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2012-12-31 11:42:41 AM  
1.  Sit in a bar, observe patrons, report them as they leave, profit.
2.  Find out where your ex likes to party, call it in as she's leaving, Shadenfreude + profit.

All reports are required to be by text message.
Really, is it smart to encourage vigilante wannabes to drive around talking on cell phones in the wee hours when everybody is drunk?
 
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2012-12-31 11:44:17 AM  

TexasPeace: 1.  Sit in a bar, observe patrons, report them as they leave, profit.
2.  Find out where your ex likes to party, call it in as she's leaving, Shadenfreude + profit.

All reports are required to be by text message.
Really, is it smart to encourage vigilante wannabes to drive around talking on cell phones in the wee hours when everybody is drunk?


Compared to the domestic violence this will create, texting while driving isn't the main thing to worry about.
 
2012-12-31 12:09:20 PM  
Gotta spend money to make money, boys.
 
2012-12-31 12:46:36 PM  
If you're gonna snitch, you better be sure you don't have so much an overdue library book.

Like all their other snitch programs, they run a background check on you first.
 
2012-12-31 03:23:05 PM  
And its Socialists who are dividing America?
 
2012-12-31 03:37:58 PM  
"30 to 40" rewards per year since 2001.  Doesn't seem like a very popular program.
 
2012-12-31 03:56:56 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: "30 to 40" rewards per year since 2001.  Doesn't seem like a very popular program.


And it's dropping, which seems to be the point of the article.
 
2012-12-31 03:57:58 PM  
Get one or two thousand of your closest friends. (Maybe through the Face Books or something.) Next time any of you see a drunk driver, text everyone else first, then all of you text the police. You each get $100. Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
2012-12-31 03:58:13 PM  
shiat I could sit outside a bar and report 2 or 3 people a day. Probably more. That could be a pretty good income.
 
2012-12-31 03:59:34 PM  

kwame: BarkingUnicorn: "30 to 40" rewards per year since 2001.  Doesn't seem like a very popular program.

And it's dropping, which seems to be the point of the article.


If it's on Fark, people only read the headline
 
2012-12-31 03:59:44 PM  
fc04.deviantart.net

Anything that gets asshole drunk drivers off the streets, and keeps civil liberties intact works for me.
 
2012-12-31 04:00:54 PM  
The worst thing that could happen is that fark alcoholics will finally get their keys taken away from them.

wah wah.

/It's my right to be piloting a murder machine with a BAC of 1.0
 
2012-12-31 04:02:12 PM  

fluffy2097: /It's my right to be piloting a murder machine with a BAC of 1.0


If you have a BAC of 1.0, you're riding in a herse, because you've been embalmed. >_>
 
2012-12-31 04:04:12 PM  

BronyMedic: fluffy2097: /It's my right to be piloting a murder machine with a BAC of 1.0

If you have a BAC of 1.0, you're riding in a herse, because you've been embalmed. >_>


What if zombies start driving? fark that is terrifying.
 
2012-12-31 04:07:11 PM  
Great, now I've got to drive home drunk AND text the cops to report other impaired drivers? Ugh maybe I'll just get a cab.
 
2012-12-31 04:07:52 PM  
I reported a drunk driver once but only once because the guy really seem to be messed up. As in kill himself, kill others etc. All over the road messed up.

After spending about 5 minutes on 911 with the operator, giving the drivers position and watching him swerve all over the road and about hit oncoming vehicles they asked me if I wanted to file a complaint.

I told them "Nevermind, this is my turn. I'm heading home but you might want to send an ambulance about 2 or 3 miles north of me because the roads are going to start getting curvy. Bye."
 
2012-12-31 04:08:39 PM  

redmid17: What if zombies start driving? fark that is terrifying.


Well, Florida is God's waiting room. What happens when heaven fills up?
 
2012-12-31 04:11:01 PM  

BronyMedic: fluffy2097: /It's my right to be piloting a murder machine with a BAC of 1.0

If you have a BAC of 1.0, you're riding in a herse, because you've been embalmed. >_>


That's typical of totalitarians. They lie about everything to take liberty from others.
 
2012-12-31 04:12:01 PM  
Has this program ever snagged a drunken cop?
 
2012-12-31 04:13:13 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: That's typical of totalitarians. They lie about everything to take liberty from others.


No, Sir. The only liar here is you. How dare you distract us from the problem of corpses driving! Are you wanting to let them have our brains EASIER?!
 
2012-12-31 04:14:54 PM  

BronyMedic: redmid17: What if zombies start driving? fark that is terrifying.

Well, Florida is God's waiting room. What happens when heaven fills up?


Well we know hell is exothermic. I can't imagine that heaven is any different.
 
2012-12-31 04:16:21 PM  

BronyMedic: If you have a BAC of 1.0, you're riding in a herse, because you've been embalmed. >_>


You don't know my uncle. He can't stand straight when he's sober. Has a BAC of 2.0 at all times. You cut him and everclear comes out.
 
2012-12-31 04:17:08 PM  

fluffy2097: BronyMedic: If you have a BAC of 1.0, you're riding in a herse, because you've been embalmed. >_>

You don't know my uncle. He can't stand straight when he's sober. Has a BAC of 2.0 at all times. You cut him and everclear comes out.


He was making a joke about your decimal being wrong.
 
2012-12-31 04:18:16 PM  
"911, what's your emergency?"

