CPT Ethanolic: Going over cliff will change my paycheck by MAYBE $20/week.  Do I really care?

You can double down and make it special.... For yourself!

/am for higher taxes on higher incomes

Same here.  Let's pay for the farking debt.  Tax me.  I promise I won't miss a grand or so over the year, and I'm in the VERY BOTTOM of the 1%.  2-3% just isn't anything.


Bah! Clearly you'll cut jobs and move overseas to one of those beautiful tax-free paradises!
 
2012-12-31 07:13:49 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I just got a job that pays $90k/year. Can someone tell me if I'm better off quitting and moving to a shack in the forest? I have a couple of pages written for my manifesto, and at least 10 more in outline form. My hair's a little thin on top, but I can grow a wicked crazy beard if I commit to it.


I'd only recommend going the manifesto route if it's novel-length. Then several decades from now, you'll have Vice Presidential candidates citing shower_in_my_socks as their inspiration for their beliefs.
 
ecl
2012-12-31 07:13:56 PM  
chewthedirt.com
 
2012-12-31 07:13:57 PM  
And he warned that if Republicans think they can get future deficit reduction solely through spending cuts "that will hurt seniors, or hurt students, or hurt middle-class families without asking also equivalent sacrifice from millionaires or companies with a lot of lobbyists ... they've got another think coming."

This is what you get when Obama doesn't have his teleprompter. So sad.

trollololo
 
2012-12-31 07:14:02 PM  

heap: iaazathot: Wow, I mean WOW! How stupid do you have to be to do what the Republicans are doing?

the fist step to answering this question is arriving at a common measurement or unit of stupidity.

43 MegaPalins would be my guess, but i could see others opting for a Perry or Bachmann based measurement.


Who would use a Bachmann based measurement? That's just retarded.
 
2012-12-31 07:14:22 PM  
This time it IS Lupus...
 
2012-12-31 07:14:30 PM  

GAT_00: CPT Ethanolic: Going over cliff will change my paycheck by MAYBE $20/week.  Do I really care?

Because it's going to end unemployment benefits for millions, it's going to cut payments to doctors for Medicare, which might cause doctors to drop patients, and while a few bucks might not be much to you, to people who don't have any excess from payday to payday it does matter.


It's also going to slash the NIH budget by nearly 10%, which means that funding for basic biomedical research is going to be ass. Hope you didn't need that cure for cancer!

/it's really going to suck
 
2012-12-31 07:14:31 PM  

Xetal: So the Republican talking point now is that "Obama said mean things so we're not going to vote to do what is best for the country"?

That seems pretty pathetic, really.



They were going to fake a blood clot, but that excuse was already taken.

/I keed, I keed...
 
2012-12-31 07:15:03 PM  

cig-mkr: CPT Ethanolic: Brontes: CPT Ethanolic: Going over cliff will change my paycheck by MAYBE $20/week.  Do I really care?

Because you make up the sum total of the US Economy.

 I'm in the top 1%.  I'm supposed to be the one this hits hardest.  FACT - it doesn't.

And you don't worry about the tax on dividends? Going up from 15% to ~ 43% because they are calling it regular income.


It is regular income.
 
ecl
2012-12-31 07:15:07 PM  
blogs.adobe.com
 
2012-12-31 07:15:42 PM  

Ambivalence: Oh well, they did absolutely everything they could to avoid this. Everything except, you know, working and compromising and putting the interests of the country before their own ideology.

They sure did talk a lot though. And they blamed everyone but themselves. And they sighed and wailed and gashed their teeth. I don't know what more we could have asked of them.


They could have torn their clothing from their bodies while wailing 'The end is nigh, the black man got a second term'.

Because that's really what wrenched up the works: the Tea Party and a large portion of the GOP had absolutely NO farkING PLAN in place for Obama's reelection.

These are stupid, stupid people we're dealing with here, and the sooner we stop taking them seriously the better off we're going to be.
 
2012-12-31 07:15:52 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Xetal: So the Republican talking point now is that "Obama said mean things so we're not going to vote to do what is best for the country"?

