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2012-12-31 11:17:06 AM

computerguyUT: Sorry Farktards, celebratory gunfire has never been an american tradition, it's typically observed in bassackwards countries in the middle east.


Happened in St. Charles, Missouri when I was growing up there in the 70s. I can't say that it was a deeply-held tradition, per se, but it happened.
 
2012-12-31 11:17:07 AM
Not sure I want to live in a country where firing a gun into the air is acceptable, yet a urine balloon trebuchet gets shut down by the cops on the third try.

/no you may not steal that for your band name
 
2012-12-31 11:18:31 AM

cardex: I will never understand the special kind of stupid it takes to think firing a gun in a random direction is a good idea. It's one of the things like driving with your turn signal on that should have the death penalty with no appeal process for the good of evolution


Celebratory gunfire violates three of the Four Rules.

Violate one rule, and you may have an expensive and/or embarrassing misadventure.

Violate two of the rules, and you may upgrade misadventure to a disaster that can't be fixed with mere money. If you are lucky enough to avoid a stupid accident, anyone that sees you should tell you to pack up your guns and don't come back until you're not an asshole.

Violate three or four rules intentionally or negligently? You're not going to stop being an asshole any time soon. A person would reasonably think that you're immediate danger to anyone around you. Assuming you survive to see a judge, I'd support the due process of law to see that we don't have to put up with that again.

It's not a problem with guns. It's the loose nut on the trigger.
 
2012-12-31 11:21:09 AM

Diogenes: Her son, Diego, was hit by a stray bullet in front of their family's home in Tampa last year.

Apparently some gun owners have a problem with targeting "up".


Either that, or Tampa isn't the mecca of dead-still air as which it was sold in the brochures....
 
2012-12-31 11:22:41 AM

Mr. Right: Force being a function of mass and speed, does a bullet returning to earth have as much destructive power as one fired at a target?


The consensus answer among Mythbuster fans and self-appointed internet physicists (I'm both) is that a falling bullet or bullet fragment can move very fast indeed, certainly enough to hurt you in some way requiring medical attention, but that it wouldn't be moving fast enough to pierce the skull. Fracture it, maybe, if the bullet were heavy enough, but not break through to the brain.

The other problem is that bullets fired into the air must be very nearly vertical for this to be true. Observe this delightful clip art of a cowboy engaging in celebratory gunfire.

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He appears to be shooting his guns at approximately 50-60 degrees from the horizontal. Those bullets would retain considerable x-axis velocity as they dropped to the ground. For practical purposes, being hit by one of these bullets would be the almost as good as getting shot the old-fashioned way.
 
2012-12-31 11:22:49 AM

kombat_unit: Mr. Right: Celebratory shooting into the air is about as stupid a form of entertainment as exists. It does, however, raise a question in my mind that, hopefully, some Fark Physicist can answer.

If you fire a gun into the air, it leaves at muzzle velocity, whatever that is for your particular firearm. When it returns to earth, it probably achieves what I have heard referred to as terminal velocity. Force being a function of mass and speed, does a bullet returning to earth have as much destructive power as one fired at a target?

Short answer: no.


Thanks. When I was a young lad, we had an archery instructor who explained the dangers of shooting an arrow into the air and he allowed as how the arrow coming down was as dangerous as going up but arrows from the old recurved bows in the hands of 10 year olds don't exactly leave the bowstring at the same velocity as a bullet from a rifle. But we were given the safety lecture anyway.
 
2012-12-31 11:23:19 AM
Subby's news source failed to mention that celebratory gunfire is illegal. Link to a more useful news source: Link
 
2012-12-31 11:23:20 AM
I just noticed the article says the boy was hit by celebratory gunfire *last year*. Would it have been last year or this year?
 
2012-12-31 11:24:00 AM
The Tale of Genji was a hot one too.