"itsh me"

"I'm sorry? What was that?"

"Ittttsss meeeee. MEEEEEE"

"This is a recorded line. Is this a joke?"

"Jo...wha? Its me. Me. ME!"

"Joe? What's your emergency?"

burp "I wanttt my hunnred doll... burp... lars."

Dial tone*
 
2012-12-31 04:18:58 PM  

redmid17: He was making a joke about your decimal being wrong.


The decimal point is exactly where I want it. I'm making a joke about alcoholics. Like you, who is apparently to plastered to get the joke.
 
2012-12-31 04:19:10 PM  
30-40 payouts a year? Doesn't seem like it's getting out of hand. I expected it would, but it's been going on since 2001.



The program has led to hundreds of arrests over the years since it began in 2001. Every year, Mobile Eyes hands out 30 to 40 cash rewards.
 
2012-12-31 04:21:08 PM  

fluffy2097: redmid17: He was making a joke about your decimal being wrong.

The decimal point is exactly where I want it. I'm making a joke about alcoholics. Like you, who is apparently to plastered to get the joke.


Well you farked it up the first time. Pardon me if I don't see backtracking poorly as a joke.
 
2012-12-31 04:21:10 PM  

fluffy2097: redmid17: He was making a joke about your decimal being wrong.

The decimal point is exactly where I want it. I'm making a joke about alcoholics. Like you, who is apparently to plastered to get the joke.


meowcheese.com
 
2012-12-31 04:21:21 PM  
Let's make it interesting. If you report a drunk driver who is successfully nabbed for DUI, you get $100.

If the person you reported is not drunk, you get fined $500 for filing a false report.
 
2012-12-31 04:22:20 PM  
This isn't going to end well. it oneof those things that sounds great on paper but in practice its a night mare waiting to happen.
 
2012-12-31 04:27:07 PM  
"That B*TCH just ran part of her tire over the edge of my broad leaf plant!"

"Honey, let it g.."

"Let it go my ass! Hello? 911?"
 
2012-12-31 04:30:11 PM  

kwame: BarkingUnicorn: "30 to 40" rewards per year since 2001.  Doesn't seem like a very popular program.

And it's dropping, which seems to be the point of the article.


Snitches get stitches.

/is there a latin term for snitches get stitches?
 
2012-12-31 04:32:05 PM  

fluffy2097: The worst thing that could happen is that fark alcoholics will finally get their keys taken away from them.

wah wah.

/It's my right to be piloting a murder machine with a BAC of 1.0


It's not just a Honda.  It's a Murder Machine.
 
2012-12-31 04:36:46 PM  

TexasPeace: 1.  Sit in a bar, observe patrons, report them as they leave, profit.
2.  Find out where your ex likes to party, call it in as she's leaving, Shadenfreude + profit.

All reports are required to be by text message.
Really, is it smart to encourage vigilante wannabes to drive around talking on cell phones in the wee hours when everybody is drunk?


1. Sit in a cop bar and report patrons as they leave...
 
2012-12-31 04:39:11 PM  

RogermcAllen: kwame: BarkingUnicorn: "30 to 40" rewards per year since 2001.  Doesn't seem like a very popular program.

And it's dropping, which seems to be the point of the article.

Snitches get stitches.

/is there a latin term for snitches get stitches?


e pluribus unum
 
2012-12-31 04:41:13 PM  

BronyMedic: [fc04.deviantart.net image 850x850]

Anything that gets asshole drunk drivers off the streets, and keeps civil liberties intact works for me.


That statement contradicts itself.
 
2012-12-31 04:41:53 PM  

wellreadneck: Has this program ever snagged a drunken cop?


BWAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-12-31 04:46:23 PM  

BronyMedic: Anything that gets asshole drunk drivers off the streets, and keeps civil liberties intact works for me.


You know when I see a obviously impared driver I pull over and call 911 FOR FREE.

Only happened twice and maybe they were drunk, maybe it was a medical emergency, but if you really think this program is a good idea - money spent better than educating the public on what to do, helping bar staff to work w police without fear of getting in trouble themselves because they had cut off one drunk but he had a friend slip him more and just peeled out of the parking lot etc wellllll
 
2012-12-31 04:47:58 PM  
When I go out to bars I go with my cop friends because no matter how drunk we get, we don't get in trouble.

/used to drive from Queens to Lake Champlain in 2.5 hours thanks to a police driver.
//Gotta love those double standards!
 
2012-12-31 04:52:06 PM  

Warlordtrooper: That statement contradicts itself.


How so. The constitution does not protect you from others calling 911 when they witness you breaking the law.
 
2012-12-31 04:57:35 PM  

fluffy2097: redmid17: He was making a joke about your decimal being wrong.

The decimal point is exactly where I want it. I'm making a joke about alcoholics. Like you, who is apparently to TWO plastered to TOO get the joke.


/pet peeve
 
2012-12-31 04:57:42 PM  

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: [fc04.deviantart.net image 850x850]

Anything that gets asshole drunk drivers off the streets, and keeps civil liberties intact works for me.

That statement contradicts itself.


media.comicvine.com
 
2012-12-31 05:01:53 PM  
What can go wrong?

Actually, nothing. According to TFA, it has been in effect since 2001 and appears to have been effective since then.
 
2012-12-31 05:04:17 PM  

Great_Milenko: Let's make it interesting. If you report a drunk driver who is successfully nabbed for DUI, you get $100.

