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2012-12-31 04:05:55 PM  

S. Thistlethwaite @YesBiscuit

Wheeeeeeee! RT @cnbc: BREAKING: The U.S. will go over the fiscal cliff tonight.


Luke Russert @LukeRussert

Official: no vote on fiscal cliff in the House tonight.

 
2012-12-31 04:06:01 PM  

Wangiss: That's true. Exacting taxes by threat of incarceration is taking, though. If I sent a couple guys to your house with guns to cart you off to live in a concrete box because you didn't give me money, I'd be a bad guy... unless everybody else says they want your money, too, in which case I'm a very, very good guy. Should a government be established so that no man need fear another? "Hello no! Moar government!!!"


Zombie Ben Franklin is about to unleash his mighty pimp hand on you.
 
2012-12-31 04:07:33 PM  
It appears there is no vote happening tonight. Great job, idiots.
 
2012-12-31 04:07:39 PM  
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2012-12-31 04:07:42 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Sure, because if they tax your investment returns at that rate, you may as well pull everything out of the market and put it in a bank's interest-bearing checking account at 3%, right? Anything else would just be feeding the welfare babies (and farm subsidies and defense contractors).

How about we quit this charade of earnings, deductions, and taxes already. How about we define any increase in wealth as income and tax it at a flat rate. No more deductions. No more clever definitions of what is income and what is not. None of these bait-and-switch BS scams created by bankers and financiers to keep the rich guy rich and make the rest of us turn his the farking wheel in his factory. They raise the taxes then give us a "deduction" to make us think we're getting away with something. These Flexible Spending Accounts? What a farking shell game THAT crap is. Oh, look! You get to use PRE-tax money to pay for these everyday things you need (and sometimes cannot live without). Such a deal for you. Bullshiat.

You want to give me a deal? Quit the farking carnival "guess my expense" game and just let me submit my farking receipts at the end of the year, deducting it from my taxes. I don't mind spending my taxed money to get the stuff up front, if it all comes out the same at the end, and some farking money manager isn't having fun on my dime while I'm hoping I guessed right and don't end up losing what I over-budgeted.

And quit subsidizing every goddamn thing with the Fed money.


Better yet, how about each business be forced to install 4 chair/desk combos and every Friday, each employee gets their pay, cash-money and then heads to the Federal Income tax station, giving away 1/5 of it or so. They go to the state station and fork over a few more percent. After that, they head over to the local tax magistrate's desk and pay a couple more. Cant forget the Social Security officer, 12% goes to him also. People would shiat kittens.

News to some folks, but politicians have altered the tax code to promote certain behaviors among the population in exchange for 'vote for me, I gave you a tax cut" In any normal world, being married wouldn't be any benefit since every living breathing soul over 18 would have to pay taxes regardless of whether or not they swore their life to someone else. Each person benefits from the protections of the Federal government, thus each should pay. Or as Madison called it - the General Welfare.
 
2012-12-31 04:08:06 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Wangiss: That's true. Exacting taxes by threat of incarceration is taking, though. If I sent a couple guys to your house with guns to cart you off to live in a concrete box because you didn't give me money, I'd be a bad guy... unless everybody else says they want your money, too, in which case I'm a very, very good guy. Should a government be established so that no man need fear another? "Hello no! Moar government!!!"

Zombie Ben Franklin is about to unleash his mighty pimp hand on you.


It's almost as if people have different viewpoints.
 
2012-12-31 04:08:39 PM  
NBC news just reporting we're going over the fiscal cliff.

Good. F*ck the House Republicans. They still don't seem to understand that the president was re-elected, and why.
 
2012-12-31 04:08:48 PM  
CNN has a note that no house vote is expected, but the GOP in the house would be willing to vote tomorrow so they can say they voted to lower taxes since they set up a few hours earlier
 
2012-12-31 04:08:59 PM  

Wangiss: What do they do if you don't pay your taxes?


