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(Huffington Post)   As more and more young people question the value of going $150,000 in debt so they can get a job as a Starbuck's barista, America's small liberal-arts colleges face a struggle for survival   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 247
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2012-12-31 01:02:18 PM
My heart bleeds
 
2012-12-31 01:02:43 PM
College? I never went to college....just graduated from high school, and filled out an application and here I am, making your Venti Mocha

cdn2.holytaco.com
 
2012-12-31 01:03:21 PM
Starbuck's

ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-12-31 01:04:08 PM
Going to community college and paying $36/credit for a liberal arts education is much more efficient than going to Haverford and spending $60,000 per year unless you're using it as a springboard to grad school. That is really the only valid reason to attend a prestigious liberal arts college these days.
 
2012-12-31 01:04:11 PM
Forced to evolve with the market?  Does this mean that I only needed to wait a few years in order to actually GET a barista degree, instead of just pretending that the one I have is it?

/didn't go into debt for it either
//pell grants and financial aid FTW
 
2012-12-31 01:04:50 PM
Not surprised the entire collegiate system in the US needs an overhaul to cut waste and bring down the cost of tuition and books, the prices for those are just plain unacceptable.

At the very least make all student loan debt dis-chargeable in bankruptcy after 10 years post college.
 
2012-12-31 01:05:56 PM
The girl here at work wants to go back to school to finish her degree in dance and public speaking. She was faxing paperwork from my desk to someone, it was how much she owed in loans already......WOW, she is getting hosed.
 
2012-12-31 01:06:31 PM
If you are paying for an education and have internet access, you are doing it wrong.
 
2012-12-31 01:06:51 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-31 01:07:02 PM
No, I don't know a Fawn Libowitz, but here are your two tall cafe lattes...

blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com
 
2012-12-31 01:07:17 PM

groppet: dance and public speaking.........WOW, she is getting hosed


Well, dancers are notorious Hose Beasts.
 
2012-12-31 01:07:32 PM
A lot of talk about redefining who they are, but not much about these colleges reducing the cost of their degree programs. Isn't that what a capitalist market should demand?
 
2012-12-31 01:08:06 PM
steklo : I always wondered what happened to Natasha Stillwell.
 
2012-12-31 01:08:57 PM
More and more I question the value of college. I was fed the "Go to college, get an education, make more money." I did that, found that you can make more money not going into college and instead, going into sales or starting your own business. If you have a calling and a burning desire to become a lawyer, doctor, scientist or engineer, then college definitely. If not, them the debt isn't worth it.
 
2012-12-31 01:09:00 PM
The Student Loan Scam: Creating a generation of indentured servants for the pleasure of our Corporate Overlords.
 
TWX
2012-12-31 01:09:13 PM
Blame the lack of value as perceived by the public at large coupled with the rise of "business school".

Classical education used to help broaden the minds of those who graduated from it. Those people would go on to be civic leaders and their broadened worldview and knowledge outside of the provincial education they otherwise would have been limited by would help them to be better civic leaders, politicians, and yes, bureaucrats. We now elect those with lesser educations tailored toward understanding one's fellow man, which is evident in political discourse these days.

I see business school as primarily a way to give degrees to people who abhor the concept of the classical liberal arts education that used to produce industry management and businessmen. Those business school graduates often think they know what's best for everyone even though they really don't have much experience with other facets of life and really don't know how others live or how to really make improvements, as their education was too narrow, too tailored.

People like to claim that Bachelor of Science degrees don't prepare graduates with a well-enough-rounded education, but that seems to be a much wider problem.
 
2012-12-31 01:10:11 PM
Oh, it's this schtick again.

/Liberal Arts Major.
//Gainfully Employed
 
2012-12-31 01:10:12 PM

LiberalZombie: A lot of talk about redefining who they are, but not much about these colleges reducing the cost of their degree programs. Isn't that what a capitalist market should demand?


But dude, then how could the campus cafe afford to give away the free certified organic soy vegan gluten free nutrition experience?
 
2012-12-31 01:10:13 PM
I don't get a kick out of people being unemployed, but as someone with a degree from a small liberal arts college and a job...
 
2012-12-31 01:11:06 PM

letrole: [i.qkme.me image 400x600]


Looks like the typical Johnston State Co-Ed here in Vermont. Got kicked out of a more prestigious school for doing too much acid and such, then mommy and daddy buy her a jeep and a year long ski pass and tuition at JSC, with a lease on an apartment in town, so she can have her privacy while throwing wild parties and farking 57 year old men she met on Alt dot com. (hey, firsthand knowledge) Yep,
 
2012-12-31 01:11:09 PM
Who spends 150k on an education that doesn't end with medical school or the bar exam?
 
