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(Daily Mail)   In response to Sandy Hook tragedy, San Francisco vows to protect its students by banning...poetry   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 93
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2012-12-31 12:03:50 PM  
Banning teenage poetry?

I'm totally on board with this.
 
2012-12-31 12:11:50 PM  
Overreaction of the year on behalf of the teachers. Also, it said that the book was a "personal notebook". Seems like that would be something the teachers wouldn't even have access to normally, as opposed to a notebook for school notes and assignments. Why was the teacher snooping in the girl's personal things?

Teenagers write all sorts of lame things, draw all sorts of dark or suggestive drawings, and just generally are trying to express how they feel through artistic hobbies. Now we're going to take that away from them too?
 
2012-12-31 12:16:25 PM  
At a high school for youth who have been "involved with the juvenile justice system, etc . . ."  yeah, imagine the outcry if nothing had been done and something bad occurred.  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.
 
2012-12-31 01:48:21 PM  
They really proved the point of her poem.
 
2012-12-31 03:29:02 PM  
Sometimes it's for the best.
i522.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-31 03:41:26 PM  

Dogberry: At a high school for youth who have been "involved with the juvenile justice system, etc . . ."  yeah, imagine the outcry if nothing had been done and something bad occurred.  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.


Pretty obvious, really. I'm sure the NRA will be happy to foot the bill if this girl is in need of some therapy.
 
2012-12-31 03:43:40 PM  

dopekitty74: Teenagers write all sorts of lame things, draw all sorts of dark or suggestive drawings, and just generally are trying to express how they feel through artistic hobbies. Now we're going to take that away from them too?


I'm not an expert, but I'd think that taking away outlets - every dark thought is punishable, every "scary" drawing is wrong, as well as having less exercise and places for youthful energy may, just may, be why so many of these kids crack.

I remember when I was in 2nd grade or so, I drew the school with bombs placed all over to blow it up, with paths to rescue the few people I liked and get the classroom gerbils out.  My mom found it and asked me why, and I told her my friend and I did that earlier because some people were mean and we wanted to get them back. Something to that effect. I don't even remember what, if anything, happened, probably because I was eight years old and expressing being angry and upset in a child-like way.

And I'm starting to see the merits of not making these shooters into national names and telling the story over and over.  It's not as if we have any great insight on what makes these people snap (the guy from Colorado is actually alive and they seem to have nothing) but when it is in the public consciousness to such an extent, it will make its way into things like poems and the like.
 
2012-12-31 03:48:07 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Pretty obvious, really. I'm sure the NRA will be happy to foot the bill if this girl is in need of some therapy.


If she didn't before, her being in the news over this will certainly increase the possibility of her needing it.  It's always a great idea to put heaps of negative publicity on someone who is emotionally unstable in any way.
 
2012-12-31 03:53:55 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Dogberry: At a high school for youth who have been "involved with the juvenile justice system, etc . . ."  yeah, imagine the outcry if nothing had been done and something bad occurred.  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.

Pretty obvious, really. I'm sure the NRA will be happy to foot the bill if this girl is in need of some therapy.


NRA

DRINK!
 
2012-12-31 04:11:24 PM  

Dogberry: At a high school for youth who have been "involved with the juvenile justice system, etc . . ."  yeah, imagine the outcry if nothing had been done and something bad occurred.  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.


The suspension may have been a bit much, but you're essentially correct.  The girl should have been sat down with a counselor or whatever for sure.
 
2012-12-31 04:13:55 PM  

Dogberry:  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.


suspension for doing what?
 
2012-12-31 04:16:49 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Dogberry:  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.

suspension for doing what?


Exactly.  If someone saw it and felt it was warranted, perhaps just talking to the girl would have been the logical thing to do?  She didn't do anything that she should be punished for. She had unpopular thoughts and wrote them down. Lots of people purge their emotions that way. There was a time when honest journaling was considered (rightfully) good therapy.
 
2012-12-31 04:21:24 PM  
Next they will take away math.  Math enables a shooter to count possible targets, count rounds of ammo, count guns, etc.  Math needs to go.
 
2012-12-31 04:22:43 PM  

Brontes: Next they will take away math.  Math enables a shooter to count possible targets, count rounds of ammo, count guns, etc.  Math needs to go.


Republicans will be the first on board to get rid of math. It's on their enemies list.
 
2012-12-31 04:23:36 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Dogberry:  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.

suspension for doing what?