I failed to file one year. Probably would've been due a return, but never heard anything about it. I don't get SS credit for working that year, I guess.
 
2012-12-31 04:09:45 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Zombie Ben Franklin is about to unleash his mighty pimp hand on you.


Fantastic stuff. I am a-learn-ed.
 
2012-12-31 04:09:46 PM  
It drives the KKK GOP crazy to have a black man in the White House and they strike out blindly in frustration. They have only one goal in mind and that is to destroy our proposistion nation. Then they want to return blacks to slavery and take away the vote from women.

Am I doing it right?
 
2012-12-31 04:10:14 PM  

lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.


Moderately successful?  You must really look down on the vast, vast majority of Americans.
 
2012-12-31 04:10:22 PM  

thenewmissus: TofuTheAlmighty: A deal that doesn't obviate the debt limit, gains a pathetic $800 billion in revenue, and takes an axe to Social Security (which is practically irrelevant to the deficit).

Obama is the worst poker player alive.

I hate to admit it, but I agree with you. I would have rather seen us go off the cliff and come back with DOD cuts and some Medicare cuts and tax rate increase. I voted for Obama bit I was hoping he would be tougher in negotiations. Republicans would get the blame for it anyway so why compromise on key issues like SS?

/IMHO


in the fall, the GOP was campaigning for a revenue decrease/"revenue neutral" tax reform and $4 trillion in spending cuts.

after the election, the GOP offers $800 billion in revenue from unspecified tax reform and $2 trillion in spending cuts.

this deal has $1.2 trillion in new revenue, half of which has already been specified, and $1.1 trillion in spending cuts.

Obama's post-election offer was $1.6 trillion in revenue, $400 billion of which was already specified, and $850 billion in spending cuts.

and yet, to the Farklib, Obama is the weak one.

/cognitive dissonance isn't just for teabaggers, obviously.
 
2012-12-31 04:10:53 PM  

Chevello: /I expect the full helping of Fark economist scorn for this one.


Or even by county, but administratively it would be a nightmare for the IRS.
 
2012-12-31 04:10:55 PM  
Taxbongo bin Congo von Rapmaster 2000 just caused the largest tax increase in American history.  Gonna go prep the bomb shelter.  Later, n00bs.
 
2012-12-31 04:11:24 PM  

jigger: Taxes aren't a penalty? WTF is the Obamandate about? How is that enforced? What do they call the tax you are charged for non-compliance? They call it "the penalty."


Because a tax that is  intended asa penalty is not the same as the taxes that are inherently part of society. They are, in fact, different. Much as your IQ score probably is from the left half of the bell curve.
 
2012-12-31 04:11:29 PM  

Coco LaFemme: S. Thistlethwaite @YesBiscuit Wheeeeeeee! RT @cnbc: BREAKING: The U.S. will go over the fiscal cliff tonight.
Luke Russert @LukeRussert Official: no vote on fiscal cliff in the House tonight.


Any particular reasons being given?
 
2012-12-31 04:11:44 PM  

Vectron: It drives the KKK GOP crazy to have a black man in the White House and they strike out blindly in frustration. They have only one goal in mind and that is to destroy our proposistion nation. Then they want to return blacks to slavery and take away the vote from women.

Am I doing it right?


Actually you're almost spot on. Although, they're okay not re-enslaving the blacks as long as they can disenfranchise them along with the ladies.
 
2012-12-31 04:12:15 PM  
The hypocrisy and duplicity of the present republican party will haunt it's members to their dying days, as it should. They are parasites, slaves to dim-witted ideology and the blind hatred of their drooling constituency.
 
2012-12-31 04:12:21 PM  

incendi: Wangiss: What do they do if you don't pay your taxes?

I failed to file one year. Probably would've been due a return, but never heard anything about it. I don't get SS credit for working that year, I guess.


I hope you're okay. People go to jail for not paying their taxes. (Yes, really.)
 
