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2012-12-31 08:41:30 AM
dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.
 
2012-12-31 09:09:09 AM
Just say you thought you saw a deer and were warning drivers of it.
 
2012-12-31 09:45:59 AM
I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.
 
2012-12-31 10:38:16 AM
I didn't read the article, but I got a huge ticket for that back in the day.

Just saying.
 
2012-12-31 10:45:52 AM
But is it still legal to hang a disco ball from the headliner?
 
2012-12-31 10:48:17 AM
There's several apps for that.
 
2012-12-31 10:48:58 AM

SnarfVader: There's are several apps for that.


FTFM
 
2012-12-31 10:52:19 AM
First time someone did that to me I didn't even see them. I was riding over Rock Eagle with my mom in the car and she said "Why did that car flash it's lights at us? Are your lights on?" I checked my lights and immediately said "It means COP!" Sure enough, 15 second later a HP was on the side of the road.

My mom asked how I knew that meant and when I replied I just did she muttered "Must be a penis thing and looked down at her book."
 
2012-12-31 11:11:20 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Just say you thought you saw a deer and were warning drivers of it.


Or chupacabra...both will be equally credible to the officer.
 
2012-12-31 11:11:29 AM
Amendment FTW.?
 
2012-12-31 11:14:36 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: First time someone did that to me I didn't even see them. I was riding over Rock Eagle with my mom in the car and she said "Why did that car flash it's lights at us? Are your lights on?" I checked my lights and immediately said "It means COP!" Sure enough, 15 second later a HP was on the side of the road.

My mom asked how I knew that meant and when I replied I just did she muttered "Must be a penis thing and looked down at her book."


Those printers never signal turns
 
2012-12-31 11:24:19 AM
Well, I misplaced a quotation mark there, didn't I?
 
2012-12-31 11:45:36 AM
It's not just for speed trap warnings. I warn them to slow down because of potential hazardous conditions -like when there is an accident around the bend....
 
2012-12-31 11:46:13 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Well, I misplaced a quotation mark there, didn't I?


unless your mother narrates her actions, then yes. I got it though.
 
2012-12-31 11:46:44 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Just say you thought you saw a deer and were warning drivers of it.


Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.
 
2012-12-31 11:48:01 AM
Cops hate it when you warn the low hanging fruit
 
2012-12-31 11:48:24 AM
I always thought the cops started spreading rumors that gang bangers would shoot you if you flashed your lights at them. Nothing like fear to keep the people in line!
 
2012-12-31 11:48:56 AM
Did someone say headlights?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-31 11:49:26 AM
I haven't seen the flashing lights warning in years.
 
2012-12-31 11:49:48 AM

assjuice: Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.


Wonder what he does for a living.
 
2012-12-31 11:49:58 AM
We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.
 
2012-12-31 11:50:51 AM
I've done this, sometimes I even get a flash in response. I've also used Waze to warn others of speed traps. I've never been sure if this was legal in VA.

CSB
Just this past week I was driving through Clifton, VA during that storm and, as usual, Burke Lake Rd. was flooded and closed. Drivers who had already made their u-turn were flashing me to warn me of the impending doom, but since I was driving a lifted jeep my buddies and I have been working on as a side project, I just assumed they were pissed because my lights were right in their faces and kept going until *splash*.
 
2012-12-31 11:53:03 AM
Florida is the state that brought us the legal decision that flashing your lights is a form of speech, and thus protected. So your lawyer has precedence at your trial, if you want to fight the ticket.

This is one of those "interfering with police" matters that doesn't completely bother me; after all the stated goal of speed traps is "safety" and if people slow down before they get to the trap, then ostensibly the goal is reached. The only difference is revenue. I just don't really speed, so it rarely affects me.
 
2012-12-31 11:53:14 AM

kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.


Ditto.

I flash my lights all the time when the asshole in the oncoming traffic has his high beams on, though. Or those farking painful blue headlights that destroy the vision of anybody who looks at them (blinding everyone else: great way to increase safety, jackass) because they're indistinguishable from high beams when you're trying to squint through them to see the road.

And I only flash my lights at them because shooting them out with a pellet gun is illegal (but would make the road safer for everyone else).
 