I'd imagine that the school staff is far more likely to be able to accurately assess this young lady's likelihood to cause mischief than you or I, and I feel confident assuming that there is much more to the story than is being reported.  As I see it, Courtni created what a responsible party thought was a potentially dangerous situation.  If the situation couldn't be reckoned with in a brief meeting as soon as the issue arose, then it's entirely appropriate to remove the student until any fears are either put to rest or substantiated.  Seems pretty straightforward to me.
 
2012-12-31 04:28:44 PM  

Dogberry: tenpoundsofcheese: Dogberry:  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.

suspension for doing what?

I'd imagine that the school staff is far more likely to be able to accurately assess this young lady's likelihood to cause mischief than you or I, and I feel confident assuming that there is much more to the story than is being reported.  As I see it, Courtni created what a responsible party thought was a potentially dangerous situation.  If the situation couldn't be reckoned with in a brief meeting as soon as the issue arose, then it's entirely appropriate to remove the student until any fears are either put to rest or substantiated.  Seems pretty straightforward to me.


I think the point is she's clearly known to be a troubled kid (the school is for troubled kids).  A punishment seems the wrong way to go.  Talking to her about her negative feelings is all that should have been done IMHO.
 
2012-12-31 05:06:31 PM  
Just remember high schoolers: no first amendment rights for you. Not yours.
 
2012-12-31 05:20:48 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Dogberry:  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.

suspension for doing what?


Expressing an opinion about the shooter other than total revulsion and white-hot hate.
 
2012-12-31 05:48:12 PM  
www.scifimoviepage.com

Never heard them read poetry, have you?
 
2012-12-31 05:50:59 PM  
Triger. Triger. Triger. Yeah ya thinks ya knows why he pulled the triger like ya knows something the rest of us don't?
 
2012-12-31 06:08:22 PM  

Kevin72: Triger. Triger. Triger. Yeah ya thinks ya knows why he pulled the triger like ya knows something the rest of us don't?


so clearly she was suspended for being fat, ugly earrings and not being able to spell.
and her mother dresses her funny
 
Pud
2012-12-31 06:18:25 PM  

downstairs: Dogberry: tenpoundsofcheese: Dogberry:  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.

suspension for doing what?

I'd imagine that the school staff is far more likely to be able to accurately assess this young lady's likelihood to cause mischief than you or I, and I feel confident assuming that there is much more to the story than is being reported.  As I see it, Courtni created what a responsible party thought was a potentially dangerous situation.  If the situation couldn't be reckoned with in a brief meeting as soon as the issue arose, then it's entirely appropriate to remove the student until any fears are either put to rest or substantiated.  Seems pretty straightforward to me.

I think the point is she's clearly known to be a troubled kid (the school is for troubled kids).  A punishment seems the wrong way to go.  Talking to her about her negative feelings is all that should have been done IMHO.


I agree. Keep your feelings inside and let them fester until there is a real problem does not seem to be the right approach (true, I don't know the whole story here) to me. I'm sure there are better ways to go with this. The.Sit down, shut up, and NEVER speak of this again may not be the best be the best way to handle this. Sometimes sitting down and just sounding off to someone willing to listen can work wonders.

/But that's just me.
//If schools in the 1970's were like they are today. I have no idea I would still be locked up ...you know, because I had angry (never acted upon) thoughts
 
2012-12-31 06:26:35 PM  

I would have suspended her because she's walking around with guillotines attached to her ears.


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2012-12-31 06:29:24 PM  
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2012-12-31 06:30:04 PM  
Thoughtcrime does not entail death. Thoughtcrime IS death.
 
2012-12-31 06:30:52 PM  
So much for encouraging kids to express themselves through writing.
 
2012-12-31 06:31:37 PM  
Familiar talent
shiat and piss and sex galore
The Aristocrats
 
2012-12-31 06:32:54 PM  
There's a school on Treasure Island?
 
2012-12-31 06:33:47 PM  
Oh, San Francisco...
Ban poetry to save lives?
That shiat is just gay.


/Burma Shave.
 
2012-12-31 06:35:32 PM  
Fully automatic assault poetry?
 
2012-12-31 06:36:15 PM  

Kevin72: Triger. Triger. Triger.


t1.gstatic.com

That's a funny sounding word.
 
2012-12-31 06:38:08 PM  
You know what would have prevented this? The media not farking lionizing every goddamned mass shooter in history, and treating them like the basic, unimpressive criminals they actually are.

Let them drop out of the non-local news after a couple days like all the other murderers, save for maybe a follow-up a few months later. Giving these asshats some sort of position apart from and above the other ten thousand murderers we get in a year is what they want, and also completely illogical. Obviously you're artificially inflating its appeal to teenagers.
 