2012-12-31 04:12:22 PM  
No vote in the house tonight, apparently. Off we go.
 
2012-12-31 04:12:27 PM  

david_gaithersburg: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

.
You either do not live on the West Coast or the North East, or you have yet to enter the workforce. $250k is low middle income in the DC region.


Awwww, you're bad with money...
 
2012-12-31 04:12:45 PM  
Can we get confirmation on the deal falling through?
 
2012-12-31 04:13:16 PM  

LasersHurt: Coco LaFemme: S. Thistlethwaite @YesBiscuit Wheeeeeeee! RT @cnbc: BREAKING: The U.S. will go over the fiscal cliff tonight.
Luke Russert @LukeRussert Official: no vote on fiscal cliff in the House tonight.

Any particular reasons being given?


2:14 p.m. (nine hours and 46 minutes to cliff)
House Vote on 'Cliff' Proposal Unlikely Tonight
John Parkinson reports from the House: This afternoon, many of the House GOP's top members - chairmen, whips, leaders, etc. - gathered in the speaker's office to hear the latest on the fiscal cliff negotiations from the speaker. In summary, they're still waiting for the Senate to act, but even if the Senate votes today to successfully avert the cliff, it does not necessarily mean there will be enough time to get something through the House before midnight tonight.
 
2012-12-31 04:13:26 PM  
John McCain is on CNN right now with... Barbara Bush? Wait, that's Lindsey Graham.
 
2012-12-31 04:13:33 PM  

bulldg4life: CNN has a note that no house vote is expected, but the GOP in the house would be willing to vote tomorrow so they can say they voted to lower taxes since they set up a few hours earlier


Comedy: They vote and it still doesn't pass.
 
2012-12-31 04:14:00 PM  

david_gaithersburg: coeyagi: shower_in_my_socks: david_gaithersburg: The cheapest house in MoCo is $350K, and that's for a tear down. So yeah, $250K is low.


And the cheapest house on Carbon Beach in Malibu is $10M. Won't somebody please think of the "lower middle-class" millionaires living on Carbon Beach? It's a stupid argument. $250k/year is a shiatload of money. I live better than most people I know, in an expensive city, and I make less than half that.

I am not entirely sure why we keep engaging this guy. His math is pretty indicative of the brainfarts of a mongoloid. Because your average mongoloid thinks that the DC region should be the litmus test for tax rates.

.
I love fark. Yeah my math sucks. I retired at 42, came out of retirement to lead the finical workings of an global company. They wanted me because my math sucks. LOL!


No, they wanted you for your awesome spelling, and burning comebacks on Fark.
 
2012-12-31 04:14:10 PM  

Wangiss: I hope you're okay. People go to jail for not paying their taxes. (Yes, really.)


Yeah, I know. It was a decade ago, now, and barring some major screwup in withholding the taxes were in fact paid. I'm not sweatin' it. People do go to jail for not paying taxes, but they get many, many chances to pay or appeal before it gets to that point.
 
2012-12-31 04:14:15 PM  

PsiChick: Because a tax that is  intended asa penalty is not the same as the taxes that are inherently part of society.


the SCOTUS says they are all the same - regardless of how you want to see them.
 
2012-12-31 04:14:34 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Vectron: It drives the KKK GOP crazy to have a black man in the White House and they strike out blindly in frustration. They have only one goal in mind and that is to destroy our proposistion nation. Then they want to return blacks to slavery and take away the vote from women.

Am I doing it right?

Actually you're almost spot on. Although, they're okay not re-enslaving the blacks as long as they can disenfranchise them along with the ladies.


The KKK are Democrats. This has always been the case. It doesn't matter, really. And I'm sure you know the real racist intent of Republican hearts because you majick that way, but the KKK are and always have been Democrats.
 
