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(Tampa Bay Online)   Under new law, it may or may not be legal to flash your headlights to warn drivers about speed traps   (www2.tbo.com) divider line 33
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2012-12-31 11:54:26 AM
10 votes:

diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.


Which is, of course, stupid. If you saw some guy about to break into a house and told him, "Dude, don't break into that house! You are breaking the law and those cops over there will catch you," are you obstructing justice?

Of course not.

What they should REALLY call this is "Obstruction of Revenue."
2012-12-31 11:53:03 AM
4 votes:
Florida is the state that brought us the legal decision that flashing your lights is a form of speech, and thus protected. So your lawyer has precedence at your trial, if you want to fight the ticket.

This is one of those "interfering with police" matters that doesn't completely bother me; after all the stated goal of speed traps is "safety" and if people slow down before they get to the trap, then ostensibly the goal is reached. The only difference is revenue. I just don't really speed, so it rarely affects me.
2012-12-31 11:45:36 AM
3 votes:
It's not just for speed trap warnings. I warn them to slow down because of potential hazardous conditions -like when there is an accident around the bend....
2012-12-31 09:45:59 AM
3 votes:
I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.
2012-12-31 01:54:15 PM
2 votes:

APE992: California made speed traps and speed trap evidence illegal so the cops tend to be visible from the road. Thing is in my hometown they're visibility usually extends to your ability to see them long enough for them to get a radar gun reading. My understanding is that they have to be on level ground to get a decent reading from a radar gun. Most of the time I see them trolling for tickets they're parked on a grade.

People probably don't bother to contest them enough. If everyone who ever got a speeding ticket did they'd have to start using evidence that is rock solid.


According to my BiL(who is a cop), some of the radar guns are more sophisticated than others. The one in his car is mounted and can get readings from infront and behind the car without him having to mess with it. The better ones they use are accurate to the point where it can single a vehicle out even if there's a lot of traffic. I didn't think to ask about grades because he works in a flatland, but it sounds weird that it would have an issue with it.
2012-12-31 12:12:38 PM
2 votes:
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Flash those puppies!
2012-12-31 11:53:18 AM
2 votes:

astouffer: assjuice: Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.

Wonder what he does for a living.


Troll it seems.
2012-12-31 11:53:14 AM
2 votes:

kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.


Ditto.

I flash my lights all the time when the asshole in the oncoming traffic has his high beams on, though. Or those farking painful blue headlights that destroy the vision of anybody who looks at them (blinding everyone else: great way to increase safety, jackass) because they're indistinguishable from high beams when you're trying to squint through them to see the road.

And I only flash my lights at them because shooting them out with a pellet gun is illegal (but would make the road safer for everyone else).
2012-12-31 11:49:48 AM
2 votes:

assjuice: Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.


Wonder what he does for a living.
2013-01-01 11:56:18 AM
1 votes:
I think it should be legal. It's an expression of free speech about how one feels about speed traps.

Whether or not I'll do it depends on how strict the local cops are. In my area (Sevier County Tennessee), the city, county and state cops are very lenient. You have to be at least 10mph over the limit, minimum, to get pulled over. One of my relatives was ticketed for 42 in a 20 and one of the officers said to her "We wouldn't have pulled you over if you weren't over 39." I regularly go 10 over the limit right in front of cops and they don't bother me. So around here, I never flash my lights to warn other drivers of a speed trap because if they're going fast enough to get a ticket, they very likely deserve it.
2012-12-31 02:34:46 PM
1 votes:

jmayson: When I lived in Florida I was listening to talk radio one day and this issue came up. A state trooper called in to clarify. It's not illegal to warn other drivers or anything. It is illegal to operate a motor vehicle with flashing lights and that's what they're actually ticketing you for.


Wouldn't turn signals be considered flashing lights then?
2012-12-31 02:08:42 PM
1 votes:
Oh son of a biatch. Wrong thread.

/slinks off into the darkness
2012-12-31 02:07:42 PM
1 votes:
I thought coffee and beer sounded like the most hideously disgusting unholy combination of drinks on the planet...until I tried this:

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2012-12-31 01:19:07 PM
1 votes:

Crewmannumber6: I always assumed it was illegal, but I do it anyway because fark em



I like the cut of your jib.
2012-12-31 01:14:29 PM
1 votes:
I always assumed it was illegal, but I do it anyway because fark em
2012-12-31 01:06:12 PM
1 votes:
I hate this bullshiat. If the cops set traps, citizens should be allowed to tip each other off.
2012-12-31 12:28:25 PM
1 votes:

priapic_abandon: My BIL is a cop and he says he's fine with that. It extends the road distance that drivers are aware that the fuzz are doing speed suppression patrols which means more people do the speed limit. On the other hand, some towns count on the ticket revenue.


