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2012-12-31 11:03:09 AM  
www.bbc.co.uk

Approves of the President's strategy.
 
2012-12-31 11:06:26 AM  
I don't understand why our friend at NRO is taking a swipe at Obama.  McConnell, Boehner and Reid, sure.  Tear their collective asses out all you like - the ball is in their court until a bill is placed before the President.  The President has been pretty gosh darn clear about what he will and will not sign, other than that, he gets to have an opinion but he's not writing the playbook on this one.
Or is this just sour grapes, because McConnell will have to accept a D-leaning Senate bill?  McConnell doesnt even have enough squawk to play chicken right now - Chained CPI is out, Corker, Graham and Coburn have already publicly stated that they are ready to vote for higher taxes on top earners.  McConnell is literally negotiating to be farked WITH lube rather than without lube.
Boehner is no help in strengthening McConnell's position, either - he can't lead the wolves of his own party to fresh meat and will be basically assisting Pelosi in rounding up 218 House votes.
 
2012-12-31 11:06:58 AM  
you think he is getting tax hikes on people making more than 200k?

we will see.  I doubt it.

he will get his uncontrolled spending and by adding another several trillion to the debt an award for being the biggest spender.  Do you think he wants that too?
 
2012-12-31 11:10:01 AM  
It looks like NRO is still mired in pre-election "conservative" self-delusion.

"Obama is incompetent" is so November 5th.
 
2012-12-31 11:11:06 AM  
Plus have the "cliff" (damn i hate that term) tax hikes cover the increases that were coming due to Obamacare
 
2012-12-31 11:11:31 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: you think he is getting tax hikes on people making more than 200k?

we will see. I doubt it.

he will get his uncontrolled spending and by adding another several trillion to the debt an award for being the biggest spender. Do you think he wants that too?


Completely incomprehensible. You may as well be breakdancing.
 
2012-12-31 11:11:51 AM  
Obama has never had a real job. He's an empty suit. He's a community organizer. He can't even run a lemonade stand.
 
2012-12-31 11:15:03 AM  
To steal from EK:

Today's Republican Party thinks the key problem America faces is out-of-control entitlement spending. But cutting entitlement spending is unpopular and the GOP's coalition relies heavily on seniors. And so they don't want to propose entitlement cuts. If possible, they'd even like to attack President Obama for proposing entitlement cuts. But they also want to see entitlements cut and will refuse to solve the fiscal cliff or raise the debt ceiling unless there are entitlement cuts.

You can see why these negotiations aren't going well.
 
2012-12-31 11:16:19 AM  
Presidebt B-Rock Fart Soetoro Bongo Allahu Akbar is the worst commander-in-chief since ever. He's a big meanie forcing Republicans to do things.
 
2012-12-31 11:17:46 AM  

DamnYankees: To steal from EK:

Today's Republican Party thinks the key problem America faces is out-of-control entitlement spending. But cutting entitlement spending is unpopular and the GOP's coalition relies heavily on seniors. And so they don't want to propose entitlement cuts. If possible, they'd even like to attack President Obama for proposing entitlement cuts. But they also want to see entitlements cut and will refuse to solve the fiscal cliff or raise the debt ceiling unless there are entitlement cuts.

You can see why these negotiations aren't going well.


They really do want the government out of their Medicare.
 
2012-12-31 11:18:07 AM  

DamnYankees: To steal from EK:

Today's Republican Party thinks the key problem America faces is out-of-control entitlement spending. But cutting entitlement spending is unpopular and the GOP's coalition relies heavily on seniors. And so they don't want to propose entitlement cuts. If possible, they'd even like to attack President Obama for proposing entitlement cuts. But they also want to see entitlements cut and will refuse to solve the fiscal cliff or raise the debt ceiling unless there are entitlement cuts.

You can see why these negotiations aren't going well.


They keep trying to maneuver the Dems into proposing the entitlement cuts. So they can get both.
 
2012-12-31 11:18:12 AM  

vernonFL: Obama has never had a real job. He's an empty suit. He's a community organizer. He can't even run a lemonade stand.


Give it time.  In a week or two he'll be an evil genius manipulating the system and the people to destroy America.
 
2012-12-31 11:19:27 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: you think he is getting tax hikes on people making more than 200k?

we will see.  I doubt it.

he will get his uncontrolled spending and by adding another several trillion to the debt an award for being the biggest spender.  Do you think he wants that too?


You drinking early today?
 
2012-12-31 11:19:53 AM  
Man up you weasels.
 
2012-12-31 11:21:11 AM  

clancifer: tenpoundsofcheese: you think he is getting tax hikes on people making more than 200k?

we will see.  I doubt it.

he will get his uncontrolled spending and by adding another several trillion to the debt an award for being the biggest spender.  Do you think he wants that too?

