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2012-12-31 02:31:03 PM
12 votes:
"Obama is the GREATEST!!!"
files.abovetopsecret.com
2012-12-31 02:31:43 PM
8 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com

RIP, Cliff
2012-12-31 02:40:35 PM
6 votes:
What are the chances some hillbilly, closet-case congressman tries to sneak in an amendment about life beginning at ejaculation?
2012-12-31 04:10:55 PM
5 votes:
Taxbongo bin Congo von Rapmaster 2000 just caused the largest tax increase in American history.  Gonna go prep the bomb shelter.  Later, n00bs.
2012-12-31 03:06:03 PM
5 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: This goes on of two ways:

1. Obama announces they have a deal, Dems complain that he's gone too far to compromise... and then the House GOP still votes against it. Obama wins. There's no way anyone can sanely argue that Obama didn't give enough.

2. This actually passes and the House GOP votes in favor of tax increases, and their supporters grab the pitchforks and fire up their "2nd Amendment Remedies" machine.


3. The President and the Congress do what is right for the country and replaces the tax code with a system of income credits, which reimburse job creators for every dollar that they make.  The Freedom Index raises to its highest point since the Reagan administration.  Taxbongo cries at the thought that his policies have benefited the country and immediately resigns.
2012-12-31 02:34:20 PM
5 votes:
RIP Cliff

userserve-ak.last.fm
2012-12-31 02:33:59 PM
5 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: Prediction: Zero people will be pleased with the result.

I hope I'm wrong.


It's not a proper compromise until everyone hates it.
2012-12-31 06:31:08 PM
4 votes:

Infernalist: chuggernaught: scubamage

That's great. Except right now my fiance earns around 61000, I earn around 70000. Between mortgage (1450/mo), student loans (~800/mo), furnace payment (350), car loan (270), and monthly bills we had around 200$ extra a month. This change could quite honestly cost us our house. I'm fine with higher taxes, just give me some time to adjust instead of jacking our taxes up overnight.

So $130,000 per year salary wise (before taxes I assume), and $34,440 going out a year in the bills you listed with dollar amounts. How much are your other bills that you only have $200 left at the end of each month? You must be oozing money somewhere else. Figure fuel, groceries, clothes, utilities, etc. I just can't figure where you're losing the rest of your salaries. Either you're trolling and committed a cardinal troll sin by using actual numbers, or you are as bad as I am when it comes to finances.

My math showed him with just over 7000 a month after bills that he listed. He's either got one HELL of a coke habit or he's a retarded troll.


t.qkme.me
2012-12-31 02:40:28 PM
4 votes:
Obama still has plenty of time to cave in completely. He only offered up 90% of what the GOP wanted in his last proposal.
2012-12-31 02:36:55 PM
4 votes:
Glad to see Obama using that whopping mandate he got from his sweeping 51% of the vote.
2012-12-31 02:31:44 PM
4 votes:
I wouldn't actually be that concerned about it, but the person in our HR dept. who handles payroll is about as sensible and grounded as a dirigible shaped like a porcupine and I can't really envision any scenario at this point where he gets any part of our federal withholding right for about the first four months of 2013...
2012-12-31 02:31:05 PM
4 votes:
Personally I'm rooting for the fiscal cliff.
2012-12-31 03:42:16 PM
3 votes:
OK can someone explain the Fiscal Cliff deadlines to me?

Cause if this happens, it looks like it's gonna happen that some time zones that meet a midnight Dec 31st deadline and not others.

"Well, it looks like the Eastern seaboard has gone over the Fiscal Cliff, we managed to save Mountain and Pacific. Central was lost to the Fiscal Cliff by only 38 seconds. Bravely, Obama had jumped to the edge and caught it by a single hand, yet ultimately the weight of an entire time zone already passed proved too great. The anguish on his face was palpable as his solid grasp slipped from wrist to hand and then only fingertips and then slipped and he could do nothing but watch it freefall and bash on the rocks below and be dragged off by the crashing waves lapping at the rocks."
2012-12-31 03:29:16 PM
3 votes:
Also, I hope all of these "low income" 250Kers can keep their refrigerators if their taxes go up.
2012-12-31 02:59:17 PM
3 votes:

Brick-House: Emerging you say...

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 288x360]



You shouldn't post personal information like your picture online.
2012-12-31 02:40:10 PM
3 votes:
Government should do what a responsible American would do in the same situation. STOP spending so much and live within your means, its all very simple.
2012-12-31 02:39:36 PM
3 votes:

Lupine Chemist: lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.

It really doesn't matter at those levels. Seriously at the $450k cutoff it's a couple thousand dollars. I'm sorry but on almost 40 grand a month gross, a couple hundred a month isn't a huge hit.


But then I can't buy that ivory back scratcher... :-(
2012-12-31 02:35:34 PM
3 votes:
A deal that doesn't obviate the debt limit, gains a pathetic $800 billion in revenue, and takes an axe to Social Security (which is practically irrelevant to the deficit).

Obama is the worst poker player alive.
2012-12-31 02:34:09 PM
3 votes:
Taking bets now on all previously mentioned talking points!

3 to 1 he cuts Social Security in exchange for a new assault weapon ban
4 to 1 he ignores everything the Republicans throw at him
5 to 1 he gets the cap raised to 450k, but has to eat a baby wrapped in puppies on CSPAN

Takers?
2012-12-31 06:50:12 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: bartink: skullkrusher: Why not a deduction indexed to the cost of living? We can keep the brackets the same but give people greater (or lesser) breaks on what is taxable income based on the relative cost of their area.

How localized is that area? By state? City? Neighborhood? Do we give a rich person that blows their money on a nice house in a nice neighborhood a bigger tax break, instead of encouraging investment? And then cost of living becomes a political football, to be argued over.