2012-12-31 11:53:18 AM

astouffer: assjuice: Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.

Wonder what he does for a living.


Troll it seems.
 
2012-12-31 11:54:26 AM

diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.


Which is, of course, stupid. If you saw some guy about to break into a house and told him, "Dude, don't break into that house! You are breaking the law and those cops over there will catch you," are you obstructing justice?

Of course not.

What they should REALLY call this is "Obstruction of Revenue."
 
2012-12-31 11:59:19 AM

Flakeloaf: We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.


That is adorable... You act like cops aren't just revenue generators for most cities.
 
2012-12-31 12:00:02 PM

diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.


In Texas, the law about interferring with a public official EXPLICITLY EXCLUDES warning others about officers enforcing "the rules of the road."
You could stand out there with a big sign that says Speed Trap Ahead! and that is perfectly legal... even without invoking the First Amendment.
 
2012-12-31 12:01:47 PM
Dude, you didn't see that cat in the road? I thought I was going to hit it.
 
2012-12-31 12:02:32 PM

TheWhoppah: diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.

In Texas, the law about interferring with a public official EXPLICITLY EXCLUDES warning others about officers enforcing "the rules of the road."
You could stand out there with a big sign that says Speed Trap Ahead! and that is perfectly legal... even without invoking the First Amendment.


The only time someone is going to flash their brights here in Texas is if you are either going too slow and not moving out of the lane or to remind you your headlights aren't on. I have never seen anyone do anything other than that.
 
2012-12-31 12:02:49 PM

shoegaze99: What they should REALLY call this is "Obstruction of Revenue."

 
2012-12-31 12:03:33 PM
During the day it is not illegal. If you use your highbeams at night to do it, yes, that is a violation but it doesn't have anything to do with the warning but rather the safety of the other driver.
 
2012-12-31 12:05:34 PM

diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.


Kind of strange that it's "obstruction" to suggest to people that they don't break the law in the first place. It's not about obstruction of justice, but obstruction of ticket money collection.
 
2012-12-31 12:05:50 PM
Also from the article
The Florida Safe Harbor Act is designed to protect and provide shelter for sexually exploited children
How the hell are they gonna get a hold of a boat?
 
2012-12-31 12:07:15 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: I didn't read the article, but I got a huge ticket for that back in the day.

Just saying.


I'm curious... was there a second cop pointed the other direction down the road to see you flash the lights?

How exactly were you caught? I assume the cop was behind you by the time you reached the person you were warning, right?
 
2012-12-31 12:07:24 PM

shoegaze99: diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.

Which is, of course, stupid. If you saw some guy about to break into a house and told him, "Dude, don't break into that house! You are breaking the law and those cops over there will catch you," are you obstructing justice?

Of course not.

What they should REALLY call this is "Obstruction of Revenue."


I really can't see how this isn't a 1st Amendment issue. If I want to tell someone about a speed trap, I should be able to say it all i farking want. As someone said up thread, if the goal is slowing down speeders for safety, then that was accomplished...no?
 
2012-12-31 12:07:25 PM

kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.


Maybe in a school zone or residential area I can see your point.

On a highway is another matter.

Most highway speed limits have been set absurdly low for the sole purpose of generating revenue.
 
2012-12-31 12:07:27 PM
I'd just like to take an opportunity to let everyone know that they are not supposed to drive around with their high beams on.

If you can see this:
dashboardsymbols.com
and another car you are breaking the law and blinding other drivers.

...since apparently every 20th driver in Northern Virginia doesn't seem aware of this.
 
2012-12-31 12:08:23 PM

machoprogrammer: Flakeloaf: We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.

That is adorable... You act like cops aren't just revenue generators for most cities.


I wasn't.
 
2012-12-31 12:08:50 PM

diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.


Apparently some guy got a ticket for flashing lights, he sued as the intent of the flashing lights law was to ban strobe/emergency lights for non emergency use. New law is intended to clarify existing law as related to lawsuit stating you can flash high-beams for any reason. Other ways flashing can be banned such as "obstruction of justice" still up in air.
 