2012-12-31 04:15:24 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: bulldg4life: CNN has a note that no house vote is expected, but the GOP in the house would be willing to vote tomorrow so they can say they voted to lower taxes since they set up a few hours earlier

Comedy: They vote and it still doesn't pass.


That's been the problem all along. They can't put together a bill that they can pass, no matter what it is.
 
2012-12-31 04:15:31 PM  

Wangiss: The KKK are Democrats. This has always been the case. It doesn't matter, really. And I'm sure you know the real racist intent of Republican hearts because you majick that way, but the KKK are and always have been Democrats.


Not exactly keeping it subtle there, are you?
 
2012-12-31 04:15:36 PM  

Wangiss: Uranus Is Huge!: Vectron: It drives the KKK GOP crazy to have a black man in the White House and they strike out blindly in frustration. They have only one goal in mind and that is to destroy our proposistion nation. Then they want to return blacks to slavery and take away the vote from women.

Am I doing it right?

Actually you're almost spot on. Although, they're okay not re-enslaving the blacks as long as they can disenfranchise them along with the ladies.

The KKK are Democrats. This has always been the case. It doesn't matter, really. And I'm sure you know the real racist intent of Republican hearts because you majick that way, but the KKK are and always have been Democrats.


lol. Funnied.
 
2012-12-31 04:15:44 PM  
 
2012-12-31 04:16:46 PM  
So, it's official? The GOP Tea Derpers aren't allowing a vote tonight?
 
2012-12-31 04:16:55 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: bulldg4life: CNN has a note that no house vote is expected, but the GOP in the house would be willing to vote tomorrow so they can say they voted to lower taxes since they set up a few hours earlier

Comedy: They vote and it still doesn't pass.


10/1 odds. If nothing happens today, nothing happens at least until the 4th. The democrats will (and should) delay it that long. A new house with a significant democrat gain aughta get things going in a dramatic sense.

/friggin comedy gold
 
2012-12-31 04:17:38 PM  

incendi: Yeah, I know. It was a decade ago, now, and barring some major screwup in withholding the taxes were in fact paid. I'm not sweatin' it. People do go to jail for not paying taxes, but they get many, many chances to pay or appeal before it gets to that point.


the government has the ability to garnish your wages/Social security if you dont pay taxes. the guy who is worth $15M can fark off to a foreign country and it wont phase him much. The business owner who is used to making $75k-125k/yr will pay up one way or another
 
2012-12-31 04:17:39 PM  

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: lenfromak: Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.

Since when are taxes considered a penalty? Is jury duty a punishment too?


It is when you drop from $120k a year to $30k. ;)
 
2012-12-31 04:18:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Wangiss: Mrtraveler01: Wangiss: They wrote some budgets, and yet we do not have a budget. Weird.

When the Democrat-led Senate keeps rejecting your budget plan, you compromise with them.You DON'T double down on stupidity.


When the Democrat-led Senate wants a budget, they'll get a budget. They do not want a budget.

So is that why the GOP led House sends them budget plans that are nothing more than partisan wankery instead of something serious?



Thank you. Not to mention that the Senate is not fillibuster proof. The Senate doesn't have the votes to pass the Republican lead house budget. The House won't send a serious budget, instead they send crap and then point fingers that the Dems won't pass it. It is a shame what we have in Washington DC these days. And to think, Congress is getting a raise this year after being the most non-productive congress since records have been kept. Shameful.
 
2012-12-31 04:19:17 PM  

LasersHurt: Wangiss: The KKK are Democrats. This has always been the case. It doesn't matter, really. And I'm sure you know the real racist intent of Republican hearts because you majick that way, but the KKK are and always have been Democrats.

Not exactly keeping it subtle there, are you?


Not sure what you're getting at. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. It's just a stupid thing that gets passed around by those ignorant of history. The history of the Civil War and Jim Crow and all that. It's important, historically, but has little or no bearing on current events.
 