You drinking early today?


He actually starts making sense when he drinks.  I think it works like giving speed to kids with ADHD.
 
2012-12-31 11:22:43 AM  

doyner: DamnYankees: To steal from EK:

Today's Republican Party thinks the key problem America faces is out-of-control entitlement spending. But cutting entitlement spending is unpopular and the GOP's coalition relies heavily on seniors. And so they don't want to propose entitlement cuts. If possible, they'd even like to attack President Obama for proposing entitlement cuts. But they also want to see entitlements cut and will refuse to solve the fiscal cliff or raise the debt ceiling unless there are entitlement cuts.

You can see why these negotiations aren't going well.

They really do want the government out of their Medicare.


Isn't that like taking the espresso out of the latte?
 
2012-12-31 11:24:46 AM  

Shrew2u: I don't understand why our friend at NRO is taking a swipe at Obama.  McConnell, Boehner and Reid, sure.  Tear their collective asses out all you like - the ball is in their court until a bill is placed before the President.  The President has been pretty gosh darn clear about what he will and will not sign, other than that, he gets to have an opinion but he's not writing the playbook on this one.


By telling them what he will and will not sign, he is writing the playbook.
 
2012-12-31 11:29:47 AM  
Look like?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-31 11:30:06 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: you think he is getting tax hikes on people making more than 200k?

we will see.  I doubt it.

he will get his uncontrolled spending and by adding another several trillion to the debt an award for being the biggest spender.  Do you think he wants that too?


Well, the tax cuts will expire, he doesn't need congress to agree to raising them, they will go up automatically.

Maybe if the House could find some actual welfare queens they could propose some cuts.  Or they could just give up on the borrow and spend nonsense and admit that we need more revenue.
 
2012-12-31 11:30:16 AM  

Via Infinito: doyner: DamnYankees: To steal from EK:

Today's Republican Party thinks the key problem America faces is out-of-control entitlement spending. But cutting entitlement spending is unpopular and the GOP's coalition relies heavily on seniors. And so they don't want to propose entitlement cuts. If possible, they'd even like to attack President Obama for proposing entitlement cuts. But they also want to see entitlements cut and will refuse to solve the fiscal cliff or raise the debt ceiling unless there are entitlement cuts.

You can see why these negotiations aren't going well.

They really do want the government out of their Medicare.

Isn't that like taking the espresso out of the latte?


No.  It's like taking the espresso out of the espresso.
 
2012-12-31 11:31:50 AM  
You know, if it wasn't for the Medicare doc fix and unemployment benefits, I'd rather just go over the cliff and see across the board tax increases. We need the income, badly. We can't realistically get it entirely from the top, everyone has to feel some pain. Back to pre-Bush levels is a decent start. The next change I'd make is to completely toss the separate rules for cap gains. It should be taxed like regular income. Maybe keep the levels at 15% for under $50k, so 401k withdrawals are low.
 
2012-12-31 11:35:53 AM  
First, I suggest you look at the 2011 NRO predictions for 2012.  Then, I wouldn't bother reading the 2012 predictions.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/286756/2012-predictions-nro-s ym posium
 
2012-12-31 11:37:52 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: you think he is getting tax hikes on people making more than 200k?

we will see.  I doubt it.

he will get his uncontrolled spending and by adding another several trillion to the debt an award for being the biggest spender.  Do you think he wants that too?


Who are you talking to?
 
2012-12-31 11:39:12 AM  

GAT_00: You know, if it wasn't for the Medicare doc fix and unemployment benefits, I'd rather just go over the cliff and see across the board tax increases. We need the income, badly. We can't realistically get it entirely from the top, everyone has to feel some pain. Back to pre-Bush levels is a decent start. The next change I'd make is to completely toss the separate rules for cap gains. It should be taxed like regular income. Maybe keep the levels at 15% for under $50k, so 401k withdrawals are low.


This would work if people wouldn't be whiny babies about it. Pay your share for all you get, do your part to pay our way out of the financial mess we've spent decades getting ourselves into, and be proud of doing it for America.

As it is, the hand-wringing, clothes-rending panic no doubt will push us into recession again. Home of the Brave, indeed.
 
2012-12-31 11:41:04 AM  
"look like"?
 
2012-12-31 11:43:34 AM  
JONAH GOLDBERG
A non-white male or a non-male white will be the Republican vice-presidential nominee.

The U.S. Senate will be split 50-50 between the parties.