2012-12-31 12:09:19 PM
Bureucraps
 
2012-12-31 12:09:55 PM

oakleym82: I've done this, sometimes I even get a flash in response. I've also used Waze to warn others of speed traps. I've never been sure if this was legal in VA.

CSB
Just this past week I was driving through Clifton, VA during that storm and, as usual, Burke Lake Rd. was flooded and closed. Drivers who had already made their u-turn were flashing me to warn me of the impending doom, but since I was driving a lifted jeep my buddies and I have been working on as a side project, I just assumed they were pissed because my lights were right in their faces and kept going until *splash*.


I just drove from Louisville to Tampa and back. Waze was invaluable, especially in Georgia.
 
2012-12-31 12:11:45 PM
I flash my headlights to warn people of potential hazards ahead.

Typically you will see cars slam on their brakes whenever they see a police officer. It is important to warn cars that the traffic patterns may be different further down the road.

It's for safety.
 
2012-12-31 12:12:38 PM
www.asdlabs.com

Flash those puppies!
 
2012-12-31 12:14:01 PM
Since it's Florida, flashing turn signals don't count.
 
2012-12-31 12:14:58 PM

Flakeloaf: We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.


Au contraire. Handing out tickets is the primary function for many police forces.
 
2012-12-31 12:15:41 PM

Cymbal: kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.

Maybe in a school zone or residential area I can see your point.

On a highway is another matter.

Most highway speed limits have been set absurdly low for the sole purpose of generating revenue.


I don't bother with residential areas, like you said. On the highway, I hate how traffic police snarl traffic with just their presence. I'm a pokey driver, and rarely do I reach the speed limit, let alone break it (don't worry, I stay to the right), but cars will slow down to speeds BELOW mine when they see a cop, and that alone is dangerous.

I'd rather just see people cruise along, if the road isn't curvy, and the person isn't swerving between lanes, it takes a lot for a speed to be excessive.
 
2012-12-31 12:16:02 PM

cig-mkr: I haven't seen the flashing lights warning in years.


I did two days ago and it saved my ass from a ticket.
 
2012-12-31 12:16:09 PM

assjuice: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Just say you thought you saw a deer and were warning drivers of it.

Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.


Depends on where you live. In several states, it's considered to be a First Amendment thing.

Link
 
2012-12-31 12:16:13 PM
so do you flash them on or off at night? Was driving late one night, and passed a cop, then went around a corner and up a hill. Cop was perfectly positioned right at the bottom of the hill, around a bend so anyone driving down would never know until it was too late. Flashed my hi beams, and I'm sure they got the message, because the driver had to stop to regain his vision after I flashed him my brights. Felt like an ass, and I still do, thinking about it now. Prevented a ticket, though.
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CSB: Massive ticket for speeding was once given out by a cop who caught me flying through Pennsylvania. State trooper was sitting on a bend in the road looking for people going the other way, and I came around the (incredibly long) corner and just glimpsed him before moving behind a truck(passing on the right). Truck and I were moving closer to the same speed, though I was still in the 90s, after I finished passing him, but at that point I had a little eye to eye moment with the trooper, who was looking at me with his mouth wide open. I was caught, and I knew it. Trooper finally got his radar gun up on me, and I reluctantly pulled over, giving in to the inevitable.
After he caught up with me, the first words out of his mouth were, "Man, you are lucky that truck came along, otherwise you'd be looking at jail time. Do you know how fast you were going?"
I may have a lead foot, but I am not that dense; trying to get me to further incriminate myself? Ah, no: "Too fast?"

/he starts laughing, "Good answer." but I get the ticket anyway
//$157; 97mph in a 65mph(?)
///through some miracle/mistake, it was only one point off my licence ...

www.thefilmcynics.com
 
2012-12-31 12:16:54 PM

Land Ark: I'd just like to take an opportunity to let everyone know that they are not supposed to drive around with their high beams on.

If you can see this:
[dashboardsymbols.com image 65x46]
and another car you are breaking the law and blinding other drivers.

...since apparently every 20th driver in Northern Virginia doesn't seem aware of this.


And they don't give a shiat, either. They know what they're doing and don't care. The DMV has the worst drivers in the country.
 
2012-12-31 12:18:53 PM
Every-time someone flashes their headlights at me I flash my lights back at them, pull out my '9' and get ready to return fire.
 