If the person you reported is not drunk, you get fined $500 for filing a false report.


that's a little better, but it still reeks of brown shirts and shiny boots. i don't understand why joints that serve don't have a drive home the drunk patrons mobile. should have been that way years ago. from the cops POV: how many mangled bodies can you see from DUI before you never want to see another. for me the first one would be enough. what a shiat job.
 
2012-12-31 05:06:49 PM  

BronyMedic: Smeggy Smurf: That's typical of totalitarians. They lie about everything to take liberty from others.

No, Sir. The only liar here is you. How dare you distract us from the problem of corpses driving! Are you wanting to let them have our brains EASIER?!


This is 'Merica. We're safe from brain eating zombies. All you need to do is move to Texas.
 
2012-12-31 05:08:13 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: This is 'Merica. We're safe from brain eating zombies. All you need to do is move to Texas.


llwproductions.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-31 05:10:43 PM  
What crime is drunk driving anyway? You are at a higher chance to commit a crime...but you haven't done anything yet

Thought crime, precrime...stupid American's
 
2012-12-31 05:11:51 PM  

tbhouston: What crime is drunk driving anyway? You are at a higher chance to commit a crime...but you haven't done anything yet

Thought crime, precrime...stupid American's


Other than operating a vehicle whilst intoxicated? Not sure if troll or actually that stupid
 
2012-12-31 05:15:40 PM  

kwame: BarkingUnicorn: "30 to 40" rewards per year since 2001.  Doesn't seem like a very popular program.

And it's dropping, which seems to be the point of the article.


Nah, the point of the article is to pump it up again.

The program is unusual because it pays for arrest, not for conviction like other crime-stopper programs I've seen.  Cops must be pretty confident of their ability to fabricate evidence.
 
2012-12-31 05:16:31 PM  

tbhouston: What crime is drunk driving anyway?


Well, it's a crime covered under Statute 55-10-401 in the State of Tennessee. But that's beside the point.

tbhouston: You are at a higher chance to commit a crime...but you haven't done anything yet


Society says otherwise, which as a whole deemed the prospect of someone driving above an arbitrary limit unacceptable when compared with the danger that person on average poses to others on the road.

tbhouston: Thought crime, precrime...stupid American's


suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com

Link to a table of legal BAC limits by country (in Mg/ML not MG/DL like the US commonly uses). I think you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2012-12-31 05:23:37 PM  
I might have to leave this asshole country.
 
2012-12-31 05:23:51 PM  
$10 bottle of whiskey, grandpa, net profit, $90.
 
2012-12-31 05:26:10 PM  

badhatharry: I might have to leave this asshole country.


cdn.stripersonline.com

Maybe you can drink and drive in the UK- wait, maybe Fra-, maybe German- DAMNIT! Maybe Itali- Maybe Somalia! Yeah, that's the ticket!

josephnewton.com
 
2012-12-31 05:28:04 PM  

KrispyKritter: i don't understand why joints that serve don't have a drive home the drunk patrons mobile.


Would you take the driver's job?  If so, how much would you charge to do it?

How do you get a drunk to accept your kind offer?

How many courtesy drivers and cars should a bar have available?

How will taxi drivers feel about this competition?

What do you do with all the drunks' cars left in your parking lot?

Never happen, kiddo.
 
2012-12-31 05:29:21 PM  

badhatharry: I might have to leave this asshole country.


Just drink and drive on your property.
 
2012-12-31 05:29:38 PM  
I'm thinking some troll will sit in his front yard and call in every car that passes by. While, himself will be working on a 12-pack and Doritos.
 
2012-12-31 05:30:36 PM  

lack of warmth: I'm thinking some troll will sit in his front yard and call in every car that passes by. While, himself will be working on a 12-pack and Doritos.


I'm pretty sure that filing a false police report is a crime. Might be mistaken....
 
2012-12-31 05:31:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: kwame: BarkingUnicorn: "30 to 40" rewards per year since 2001.  Doesn't seem like a very popular program.

And it's dropping, which seems to be the point of the article.

Nah, the point of the article is to pump it up again.

The program is unusual because it pays for arrest, not for conviction like other crime-stopper programs I've seen.  Cops must be pretty confident of their ability to fabricate evidence.


It seems that it hasn't been promoted that much so many people don't know about it. I have a feeling that this article will change that.
 
2012-12-31 05:33:27 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: And its Socialists who are dividing America?


this county went to obama by over 60%.
al gore wanted that county recounted in 2000.
not socialists obviously, but nosy liberals that like to get all up in your shiat.
 
2012-12-31 05:34:30 PM  

BronyMedic: lack of warmth: I'm thinking some troll will sit in his front yard and call in every car that passes by. While, himself will be working on a 12-pack and Doritos.

I'm pretty sure that filing a false police report is a crime. Might be mistaken....


And how would it be proved that your report was false?
 
2012-12-31 05:35:31 PM  
Do they have to be in Florida? I'm just going to send in a list of Total Farkers and wait for my $100 million dollar check.
 
2012-12-31 05:38:55 PM  
Well, shiat, here's something TFA doesn't mention:

There is a $500 lifetime reward limit.
 
2012-12-31 05:40:17 PM  
I don't care if people drink and drive.I'd say 90% of the cops I know routinely drive drunk.
 