The Occupy Wall Street movement will become an even more obvious joke and a major liability for Democrats, particularly when it grows violent at the political conventions. The MSM will pretend it was agnostic on the movement all along.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will publicly lose a major power struggle.

Iraq will degenerate to the point where the "Who lost Iraq?" debate will be a major liability for the White House.

After the elections, George Stephanopoulos will let it be known he'll stop hosting ABC's  This Week, making way for Jake Tapper.

Donald Trump will not run for president.

Joe Biden will eat an entire brick of cheese on C-SPAN. "This is a big f****** deal," he'll explain while chewing with his mouth open.

0 out of 6 on his serious predictions for 2012
 
2012-12-31 11:47:35 AM  

mrshowrules: JONAH GOLDBERG
A non-white male or a non-male white will be the Republican vice-presidential nominee.

The U.S. Senate will be split 50-50 between the parties.

The Occupy Wall Street movement will become an even more obvious joke and a major liability for Democrats, particularly when it grows violent at the political conventions. The MSM will pretend it was agnostic on the movement all along.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will publicly lose a major power struggle.

Iraq will degenerate to the point where the "Who lost Iraq?" debate will be a major liability for the White House.

After the elections, George Stephanopoulos will let it be known he'll stop hosting ABC's  This Week, making way for Jake Tapper.

Donald Trump will not run for president.

Joe Biden will eat an entire brick of cheese on C-SPAN. "This is a big f****** deal," he'll explain while chewing with his mouth open.

0 out of 6 on his serious predictions for 2012




Are you sure, I think the cheese thing happened.
 
2012-12-31 11:51:46 AM  
The only hang up on this now is that McConnell and Boner (oops, misspelled his name) are trying to find a way to spin this to make it look like they didn't get their asses handed to them on a silver platter.
 
2012-12-31 12:00:11 PM  

vpb: tenpoundsofcheese: you think he is getting tax hikes on people making more than 200k?

we will see.  I doubt it.

he will get his uncontrolled spending and by adding another several trillion to the debt an award for being the biggest spender.  Do you think he wants that too?

Well, the tax cuts will expire, he doesn't need congress to agree to raising them, they will go up automatically.

Maybe if the House could find some actual welfare queens they could propose some cuts.  Or they could just give up on the borrow and spend nonsense and admit that we need more revenue.


sure we need more revenue, but 0bama is spending $1T more a year than we have coming in where are you going to find $1T more of tax revenue every year?  His desire to raise taxes on people earning above 200k only was raising about 100B a year.
 
2012-12-31 12:02:06 PM  

Raharu: mrshowrules: JONAH GOLDBERG
A non-white male or a non-male white will be the Republican vice-presidential nominee.

The U.S. Senate will be split 50-50 between the parties.

The Occupy Wall Street movement will become an even more obvious joke and a major liability for Democrats, particularly when it grows violent at the political conventions. The MSM will pretend it was agnostic on the movement all along.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will publicly lose a major power struggle.

Iraq will degenerate to the point where the "Who lost Iraq?" debate will be a major liability for the White House.

After the elections, George Stephanopoulos will let it be known he'll stop hosting ABC's  This Week, making way for Jake Tapper.

Donald Trump will not run for president.

Joe Biden will eat an entire brick of cheese on C-SPAN. "This is a big f****** deal," he'll explain while chewing with his mouth open.

0 out of 6 on his serious predictions for 2012

Are you sure, I think the cheese thing happened.


Of course Biden did that.  It wasn't really a serious prediction because we all knew that was inevitable.
 
2012-12-31 12:07:19 PM  
I refuse to click -- do they still call him an "inexperienced community organizer" or have they finally admitted that as of 1/21/13 there will only be two people on earth with more experience as POTUS than Obama?
 
2012-12-31 12:17:25 PM  

mrshowrules: First, I suggest you look at the 2011 NRO predictions for 2012.  Then, I wouldn't bother reading the 2012 predictions.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/286756/2012-predictions-nro-s ym posium


But some of the 2013 predictions are funny! "Republicans will transition to a generation of younger leaders that will position it as the dynamic, vibrant party."

And, "Matt Drudge and Rush Limbaugh will do things both consistent and innovative."
 
2012-12-31 12:20:03 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: as of 1/21/13 there will only be two people on earth with more experience as POTUS than Obama


twimg0-a.akamaihd.netencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-31 12:27:26 PM  

mrshowrules: First, I suggest you look at the 2011 NRO predictions for 2012.  Then, I wouldn't bother reading the 2012 predictions.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/286756/2012-predictions-nro-s ym posium


John Derbyshire did okay (aside from predicting that Obama will lose). But then again, he literally predicted the most obvious things possible (Putin will win re-election? YOU DON'T SAY!"