2012-12-31 12:18:54 PM
I'll tap my goddamn helmet and you'll farking like it!

Granted, only bikers know what a head-tap means, but that's not my problem.
 
2012-12-31 12:19:18 PM

over_and_done: kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.

Ditto.

I flash my lights all the time when the asshole in the oncoming traffic has his high beams on, though. Or those farking painful blue headlights that destroy the vision of anybody who looks at them (blinding everyone else: great way to increase safety, jackass) because they're indistinguishable from high beams when you're trying to squint through them to see the road.

And I only flash my lights at them because shooting them out with a pellet gun is illegal (but would make the road safer for everyone else).


The problem isnt usually with the color of the lights, its the fact that a lot of these are aftermarket installations by people who don't know how to aim their headlights. HID lighting isn't anymore blinding per se, but I do think people get distracted by them because they look different. To me lifted trucks are worse, they already have brighter lights than cars normally do and they never re-aim them after they install their "never to be utilized for anything other than looking cool" lift kits.
 
2012-12-31 12:21:15 PM

KidneyStone: cig-mkr: I haven't seen the flashing lights warning in years.

I did two days ago and it saved my ass from a ticket.


Seems like the only place around here they worry about is the school zone.
But everyone knows that, and do the 25 mph.
rural guy
 
2012-12-31 12:22:09 PM

jigger: Land Ark: I'd just like to take an opportunity to let everyone know that they are not supposed to drive around with their high beams on.

If you can see this:
[dashboardsymbols.com image 65x46]
and another car you are breaking the law and blinding other drivers.

...since apparently every 20th driver in Northern Virginia doesn't seem aware of this.

And they don't give a shiat, either. They know what they're doing and don't care. The DMV has the worst drivers in the country.


I've been out of the DMV for a year now and it's been one of the best years ever. I can seriously attribute having a better life to not having to deal with those assholes. It isn't just the driving either, everyone there acts as selfishly as possible as much as possible.

/former Burke resident
//fark NoVA
 
2012-12-31 12:23:50 PM

diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.



You mean obstruction of revenue.

/It is no longer about safety, it is about the almighty dollar.
 
2012-12-31 12:24:11 PM
My BIL is a cop and he says he's fine with that. It extends the road distance that drivers are aware that the fuzz are doing speed suppression patrols which means more people do the speed limit. On the other hand, some towns count on the ticket revenue.
 
2012-12-31 12:28:25 PM

priapic_abandon: My BIL is a cop and he says he's fine with that. It extends the road distance that drivers are aware that the fuzz are doing speed suppression patrols which means more people do the speed limit. On the other hand, some towns count on the ticket revenue.


I never understood how ticket revenue isn't considered a conflict of interest. The police department shouldn't get that money. It should go towards infrastructure repairs or something.
 
2012-12-31 12:30:39 PM

the money is in the banana stand: The only time someone is going to flash their brights here in Texas is if you are either going too slow and not moving out of the lane or to remind you your headlights aren't on. I have never seen anyone do anything other than that.


It happens every night between Texas towns. If you don't see it, thats probably because you don't drive late, you stay in town, or you mostly stick to the Interstates.
 
2012-12-31 12:33:46 PM
When I lived in Florida I was listening to talk radio one day and this issue came up. A state trooper called in to clarify. It's not illegal to warn other drivers or anything. It is illegal to operate a motor vehicle with flashing lights and that's what they're actually ticketing you for.
 
2012-12-31 12:36:08 PM

Girion47: I never understood how ticket revenue isn't considered a conflict of interest. The police department shouldn't get that money. It should go towards infrastructure repairs or something.


The money is broken up between the court, state, and local jurisdiction (county, city, etc). What they do with it varies from place to place. The money doesn't go to the police per se it could just go into the general fund as revenue or have a specific use (roads, teachers, police etc).

I don't understand how this could be a conflict of interest.
 
2012-12-31 12:38:59 PM
Policing for profit.
 
2012-12-31 12:40:00 PM

TheWhoppah: the money is in the banana stand: The only time someone is going to flash their brights here in Texas is if you are either going too slow and not moving out of the lane or to remind you your headlights aren't on. I have never seen anyone do anything other than that.