That seems pretty pathetic, really.


They were going to fake a blood clot, but that excuse was already taken.

/I keed, I keed...


This is the US Government son, they don't FAKE a blood clot, they just give you a real one!
 
2012-12-31 07:16:09 PM  

Funk Brothers: Scaevola: Funk Brothers: Good.

Boehner should tell Obama there will be no deal unless the tax increases on the rich are taken off the table. Why should we be raising taxes on the rich and let those who are not rich a free pass?

0/10. The Tea Party is ruining this country. Or, I should say, the Koch brothers are ruining this country, while hiding behind a bunch of white evangelical rubes.

Obama is ruining this country. Haven't you seen all the warning signs? Obama was born on the Kingdom of Hawaii. The Kingdom of Hawaii was ruled by a Monarchy/Dictator. This tax increase on the rich is leading us towards the road to dictatorship under Obama and towards a unprecedented third term.

When you have companies such as Hobby Lobby or other small businesses employing over 50 workers resisting certain parts of the healthcare law over religious freedom, something is wrong in this country.


Ahh, so you're trolling. Got it.
 
2012-12-31 07:16:12 PM  

Kome: heap: iaazathot: Wow, I mean WOW! How stupid do you have to be to do what the Republicans are doing?

the fist step to answering this question is arriving at a common measurement or unit of stupidity.

43 MegaPalins would be my guess, but i could see others opting for a Perry or Bachmann based measurement.

Who would use a Bachmann based measurement? That's just retarded.


Technically, 100 Bachmanns equal one Perry. 100 Perries equals one Palin. There is no unit higher than the Palin, so we're forced to use MegaPalin.
 
2012-12-31 07:16:19 PM  

Great_Milenko: Funk Brothers: Good.

Boehner should tell Obama there will be no deal unless the tax increases on the rich are taken off the table. Why should we be raising taxes on the rich and let those who are not rich a free pass?

Why are you so concerned about the rich? They wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.


The thing is the rich have earned it. They create things and make money off of what they have created. The government feels that the rich should pay more what they have earned from their creations and give that money towards people who are lazy and don't create things. I wouldn't give money to those who are poor and lazy. They're leeches.
 
2012-12-31 07:16:21 PM  

ariseatex: shower_in_my_socks: I just got a job that pays $90k/year. Can someone tell me if I'm better off quitting and moving to a shack in the forest? I have a couple of pages written for my manifesto, and at least 10 more in outline form. My hair's a little thin on top, but I can grow a wicked crazy beard if I commit to it.

I'd only recommend going the manifesto route if it's novel-length. Then several decades from now, you'll have Vice Presidential candidates citing shower_in_my_socks as their inspiration for their beliefs.



Words of wisdom. My next decision is whether to self-publish it as an e-book, or mail hard copies to people in suspicious packages.
 
2012-12-31 07:16:33 PM  
With all the 1%'ers present in this thread

i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-31 07:16:44 PM  

Infernalist: Well, the new congress won't have any lame duck Tea Derpers stinking up the joint. And they'll walk in with the albatross of 'high taxes' around their necks. Not a big thing for the Democrats, but the GOP? That's a big deal for them. They're going to want to fix that and do it in a hurry. They'll want to pass a bill cutting taxes for everyone, basically try to reinstate the Bush Tax Cuts, but the Senate and the President won't allow it. The Democrats 'will' try repeatedly to pass bills cutting taxes for those making under 250k, but will anticipate the GOP trying to attach riders. Expect lots of press conferences and youtube speeches from the President harassing the GOP about holding 'middle america' hostage to the desire to cut taxes for the wealthy.

For the love of god, I'm not even a politician and I'm fully aware of what they've got in store for the GOP.


True, they lost some, but they will also have a bunch of newly-elected Tea Partiers to continue the DERP. Best case scenario I can see is that nothing changes for the next two years.
 
2012-12-31 07:16:46 PM  

Chameleon: GAT_00: CPT Ethanolic: Going over cliff will change my paycheck by MAYBE $20/week.  Do I really care?