/oldest school
 
2012-12-31 11:24:42 AM
Those pussies will be able to feel my Freedom from two neighborhoods away! YEEHAW!!!
 
2012-12-31 11:25:06 AM
you don't fire any weapon without knowing where the projectile is going and what it may hit.
 
2012-12-31 11:26:32 AM
I'd like to think that I live in a country where celebratory gunfire was a befuddling habit of foreigners in a foreign land. I'd like that, but it isn't true. I hear enough of it here in South Dumf*ckistan to make it clear that the South will never rise again.

In fact, that's how I knew that Fox News had called the election for the great usurper, as the loyal minions of that fine journalistic beacon took to the streets to fire away their butt-hurt that night. "Take these guns, I dares ya, Obamuh!"
 
2012-12-31 11:27:44 AM
This is what really farking stupid people think, i.e. the type that fire bullets in the air:
"Thought them bullets went off into space"
 
2012-12-31 11:30:58 AM

Ohlookabutterfly: Didnt the mythbusters determine that a coin dropped from the empire state building would barely leve a bruise if it hit your pointy little head, gun haters? Terminal velocity plus wind resistance and all that crap? Lets hear from some internet authority-on-everythings explain how stupid I am using a pantload of verbal smoke and mirrors.

/bet that "stray bullet" was fired from within 300m and at a tragectory much lower than 45deg


Yes, pretty much. If you fire a gun straight up into the air, the bullet will fall back down at terminal velocity. If it hits you in the head it will hurt, but it won't kill you. However, if you fire it off at an angle, even if you're pointing it pretty high up in the sky, it can skill maintain a ballistic trajectory and keep enough speed when to kill someone when it comes back down to the ground.
 
2012-12-31 11:31:28 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: You guys actually fire guns in the air at new year's? Ok. 1) Don't come to me again with that talk about responsible gun ownership, and 2) you guys and the Taliban, you deserve each other.

Seriously guys, firing guns for celebration purposes is barbaric.


Yes, it takes a special kind of stupid, but in my experience (California, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Illinois, New Jersey) it's much more common in Hispanic neighborhoods.

If a bullet goes straight up, it comes down relatively slowly, but even a slight angle off vertical and it doesn't.
 
2012-12-31 11:33:45 AM
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Don't fire your guns at flying saucers: you could trigger an interstellar war.
 
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2012-12-31 11:36:13 AM

You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Coming on a Bicycle: You guys actually fire guns in the air at new year's? Ok. 1) Don't come to me again with that talk about responsible gun ownership, and 2) you guys and the Taliban, you deserve each other.

Seriously guys, firing guns for celebration purposes is barbaric.

Your one of those idiots that doesn't know about these things called blanks aren't you?

I blast my Benelli with blanks every NYE and you know how many people get hurt? 0.

Fireworks kill and injure how many? Infinity billion.

Don't talk about responsible gun ownership if you dont know shiat about the subject in the first place.


Yes, that's why the kid was shot in the head.  Because of blanks.
 
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2012-12-31 11:37:25 AM

dofus: I call foul on using the Florida tag on this one.

A) It's no more likely that this happens in Florida than anywhere else
B) The article is about someone trying to do the right thing.


You don't live in Florida do you?  Certainly not near Tampa.
 
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2012-12-31 11:38:31 AM

Mr. Right: Celebratory shooting into the air is about as stupid a form of entertainment as exists. It does, however, raise a question in my mind that, hopefully, some Fark Physicist can answer.

If you fire a gun into the air, it leaves at muzzle velocity, whatever that is for your particular firearm. When it returns to earth, it probably achieves what I have heard referred to as terminal velocity. Force being a function of mass and speed, does a bullet returning to earth have as much destructive power as one fired at a target?


No, it's just barely enough to penetrate the skull generally.
 
2012-12-31 11:38:41 AM
Speaking of blanks, there're a couple of cheap sources of blanks in 7.62x54r...that'd be a fun celebratory hail o' gunfire!
 