2012-12-31 05:41:00 PM  
I think police departments coud make a ton of money by offering drunk-driving licenses. The way it works is this: you get one hour after the bars close to get home. If bars close at 1 a.m.--you have until 2 a.m. to get home. If you live somewhere where bars don't close, then a time is agreed upon. You have to have a speed limiter installed on your car that won't let you go faster than 20 KPH, special insurance and flashing purple and pink lights on the roof of your car. Your hood and bumpers have to be lined with 18" of Nerf. Also, doing a line on the dash is allowed during that hour.
 
2012-12-31 05:41:17 PM  

BronyMedic: badhatharry: I might have to leave this asshole country.

[cdn.stripersonline.com image 299x156]

Maybe you can drink and drive in the UK- wait, maybe Fra-, maybe German- DAMNIT! Maybe Itali- Maybe Somalia! Yeah, that's the ticket!

[josephnewton.com image 440x587]


Europe isn't as bad as America. It's the same hysteria that gave us Prohibition.
 
2012-12-31 05:41:18 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: And how would it be proved that your report was false?


I'm pretty sure "calling in every car you see" while drinking would make someone lean towards a false report.YM, and lack of common sense, might vary.

relcec: this county went to obama by over 60%.
al gore wanted that county recounted in 2000.
not socialists obviously, but nosy liberals that like to get all up in your shiat.


Considering the State of New York passed laws against DUI in 1910, and was at the time a bastion of conservative political machinery, I don't think you have an argument.
 
2012-12-31 05:42:19 PM  

badhatharry: Europe isn't as bad as America. It's the same hysteria that gave us Prohibition.


Europe also has a 0.00 BAC in many countries, and it's a lot harder to get a license there.

Hysteria is a laughable claim, as well, considering well around 15-20% of Accident Fatalities could be prevented by not drinking and driving.
 
2012-12-31 05:42:26 PM  

BronyMedic: Maybe you can drink and drive in the UK- wait, maybe Fra-, maybe German- DAMNIT! Maybe Itali- Maybe Somalia! Yeah, that's the ticket!


Is that a replica of the Arc De Triomphe?
 
2012-12-31 05:44:51 PM  
I'm in total agreement with incentivizing the public to do the work of police. I don't have time to take part in this program, though, as I'm off to King's Landing to present my latest dwarf head.
 
2012-12-31 05:46:03 PM  

fireclown: Is that a replica of the Arc De Triomphe?


I didn't even notice that. Pretty interesting!

Have you met your tour directors yet?

worldwithoutgenocide.org

We can enjoy nice sunset cruises!

www.wired.com
 
2012-12-31 05:54:48 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: KrispyKritter: i don't understand why joints that serve don't have a drive home the drunk patrons mobile.

Would you take the driver's job?  If so, how much would you charge to do it?

How do you get a drunk to accept your kind offer?

How many courtesy drivers and cars should a bar have available?

How will taxi drivers feel about this competition?

What do you do with all the drunks' cars left in your parking lot?

Never happen, kiddo.


Last year they had a program where they would tow your car ( and haul your ass) home for free during the holidays. It was supported by donations from the local bars.

There was another one that had free cab rides. I liked that one. For some reason, my home address kept changing to a few houses from my next bar.
 
2012-12-31 05:57:13 PM  
This over-reaction began in the early 80s, when drunk driving starting being unfairly demonised. Alcohol is simply an intensifier. Bad drivers drive worse whilst loaded, but good drivers drive much better.

Overall, the increase of accidents caused by bad drivers is cancelled by the decrease of accidents caused by good drivers. While there may be anecdotal horror stories about sloshed drivers mowing down entire bus queues, these are still anecdotes. The statistics don't lie. Alcohol has little effect upon road safety.
 
2012-12-31 06:01:16 PM  
I could've made $300 off myself last Saturday
 
2012-12-31 06:02:07 PM  

BronyMedic: badhatharry: Europe isn't as bad as America. It's the same hysteria that gave us Prohibition.

Europe also has a 0.00 BAC in many countries, and it's a lot harder to get a license there.

Hysteria is a laughable claim, as well, considering well around 15-20% of Accident Fatalities could be prevented by not drinking and driving.


It is mass hysteria. Normally sane, freedom loving people are all for checkpoints and forced no warrant blood tests. Felony charges for having three beers instead of two. Now we have them encouraging us to inform on each other. To save us from the evil drunk drivers trying to kill us all. It's like cars and booze are new inventions. How did we ever survive all these years. The real reason police departments love drunk drivers is that they have the money to pay the fines as compared to other felons.
 
2012-12-31 06:05:57 PM  
In some states, not sure about Florida, a person making 50k per year or less will have their lives ruined by a DUI. Pretty awful until 100k. Not sure after that.
Plus the traffic officer is the angriest SOB on the force. If you bother him enough to pull someone over, he is going to make sure tickets are written if he cannot take someone to jail.
If someone is a danger, then it is always worth saving lives, and no reward is needed.

Plus the person who calls to get paid is usually a jerk. There is just no argument that leads me to think this is a good idea.
 
2012-12-31 06:12:14 PM  

rev. dave: In some states, not sure about Florida, a person making 50k per year or less will have their lives ruined by a DUI. Pretty awful until 100k. Not sure after that.
Plus the traffic officer is the angriest SOB on the force. If you bother him enough to pull someone over, he is going to make sure tickets are written if he cannot take someone to jail.
If someone is a danger, then it is always worth saving lives, and no reward is needed.