Because it's going to end unemployment benefits for millions, it's going to cut payments to doctors for Medicare, which might cause doctors to drop patients, and while a few bucks might not be much to you, to people who don't have any excess from payday to payday it does matter.

It's also going to slash the NIH budget by nearly 10%, which means that funding for basic biomedical research is going to be ass. Hope you didn't need that cure for cancer!

/it's really going to suck


Yeah, that is what worries me the most.  Private sector has eviscerated R&D relying on buying up and licensing IP from Universities.  The Univ. research rely on almost solely on grants from the government.  If you thought being an academic PhD was tough now, it is about to get a whole lot worse if the cuts stay.
 
2012-12-31 07:16:58 PM  

Xetal: So the Republican talking point now is that "Obama said mean things so we're not going to vote to do what is best for the country"?

That seems pretty pathetic, really.


But, but butt hurt!
 
2012-12-31 07:17:00 PM  
Huh, never knew we had so many billionaires on fark.
 
2012-12-31 07:17:09 PM  

Kome: heap: iaazathot: Wow, I mean WOW! How stupid do you have to be to do what the Republicans are doing?

the fist step to answering this question is arriving at a common measurement or unit of stupidity.

43 MegaPalins would be my guess, but i could see others opting for a Perry or Bachmann based measurement.

Who would use a Bachmann based measurement? That's just retarded.


it would get tedious to have everything measured in terms of MilliBachmanns.
 
2012-12-31 07:17:21 PM  

Miss Stein: And don't come crying to us when you're voted out in '14.
Remember what you've done.


You mean the socialists in Congress? Of course they shouldn't be crying. This is exactly what they've done.
 
2012-12-31 07:17:29 PM  

heap: iaazathot: Wow, I mean WOW! How stupid do you have to be to do what the Republicans are doing?

the fist step to answering this question is arriving at a common measurement or unit of stupidity.

43 MegaPalins would be my guess, but i could see others opting for a Perry or Bachmann based measurement.


Bachmann is the accepted SI unit, since it's Swiss.
 
2012-12-31 07:17:43 PM  

Funk Brothers: Great_Milenko: Funk Brothers: Good.

Boehner should tell Obama there will be no deal unless the tax increases on the rich are taken off the table. Why should we be raising taxes on the rich and let those who are not rich a free pass?

Why are you so concerned about the rich? They wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

The thing is the rich have earned it. They create things and make money off of what they have created. The government feels that the rich should pay more what they have earned from their creations and give that money towards people who are lazy and don't create things. I wouldn't give money to those who are poor and lazy. They're leeches.


Counterpoint: The rich required the benefits of this society to become rich. Their businesses are built on it and the laws of this society are what stop roving groups of heavily armed people from taking their riches.
 
2012-12-31 07:17:56 PM  
Good. Over the cliff we go.
 
2012-12-31 07:18:01 PM  
Way to fail again, American legislative branches, specifically the House of Representatives.

When do you think the last chink in the armor will break it, aka the American Armor? Next time?

Grow up, and pass something to get us through the New Year, jackhats.

Do it,  now.
 
2012-12-31 07:18:15 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Can one of you people buy me a Lamborghini?

/Nah, I'm not really that tacky. :)
//Glad I moved out of equities at the end of the day. Staying put until the market sorts this out. Got burned hard last time they played with the debt ceiling.


Do you know if any of this cliff nonsense has impact on retirement accounts? Mine are mostly in bonds.

If I lose it, it's not a huge deal. Just forgot to do something with it after I left my last job.
 
2012-12-31 07:18:19 PM  
Geez. Is it time for the Republican National Anthem again?
 
2012-12-31 07:19:18 PM  

Funk Brothers: The thing is the rich have earned it. They create things and make money off of what they have created. The government feels that the rich should pay more what they have earned from their creations and give that money towards people who are lazy and don't create things. I wouldn't give money to those who are poor and lazy. They're leeches.


Actually, studies show that most of the self-made rich support a tax hike. It's only the inherited rich that are against it. And since they've never actually earned anything on their own merits, I don't see why anyone should listen to them.