2012-12-31 01:11:25 PM

vudukungfu: If you are paying for an education and have internet access, you are doing it wrong.



They're not paying for an "education", they're paying for an "official piece of paper" that says they jumped through hoops.
 
2012-12-31 01:11:34 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2012-12-31 01:12:17 PM
Perhaps, underwater basket weaving does not have nearly the marketability that your faculty advisor intimated that it had.

/ $200,000 for a photography degree at a NYU is just 'tardy
 
2012-12-31 01:12:24 PM

steklo: College? I never went to college....just graduated from high school, and filled out an application and here I am, making your Venti Mocha

[cdn2.holytaco.com image 300x199]


....That was 15 years ago and I'm still here. I've just applied for a senior barista position though. It's a lot better, financially - an extra 50c an hour. I hope I get it!
 
2012-12-31 01:12:35 PM

bhcompy: Going to community college and paying $36/credit for a liberal arts education is much more efficient than going to Haverford and spending $60,000 per year unless you're using it as a springboard to grad school. That is really the only valid reason to attend a prestigious liberal arts college these days.


What is really funny is to watch the Ivory Tower folks get schooled by a bunch of grubby hayseeds from the middle of flyover country.

/Though, in all fairness, many of the Harvard Grads don't need a job in the first place.
 
2012-12-31 01:12:52 PM
One day, I won't just be working here. I'll own the place and install a stripping pole.
gothamist.com
 
2012-12-31 01:13:51 PM

TWX:
I see business school as primarily a way to give degrees to people who abhor the concept of the classical liberal arts education that used to produce industry management and businessmen. Those business school graduates often think they know what's best for everyone even though they really don't have much experience with other facets of life and really don't know how others live or how to really make improvements, as their education was too narrow, too tailored.


THIS!!!

I never found such one-dimensional people as when dealing with people in business school. If it wasn't in a book, or something they encountered before, they didn't know how to deal with it.
 
2012-12-31 01:13:57 PM
Without the education I received at Faber, I never would have made it where I am today - wherever that is.

D-Day
 
2012-12-31 01:14:12 PM
Is this the thread where the IT monkeys with their CS Degrees and crappy jobs go and mock people who have the types of degrees that their bosses do?
 
2012-12-31 01:14:59 PM
At least I got a decent scholarship to go to my small, mid-western liberal arts college. And at least I got a degree that said I actually majored in something.
 
2012-12-31 01:15:54 PM
Imagine when they find out they can take that $150k and start up their own venture (maybe even a Bucks franchise) skip the 4 years of drinking and whoring and get right down the business of working for a living...
 
2012-12-31 01:17:08 PM
As more and more young people question the value of going $150,000 in debt so they can get a job as a Starbuck's barista
Till his point thought you were talking about Boob jobs.
Much better investment.
IMO
 
2012-12-31 01:17:16 PM

Amos Quito: vudukungfu: If you are paying for an education and have internet access, you are doing it wrong.


They're not paying for an "education", they're paying for an "official piece of paper" that says they jumped through hoops.


It's a piece of paper that says "I'm trainable" and "I can show up somewhere consistently." That's about it for an undergrad degree, but for most entry level jobs that's about all an employer really needs to know. After entry level, your career experience speaks a lot louder than your degree.

Obviously, exceptions do apply.
 
2012-12-31 01:17:30 PM

TWX: Blame the lack of value as perceived by the public at large coupled with the rise of "business school".

Classical education used to help broaden the minds of those who graduated from it. Those people would go on to be civic leaders and their broadened worldview and knowledge outside of the provincial education they otherwise would have been limited by would help them to be better civic leaders, politicians, and yes, bureaucrats. We now elect those with lesser educations tailored toward understanding one's fellow man, which is evident in political discourse these days.

I see business school as primarily a way to give degrees to people who abhor the concept of the classical liberal arts education that used to produce industry management and businessmen. Those business school graduates often think they know what's best for everyone even though they really don't have much experience with other facets of life and really don't know how others live or how to really make improvements, as their education was too narrow, too tailored.

People like to claim that Bachelor of Science degrees don't prepare graduates with a well-enough-rounded education, but that seems to be a much wider problem.


I don't know where you copy-pasted that from, but it's a good point and bears repeating.
 
2012-12-31 01:17:35 PM
What? Sure, I'll meet you out back by the dumbster for a little cream swapping!

j-walk.com
 
2012-12-31 01:17:42 PM

Great Janitor: More and more I question the value of college. I was fed the "Go to college, get an education, make more money." I did that, found that you can make more money not going into college and instead, going into sales or starting your own business. If you have a calling and a burning desire to become a lawyer, doctor, scientist or engineer, then college definitely. If not, them the debt isn't worth it.