Plus the person who calls to get paid is usually a jerk. There is just no argument that leads me to think this is a good idea.


Eh .... I'll give em a hand tonight. I need all the cash I can get. I'm a jerk anyway so no big surprise. I'll just monitor the parties in my condo and report as necessary.

drunk and trolling is all...
 
2012-12-31 06:13:30 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: TexasPeace: 1.  Sit in a bar, observe patrons, report them as they leave, profit.
2.  Find out where your ex likes to party, call it in as she's leaving, Shadenfreude + profit.

All reports are required to be by text message.
Really, is it smart to encourage vigilante wannabes to drive around talking on cell phones in the wee hours when everybody is drunk?

1. Sit in a cop bar and report patrons as they leave...


Wouldn't work. You only get the $100 if they're arrested.
 
2012-12-31 06:31:33 PM  

BronyMedic: tbhouston: What crime is drunk driving anyway?

Well, it's a crime covered under Statute 55-10-401 in the State of Tennessee. But that's beside the point.

tbhouston: You are at a higher chance to commit a crime...but you haven't done anything yet

Society says otherwise, which as a whole deemed the prospect of someone driving above an arbitrary limit unacceptable when compared with the danger that person on average poses to others on the road.

tbhouston: Thought crime, precrime...stupid American's

[suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com image 604x453]

Link to a table of legal BAC limits by country (in Mg/ML not MG/DL like the US commonly uses). I think you have no idea what you're talking about.


So it's a crime because it is illegal...seems solid.

Think hard for a second and try to figure out what crime a drunk driver has committed..

Person A leaves a bar, drives home and goes to bed. What crime was committed? None

Person B leaves a bar and gets into an accident and kills three people. What crime was committed? Murder.
 
2012-12-31 06:37:33 PM  

tbhouston: BronyMedic: tbhouston: What crime is drunk driving anyway?

Well, it's a crime covered under Statute 55-10-401 in the State of Tennessee. But that's beside the point.

tbhouston: You are at a higher chance to commit a crime...but you haven't done anything yet

Society says otherwise, which as a whole deemed the prospect of someone driving above an arbitrary limit unacceptable when compared with the danger that person on average poses to others on the road.

tbhouston: Thought crime, precrime...stupid American's

[suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com image 604x453]

Link to a table of legal BAC limits by country (in Mg/ML not MG/DL like the US commonly uses). I think you have no idea what you're talking about.

So it's a crime because it is illegal...seems solid.

Think hard for a second and try to figure out what crime a drunk driver has committed..

Person A leaves a bar, drives home and goes to bed. What crime was committed? None

Person B leaves a bar and gets into an accident and kills three people. What crime was committed? Murder.


Both committed crimes but only one was caught.
 
2012-12-31 06:37:49 PM  

badhatharry: It is mass hysteria. Normally sane, freedom loving people are all for checkpoints and forced no warrant blood tests.


Yeah, no.

And you still have the option of refusing a sobriety test. Just don't expect to be granted the privilege to operate a motor vehicle in return. As your constitutional right to walk wherever you like is not violated, there's no loss of your freedoms.

badhatharry: Felony charges for having three beers instead of two.


No. Misderminor charges that result in you losing your driving privileges for getting behind the wheel under the influence. If you can't sober up before you get behind the wheel, or there is something so pressing that you must leave IMMEDIATELY when you've slammed down three beers, you have a far greater problem than the law.

badhatharry: Now we have them encouraging us to inform on each other.


Police have always encouraged citizens to tell on assholes who drive drunk. Nothing new, again. And no violation of your rights.

badhatharry: To save us from the evil drunk drivers trying to kill us all. It's like cars and booze are new inventions. How did we ever survive all these years.


utopianist.com
Amazing how enforcing laws against impaired driving works to prevent and reduce death, isn't it?

badhatharry: The real reason police departments love drunk drivers is that they have the money to pay the fines as compared to other felons.


Yes. The poor, persecuted drunk drivers who have no choice but to get behind the wheel.
 
2012-12-31 06:38:04 PM  

tbhouston: BronyMedic: tbhouston: What crime is drunk driving anyway?

Well, it's a crime covered under Statute 55-10-401 in the State of Tennessee. But that's beside the point.

tbhouston: You are at a higher chance to commit a crime...but you haven't done anything yet

Society says otherwise, which as a whole deemed the prospect of someone driving above an arbitrary limit unacceptable when compared with the danger that person on average poses to others on the road.

tbhouston: Thought crime, precrime...stupid American's

[suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com image 604x453]

Link to a table of legal BAC limits by country (in Mg/ML not MG/DL like the US commonly uses). I think you have no idea what you're talking about.

So it's a crime because it is illegal...seems solid.

Think hard for a second and try to figure out what crime a drunk driver has committed..

Person A leaves a bar, drives home and goes to bed. What crime was committed? None

Person B leaves a bar and gets into an accident and kills three people. What crime was committed? Murder.


Man you are really treading on the troll/idiot line
 
2012-12-31 06:41:43 PM  

igorknowsall: tbhouston:

Both committed crimes but only one was caught.


Who is the victim then?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli38.1.html
 
2012-12-31 06:42:20 PM  

tbhouston: So it's a crime because it is illegal...seems solid.