/trolling is fun
 
2012-12-31 07:19:31 PM  
Yes, let's keep pretending that we don't know that even if we taxed the top 1% (or it it the 2% these days? So hard to keep up) the entirety of their income- a 100% tax rate- it would only pay for about a week and change of the federal government (nevermind state taxes). Let's pretend that we aren't borrowing trillions a year and that most of it goes to entitlements. Let's pretend that Europe hasn't been doing this longer than we have, and aren't all going down the fiscal toilet. Let's pretend that we can just give everything to everyone, and things will work out.

Or, you know, we could be adults and limit the budget to what we actually take in. Just a thought.
 
2012-12-31 07:20:10 PM  

ThreeEdgedSword: This is the point when the Marines based near by and surround the capital building and not them out until they have actually come to a decision. What they are are doing is tantamount to treason. It would be a dangerous precedent to set, but, we could use an praetorian guard every now and again.


Better than treason trials, I suppose... ( Although, that's a pretty efficient & brutal way to raise revenue...)

/ likes Roman history
 
2012-12-31 07:21:39 PM  

Shades: Yes, let's keep pretending that we don't know that even if we taxed the top 1% (or it it the 2% these days? So hard to keep up) the entirety of their income- a 100% tax rate- it would only pay for about a week and change of the federal government (nevermind state taxes). Let's pretend that we aren't borrowing trillions a year and that most of it goes to entitlements. Let's pretend that Europe hasn't been doing this longer than we have, and aren't all going down the fiscal toilet. Let's pretend that we can just give everything to everyone, and things will work out.

Or, you know, we could be adults and limit the budget to what we actually take in. Just a thought.


You know how I know that you're bad at math?
 
2012-12-31 07:22:06 PM  

angrymacface: Infernalist: Well, the new congress won't have any lame duck Tea Derpers stinking up the joint. And they'll walk in with the albatross of 'high taxes' around their necks. Not a big thing for the Democrats, but the GOP? That's a big deal for them. They're going to want to fix that and do it in a hurry. They'll want to pass a bill cutting taxes for everyone, basically try to reinstate the Bush Tax Cuts, but the Senate and the President won't allow it. The Democrats 'will' try repeatedly to pass bills cutting taxes for those making under 250k, but will anticipate the GOP trying to attach riders. Expect lots of press conferences and youtube speeches from the President harassing the GOP about holding 'middle america' hostage to the desire to cut taxes for the wealthy.

For the love of god, I'm not even a politician and I'm fully aware of what they've got in store for the GOP.

True, they lost some, but they will also have a bunch of newly-elected Tea Partiers to continue the DERP. Best case scenario I can see is that nothing changes for the next two years.


They 'lost' seats in the House. A number of Tea Derpers were defeated and replaced with liberal Dems, not Blue Dogs. The Blue Dogs number less than 15 now. They're a political irrelevancy now. The Derpers number at just over 50 now, and they have a solid number of 'almost Derpers' in the establishment category. The true number of Establishment moderate GOP in the House is probably somewhere around 100 in total. The Democrats will find it much easier to find GOPers to jump ship and vote for their bills than you imagine.

As for nothing happening, that's a 'worst-case' scenario, not a best case. Best case is the sane remnants of the GOP work with the Dems to sane bills and end up ostracizing the Tea Derpers. Considering the in-fighting going on with the Tea Derpers, do you think they're going to be hunky-dory bestest buddies with the Establishment GOP after the New Year?
 
2012-12-31 07:22:15 PM  
Okay...This is how I heard it. I'm sure you folks will jump on any inaccuracies here....

The Republicans said 'Fine, we'll compromise. You can increase the taxes for everybody who makes more than a million a year'.
Obama said 'Nope. Gotta increase the taxes on everybody making 400-something thousand a year and up.'
Reps said 'No. Taxing the people who make a million or more will be plenty'.
Obama said 'No. If you don't go along with what I said, we'll just have to increase everybody's taxes across the board'.
Reps replied 'yeah. no. There's no need to do that'.
Obama replied 'fine, I'll tax the fark out of everybody, you unreasonable pricks'
 
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