It happens every night between Texas towns. If you don't see it, thats probably because you don't drive late, you stay in town, or you mostly stick to the Interstates.

I take interstates when I drive, esp at night. Texas towns are for driving through and stopping at Bucees to pee and get beef jerky + an Icee.There's Houston, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio and wasteland in between.
 
2012-12-31 12:47:24 PM

the money is in the banana stand: TheWhoppah: the money is in the banana stand: The only time someone is going to flash their brights here in Texas is if you are either going too slow and not moving out of the lane or to remind you your headlights aren't on. I have never seen anyone do anything other than that.

It happens every night between Texas towns. If you don't see it, thats probably because you don't drive late, you stay in town, or you mostly stick to the Interstates.
I take interstates when I drive, esp at night. Texas towns are for driving through and stopping at Bucees to pee and get beef jerky + an Icee.There's Houston, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio and wasteland in between.


Ain't that the friggin' truth...

Cool skyway interchanges, though.
 
2012-12-31 12:50:54 PM
Ok so we're no longer pretending the objective is safety rather than generating revenue for the state? That's good, I guess, no one believed it anyway.

fark this state, can't wait to leave
 
2012-12-31 12:51:39 PM
Isn't the point to get people to drive safely? Who cares if it's the speed limit sign or some headlights that do it? Or are they finally coming clean that speed limits are for income rather than safety?
 
2012-12-31 12:59:18 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Girion47: I never understood how ticket revenue isn't considered a conflict of interest. The police department shouldn't get that money. It should go towards infrastructure repairs or something.

The money is broken up between the court, state, and local jurisdiction (county, city, etc). What they do with it varies from place to place. The money doesn't go to the police per se it could just go into the general fund as revenue or have a specific use (roads, teachers, police etc).

I don't understand how this could be a conflict of interest.


That is how it is a conflict of interest. They are getting (at least part of) the money they are generating through ticket revenue.
 
2012-12-31 12:59:44 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Girion47: I never understood how ticket revenue isn't considered a conflict of interest. The police department shouldn't get that money. It should go towards infrastructure repairs or something.

The money is broken up between the court, state, and local jurisdiction (county, city, etc). What they do with it varies from place to place. The money doesn't go to the police per se it could just go into the general fund as revenue or have a specific use (roads, teachers, police etc).

I don't understand how this could be a conflict of interest.


It would depend on just what percent the jurisdiction's revenue does come tickets. If it trivial, then you have a point. But there does come a point where the police clearly will know that the more tickets they write, the more of a budget they will have. And other parts of the government might put pressure for the police to generate more revenue for example a city council that does not want increase taxes or cut spending so instead has cops go after out-of-towners passing through. There certainly are places where this is very much so. Indeed some states have had to write laws about jurisdictions that get just ridiculous about it which allow courts to order them to stop.
 
2012-12-31 01:03:33 PM

kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.


derp derp durrrr derpy doo
 
2012-12-31 01:06:12 PM
I hate this bullshiat. If the cops set traps, citizens should be allowed to tip each other off.
 
2012-12-31 01:09:53 PM

Kuroshin: I'll tap my goddamn helmet and you'll farking like it!

Granted, only bikers know what a head-tap means, but that's not my problem.


Wait, what? I've been riding for 20 years, and I don't know what that means.
 
2012-12-31 01:13:15 PM

Onkel Buck: Cops hate it when you warn the low hanging fruit


Cops, this is why people hate your farkin' guts. This flies in the face of the claim that

machoprogrammer: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Girion47: I never understood how ticket revenue isn't considered a conflict of interest. The police department shouldn't get that money. It should go towards infrastructure repairs or something.

The money is broken up between the court, state, and local jurisdiction (county, city, etc). What they do with it varies from place to place. The money doesn't go to the police per se it could just go into the general fund as revenue or have a specific use (roads, teachers, police etc).

I don't understand how this could be a conflict of interest.

That is how it is a conflict of interest. They are getting (at least part of) the money they are generating through ticket revenue.