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2012-12-31 11:39:22 AM

Diogenes: Her son, Diego, was hit by a stray bullet in front of their family's home in Tampa last year.

Apparently some gun owners have a problem with targeting "up".


Why?  Do you think it would go into orbit if it was aimed up?
 
2012-12-31 11:39:48 AM

dofus: Mr. Right: If you fire a gun into the air, it leaves at muzzle velocity, whatever that is for your particular firearm. When it returns to earth, it probably achieves what I have heard referred to as terminal velocity. Force being a function of mass and speed, does a bullet returning to earth have as much destructive power as one fired at a target?

Depends on the caliber to some extent but no. The trip up is determined by initial velocity (really fast) counteracted by air resistance and deceleration due to gravity. The trip down is determined by the acceleration due to gravity counteracted by the air resistance. 'Terminal velocity' is when the effect of acceleration is equal to the effect of the increase in air resistance.


Found this study the army did in the 20s about the issue
 
2012-12-31 11:41:07 AM
If you feel the need to fire bullets into the air to celebrate, fire them into your skull instead. At least it will lower the stupid in the gene pool.
 
2012-12-31 11:41:40 AM
brother-in-law is a roofing contractor in D.C. he sends me pictures, now and again, of bullets they find in built up roofs downtown. always makes me chuckle.

.45's, maybe because they're more easily found
 
2012-12-31 11:43:31 AM
I don't mind as long as they yell "YI-YI-YI-YI-YI" really loud to warn bystanders.
 
2012-12-31 11:45:21 AM
This thread is turning classic

Idiotic gun owners, bad physics, and second amendment masturbation
 
2012-12-31 11:46:15 AM
was listening to the radio recently, and the dj said, keep your guns at home and locked up this new years. i love you new orleans, but please don't let them drop bullets on my head.

/ plans on listening to Mingus' Oh Lord Don't Let Them Drop That Atomic Bomb On Me
 
2012-12-31 11:48:33 AM

natazha: Coming on a Bicycle: You guys actually fire guns in the air at new year's? Ok. 1) Don't come to me again with that talk about responsible gun ownership, and 2) you guys and the Taliban, you deserve each other.

Seriously guys, firing guns for celebration purposes is barbaric.

Yes, it takes a special kind of stupid, but in my experience (California, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Illinois, New Jersey) it's much more common in Hispanic neighborhoods.

If a bullet goes straight up, it comes down relatively slowly, but even a slight angle off vertical and it doesn't.


A girl died in Denver in 2008 because the guy was too drunk to fire straight up. Plus, it was a high-powered rifle. Travelled 300 yards, through a wall, and struck the girl.
 
2012-12-31 11:49:47 AM

radiumsoup: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Idiotic headline.

Seconded. One of the worst attempts at a straw man ever, and it's trollness is about as effective as my wife's attempts to get me to eat collared greens. I award it no points.


Alleyoop: Subby's news source failed to mention that celebratory gunfire is illegal. Link to a more useful news source: Link



Thirded. Guess Smitty likes firing his gun into the air.
 
2012-12-31 11:49:54 AM
Great. Now I have a "Blood, Sweat and Tears" earworm.

/"What goes up - must come down..."

//not a bad one, though
 
2012-12-31 11:54:45 AM
CSB

I used to work with a guy when he was a kid got shot in the ass on New Year's eve from a falling bullet. I'm sure if it was a few inches over it would've penetrated his skull. He used to show his x-ray of his ass showing the bullet.
 
2012-12-31 11:55:42 AM
Seems reasnable but only if it can emcompass upon the dimwits who ultimately devolve into teen-tards by ending the night's entertainment with a trip to the hospital ER for the sole purpose of extracting a bottle rocket from their orbital (or some other orifice) aquired during the annual beer pong/bottle rocket battle royale.
 