You asked what crime had been committed. I provided you the citation to the actual crime. But since you're wanting to debate WHY it's illegal, it's because society as a whole has deemed it illegal to operate a motor vehicle which endangers the lives of everyone around you while you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or driving distracted.

tbhouston: Think hard for a second and try to figure out what crime a drunk driver has committed..


Sure thing!

tbhouston: Person A leaves a bar, drives home and goes to bed. What crime was committed? None


If that person was over the legal limit set by legislation, that person committed the crime of driving under the influence of alcohol beyond the legal limit, as defined by the state which he resides in. This is because as a whole, society has ruled the cost of doing so unacceptable. You do not have a constitutional right to operate a motor vehicle, it is a licensed privilege granted to you by society.

tbhouston: Person B leaves a bar and gets into an accident and kills three people. What crime was committed? Murder.


Murder and DUI.
 
2012-12-31 06:47:11 PM  

BronyMedic: tbhouston: So it's a crime because it is illegal...seems solid.

You asked what crime had been committed. I provided you the citation to the actual crime. But since you're wanting to debate WHY it's illegal, it's because society as a whole has deemed it illegal to operate a motor vehicle which endangers the lives of everyone around you while you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or driving distracted.

tbhouston: Think hard for a second and try to figure out what crime a drunk driver has committed..

Sure thing!

tbhouston: Person A leaves a bar, drives home and goes to bed. What crime was committed? None

If that person was over the legal limit set by legislation, that person committed the crime of driving under the influence of alcohol beyond the legal limit, as defined by the state which he resides in. This is because as a whole, society has ruled the cost of doing so unacceptable. You do not have a constitutional right to operate a motor vehicle, it is a licensed privilege granted to you by society.

tbhouston: Person B leaves a bar and gets into an accident and kills three people. What crime was committed? Murder.

Murder and DUI.


Keep your head in the sand citizen.
 
2012-12-31 06:49:00 PM  

tbhouston: Who is the victim then?


Every person on the road which was endangered by your selfish inability to wait a few minutes and eat some damn food before you slammed a brewski.

There does NOT have to be physical harm or actual loss to a person for a crime to have occurred, intent and harm to society also weigh heavily into it. The notion of Precrime, as Dick imagined it in his book, is the premise of the thought of committing a violent act actually leading you to do it, a major deus ex machina in that universe being that it embodied the infinite probability paradox - the Pre-cogs could only see what would happen in one outcome.

tbhouston: http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli38.1.html


Ah. A "Fascism with a Bow Tie" libertarian, are you?
 
2012-12-31 06:50:23 PM  

tbhouston: igorknowsall: tbhouston:

Both committed crimes but only one was caught.

Who is the victim then?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli38.1.html


'Victimless' crimes include the following: drunk driving, consensual prostitution, public nudity (assumes a no fatties codicil), buying non-food items before 1:30 PM on Sundays in the Bible Belt, and attempted murder.
 
2012-12-31 06:50:42 PM  

tbhouston: Keep your head in the sand citizen.


What? Calling me a sheeple was too low brow? LOL.

Yes. Poor, pitiful, persecuted drunk drivers. Oh, woe are them! Their rights are violated by not being able to drink and drive!
 
2012-12-31 06:51:40 PM  
So basically, drink all you want.

When you're ready to go home, you and friends text the local patrol about "some drunks a few miles away".

It's like creating your own diversion!
 
2012-12-31 06:52:17 PM  

tbhouston: igorknowsall: tbhouston:

Both committed crimes but only one was caught.

Who is the victim then?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli38.1.html


There was none but a victimless crime is still a crime nonetheless.
 
2012-12-31 06:54:01 PM  
100 bucks can buy a lot of shots for the road.
 
2012-12-31 06:55:30 PM  
Ctrl-F "Cobra Effect" = disappointment.
 
2012-12-31 06:59:03 PM  
Do they offer double for turning in a family member?
 
2012-12-31 06:59:35 PM  

tbhouston: http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli38.1.html


Comparisons to drunk driving in that link, asking why they are legal when an arbitrary BAC level is not:
There are sleepy drivers, drivers toying with their stereos, drivers old enough to have seen Great Depression I, drivers with dogs on their laps, drivers putting on makeup, drivers with glasses thicker than their taillights, teenage drivers, drivers looking at maps, drivers with the flu, drivers screaming at their spouses, drivers with kids fighting in the backseat, drivers eating tacos, virtually every single driver in Los Angeles...

Guess, what: the bolded ones are also illegal and can get you ticketed under reckless driving. The guy with glasses can also get a ticket if he doesn't wear them, and the ones with the flu can get arrested for DUI if they've taken too much medication to drive safely. Teenage drivers have to have a permit and licensed supervisor in the car while they're driving or else they're illegal too. Old drivers are not a hazard simply by their age - other medical conditions are the cause of their problems.

So in your link, the only ones left is drivers in LA; which could probably be pulled over for some kind of reckless driving such as road rage. Leaving you with exactly dick for a citation.
 
2012-12-31 07:01:52 PM  

Karac: Comparisons to drunk driving in that link, asking why they are legal when an arbitrary BAC level is not:
There are sleepy drivers, drivers toying with their stereos, drivers old enough to have seen Great Depression I, drivers with dogs on their laps, drivers putting on makeup, drivers with glasses thicker than their taillights, teenage drivers, drivers looking at maps, drivers with the flu, drivers screaming at their spouses, drivers with kids fighting in the backseat, drivers eating tacos, virtually every single driver in Los Angeles...