Oh, and the fact that the cops just farlin' LOVE to squeal to your insurance company so the bastards can rip you off for even more. Even if the charge is bullshiat and doesn't stick, some insurance companies will still stick it to you. (check your policy).
I'm sure most high ranking police hold stock in insurance companies.
 
2012-12-31 01:13:56 PM

Flakeloaf: We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.


California made speed traps and speed trap evidence illegal so the cops tend to be visible from the road. Thing is in my hometown they're visibility usually extends to your ability to see them long enough for them to get a radar gun reading. My understanding is that they have to be on level ground to get a decent reading from a radar gun. Most of the time I see them trolling for tickets they're parked on a grade.

People probably don't bother to contest them enough. If everyone who ever got a speeding ticket did they'd have to start using evidence that is rock solid.
 
2012-12-31 01:14:06 PM

Land Ark: I'd just like to take an opportunity to let everyone know that they are not supposed to drive around with their high beams on.

If you can see this:
[dashboardsymbols.com image 65x46]
and another car you are breaking the law and blinding other drivers.

...since apparently every 20th driver in Northern Virginia doesn't seem aware of this.


I agree entirely. Also, if high-beaming drivers is a safety concern, then those 1000-watt metal-halide floodlights businesses put in their parking lots should be a safety issue too. Car lots are the worst offenders, it's like they aim those things right into traffic. I frequently have to hold my hand up and shade my eyes while driving at night to shield from these miniature suns that are all over the place.
 
2012-12-31 01:14:29 PM
I always assumed it was illegal, but I do it anyway because fark em
 
2012-12-31 01:19:07 PM

Crewmannumber6: I always assumed it was illegal, but I do it anyway because fark em



I like the cut of your jib.
 
2012-12-31 01:24:40 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: It's not just for speed trap warnings. I warn them to slow down because of potential hazardous conditions -like when there is an accident around the bend....


I just got flashed coming home not even an hour ago. Sure enough, there was a truck in the middle of a two lane country road unloading pallets over the next hill.
 
2012-12-31 01:28:31 PM
I don't remember all the details but this was an issue is Maryland a few years ago. Faced with the "if the goal is getting people to slow down and passing cars flashing their lights does that" logic, police and lawmakers said the law was in case someone with epilepsy was nearby and the flashing lights triggered a seizure.

And yes, they said it with straight faces. Must have practiced ahead of time.
 
2012-12-31 01:39:12 PM

Phins: I don't remember all the details but this was an issue is Maryland a few years ago. Faced with the "if the goal is getting people to slow down and passing cars flashing their lights does that" logic, police and lawmakers said the law was in case someone with epilepsy was nearby and the flashing lights triggered a seizure.

And yes, they said it with straight faces. Must have practiced ahead of time.


Shouldn't be ban flashing lights on police cars, ambulances, fire trucks, tow trucks etc?

I fail to see where a single or possibly double flash would be that much more likely to cause someone to go into a seizure than official flashing lights? What about blinkers and brake lights?
 
2012-12-31 01:40:10 PM
People need to stop saying they tell people cops are there for safety. If someone is informed of a cop's presence, they will slow down until they pass the cop, and then go back to speeding. Having the threat of a cop anywhere is a better deterrent. Granted, our ticket fines are stupidly cheap, in my opinion. Higher fines would be a better deterrent. That will probably anger a lot of people though.
 
2012-12-31 01:40:35 PM

Amos Quito: [www.asdlabs.com image 420x315]

Flash those puppies!


In NJ ca1968 the Garden State Parkway went past a drive-in theater that started to show XXX* movies on a screen facing the highway. Let's just say that caused an accident or two.

If I remember correctly it was on the east side just before the big bridge by the sulfur factory or around the poltergeist highway section.

*XXX meaning x-rated, meaning pron.
**a drive-in was a type of movie theater in which you sat in your car to watch a large projection
***southside of the river was a match factory
****the section is where there is cemetery on both sides of the highway but none under of course.

/frickin kids have no idea what i'm talking about :p
 
2012-12-31 01:50:56 PM

Phins: I don't remember all the details but this was an issue is Maryland a few years ago. Faced with the "if the goal is getting people to slow down and passing cars flashing their lights does that" logic, police and lawmakers said the law was in case someone with epilepsy was nearby and the flashing lights triggered a seizure.