As much as I'd like to stick it to those rural retards that call urbanites moochers for wanting more robust government, that doesn't seem like a workable solution to me.

it wouldn't be based on what you spend money on. Everyone gets a standard deduction of $5k and change. How is that fair? it's not and no one seems to give a shiat


Skullkrusher, when I tell my 5 year old daughter it's time for bed, you know what she says? "IT'S NOT FAIR!"

Good to see you're at least keeping up with her on your debate skills.
2012-12-31 05:37:10 PM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com

/RON PAUL!1!!1!!eleventy!1!

/fiscal cliffs aren't in the Constitution
2012-12-31 05:36:35 PM
2 votes:
coolimagehost.net
THE BONING CONTINUES!
2012-12-31 05:25:29 PM
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: how's that since 0bama has proposed more spending?


So, in THIS thread you know the difference between the debt and the deficit?
2012-12-31 05:20:39 PM
2 votes:
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
2012-12-31 04:13:26 PM
2 votes:
John McCain is on CNN right now with... Barbara Bush? Wait, that's Lindsey Graham.
2012-12-31 04:11:24 PM
2 votes:

jigger: Taxes aren't a penalty? WTF is the Obamandate about? How is that enforced? What do they call the tax you are charged for non-compliance? They call it "the penalty."


Because a tax that is  intended asa penalty is not the same as the taxes that are inherently part of society. They are, in fact, different. Much as your IQ score probably is from the left half of the bell curve.
2012-12-31 04:10:22 PM
2 votes:

thenewmissus: TofuTheAlmighty: A deal that doesn't obviate the debt limit, gains a pathetic $800 billion in revenue, and takes an axe to Social Security (which is practically irrelevant to the deficit).

Obama is the worst poker player alive.

I hate to admit it, but I agree with you. I would have rather seen us go off the cliff and come back with DOD cuts and some Medicare cuts and tax rate increase. I voted for Obama bit I was hoping he would be tougher in negotiations. Republicans would get the blame for it anyway so why compromise on key issues like SS?

/IMHO


in the fall, the GOP was campaigning for a revenue decrease/"revenue neutral" tax reform and $4 trillion in spending cuts.

after the election, the GOP offers $800 billion in revenue from unspecified tax reform and $2 trillion in spending cuts.

this deal has $1.2 trillion in new revenue, half of which has already been specified, and $1.1 trillion in spending cuts.

Obama's post-election offer was $1.6 trillion in revenue, $400 billion of which was already specified, and $850 billion in spending cuts.

and yet, to the Farklib, Obama is the weak one.

/cognitive dissonance isn't just for teabaggers, obviously.
2012-12-31 03:58:47 PM
2 votes:
Screencap of the behind-the-scenes negotiations:

www.tvchoicemagazine.co.uk

"Members of the Tea Party! I give you ONE last chance. Accept the deal and avert the Fiscal Cliff...."

followed by.....

"....then, I am so so sorry. This will be your undoing, and remember that you did this to yourselves...."
2012-12-31 03:55:49 PM
2 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: I just want them to finalize the damn thing so I can decide if I'm better off quitting my job or not.


Don't do that. How're they going to function with just one guy on fries?
2012-12-31 03:26:25 PM
2 votes:

david_gaithersburg: coeyagi: shower_in_my_socks: david_gaithersburg: The cheapest house in MoCo is $350K, and that's for a tear down. So yeah, $250K is low.


And the cheapest house on Carbon Beach in Malibu is $10M. Won't somebody please think of the "lower middle-class" millionaires living on Carbon Beach? It's a stupid argument. $250k/year is a shiatload of money. I live better than most people I know, in an expensive city, and I make less than half that.

I am not entirely sure why we keep engaging this guy. His math is pretty indicative of the brainfarts of a mongoloid. Because your average mongoloid thinks that the DC region should be the litmus test for tax rates.

.
I love fark. Yeah my math sucks. I retired at 42, came out of retirement to lead the finical workings of an global company. They wanted me because my math sucks. LOL!


So you're saying you're sort of a big deal? I bet you have many leather bound books and your apartment smells of rich mahogany.
2012-12-31 03:08:40 PM
2 votes:

lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.


Never, in the history of the internet, has this image been more appropriate:
i303.photobucket.com
2012-12-31 02:57:09 PM
2 votes:
Holy fark my first greenlight. Poop jokes and politics for the win.
2012-12-31 02:55:14 PM
2 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Lupine Chemist: david_gaithersburg: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

.
You either do not live on the West Coast or the North East, or you have yet to enter the workforce. $250k is low middle income in the DC region.

While certainly not rich, don't lie and call it low there either. That's on the upper middle class side of things even around there to be sure. Sorry if you moved to Potomac, MD and you "feel" poor, but you don't get to say it's not a lot of money because you don't have any left after spending it all on expensive things.

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The cheapest house in MoCo is $350K, and that's for a tear down. So yeah, $250K is low.


Good point. The median American income is $300,000 per year.
2012-12-31 02:43:24 PM
2 votes:
I hope enough Republicans in the House see the wisdom of avoiding this manufactured crisis.
2012-12-31 02:41:07 PM
2 votes:

sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx


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You either do not live on the West Coast or the North East, or you have yet to enter the workforce. $250k is low middle income in the DC region.
2012-12-31 02:39:54 PM
2 votes:
Ezra Klein  @ezraklein
That said, if the presser really does hurt a deal, Congress is a more ridiculous, trivial place than I gave it credit for.

Ezra Klein  @ezrakleinI really look forward to the first member of congress who says they can't vote for the deal because the president was too merry

Ezra Klein  @ezrakleinThere was a time when politics was so grim only the Onion could adequately cover it. Now it's so stupid that I think it's up to GIFs.
2012-12-31 02:38:39 PM
2 votes:
(skipped: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread)
2012-12-31 02:38:29 PM
2 votes:

lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.