2012-12-31 11:56:15 AM
Don't the Military and/or police in the US fire off guns in celebration/honor/remembrance all the friggin time?

Or is that just movie/TV?
 
2012-12-31 11:59:46 AM

Big Dave: I thought we'd decided that dead kids are just a small price to pay for the pleasure gun owners get from their hobby/masturbatory fantasies.


Go back to your World of Warcraft- the adults are trying to maintain an intelligent conversation here.
 
2012-12-31 12:02:26 PM

Kiwimann: Ohlookabutterfly: Didnt the mythbusters determine that a coin dropped from the empire state building would barely leve a bruise if it hit your pointy little head, gun haters? Terminal velocity plus wind resistance and all that crap? Lets hear from some internet authority-on-everythings explain how stupid I am using a pantload of verbal smoke and mirrors.

/bet that "stray bullet" was fired from within 300m and at a tragectory much lower than 45deg

Please stop talking about the Mythbusters penny experiment.

Anyone with 3 operational brain cells should be able to understand that the aerodynamics of bullets are different from that of coins.


Agreed, but a bullet still has the potential to tumble in the air and once it has reached the peak of it's flight straight up and lost all kinetic energy it will only reach a speed that it's mass and aerodynamics will allow, certainly not enough to penetrate a skull. I'm not kidding. Understanding gravity is pretty simple even for a dummy like me.
 
2012-12-31 12:03:41 PM

liam76: fanbladesaresharp: cardex: I will never understand the special kind of stupid it takes to think firing a gun in a random direction is a good idea. It's one of the things like driving with your turn signal on that should have the death penalty with no appeal process for the good of evolution

By god you're right. Well set off M-80s instead.

I hope you aren't comparing the dangers of an M-80 with shooting randomly into the sky.


Are you really gonna go there? Are you truly prepared to back a dumbass statement like "more people get hit by random gunfire (in a non-wartime setting) than are injured playing with fireworks"? Our ER begs to differ.
 
2012-12-31 12:05:44 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Don't the Military and/or police in the US fire off guns in celebration/honor/remembrance all the friggin time?

Or is that just movie/TV?


Those are blanks they use in gun salutes. They don't fire off volleys of 7 to 21 .30-caliber rounds into the Arlington sky every 15 minutes!
 
2012-12-31 12:06:03 PM
nekom
I can confirm that it is common every new years in southwestern Pennsylvania as well. Only other time I heard it was the night bin laden bit the dust.


They don't call it Fayeetenam for nothing.
 
2012-12-31 12:08:44 PM
I like some celebatory gunfire on new years, but I do it proper - through a target into a backstop, anytime I'm shooting.

If you MUST fire into the air, use a shotgun loaded with the lightest birdshot you can find.
 
2012-12-31 12:09:10 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Don't the Military and/or police in the US fire off guns in celebration/honor/remembrance all the friggin time?

Or is that just movie/TV?


They usually fire blanks.
 
2012-12-31 12:09:21 PM

clowncar on fire: Big Dave: I thought we'd decided that dead kids are just a small price to pay for the pleasure gun owners get from their hobby/masturbatory fantasies.

Go back to your World of Warcraft- the adults are trying to maintain an intelligent conversation here.


Do you get a thrill from the danger associated with sodomizing a loaded 14 gauge shotgun? It must be quite a rush knowing that it could go off at any moment and blow off your "man" parts.
 
2012-12-31 12:11:35 PM
realityfreaks.tvmsnbcmedia.msn.com

Fark_Guy_Rob: Don't the Military and/or police in the US fire off guns in celebration/honor/remembrance all the friggin time?

Or is that just movie/TV?


You're thinking of The Mythbusters
 
2012-12-31 12:15:13 PM

computerguyUT: Sorry Farktards, celebratory gunfire has never been an american tradition, it's typically observed in bassackwards countries in the middle east.
Nice try though.


Zarquon's Flat Tire: nekom: gunsmack: Celebratory gunfire? Is that even a thing in this country?