Guess, what: the bolded ones are also illegal and can get you ticketed under reckless driving. The guy with glasses can also get a ticket if he doesn't wear them, and the ones with the flu can get arrested for DUI if they've taken too much medication to drive safely. Teenage drivers have to have a permit and licensed supervisor in the car while they're driving or else they're illegal too. Old drivers are not a hazard simply by their age - other medical conditions are the cause of their problems.

So in your link, the only ones left is drivers in LA; which could probably be pulled over for some kind of reckless driving such as road rage. Leaving you with exactly dick for a citation.


Forget it jake, he's a libertarian. He thinks you should be able to do everything you want, until someone suffers actual personal harm. Then it's MAYBE, possibly a crime.
 
2012-12-31 07:10:47 PM  

fluffy2097: redmid17: He was making a joke about your decimal being wrong.

The decimal point is exactly where I want it. I'm making a joke about alcoholics. Like you, who is apparently to plastered to get the joke.


That should be "Too plastered" not "to". Funny how you scold someone else for a decimal point when you can't even use correct grammar. Sheesh!
 
2012-12-31 07:13:20 PM  

LtDarkstar: That should be "Too plastered" not "to". Funny how you scold someone else for a decimal point when you can't even use correct grammar. Sheesh!


Okay. Who summoned the Grammar Nazis. ITS ALL FUN AND GAMES UNTIL!
 
2012-12-31 07:16:07 PM  

BronyMedic: LtDarkstar: That should be "Too plastered" not "to". Funny how you scold someone else for a decimal point when you can't even use correct grammar. Sheesh!

Okay. Who summoned the Grammar Nazis. ITS ALL FUN AND GAMES UNTIL!


Until what? Don't leave us hanging?
 
2012-12-31 07:17:35 PM  

redmid17: Until what? Don't leave us hanging?


Was that a black joke?
 
2012-12-31 07:18:36 PM  

BronyMedic: LtDarkstar: That should be "Too plastered" not "to". Funny how you scold someone else for a decimal point when you can't even use correct grammar. Sheesh!

Okay. Who summoned the Grammar Nazis. ITS ALL FUN AND GAMES UNTL!


ftfy
 
2012-12-31 07:21:34 PM  

BronyMedic: redmid17: Until what? Don't leave us hanging?

Was that a black joke?


I was aiming for a penis joke.
 
2012-12-31 07:22:39 PM  

redmid17: I was aiming for a penis joke


Damn. I guess I got a little dark there, huh? Low hanging fruit...
 
2012-12-31 07:24:16 PM  

BronyMedic: redmid17: I was aiming for a penis joke

Damn. I guess I got a little dark there, huh? Low hanging fruit...


Speaking of fruit, sir...

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-31 07:28:59 PM  
Are drunk driving accidents actually more common on New Years?

Decades ago when I was researching motorcycle accidents I seem to remember that drunk driving accidents on New Years were much less common than other times of the year.
 
2012-12-31 07:33:31 PM  
Something that I think a lot of people forget is the fine print when you sign for your drivers license. You've agreed to follow the rules of the road--not being impaired, following the speed limits etc. Some rules are more strictly enforced than others, but in the long run, you break too many rules in too short of a time, and you lose the privilege of driving.

If you don't like the rules, or are incapable of following them for some reason, you may as well get used to being driven around.
 
2012-12-31 07:33:51 PM  
Yay, let's all make racist jokes and let everybody know how superior we are to drunks!  Happy New Year All!  "Where's My $100?"
 
2012-12-31 07:35:46 PM  

DiggidyDan: Yay, let's all make racist jokes and let everybody know how superior we are to drunks!


What racist slur has been used in this thread?
 
2012-12-31 07:35:47 PM  

vodka: Are drunk driving accidents actually more common on New Years?

Decades ago when I was researching motorcycle accidents I seem to remember that drunk driving accidents on New Years were much less common than other times of the year.


"Drinking Holidays" like New Years brings cab drivers out in force. We all know there's gonna be more cops out than usual tonight, so we are more likely to go out of our way to get a cab, or at the very least a DD. My local bar is even offering a $17 per person ride home in a limo tonight.

Plus it's winter here up north, it's cold, windy, and might be snowing. Screw motorcycling.
 
2012-12-31 07:47:24 PM  

BronyMedic: DiggidyDan: Yay, let's all make racist jokes and let everybody know how superior we are to drunks!

What racist slur has been used in this thread?


You see, he's leaving us hanging like that guy earlier with little to no stimulation. I don't like it one bit.
 
2012-12-31 07:52:53 PM  
does a baker act count??
 
2012-12-31 08:08:59 PM  
I plan to drive around and call in drunk drivers on my cell phone while driving.

What?
 
2012-12-31 08:11:46 PM  
Ok, but if I get pulled over and I'm sober, I get the narc's name and address to get to kick him/her in the balls.
 
2012-12-31 08:15:34 PM  
I'm not sure how much they really care. I followed a drunk for about 75 miles through 5 counties in Georgia and Alabama. He never was pulled over.
 
2012-12-31 08:22:37 PM  
Monday Morning, 2:00 am

Early New Year's morning a policeman waited across the street from a popular bar, hoping for a nail a drunken driver, possibly preventing a tragic accident.