2012-12-31 06:38:25 PM  
"Beware of people who read poetry in public. They may have other nasty habits." - R.A. Heinlein, from the Notes of Lazarus Long.
 
2012-12-31 06:38:58 PM  
Sounds good to me, I hate poetry.

www.toothpastefordinner.com

/Original here.
 
2012-12-31 06:41:56 PM  
I didnt RTFA...

did the poem inclode a

Jim_Callahan: You know what would have prevented this? The media not farking lionizing every goddamned mass shooter in history, and treating them like the basic, unimpressive criminals they actually are.

Let them drop out of the non-local news after a couple days like all the other murderers, save for maybe a follow-up a few months later. Giving these asshats some sort of position apart from and above the other ten thousand murderers we get in a year is what they want, and also completely illogical. Obviously you're artificially inflating its appeal to teenagers.


You sound like Morgan Freeman.

(and thats not a bad thing)
 
2012-12-31 06:42:15 PM  
My vagina itches like a vampire in sunlight.
People stare as I claw at it,
Bleeding into the gutter
Alone.
 
2012-12-31 06:42:32 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Dogberry:  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.

suspension for doing what?


Showing empathy.
 
2012-12-31 06:42:39 PM  
Meh, it's the Daily Mail. If it's not made up then the facts have been stretched to the point that it might as well be.

Oh, I see they're claiming the NHS is poised to euthanize thousands of old people too. Funny how nobody else seems even slightly concerned about that...
 
2012-12-31 06:43:42 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Dogberry: At a high school for youth who have been "involved with the juvenile justice system, etc . . ."  yeah, imagine the outcry if nothing had been done and something bad occurred.  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.

Pretty obvious, really. I'm sure the NRA will be happy to foot the bill if this girl is in need of some therapy.


you really might be the dumbest person on fark
 
2012-12-31 06:45:22 PM  

skinink: I would have suspended her because she's walking around with guillotines attached to her ears.
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first thing I thought of:
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2012-12-31 06:46:19 PM  

giftedmadness: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Dogberry: At a high school for youth who have been "involved with the juvenile justice system, etc . . ."  yeah, imagine the outcry if nothing had been done and something bad occurred.  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.

Pretty obvious, really. I'm sure the NRA will be happy to foot the bill if this girl is in need of some therapy.

you really might be the dumbest person on fark


Not worried as long as you're here.
 
2012-12-31 06:48:57 PM  
Honestly with a poem that shiatty she should've been suspended on general principle, regardless of the subject matter.
 
2012-12-31 06:50:33 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: giftedmadness: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Dogberry: At a high school for youth who have been "involved with the juvenile justice system, etc . . ."  yeah, imagine the outcry if nothing had been done and something bad occurred.  I'm okay with over caution that results in a minimal suspension and a follow-up investigation.

Pretty obvious, really. I'm sure the NRA will be happy to foot the bill if this girl is in need of some therapy.

you really might be the dumbest person on fark

Not worried as long as you're here.


Nina Hartley's ass:1
Gifted madness:1
 
2012-12-31 06:51:08 PM  
 
2012-12-31 06:53:47 PM  
Yeah, see, this is the basic problem I have with 'personal journals' in high school. They have no farking academic value and are inherently unduly intrusive. If the kids want to journal, let them journal, but this is basically the answer to wanting to spy on a student's thoughts without the technology to do it.

/Farkin' creepers.
 
2012-12-31 06:59:25 PM  
To feel poetry
 
2012-12-31 06:59:57 PM  
Oh Cliff,
Sometimes it must be difficult, not to feel as if
You really are a cliff!
When fascists keep trying to push you over it!
Are they the lemmings,
Or are you, Cliff?
Or ARE you Cliff?
 
2012-12-31 07:02:20 PM  
What have we here, laddie? Mysterious scribblings? A secret code? No! Poems, no less! Poems, everybody! The laddie reckons himself a poet!
 
2012-12-31 07:08:23 PM  
*sniff-sniff*

Smells like shat to me.

*)
 
2012-12-31 07:12:30 PM  
so if i call in a bomb threat but do it in (reaches back to high school ... what's it called... pentagraphic stanza? shiat, can't remember... pentambic meter? anyhoo...) then they will just forgive me? wah wah wah, if this biatch went on to kill a few dozen people and they didn't check up on her after she wrote "yeah i understand why people go on mass-murdering sprees" then people would wonder how we missed all the warning signs... express yourself, but jesus, try to do it with a bit of intelligence and tact...
 
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