Ok!
2012-12-31 02:38:10 PM
2 votes:

ChipNASA: Wangiss: nekom: What if the debt ceiling and the fiscal cliff had a baby?

They're working on it.

*exactly*


a.abcnews.com
2012-12-31 02:35:14 PM
2 votes:

lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.


It's not a penalty. It's a love bite!
2012-12-31 02:35:02 PM
2 votes:

nekom: What if the debt ceiling and the fiscal cliff had a baby?


They did.

www.examiner.com
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-12-31 02:32:14 PM
2 votes:

ChuDogg: Personally I'm rooting for the fiscal cliff.


I'm rooting for the debt ceiling.

SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING!!!
2012-12-31 02:31:11 PM
2 votes:
Too late for Headline of the Year?
2012-12-31 02:30:01 PM
2 votes:
poop?
2013-01-02 02:03:44 PM
1 votes:
HOPE IS COMING OUT?

blogs.villagevoice.com
2013-01-01 04:21:16 AM
1 votes:

Scorpinock: If the House doesn't pass the compromise, they should be forced to get gay married.

/Looking for the Morning After Bill


That is what the sitcom about the Clintons should be called.
2013-01-01 03:43:31 AM
1 votes:
If the House doesn't pass the compromise, they should be forced to get gay married.

/Looking for the Morning After Bill
2013-01-01 12:07:20 AM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: yes, we learned that we are not even willing to defend our embassy and ambassador in Benghazi.


www.upsonsfarm.co.uk

//you know she smexy
2012-12-31 11:52:08 PM
1 votes:

Frederick: SuperNinjaToad: I would call nukes more of a deterrent type weapon system. Aircraft carriers would fall close to that area as well...Everyone knows that nukes are so outrageously dangerous and a weapon of such unimaginable horror that having even just one can actually minimize the risk or war or total escalation. In some ironic and discombobulated ways having nukes is actually a good thing.

I agree with bolded.  My point is we can scale back that spending a lot and still maintain the effects.  The language we use is purposeful.  The term "Defense spending" is used because of the perception it creates.  As if cutting "defense spending" would leave us vulnerable -when it wouldnt.  I find that purposeful use intentionally misleading.

Also, I know this will be unpopular, but we loose a little bit of the integrity of saying "deterrent" when we actually used nukes (A-bombs) offensively previously.


Hey, we deterred the shiat out of those people!
2012-12-31 09:54:58 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-12-31 09:35:26 PM
1 votes:
It's

JolobinSmokin: I like potatoes.

And

RIP Heathcliffe


It's no myth
2012-12-31 09:17:25 PM
1 votes:

peterthx: johnnyrocket: Is this becoming clear for everyone?? The Republicans want to:

CUT Social Security
CUT Medicare
CUT Unemployment benefits
CUT Food stamps

at the same time:

CUT taxes on billionaires
NOT CUT a dime out of military contract spending.

Is it crystal clear which side the Republicans are on?

You're using that dipshiat liberal math where increasing spending on social programs by 10% instead of 15% is seen as a "cut".

The same math that says "the rich" only pay so-&-so Federal Income Taxes and ignore State and local taxes so it ends up someone making only $50k a year never sees over a THIRD of their pay.


Look, it's trying to use words! Awww...
2012-12-31 09:05:19 PM
1 votes:

incendi: DamnYankees: In every place 100K is quite wealthy. That's the point.

Nah, it's relatively high income. You can have that income, be an idiot with your money, and never achieve wealthiness.


So taxing it would be doing you a favor, really...

StopLurkListen: Going kinda off-topic here (but what else is new, hello Fark) -- violent crime has dropped so far and so fast that it's impossible to ascribe it to any one factor. Did five times as many couples get married since 1991? Of course not. I agree with everything you said, though. The five-fold drop in violent crime is a welcome but puzzling development.


It is a little known fact that the vast majority of crime in LA was conducted by one particular girl, who mysteriously disappeared in late 1990 resulting in a dramatic decrease in said crime.
=Smidge=
2012-12-31 08:57:27 PM
1 votes:

lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.


No one asked you to be moderately successful.
2012-12-31 07:43:07 PM
1 votes:
imgc.allpostersimages.com

"I do benefits for all religions. I'd hate to blow the hereafter on a technicality."
2012-12-31 07:31:12 PM
1 votes:
Sir,

Please squeeze these balls as tightly as possible.

Thank you, Mr. President, Sir.

*bow*

*)
2012-12-31 07:11:11 PM
1 votes:

heap: so we're fixing the nation's finances, *and* offering services up to individual farkers as financial planners?

i just keep picturing the 'The Offices of Torg, Torg, and Torg - Accountants at Internet' sign.


Guaranteed to be audit-free...or your potato back!
2012-12-31 06:52:26 PM
1 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: rohar: scubamage: chuggernaught: scubamage

That's great. Except right now my fiance earns around 61000, I earn around 70000. Between mortgage (1450/mo), student loans (~800/mo), furnace payment (350), car loan (270), and monthly bills we had around 200$ extra a month. This change could quite honestly cost us our house. I'm fine with higher taxes, just give me some time to adjust instead of jacking our taxes up overnight.

So $130,000 per year salary wise (before taxes I assume), and $34,440 going out a year in the bills you listed with dollar amounts. How much are your other bills that you only have $200 left at the end of each month? You must be oozing money somewhere else. Figure fuel, groceries, clothes, utilities, etc. I just can't figure where you're losing the rest of your salaries. Either you're trolling and committed a cardinal troll sin by using actual numbers, or you are as bad as I am when it comes to finances.

She's a teacher so she instantly loses 7% of her salary to state pension funds, then another 5% to her 403b (it's a bargaining item for the union, so she has to do it, it's not something she can "decline". Her bi-weekly takehome is $1100. Mine is $1475.

That still leaves you almost $40k for hookers and blow. Not sure why you're complaining.