2012-12-31 04:19:22 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Wangiss: Uranus Is Huge!: Vectron: It drives the KKK GOP crazy to have a black man in the White House and they strike out blindly in frustration. They have only one goal in mind and that is to destroy our proposistion nation. Then they want to return blacks to slavery and take away the vote from women.

Am I doing it right?

Actually you're almost spot on. Although, they're okay not re-enslaving the blacks as long as they can disenfranchise them along with the ladies.

The KKK are Democrats. This has always been the case. It doesn't matter, really. And I'm sure you know the real racist intent of Republican hearts because you majick that way, but the KKK are and always have been Democrats.

lol. Funnied.


The truth is more funny than comedy sometimes.
 
2012-12-31 04:20:10 PM  

thenewmissus: The House won't send a serious budget, instead they send crap and then point fingers that the Dems won't pass it.


to Democrats, anything less than a $1.3TN yearly deficit is "partisan wankery"
 
2012-12-31 04:20:54 PM  
I thought that bills start in the house and then go to the senate. Serious question: When did this change?
 
2012-12-31 04:20:58 PM  

o5iiawah: News to some folks, but politicians have altered the tax code to promote certain behaviors among the population in exchange for 'vote for me, I gave you a tax cut"


And this is precisely what I'm raving about. Cut the mortgage interest deduction? Sure! People will wail and gnash their teeth but do fark-all about it. The banks have spent the last 50 years flooding the real estate market with capital such that you can't buy a house now without 'em. There are far too many Homelanders (myself included) bought into that shiatty racket and did so BECAUSE of the deduction.
It cost me the same to rent as to pay a mortgage but with the mortgage I got Sweet Deductions. My behavior was directly influenced by tax policy. Bullshiat.
 
2012-12-31 04:21:08 PM  

lenfromak: sonnyboy11: Please do not set it at $400k and up. Stay at $250k. Thx

Yeah, penalize even moderately successful people like me.


Paying taxes is not a penalty it's part of living in civil society. Man up and pay your share or move to as mother country.
 
2012-12-31 04:21:50 PM  

thenewmissus: Mrtraveler01: Wangiss: Mrtraveler01: Wangiss: They wrote some budgets, and yet we do not have a budget. Weird.

When the Democrat-led Senate keeps rejecting your budget plan, you compromise with them.You DON'T double down on stupidity.


When the Democrat-led Senate wants a budget, they'll get a budget. They do not want a budget.

So is that why the GOP led House sends them budget plans that are nothing more than partisan wankery instead of something serious?


Thank you. Not to mention that the Senate is not fillibuster proof. The Senate doesn't have the votes to pass the Republican lead house budget. The House won't send a serious budget, instead they send crap and then point fingers that the Dems won't pass it. It is a shame what we have in Washington DC these days. And to think, Congress is getting a raise this year after being the most non-productive congress since records have been kept. Shameful.


All they have to do is retain their power. That's their job, and they do it with hysterics and hyperbole. They're all millionaires; what do they care?
 
2012-12-31 04:21:57 PM  

o5iiawah: thenewmissus: The House won't send a serious budget, instead they send crap and then point fingers that the Dems won't pass it.

to Democrats, anything less than a $1.3TN yearly deficit is "partisan wankery"


Curse you, Bill Clinton!
 
2012-12-31 04:23:16 PM  
Who here really thinks the House is going to go along with this deal? Anyone? Hello? Is this thing on?
 
2012-12-31 04:23:59 PM  

bartink: Who here really thinks the House is going to go along with this deal? Anyone? Hello? Is this thing on?


Exactly. What's the story on the House and this deal?
 
2012-12-31 04:24:04 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: It cost me the same to rent as to pay a mortgage but with the mortgage I got Sweet Deductions. My behavior was directly influenced by tax policy. Bullshiat.


Presumably, market forces would drive the price down were the deduction not their to boost demand. So either way you get the house, but now the banks get more profit.
 
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