/ oh, Florida

I can confirm that it is common every new years in southwestern Pennsylvania as well.  Only other time I heard it was the night bin laden bit the dust.

Last year in my old neighborhood I stopped counting at around 40 gunshots. I was kidding earlier, my gun will not be brought out tonight. It may be legal where I live, but still a very very stupid thing to do. No good berms or anything to stop a bunch of pellets in my yard.


So how do these posts combine. One says it isn't, one says it is.
 
2012-12-31 12:15:32 PM

titwrench: Big Dave: I thought we'd decided that dead kids are just a small price to pay for the pleasure gun owners get from their hobby/masturbatory fantasies.

Shut the fark up. You know damn well nobody thinks that and your idiotic comment only serves to show your stupidity to the world. Go fark yourself.


Looks like he caught you masturbating. Don't be embarrassed.
 
2012-12-31 12:16:58 PM

AxemRed: Ohlookabutterfly: Didnt the mythbusters determine that a coin dropped from the empire state building would barely leve a bruise if it hit your pointy little head, gun haters? Terminal velocity plus wind resistance and all that crap? Lets hear from some internet authority-on-everythings explain how stupid I am using a pantload of verbal smoke and mirrors.

/bet that "stray bullet" was fired from within 300m and at a tragectory much lower than 45deg

Yes, pretty much. If you fire a gun straight up into the air, the bullet will fall back down at terminal velocity. If it hits you in the head it will hurt, but it won't kill you. However, if you fire it off at an angle, even if you're pointing it pretty high up in the sky, it can skill maintain a ballistic trajectory and keep enough speed when to kill someone when it comes back down to the ground.


Well said, thank you.
 
2012-12-31 12:17:05 PM

gunsmack: Celebratory gunfire? Is that even a thing in this country?

/ oh, Florida


It is in New Orleans.  You can definitely hear it, and every few years, someone ends up with a wound from a falling bullet.  Locals always advise visitors to be inside when the clock hits midnight.
 
2012-12-31 12:23:02 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Hey, I live in the country now. Maybe I can give the double barrel a run out at midnight!


Hey, at least a shotgun is a more or less "safe" gun to fire at the sky. Unless you're firing slugs or heavy shot, it's just a spray of little BB's coming to Earth. With a bullet, that thing is screaming by the time it hits the ground, and due to the fact that it's coming from above, there's a high percentage chance that it's going to hit the head, since from above, it's probably at least 40% of the available area.
 
2012-12-31 12:24:00 PM

Diogenes: Her son, Diego, was hit by a stray bullet in front of their family's home in Tampa last year.

Apparently some gun owners have a problem with targeting "up".


OH, they target "up" quite well, there's this new saying going around though: 'What goes up, must come down.'. It's how these almost all become head injuries.
 
2012-12-31 12:25:56 PM

WhippingBoy: Do you get a thrill from the danger associated with sodomizing a loaded 14 gauge shotgun? It must be quite a rush knowing that it could go off at any moment and blow off your "man" parts.


I'm sure there's a clinical term used to describe people who insist on assigning sexualization fantasies to someone who they don't agree with instead of participating in reasoned discourse, but I am not a psychologist and therefore don't have the requisite vocabulary, so I'll use the vernacular term: asshat.
 
2012-12-31 12:27:09 PM

natazha: Coming on a Bicycle: You guys actually fire guns in the air at new year's? Ok. 1) Don't come to me again with that talk about responsible gun ownership, and 2) you guys and the Taliban, you deserve each other.

Seriously guys, firing guns for celebration purposes is barbaric.

Yes, it takes a special kind of stupid, but in my experience (California, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Illinois, New Jersey) it's much more common in Hispanic neighborhoods.


This has been my experience as well. Perhaps this was the elusive "joke" that subby was attempting to pull off with his weak trolltastic headline.
 
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