Probably because you NEED his money to survive.


i.imgur.com
2012-12-31 06:44:12 PM
1 votes:

scubamage: Infernalist: Well, your retardation continues. With your new numbers, your fiance's take home went from 60k to less than 29k. Your own take home went from 70k to 38k.

I think you should probably pick up a second job, son.

I'd love to if I didn't spend 5 hours a day commuting (1 hour on a train plus 1.5 hours on the road, each way). Sadly with the size of my student loans, there's not a lot of places in my immediate area that can pay enough for me to stay solvent, so I eat around 600$ a month on commuting costs (191$ for train, ~300 on gas, 24$ for parking). Moving isn't an option because the fiance has tenure as an arts teacher, so if she left she'd most likely not find another job (thanks to Corbett and the other politicians cutting school funding).

And I'd appreciate it if you'd stop acting like I'm a tard, considering I'm willing to put in the time to keep our heads above water. I keep immaculate records of my finances, I've never missed a payment to anyone, I know exactly where my money is going. But because I can't afford a sudden increase of 580$ a month I'm somehow a retard. I'm not the sort of person you should be going after - I'm sure there are plenty of assholes around ignoring their taxes and leeching off the system that are far more deserving of the label.

Sounds to me like your fiance is the one holding you guys back.

Why don't you drop the dead weight?
2012-12-31 06:32:44 PM
1 votes:
i2.listal.com
Don't Panic Don't Panic!!!
2012-12-31 06:29:46 PM
1 votes:

chuggernaught: scubamage

That's great. Except right now my fiance earns around 61000, I earn around 70000. Between mortgage (1450/mo), student loans (~800/mo), furnace payment (350), car loan (270), and monthly bills we had around 200$ extra a month. This change could quite honestly cost us our house. I'm fine with higher taxes, just give me some time to adjust instead of jacking our taxes up overnight.

So $130,000 per year salary wise (before taxes I assume), and $34,440 going out a year in the bills you listed with dollar amounts. How much are your other bills that you only have $200 left at the end of each month? You must be oozing money somewhere else. Figure fuel, groceries, clothes, utilities, etc. I just can't figure where you're losing the rest of your salaries. Either you're trolling and committed a cardinal troll sin by using actual numbers, or you are as bad as I am when it comes to finances.


My math showed him with just over 7000 a month after bills that he listed. He's either got one HELL of a coke habit or he's a retarded troll.
2012-12-31 06:28:19 PM
1 votes:
scubamage

That's great. Except right now my fiance earns around 61000, I earn around 70000. Between mortgage (1450/mo), student loans (~800/mo), furnace payment (350), car loan (270), and monthly bills we had around 200$ extra a month. This change could quite honestly cost us our house. I'm fine with higher taxes, just give me some time to adjust instead of jacking our taxes up overnight.

So $130,000 per year salary wise (before taxes I assume), and $34,440 going out a year in the bills you listed with dollar amounts. How much are your other bills that you only have $200 left at the end of each month? You must be oozing money somewhere else. Figure fuel, groceries, clothes, utilities, etc. I just can't figure where you're losing the rest of your salaries. Either you're trolling and committed a cardinal troll sin by using actual numbers, or you are as bad as I am when it comes to finances.
2012-12-31 06:27:59 PM
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: scubamage: That's great. Except right now my fiance earns around 61000, I earn around 70000. Between mortgage (1450/mo), student loans (~800/mo), furnace payment (350), car loan (270), and monthly bills we had around 200$ extra a month. This change could quite honestly cost us our house. I'm fine with higher taxes, just give me some time to adjust instead of jacking our taxes up overnight.

You have $8,000/month in random "monthly bills" that you didn't list?


Coke, it's a helll of a drug.
2012-12-31 06:15:51 PM
1 votes:

Mighty Taternuts: The whole 250k in New York City is such a bullshiat argument.

The median household income in New York City is like 66k, 1/4 of 250k. If you make 4 times the average family you can stand a 3% hit on your income above 250k.


MY GOD MAN!  If you make $260k, that's $300 more!  Do you not realize that's the difference between taking the subway to the MET and DRIVING to the MET?  It's worth donating $2700 every four years to the GOP presidential candidate to prevent that!
2012-12-31 06:06:33 PM
1 votes:

Mighty Taternuts: The whole 250k in New York City is such a bullshiat argument.

The median household income in New York City is like 66k, 1/4 of 250k. If you make 4 times the average family you can stand a 3% hit on your income above 250k.


Fool. Anyone who wants to be anyone in New York City has to replace their entire wardrobe seasonally to remain fashion-forward. A 3% hit will affect their shopping!
2012-12-31 06:03:32 PM
1 votes:

Hermione_Granger: All that means is that the spineless bastard probably gave the Republicans everything they asked for.

He makes me sick and his inability to stick to his guns pisses me off. Of all the Charlie Browns, he is the Charlie Browniest and Boehner is Lucy with the farking football.


that was a racial joke, wasn't it?
2012-12-31 05:55:33 PM
1 votes:

webthing01: [img17.imageshack.us image 850x370]


I have you farkied as a birthed.

Confirm or deny so I can update my records.
2012-12-31 05:53:00 PM
1 votes:
img17.imageshack.us
2012-12-31 05:29:58 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Marine1: Get some Marines from around the Commandant's barracks in DC. Put them at the chamber doors of the House of Representatives, armed. No one leaves until a bill is crafted and handed to the Senate and President's desk.

While that really sounds appealing, I'd rather not give any Obama Will Enact Martial Law Conspiracy Theorists figurative ammunition.  They literally have enough as it is.


Once we have armed guards at every school, then in every public space, it will be easier for Obama to declare himself president for life.
2012-12-31 05:26:39 PM
1 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: You sound Randian.


files.dailycontributor.com
2012-12-31 05:25:22 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Marine1: Get some Marines from around the Commandant's barracks in DC. Put them at the chamber doors of the House of Representatives, armed. No one leaves until a bill is crafted and handed to the Senate and President's desk.