My analysis of the Jonah Goldberg predictions:

A non-white male or a non-male white will be the Republican vice-presidential nominee. Ha ha, not even close.
The U.S. Senate will be split 50-50 between the parties.Nope.
The Occupy Wall Street movement will become an even more obvious joke and a major liability for Democrats, particularly when it grows violent at the political conventions. The MSM will pretend it was agnostic on the movement all along. Nope.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will publicly lose a major power struggle.
- Hey, Jonah, he lost the power struggle against the Ayatollah in 2010/2011
Iraq will degenerate to the point where the "Who lost Iraq?" debate will be a major liability for the White House. - Nope
After the elections, George Stephanopoulos will let it be known he'll stop hosting ABC's This Week, making way for Jake Tapper.
Nope
Donald Trump will not run for president. YAY, YOU GOT ONE RIGHT, JONAH!
Joe Biden will eat an entire brick of cheese on C-SPAN. "This is a big f****** deal," he'll explain while chewing with his mouth open. Nope.

Hugh Hewitt:


Mitt Romney will be the GOP nominee, and Marco Rubio the nominee for vice president. The Romney-Rubio ticket will win handily, an outcome made very easy to predict on election night when Pennsylvania goes Republican by a wide margin.
The House GOP majority will expand by a few seats, but the Senate GOP will pick up Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Montana, and one additional "surprise" seat while losing none. Scott Brown will win handily in Massachusetts.
Mitt got the nomination, but wrong on everything else.

Act of Valor will be the surprise blockbuster movie of the year, and when it opens on President's Day weekend, the SEALs and other special forces will find themselves with a decade's worth of recruits. NOPE. If anything, this movie bombed and got 25% on Rotten Tomatoes

There will be a struggle between John Boehner and Eric Cantor for the speakership in late November. NOPE.
Megyn Kelly will move into prime time, and The Five will re-air sometime in the evening when people can watch. Bob Beckel will be the man GOP-convention goers in Tampa Bay most love to hate.
NOPE.

Vince Flynn's Mitch Rapp returns in early 2012 with the best-selling thriller of the year.
Nope. It was released in November and, while it is a best seller, it's not the best-selling best seller.

In an astonishing year of sports surprises, the Cleveland Indians' rotation of Jimenez, Masterson, Tomlin, Carmona, and Lowe will lead the Tribe to the World Series the city has lacked since 1948. The Colt McCoy-led Browns will use draft picks Trent Richardson and Michael Floyd to make it to the team's first-ever Super Bowl, and Urban Meyer will open the greatest era in Ohio State football with a perfect season, back-to-back 21-point wins over Michigan, and a national championship. I don't give a crap.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-31 12:28:17 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: tenpoundsofcheese: you think he is getting tax hikes on people making more than 200k?

we will see.  I doubt it.

he will get his uncontrolled spending and by adding another several trillion to the debt an award for being the biggest spender.  Do you think he wants that too?

Well, the tax cuts will expire, he doesn't need congress to agree to raising them, they will go up automatically.

Maybe if the House could find some actual welfare queens they could propose some cuts.  Or they could just give up on the borrow and spend nonsense and admit that we need more revenue.

sure we need more revenue, but 0bama is spending $1T more a year than we have coming in where are you going to find $1T more of tax revenue every year?  His desire to raise taxes on people earning above 200k only was raising about 100B a year.


That's odd, the last time I read the constitution it was the congress that had the power to allocate money, not the president.  I guess they changed things recently.

1 Trillion is only 6.6% of GDP.  We could raise taxes that much and still be paying less than fully developed countries pay.  German taxes are about 40% GDP and ours are 26%.  We could raise them by 7% and still only pay 33%.


Or we could stop wasting money being the world police and paying handouts to oil companies instead of cutting important things like Social Security or Medicare.
 
2012-12-31 12:37:33 PM  

gilgigamesh: All I can say is at all costs avoid a GIS of the above highlighted words.


www.umusic.co.nz
 
2012-12-31 12:51:24 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I refuse to click -- do they still call him an "inexperienced community organizer" or have they finally admitted that as of 1/21/13 there will only be two people on earth with more experience as POTUS than Obama?


and one of them is a brain damaged pretzel eater.
 
2012-12-31 01:16:09 PM  

vpb: Or we could stop wasting money being the world police

I am okay with that.

and paying handouts to oil companies

I am okay with that.   It will mean higher prices at the pump, but people will adjust.

instead of cutting important things like Social Security

when was Social Security cut?  I am okay with not changing the rules by cutting via things such as means testing or raising the age for people who have already paid into the system

.
or Medicare.