And yes, they said it with straight faces. Must have practiced ahead of time.


So you could use this excuse if you get nabbed for not using your turn signal, right?
 
2012-12-31 01:54:15 PM

APE992: California made speed traps and speed trap evidence illegal so the cops tend to be visible from the road. Thing is in my hometown they're visibility usually extends to your ability to see them long enough for them to get a radar gun reading. My understanding is that they have to be on level ground to get a decent reading from a radar gun. Most of the time I see them trolling for tickets they're parked on a grade.

People probably don't bother to contest them enough. If everyone who ever got a speeding ticket did they'd have to start using evidence that is rock solid.


According to my BiL(who is a cop), some of the radar guns are more sophisticated than others. The one in his car is mounted and can get readings from infront and behind the car without him having to mess with it. The better ones they use are accurate to the point where it can single a vehicle out even if there's a lot of traffic. I didn't think to ask about grades because he works in a flatland, but it sounds weird that it would have an issue with it.
 
2012-12-31 02:00:38 PM

SirFire: I agree entirely. Also, if high-beaming drivers is a safety concern, then those 1000-watt metal-halide floodlights businesses put in their parking lots should be a safety issue too. Car lots are the worst offenders, it's like they aim those things right into traffic. I frequently have to hold my hand up and shade my eyes while driving at night to shield from these miniature suns that are all over the place.


At least most places now have laws or local ordinances requiring those LED billboards to moderate their brightness at night. It used to be that I'd get over a hill on the freeway coming home and be greeted by the glare of a thousands suns in my face from a particular car lot. (Schadenfreude: When the economy plunged, they stopped maintaining the sign and it turned into a bunch of squares of flashing, melted, jumpy mess, like a broken NES game... unfortunately, still just as bright.) I haven't had to deal with that for a couple of years now.

Of course, flashing brights is a dumb signal. It can mean "danger ahead" sure, but it can also mean "your lights are off," "hey, buddy, long time no see" or most commonly "I'm pissed at you for some stupid reason." Not to mention "this road is bumpy, didn't mean to flash you." You're expected to be psychic and assume the best about a class of people who largely can't drive anyway. Not even getting into the 5% of drivers who permanently use their brights because they're asshats or can't be bothered to fix their dims.... Really, brights as a signal is even more stupid than a horn as a signal for anything but "hey, watch where you're driving."
 
2012-12-31 02:02:57 PM

cig-mkr: I haven't seen the flashing lights warning in years.


My mother and I were driving back from lunch a couple of weeks ago (yes, I still get together once a week with my mother for lunch) and we pass a couple of cop cars hanging out on the side of the road, one with a radar gun pointed out of the driver's side window.

We go by at a measured speed and going over the next hill, we see a car coming in the opposite direction. So my mother instinctively flashed her headlights to let the person know that there were cops behind us. Well, about the time her lights flashed on and then off again was when she realized that she'd just flashed another cop!

Fortunately he had better things to do than turn around and pull us over so my mother didn't get a ticket.
 
2012-12-31 02:07:42 PM
I thought coffee and beer sounded like the most hideously disgusting unholy combination of drinks on the planet...until I tried this:

konabrewingco.com
 
2012-12-31 02:08:42 PM
Oh son of a biatch. Wrong thread.

/slinks off into the darkness
 
2012-12-31 02:19:10 PM

Alexei Novikov: I thought coffee and beer sounded like the most hideously disgusting unholy combination of drinks on the planet...until I tried this:

[konabrewingco.com image 419x720]


Darkhorse Perkulator is downright amazing.
 
2012-12-31 02:30:21 PM
Am I the only one who RTFA? It says the new law would make it LEGAL to arn other drivers of speed traps.
 
2012-12-31 02:31:22 PM
Ran into this exactly once, sort of. Locally people never got in the "warning others" habit.

Watched some poor bastid in the oncoming lane who had flashed to get me to drop my high beams pulled over. I wasn't even above the speed limit.
 
2012-12-31 02:34:46 PM

jmayson: When I lived in Florida I was listening to talk radio one day and this issue came up. A state trooper called in to clarify. It's not illegal to warn other drivers or anything. It is illegal to operate a motor vehicle with flashing lights and that's what they're actually ticketing you for.