While that really sounds appealing, I'd rather not give any Obama Will Enact Martial Law Conspiracy Theorists figurative ammunition.  They literally have enough as it is.


If you operate on the premise of not giving those people ammunition, there's going to be a lot you won't accomplish.
2012-12-31 05:21:44 PM
1 votes:

Wangiss: Uranus Is Huge!: Wangiss: unlikely: Wangiss: I'm definitely not a spoiled prick

The "Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow" nature of your arguments suggests otherwise.

"Entitled" is when you demand the sweat of another man's brow. I pay my taxes. I'd gladly pay a higher rate to my state if it asked. The federal government should diminish. They're the ones blowing up people.

You're thinking of 'self-entitled.'

You sound Randian.

I've never read Rand. Any work in particular you recommend?


No. Unless you're an insomniac sociopath.
2012-12-31 05:18:24 PM
1 votes:
This thread is goddamn bonkers.
2012-12-31 05:12:29 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: vrax: Every single one of these GOP assholes should automatically be thrown out of office at midnight. There is no larger pile of shiat in US than the current GOP.

Senate GOP was at least willing to work for a deal.  It's the House GOP that's the real problem at the moment.


OK, at midnight we just throw the Senate GOP out and send the House GOP to the gallows. There, fair and balanced.
2012-12-31 05:08:54 PM
1 votes:

Wangiss: djkutch: Wangiss: bartink: Wangiss: The government loves entitlements because they can always adjust the price after the fact.

What does that mean?

If you got money from the government, your levied debt of gratitude and its monetary component can increase at the whim of legislators because you supposedly bought into the social contract. My parents were on welfare. As an adult, I will be reminded of this by spend-moar types who believe I owe the government for that. Never mind that children can't enter contracts. The social contract is special.

The social contract is special. Otherwise, you may have been an orphan dependent on the government.

Oh, wait...

The government only claims the child if the people say it can. If the government declared all children wards of the state, I suppose they could exact everything. How far from absolute is the ruling class' power now? I don't like it. You're welcome to approve of the government spending on whatever they want if you like.


And, unicorns could fly out of all our butts.
2012-12-31 05:05:30 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: No reason to raise taxes on the rich, none. Makes no dent.

But.... gets Obama and Democrats tons of votes, because their worshipers are stupid, vengeful people.

All this is about, votes. More and more idiots vote Democrat, and they breed faster, means liberal politicians stay rich.


Go home, Mitt. You're drunk.
2012-12-31 05:04:36 PM
1 votes:

Active introvert: The combined income of my sister and her husband is around 260K. My sister is a school teacher at a private school teaching 1st graders. Her husband works for a company that provides floor sealants for industrial floors, he's a supervisor. They work very hard and both have had their jobs for over 10 years. These people are not the 1%.These people aren't rich. These are hard working Americans who work hard for their money and while they live comfortably, they EARNED IT. Why should they pay more so entitalment programs to "help" those who don't wish to work can continue?


So that when your brother in law gets laid off, or your sister has a stroke and can't work anymore, there will be a safety net for them so that they won't have to go live in their Beamer.
2012-12-31 05:00:55 PM
1 votes:

Kuroshin: Great_Milenko: Wolf Blitzer just announced on TV that the House of Representatives has adjourned and will not reconvene.

Assholes.

Anything to make the n*gger look bad, right Bohner?

Except that this actually makes the Dems look better by comparison.  Instead of bothering to vote for anything at all, they decided to just pack up and go home.


True, but they're still living in the bubble where they can say with a straight face that this is all the President's fault.
2012-12-31 04:47:16 PM
1 votes:

grimlock1972: a deal will be done and no one will be perfectly happy about it, the repubs will be the least happy but they painted themselves into a corner and have no escape they are damned if the do and damned if they don't.


The House is adjourned and the GOP is going home. The deal isn't gonna happen unless Boehner can force them to come back in and vote.
2012-12-31 04:44:50 PM
1 votes:

Active introvert: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

The combined income of my sister and her husband is around 260K. My sister is a school teacher at a private school teaching 1st graders. Her husband works for a company that provides floor sealants for industrial floors, he's a supervisor. They work very hard and both have had their jobs for over 10 years. These people are not the 1%.These people aren't rich. These are hard working Americans who work hard for their money and while they live comfortably, they EARNED IT. Why should they pay more so entitalment programs to "help" those who don't wish to work can continue?


They have to pay more because the society they are a part of needs it, and they're fortunate enough to be amongst the wealthy who can afford it.

If they share your ignorant views and talking points, go fark off to Mexico. Oh wait, there isn't a society there for them to earn 260K a year is there?

Benalto: Active introvert: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

The combined income of my sister and her husband is around 260K. My sister is a school teacher at a private school teaching 1st graders. Her husband works for a company that provides floor sealants for industrial floors, he's a supervisor. They work very hard and both have had their jobs for over 10 years. These people are not the 1%.These people aren't rich. These are hard working Americans who work hard for their money and while they live comfortably, they EARNED IT. Why should they pay more so entitalment programs to "help" those who don't wish to work can continue?

They'll only pay the additional tax on the last 10K. You know that was in the proposal, right? The tax rates only kick in after the maximum income of the previous bracket.


That doesn't matter to him, because you see, they EARNED it, they EARNED it, do you understand?

Also people who are unemployed don't want to work, so it's their own fault.
2012-12-31 04:42:33 PM
1 votes:
Currently on CNN: How dare that black fella crack jokes during this fictional "crisis."
2012-12-31 04:39:44 PM
1 votes:

Active introvert: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

The combined income of my sister and her husband is around 260K. My sister is a school teacher at a private school teaching 1st graders. Her husband works for a company that provides floor sealants for industrial floors, he's a supervisor. They work very hard and both have had their jobs for over 10 years. These people are not the 1%.These people aren't rich. These are hard working Americans who work hard for their money and while they live comfortably, they EARNED IT. Why should they pay more so entitalment programs to "help" those who don't wish to work can continue?