I never understood how ticket revenue isn't considered a conflict of interest. The police department shouldn't get that money. It should go towards infrastructure repairs or something.
2012-12-31 12:24:11 PM
1 votes:
My BIL is a cop and he says he's fine with that. It extends the road distance that drivers are aware that the fuzz are doing speed suppression patrols which means more people do the speed limit. On the other hand, some towns count on the ticket revenue.
2012-12-31 12:19:18 PM
1 votes:

over_and_done: kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.

Ditto.

I flash my lights all the time when the asshole in the oncoming traffic has his high beams on, though. Or those farking painful blue headlights that destroy the vision of anybody who looks at them (blinding everyone else: great way to increase safety, jackass) because they're indistinguishable from high beams when you're trying to squint through them to see the road.

And I only flash my lights at them because shooting them out with a pellet gun is illegal (but would make the road safer for everyone else).


The problem isnt usually with the color of the lights, its the fact that a lot of these are aftermarket installations by people who don't know how to aim their headlights. HID lighting isn't anymore blinding per se, but I do think people get distracted by them because they look different. To me lifted trucks are worse, they already have brighter lights than cars normally do and they never re-aim them after they install their "never to be utilized for anything other than looking cool" lift kits.
2012-12-31 12:18:53 PM
1 votes:
Every-time someone flashes their headlights at me I flash my lights back at them, pull out my '9' and get ready to return fire.
2012-12-31 12:16:09 PM
1 votes:

assjuice: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Just say you thought you saw a deer and were warning drivers of it.

Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.


Depends on where you live. In several states, it's considered to be a First Amendment thing.

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2012-12-31 12:15:41 PM
1 votes:

Cymbal: kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.

Maybe in a school zone or residential area I can see your point.

On a highway is another matter.

Most highway speed limits have been set absurdly low for the sole purpose of generating revenue.


I don't bother with residential areas, like you said. On the highway, I hate how traffic police snarl traffic with just their presence. I'm a pokey driver, and rarely do I reach the speed limit, let alone break it (don't worry, I stay to the right), but cars will slow down to speeds BELOW mine when they see a cop, and that alone is dangerous.

I'd rather just see people cruise along, if the road isn't curvy, and the person isn't swerving between lanes, it takes a lot for a speed to be excessive.
2012-12-31 12:14:58 PM
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.


Au contraire. Handing out tickets is the primary function for many police forces.
2012-12-31 12:09:55 PM
1 votes:

oakleym82: I've done this, sometimes I even get a flash in response. I've also used Waze to warn others of speed traps. I've never been sure if this was legal in VA.

CSB
Just this past week I was driving through Clifton, VA during that storm and, as usual, Burke Lake Rd. was flooded and closed. Drivers who had already made their u-turn were flashing me to warn me of the impending doom, but since I was driving a lifted jeep my buddies and I have been working on as a side project, I just assumed they were pissed because my lights were right in their faces and kept going until *splash*.


I just drove from Louisville to Tampa and back. Waze was invaluable, especially in Georgia.
2012-12-31 12:07:27 PM
1 votes:
I'd just like to take an opportunity to let everyone know that they are not supposed to drive around with their high beams on.

If you can see this:
dashboardsymbols.com
and another car you are breaking the law and blinding other drivers.

...since apparently every 20th driver in Northern Virginia doesn't seem aware of this.
2012-12-31 12:07:25 PM
1 votes:

kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.


Maybe in a school zone or residential area I can see your point.

On a highway is another matter.

Most highway speed limits have been set absurdly low for the sole purpose of generating revenue.
2012-12-31 12:05:50 PM
1 votes:
Also from the article
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2012-12-31 11:49:58 AM
1 votes:
We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.
2012-12-31 11:48:56 AM
1 votes:
Did someone say headlights?

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2012-12-31 11:48:24 AM
1 votes:
I always thought the cops started spreading rumors that gang bangers would shoot you if you flashed your lights at them. Nothing like fear to keep the people in line!
2012-12-31 11:48:01 AM
1 votes:
Cops hate it when you warn the low hanging fruit
2012-12-31 11:46:13 AM
1 votes:

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Well, I misplaced a quotation mark there, didn't I?


unless your mother narrates her actions, then yes. I got it though.
2012-12-31 11:11:20 AM
1 votes:

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Just say you thought you saw a deer and were warning drivers of it.


Or chupacabra...both will be equally credible to the officer.
 
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