Sales has never really required a degree. You just have to be a salesman. I have learned that I am not. It seems to be one of those things that is innate in people and then grows with better with the good ones.
 
2012-12-31 01:17:48 PM

Amos Quito: The Student Loan Scam: Creating a generation of indentured servants for the pleasure of our Corporate Overlords.


Sadly, that's absolutely true. What makes student loans even worse is that they are not discharged in a bankruptcy (I do understand the reason for this but there needs to be exceptions). Even worse than that is, depending on your laon servicer, the debt from your loans is passed on if you die, making your next of kin a slave too.

The higher education system in this country desperately needs to be completely overhauled. Student loans and financial aid, text book prices, public institutions essentially functioning as for profit entities. It all needs to be fixed and very farking soon.

/Still paying student loans.
//Barely employed at the moment.
///But apparently the recession is over...
 
2012-12-31 01:18:29 PM

monoski: Imagine when they find out they can take that $150k and start up their own venture (maybe even a Bucks franchise) skip the 4 years of drinking and whoring and get right down the business of working for a living...


Because most 17-19 year olds who jump into starting a business are going to succeed...
 
2012-12-31 01:18:48 PM
The trick is to go to the small liberal arts college, but major in something useful like math. That way you are employable immediately, but you're also well-rounded enough, and can think well enough to progress.
 
2012-12-31 01:19:19 PM
I contemplated racking up the debt, getting a degree in electrical engineering, and then leaving the country. While I'm sure my ass would be handed to me if I tried to reenter I'd like to think US creditors can only go so far in legally harassing you outside of the country. Canada might have something but I doubt Australia or England would be terribly happy working with American creditors.

All that aside, my parents cosigned a loan I have and I couldn't saddle them with debt. I was even talking to my mom about it and her response was something along the lines of "it isn't that much debt". She's right, it isn't. But it's my debt and not my parents debt. I racked it up and it is my responsibility to either pay it back or deal with the consequences. If I leave the country the consequences will be theirs to deal with and that isn't fair to them.

/at least EE is a useful degree
 
2012-12-31 01:19:26 PM
lilplatinum:
Is this the thread where the IT monkeys with their CS Degrees and crappy jobs go and mock people who have the types of degrees that their bosses do?


No. This is the thread where those with liberal arts degrees make half-hearted attempts to justify taking the long way round to an exciting career of part-time clerical work.
 
2012-12-31 01:20:34 PM
Since that hasn't happened in here, I'm going to say "no".
 
2012-12-31 01:21:17 PM
On the team of our current NSF project, 5 of the 7 team members are graduates of small liberal arts colleges , so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2012-12-31 01:21:37 PM

letrole: lilplatinum:
Is this the thread where the IT monkeys with their CS Degrees and crappy jobs go and mock people who have the types of degrees that their bosses do?


No. This is the thread where those with liberal arts degrees make half-hearted attempts to justify taking the long way round to an exciting career of part-time clerical work.


Hey fix my computer, monkey, I have to go get loaded at lunch because I can.
 
2012-12-31 01:21:38 PM

lilplatinum: Is this the thread where the IT monkeys with their CS Degrees and crappy jobs go and mock people who have the types of degrees that their bosses do?


The Entertainment tab has threads where bosses are people who have liberal arts degrees. Real life, not so much.
 
2012-12-31 01:22:03 PM
The market is flooded with "for profit" colleges like University of Phoenix. The government makes it extremely easy for people to get loans for tens of thousands of dollars. Those loans cannot be wiped out by bankruptcy.

Ya think colleges are predatory? Ya think some good schools get squeezed out by the for profit ones?

Community college for the win. Get your general ed. stuff out of the way. Spend a couple years figuring out what you really want your major to be. Then coordinate with where you want to get your four-year degree from and determine what you can transfer.
 
2012-12-31 01:22:21 PM

Amos Quito: vudukungfu: If you are paying for an education and have internet access, you are doing it wrong.


They're not paying for an "education", they're paying for an "official piece of paper" that says they jumped through hoops.


This is largely true. Sadly, it often takes that "official piece of paper" before a prospective employer will even consider you.
 
2012-12-31 01:22:41 PM

Amos Quito: The Student Loan Scam: Creating a generation of indentured servants for the pleasure of our Corporate Overlords.


That's it and that's all, really. It's almost like the War on Drugs, so many entities are massively profiting from the system that it will take a serious, radical act for it to be changed.
 
2012-12-31 01:23:20 PM

sand_in_my_vagoo: Even worse than that is, depending on your laon servicer, the debt from your loans is passed on if you die, making your next of kin a slave too.


YMMV, but my wife and I just went through this when her father died. In NY State you can't inherit debt.
 
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