If they make $260k, and the rate is set for $250k and above, they're going to pay an additional 4% on $10,000 in income, or $400, or $33 a month. Boo farkin' hoo.
2012-12-31 04:38:48 PM
1 votes:

Active introvert: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

The combined income of my sister and her husband is around 260K. My sister is a school teacher at a private school teaching 1st graders. Her husband works for a company that provides floor sealants for industrial floors, he's a supervisor. They work very hard and both have had their jobs for over 10 years. These people are not the 1%.These people aren't rich. These are hard working Americans who work hard for their money and while they live comfortably, they EARNED IT. Why should they pay more so entitalment programs to "help" those who don't wish to work can continue?


Well, my sister and her husband are hard working people who make 248k a year and I'm just fine with this deal.

My anecdote negates your own.
2012-12-31 04:36:06 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-12-31 04:20:10 PM
1 votes:

thenewmissus: The House won't send a serious budget, instead they send crap and then point fingers that the Dems won't pass it.


to Democrats, anything less than a $1.3TN yearly deficit is "partisan wankery"
2012-12-31 04:14:34 PM
1 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: Vectron: It drives the KKK GOP crazy to have a black man in the White House and they strike out blindly in frustration. They have only one goal in mind and that is to destroy our proposistion nation. Then they want to return blacks to slavery and take away the vote from women.

Am I doing it right?

Actually you're almost spot on. Although, they're okay not re-enslaving the blacks as long as they can disenfranchise them along with the ladies.


The KKK are Democrats. This has always been the case. It doesn't matter, really. And I'm sure you know the real racist intent of Republican hearts because you majick that way, but the KKK are and always have been Democrats.
2012-12-31 04:14:00 PM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: coeyagi: shower_in_my_socks: david_gaithersburg: The cheapest house in MoCo is $350K, and that's for a tear down. So yeah, $250K is low.


And the cheapest house on Carbon Beach in Malibu is $10M. Won't somebody please think of the "lower middle-class" millionaires living on Carbon Beach? It's a stupid argument. $250k/year is a shiatload of money. I live better than most people I know, in an expensive city, and I make less than half that.

I am not entirely sure why we keep engaging this guy. His math is pretty indicative of the brainfarts of a mongoloid. Because your average mongoloid thinks that the DC region should be the litmus test for tax rates.

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I love fark. Yeah my math sucks. I retired at 42, came out of retirement to lead the finical workings of an global company. They wanted me because my math sucks. LOL!


No, they wanted you for your awesome spelling, and burning comebacks on Fark.
2012-12-31 04:07:39 PM
1 votes:
i48.tinypic.com
2012-12-31 04:02:52 PM
1 votes:

Orange-Pippin: bulldg4life: I'm always amazed at how these threads are filled with people that struggle to understand the progressive tax structure.

I'm always amazed at how people who claim to be rich want to do so little for their country in return. But, honestly I don't believe the wealthy have a nation. They are really Postnational. Arguing economics for "good of the nation" is probably a waste of time.


And I'm always amazed by just how many of the non-wealthy will line up to suck some wealthy cock.
2012-12-31 03:54:32 PM
1 votes:
I just want them to finalize the damn thing so I can decide if I'm better off quitting my job or not.
2012-12-31 03:52:09 PM
1 votes:
I'm always amazed at how these threads are filled with people that struggle to understand the progressive tax structure.
2012-12-31 03:50:14 PM
1 votes:

lenfromak: sonnyboy11: lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.

I would be hit. Don't have a problem with it. Taxes are not a "penalty".

A progressive income tax is.


Sound economic policy is now a "penalty".  You, sir, are quite the economist.  You should write a book.
2012-12-31 03:43:17 PM
1 votes:
How cool would it be if Grover Norquist called a press conference in his bathroom and went 'Budd Dwyer' by drowning himself in the tub?

I'd wager not a single reporter would intervene.
2012-12-31 03:36:21 PM
1 votes:
hope no one knocks on the door and makes it go back in...

Link
2012-12-31 03:32:44 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: Billy House @HouseInSession
House GOP Leadership Source: Republican conference later today/early evening on McConnell-Biden plan.


What are the odds of this passing in the House?


I keep praying that we see the Tea Party contingent of the House start screaming "No taxation without representation!" on the floor of the House.
2012-12-31 03:32:29 PM
1 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: Somacandra: Uranus Is Huge!: Conservative thinking, by definition, rejects new ideas in faor of the status quo. Basically, conservative thought is largely composed of fondly reminiscing about when gas cost a quarter and darkies knew their place.

[i.imgur.com image 191x300]

I wouldn't call myself a Conservative, but that's a pretty serious strawman. You can't take Mitch McConnell  to represent Russell Kirk or Edmund Burke or Irving Babbitt any more than you can take Bill Clinton to represent John Rawls. The conservative intellectual tradition, inter alia,  harbors a necessary skepticism to the progressive perfectability of humanity often envisioned by liberals.

Okay, fine. ...modern conservative thought.

Progress ALWAYS wins! Suck it and enjoy your New Year.


A NEW YEAR? WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE 1960 AGAIN?
2012-12-31 03:20:55 PM
1 votes:

deanis: ChipNASA: [i1191.photobucket.com image 275x200]
"The Democrats will Fix This, Don't you all worry none
You'll have your cell phones and Your welfare checks but you ain't got no guns
Obammy's got yer back, Senate's gonna get er' done

Go back to your protesting, And watching CNN
Hillary's gonna be OK, Chocolate Jesus has Risen AGAIN!"

lolwut


I'm just trying to make as much sense as the folks inside the Beltway.
2012-12-31 03:17:22 PM
1 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: Prediction: Zero people will be pleased with the result.