At closing time the patrons came out and the officer spotted his potential quarry. One man was so obviously inebriated that he could barely walk. He stumbled around the parking lot for a few minutes, looking for his car.

After trying his keys on five other cars, he finally found his own vehicle. He sat in the car a good ten minutes, as the other patrons left. He turned his lights on, then off, wipers on, then off. He started to pull forward into the grass, then stopped.

Finally, when he was the last car, he pulled out onto the road and started to drive away.

The patrolman, waiting for this, turned on his lights and pulled the man over. He administered the breathalyzer test, and to his great surprise, the man blew a 0.00.

The patrolman was dumbfounded. "This equipment must be broken!" he exclaimed.

"I doubt it," said the man, "Tonight I am the designated decoy!"

/obligatory
 
2012-12-31 08:49:34 PM  
vodka: Are drunk driving accidents actually more common on New Years?

Decades ago when I was researching motorcycle accidents I seem to remember that drunk driving accidents on New Years were much less common than other times of the year.


Well January is the middle of fracking winter. Most people north of like I-10 aren't riding then.
 
2012-12-31 09:00:43 PM  

tbhouston: BronyMedic: tbhouston: What crime is drunk driving anyway?

Well, it's a crime covered under Statute 55-10-401 in the State of Tennessee. But that's beside the point.

tbhouston: You are at a higher chance to commit a crime...but you haven't done anything yet

Society says otherwise, which as a whole deemed the prospect of someone driving above an arbitrary limit unacceptable when compared with the danger that person on average poses to others on the road.

tbhouston: Thought crime, precrime...stupid American's

[suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com image 604x453]

Link to a table of legal BAC limits by country (in Mg/ML not MG/DL like the US commonly uses). I think you have no idea what you're talking about.

So it's a crime because it is illegal...seems solid.

Think hard for a second and try to figure out what crime a drunk driver has committed..

Person A leaves a bar, drives home and goes to bed. What crime was committed? None

Person B leaves a bar and gets into an accident and kills three people. What crime was committed? Murder.


Nice try; but malum prohibitum crimes are just as much crimes as mala in se crimes. It's the price we pay for getting to live in a civil society. You may not like it that drunk driving is in and of itself a crime because "nobody got hurt", but we as a culture have decided that it's preferable to not wait until someone dies or gets maimed before we call that a "crime." Now, we as a society have also decided that the number of situations where you can preemptively be arrested before anything bad happens is fairly small--drunk driving where nobody dies, selling drugs, selling your body, some other crimes that can POTENTIALLY impact society--and those laws have redressability at the ballot box. Don't like it? Get a referendum on the ballot and have drugs, prostitution or drunk driving made legal.

You won't get many people fervently arguing that drunks ought to be allowed free license to roam the streets, unfortunately, or that they should be good to go as long as they don't hit anyone, since everyone is acutely aware the next person they hit might be them.
 
2012-12-31 09:24:07 PM  
I wasn't specifically talking about motorcycle accidents dumbasses. I was researching accidents in general as part of motorcycle research.
 
2012-12-31 09:27:15 PM  

Godscrack: If you're gonna snitch, you better be sure you don't have so much an overdue library book.

Like all their other snitch programs, they run a background check on you first.


Wait, what? I mean, yeah, you probably shouldn't have warrants out for you, but if you're running around knowingly avoiding warrants you probably have bigger problems in life than drunk drivers.

At the same time, I really doubt anyone who runs a background check cares about things that most people might have hanging over their head, like an overdue cell phone bill or a not up-to-date address on their drivers license. At least, in my experience the FBI, CHP, and local law enforcement haven't given a crap at all.

Why would they complain that someone else is doing their job for them?
 
2012-12-31 10:02:33 PM  

Oldiron_79: vodka: Are drunk driving accidents actually more common on New Years?

Decades ago when I was researching motorcycle accidents I seem to remember that drunk driving accidents on New Years were much less common than other times of the year.

Well January is the middle of fracking winter. Most people north of like I-10 aren't riding then.


Pussies.
 
2013-01-01 12:40:45 AM  
I'm going to report those jerk upstairs with the loud stereo.
 
2013-01-01 07:11:26 AM  
4umi.com

A good citizen always reports any suspicious activity to the authorities.
 
2013-01-01 08:33:56 AM  
I rarely drink alcohol, and I certainly don't drink and drive - but if I wanted to, no one could stop me!
 
2013-01-01 09:47:00 AM  
historyofmassachusetts.org
 
2013-01-01 10:38:30 AM  
kendelrio: Oldiron_79: vodka: Are drunk driving accidents actually more common on New Years?

Decades ago when I was researching motorcycle accidents I seem to remember that drunk driving accidents on New Years were much less common than other times of the year.

Well January is the middle of fracking winter. Most people north of like I-10 aren't riding then.

Pussies.


I don't disagree with you about them being pussies.
 
2013-01-01 11:22:30 AM  
Translation of the article:

The police department isn't making their holiday profit quota.
 
2013-01-01 12:38:29 PM  
Be prepared for the bonus tasering, police harassment, and double standard justice if said drunk driver happens to be a cop.
 
2013-01-01 03:35:39 PM  
I was a kid when the cold war was going on. And I remember asking just what was so darn evil about those Russian commies.

One of the reasons i was given was that in the soviet union, citizens were encouraged to spy on eachother to root out ner-do-wells

I remember thinking what a horribly paranoid culture that must breed & boy was i glad i didnt live there.
 
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