 
2012-12-31 01:26:00 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: as of 1/21/13 there will only be two people on earth with more experience as POTUS than Obama?


That's in the future.  As of now, Jimmy Carter has more presidentin' experience than Fartbobng0, so suck on that libs.
 
2012-12-31 02:23:56 PM  

Some post-Presidential-speech comments:


Corker mostly took issue with proposals to use new revenues to pay for the sequester, saying such action was "absolutely unacceptable."

"I know the president has fun heckling Congress," he continued. "I think he lost probably numbers of votes with what he did. He didn't lose mine. I'm not that way. I'm going to look at the substance, but it's unfortunate that he doesn't spend as much time working on solving problems as he did with campaigns and pep rallies. I am very disappointed in what the president had to say."

Translation: NEED MOAR LUBE, PLEASE, SIR!

 
2012-12-31 02:27:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Shrew2u: I don't understand why our friend at NRO is taking a swipe at Obama.  McConnell, Boehner and Reid, sure.  Tear their collective asses out all you like - the ball is in their court until a bill is placed before the President.  The President has been pretty gosh darn clear about what he will and will not sign, other than that, he gets to have an opinion but he's not writing the playbook on this one.

By telling them what he will and will not sign, he is writing the playbook.


So is he getting everything he wants or not? You are saying both.
 
2012-12-31 02:27:28 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Presidebt B-Rock Fart Soetoro Bongo Allahu Akbar is the worst commander-in-chief since ever. He's a big meanie forcing Republicans to do things.


Like work?

Teddy Beckersted: Don't say that word dad... I'll do anything, just don't say that word

1.bp.blogspot.com

/best pic i could find of the scene
//highly doubt it's obscure
 
2012-12-31 02:27:41 PM  
"Inept. Like a fox!" - or at least patient and appropriately opportunistic (like who did not see this coming?)
 
2012-12-31 02:29:15 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: you think he is getting tax hikes on people making more than 200k?

we will see.  I doubt it.

he will get his uncontrolled spending and by adding another several trillion to the debt an award for being the biggest spender.  Do you think he wants that too?


I'm not sure what Obama wants right this second, but would you like me to call 911? You seem to be having a stroke.

/ the fark was that word salad supposed to mean?
 
2012-12-31 02:40:54 PM  

vernonFL: Obama has never had a real job. He's an empty suit. He's a community organizer. He can't even run a lemonade stand.


10/10 -- I completely believe that you mean this and I pray for mercy on your black black soul.

/to Cthulhu
 
2012-12-31 02:43:22 PM  

mrshowrules: JONAH GOLDBERG
A non-white male or a non-male white will be the Republican vice-presidential nominee.

The U.S. Senate will be split 50-50 between the parties.

The Occupy Wall Street movement will become an even more obvious joke and a major liability for Democrats, particularly when it grows violent at the political conventions. The MSM will pretend it was agnostic on the movement all along.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will publicly lose a major power struggle.

Iraq will degenerate to the point where the "Who lost Iraq?" debate will be a major liability for the White House.

After the elections, George Stephanopoulos will let it be known he'll stop hosting ABC's  This Week, making way for Jake Tapper.

Donald Trump will not run for president.

Joe Biden will eat an entire brick of cheese on C-SPAN. "This is a big f****** deal," he'll explain while chewing with his mouth open.

0 out of 6 on his serious predictions for 2012


WTF?!??!?

That reads like vintage Jeanne Dixon!
 
2012-12-31 02:51:22 PM  
Preener in Chief

At least they "ZOMG! RESPEK THE OFFIS OF PRESDINT!!!1"

Via Infinito: Isn't that like taking the espresso out of the latte?


Have you not seen this before? :)

Link

Damn... I forgot it was so many, I remembered it being just the one. (smh)

...and considering the line that people like tentonsofderp are pushing, it's hilarious that when you point out that Obama inherited that spending level, they bray "QUIT BLAMING BUSH!" forgetting the fact that somehow, Obama's predecessor was unable to cut spending either.

The GOP are now nothing but total goddamn bullshiat-spewing retards.
 
2012-12-31 02:58:25 PM  

RexTalionis: Donald Trump will not run for president. YAY, YOU GOT ONE RIGHT, JONAH!


Except Trump did run for President, for a very short, brief moment.
 
2012-12-31 02:59:01 PM  
How do I know the GOP is losing this hostage negotiation? Because they are like the car salesman who keep having to go back to his manager with a new deal. Every time they come back to the table, they grouse and complain, but the deal keeps getting better.

And they continue to come back to the table.
 
2012-12-31 02:59:55 PM  
We already re-elected him, so grousing isn't going to help any.
 
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