I hope I'm wrong.


Just so long as the unemployment extensions are passed. Means another 20 weeks of $412 a week, as opposed to my new claim of $205 per week for 26 weeks (with four extensions available on that).

Oh, and also continuation of the federal contributions to Section 8 Housing subsidies, since I've found that my wife has been put at the front of the waiting list because of her disability.

Oh, and also the expanded federal subsidies for CalFresh.

/Thanks, Mr. Taxpayer.
2012-12-31 03:15:45 PM
1 votes:

Cataholic: Shut up and give 'til it hurts, citizen!


People gave their personal money to the government to use for war efforts in WW2, but you know, because 60 years later paying taxes is considered socialism instead of helping your nation, your joke is hilarious.
2012-12-31 03:12:43 PM
1 votes:
i1191.photobucket.com
"The Democrats will Fix This, Don't you all worry none
You'll have your cell phones and Your welfare checks but you ain't got no guns
Obammy's got yer back, Senate's gonna get er' done

Go back to your protesting, And watching CNN
Hillary's gonna be OK, Chocolate Jesus has Risen AGAIN!"
2012-12-31 03:11:16 PM
1 votes:
A Scene at the Fiscal Cliff
As imagined by Brantgoose

Obama: (boots Republican Member of Congress off of cliff)
Michelle Obama: (cheerfully) Buh-bye!

(Repeat as necessary)
2012-12-31 03:09:18 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Jake Steed: Government should do what a responsible American would do in the same situation. STOP spending so much and live within your means, its all very simple.

You should have said something BEFORE we started two land wars in Asia and simultaneously cut rich people's taxes.


Yeah!

Damn Fartbongo and his magic time machine for doing that to us!
2012-12-31 03:09:15 PM
1 votes:
Is it bad I read that in Jon Stewart's voice?
2012-12-31 03:07:44 PM
1 votes:
img.youtube.com
2012-12-31 03:05:55 PM
1 votes:
Wow you guys.

www.reactiongifs.com
2012-12-31 03:04:45 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: Betrayal_By_Tyrannosaur: Holy fark my first greenlight. Poop jokes and politics for the win.

Congratulations! :)
It's on fire.


a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
2012-12-31 03:04:41 PM
1 votes:

coeyagi: Yeah, which means a bunch of hicks with rifles and yellow snake flags shouting retarded rhetoric in a Southern Drawl.



...While dressed as Revolutionary War reenactors.
2012-12-31 03:03:03 PM
1 votes:

ProfessorOhki: Yeah... I admit, I sort of want to see what would happen. A halving of the deficit triggered by partisan dickery and an inability to make compromises? That's some popcorn politics.


If only that didn't come with a supersize side of throwing-the-economy-back-into-the-shiatter, I'd join you.
2012-12-31 03:02:01 PM
1 votes:

Pincy: Cataholic: Pincy: lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.

It's not a penalty. It's your civic duty. You are doing better than the vast majority of Americans. Stop whining.

Shut up and give 'til it hurts, citizen!

Oh noes, they want to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans back to the same rate it was a few decades ago!!! Surely this will mean the end of civilized society as we know it.


But it would be if we cut spending back to those days, amirite?
2012-12-31 03:00:13 PM
1 votes:

meddleRPI: incendi: david_gaithersburg: The cheapest house in MoCo is $350K, and that's for a tear down. So yeah, $250K is low.

No. With an income of $250,000 per year you can afford something called a "car" or "subway tokens" and can commute from somewhere cheaper. Sorry, you're still wrong.

Clearly, you've never been to Montgomery County or tried to commute in any of the surrounding areas, because "subway tokens" would only be useful for a five dollar footlong, and "anywhere cheaper" means a four-hour daily commute.


Come on, you can get a house in the hood somewhere in PG county for $200k, including the bars on the windows.
2012-12-31 03:00:09 PM
1 votes:
This goes on of two ways:

1. Obama announces they have a deal, Dems complain that he's gone too far to compromise... and then the House GOP still votes against it. Obama wins. There's no way anyone can sanely argue that Obama didn't give enough.

2. This actually passes and the House GOP votes in favor of tax increases, and their supporters grab the pitchforks and fire up their "2nd Amendment Remedies" machine.
2012-12-31 02:59:28 PM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: david_gaithersburg: The cheapest house in MoCo is $350K, and that's for a tear down. So yeah, $250K is low.


And the cheapest house on Carbon Beach in Malibu is $10M. Won't somebody please think of the "lower middle-class" millionaires living on Carbon Beach? It's a stupid argument. $250k/year is a shiatload of money. I live better than most people I know, in an expensive city, and I make less than half that.


I am not entirely sure why we keep engaging this guy. His math is pretty indicative of the brainfarts of a mongoloid. Because your average mongoloid thinks that the DC region should be the litmus test for tax rates.
2012-12-31 02:58:39 PM
1 votes:

lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.


HOW IN THE HELL is paying LESS then the taxes you paid in the last war "Penalize"?

you just showed us all why we hate conservative american-hating douchebags. Go do your part - and when it's too much.. you'll know you're finally being honorable.
2012-12-31 02:56:59 PM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: The cheapest house in MoCo is $350K, and that's for a tear down. So yeah, $250K is low.


The cheapest Trump Tower penthouse is like $15 million. So for people who live in the penthouse of Trump Tower, $250k is pretty much broke.
2012-12-31 02:55:30 PM
1 votes:

sonnyboy11: Gosling: Talk to me when there's an actual deal. I'm more inclined to think this is Obama just trying to use a bit of the massive amounts of leverage he has here.

Wouldn't surprise me if that's the case.


@ethanklapper: McConnell: "I can report we've reached an agreement on all the tax issues. We are very, very close."
2012-12-31 02:55:00 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: DamnYankees: That's nonsense. Deciding to live in expensive cities IS CONSUMPTION. You are actively choosing to live in a place which gets you certain benefits. It's no different than any other kind of consumption. The idea of adjusting tax rates for that would simply be a massive subsidy towards a certain type of consumption.

There are many places where $100k is quite wealthy.


In every place 100K is quite wealthy. That's the point.
2012-12-31 02:52:03 PM
1 votes:

lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.


Okay, I hear your plight. Tell you what, we won't penalize you. We'll give you the same tax cuts as everyone else making $250k or less. I think we can compromise on that. Call your (R) congresspeople, I'll call my (D) ones to let them know.

Deal?
2012-12-31 02:51:08 PM
1 votes:

Lupine Chemist: david_gaithersburg: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

.
You either do not live on the West Coast or the North East, or you have yet to enter the workforce. $250k is low middle income in the DC region.

While certainly not rich, don't lie and call it low there either. That's on the upper middle class side of things even around there to be sure. Sorry if you moved to Potomac, MD and you "feel" poor, but you don't get to say it's not a lot of money because you don't have any left after spending it all on expensive things.


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The cheapest house in MoCo is $350K, and that's for a tear down. So yeah, $250K is low.
2012-12-31 02:50:26 PM
1 votes:
Sure. By 'deal' you mean he's running out the clock on the GOP so he can look like the good guy. Still gets tax increases for the wealthy. I guess we'll see which government programs get cut, and which social programs get the Robin Hood treatment.
2012-12-31 02:49:03 PM
1 votes:
Talk to me when there's an actual deal. I'm more inclined to think this is Obama just trying to use a bit of the massive amounts of leverage he has here.
2012-12-31 02:49:00 PM
1 votes:
450k! Sweet! The triple $200 1 oz pour friday night scotch is still in the budget baby!
2012-12-31 02:47:46 PM
1 votes:
It's a good thing that tonight is New Year's Eve that way the Republicans can say that they're drinking because of the holidays, And not because they've been made out to look like idiots again.
2012-12-31 02:47:04 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: SDRR: lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.

Paying taxes is being penalized?

To idiots it is.


THIS.
2012-12-31 02:46:34 PM
1 votes:
but, if it comes out and sees its shadow, does that mean we'll have 6 more
weeks of listening to them complain how it's ______(insert party) fault?
2012-12-31 02:45:52 PM
1 votes:

Jake Steed: Government should do what a responsible American would do in the same situation. STOP spending so much and live within your means, its all very simple.


You should have said something BEFORE we started two land wars in Asia and simultaneously cut rich people's taxes.
2012-12-31 02:45:40 PM
1 votes:

Shrugging Atlas: 400/450k cutoff now? I wonder how much nothing Dems got in return for that bullshiat.


I wonder what budget cuts* the Dems agreed to (if any) to get a yes from the house?

/*not counting trust-fund programs like ss and medicare
//hoping the DoD, Farm Bill, and other corporate welfare get chopped.
///artificial deadlines make a great excuse for last minute secret legislation. Expect it again and again.
2012-12-31 02:44:38 PM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: You either do not live on the West Coast or the North East, or you have yet to enter the workforce. $250k is low middle income in the DC region.


Sounds like a great place to  start raising taxes at, then.
2012-12-31 02:44:19 PM
1 votes:
I don't believe it. Going off of the cliff is what needs to happen, and both parties get to point the finger at the other. Besides, Obama has vowed to veto any proposal that makes a lick of sense.
2012-12-31 02:42:37 PM
1 votes:

Jake Steed: Government should do what a responsible American would do in the same situation. STOP spending so much and live within your means, its all very simple.


So you're in favor of the defense cuts?
2012-12-31 02:40:00 PM
1 votes:
If we exceed the debt ceiling, just stop all medicare and social security checks written to districts that don't support raising the debt ceiling -- sorry not enough federal money to send those checks.

Doesn't the country running out of money mean that it's completely Obama's call what checks to write and what checks don't get paid?
2012-12-31 02:39:01 PM
1 votes:

Wangiss: They wrote some budgets, and yet we do not have a budget. Weird.


When the Democrat-led Senate keeps rejecting your budget plan, you compromise with them.You DON'T double down on stupidity.
2012-12-31 02:37:32 PM
1 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Uranus Is Huge!: Prediction: Zero people will be pleased with the result.

I hope I'm wrong.

To be fair, even though nobody ever says it, that's true of any compromise. A little bit relief, a little bit disappointment.

That said, fark compromise. The republicans want something from a position of nothing after spending four years of doing nothing. Fark those guys right in the nostril. Americans spoke about what they want and it's nothing that the republicans are offering. They can either put on some big boy pants, suck it up and do what the country wants done or they can focus on driving themselves even deeper into obscurity.


They wrote some budgets, and yet we do not have a budget. Weird.
2012-12-31 02:37:32 PM
1 votes:

Wangiss: nekom: What if the debt ceiling and the fiscal cliff had a baby?

They're working on it.


*exactly*
2012-12-31 02:37:16 PM
1 votes:
Is it crowning yet? Or feet first?
2012-12-31 02:36:16 PM
1 votes:

sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx


But that would include too many in Congress.
2012-12-31 02:35:56 PM
1 votes:
So, what, are they simply delaying an actual deal for another year, just like they did before?
2012-12-31 02:35:37 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: RIP Cliff

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 500x322]


Too soon man too soon!
2012-12-31 02:35:10 PM
1 votes:

sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx


Personally I'd rather see it set at $70k
2012-12-31 02:33:25 PM
1 votes:
What if the debt ceiling and the fiscal cliff had a baby?
2012-12-31 02:33:21 PM
1 votes:

sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx


Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.
2012-12-31 02:32:42 PM
1 votes:
Prediction: Zero people will be pleased with the result.

I hope I'm wrong.
2012-12-31 02:30:05 PM
1 votes:
Yay! We win!!!
 
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