Wouldn't turn signals be considered flashing lights then?
 
2012-12-31 02:38:47 PM
Do it around the bend, ONCE, and you've done your part. Proving one flash should be difficult.
 
2012-12-31 02:44:40 PM
We're I grew up flashing another driver could lead to an ass whooping since it was considered a long distance/night equivalent of flipping someone off.
 
2012-12-31 02:45:58 PM

jehovahs witness protection: But is it still legal to hang a disco ball from the headliner?


I have a disco ball and mirror over the back seat and never had any issues.  I just tell the chicks they are in Cash Cab.
 
2012-12-31 03:05:05 PM
Why do I remember this being decided in the Supreme Court 40 years ago? That free speech trumped tickets.
 
2012-12-31 04:04:17 PM

Trance354: After he caught up with me, the first words out of his mouth were, "Man, you are lucky that truck came along, otherwise you'd be looking at jail time. Do you know how fast you were going?"


Pennsylvania doesn't have a criminal speeding statute. At 31+ in a 55 or lower, 26+ in 65, you have a departmental hearing with someone from the DoT who may suspend your license 15 days or make you take another driving test, or both. No chance for jail for only speeding. If you go 11+ over in a work zone you get the suspension automatically now too.

In the very late 90's I knew a girl who got stopped not once but twice for 100+ on the same day. She was rushing home because someone in her family was in the hospital. The first trooper let her go and told her to slow down. The second trooper cited her for it. She ended up with the suspension.
 
2012-12-31 04:24:39 PM

slykens1: Trance354: After he caught up with me, the first words out of his mouth were, "Man, you are lucky that truck came along, otherwise you'd be looking at jail time. Do you know how fast you were going?"

Pennsylvania doesn't have a criminal speeding statute. At 31+ in a 55 or lower, 26+ in 65, you have a departmental hearing with someone from the DoT who may suspend your license 15 days or make you take another driving test, or both. No chance for jail for only speeding. If you go 11+ over in a work zone you get the suspension automatically now too.

In the very late 90's I knew a girl who got stopped not once but twice for 100+ on the same day. She was rushing home because someone in her family was in the hospital. The first trooper let her go and told her to slow down. The second trooper cited her for it. She ended up with the suspension.


I used to be a leadfoot.  Got caught doing almost 100 or so.  Cop was not happy, said he could charge me with wreckless driving.  That I assume is a criminal matter (he even said he'd lock me up overnight).

Got away with a huge ticket for speeding, thank God.  That scared the hell outta me.
 
2012-12-31 08:47:35 PM
Keep in mind that a cop will lie to you about what he can and can't do. The pathetic piece of shiat is getting a a woody from bullying you.
 
2013-01-01 08:14:43 AM
What I loathe are those cops who, upon pulling someone over, proceed to park at an angle where the bright white light on their bar faces right into oncoming traffic at night. Have a little courtesy by parking a little straighter, guys. It's not good to be blinded especially around a traffic stop.
 
2013-01-01 11:56:18 AM
I think it should be legal. It's an expression of free speech about how one feels about speed traps.

Whether or not I'll do it depends on how strict the local cops are. In my area (Sevier County Tennessee), the city, county and state cops are very lenient. You have to be at least 10mph over the limit, minimum, to get pulled over. One of my relatives was ticketed for 42 in a 20 and one of the officers said to her "We wouldn't have pulled you over if you weren't over 39." I regularly go 10 over the limit right in front of cops and they don't bother me. So around here, I never flash my lights to warn other drivers of a speed trap because if they're going fast enough to get a ticket, they very likely deserve it.
 
2013-01-01 12:37:17 PM

bingethinker: Keep in mind that a cop will lie to you about what he can and can't do. The pathetic piece of shiat is getting a a woody from bullying you.


u sound like a gaytheist
 
2013-01-02 12:02:23 PM

SirFire: I agree entirely. Also, if high-beaming drivers is a safety concern, then those 1000-watt metal-halide floodlights businesses put in their parking lots should be a safety issue too. Car lots are the worst offenders, it's like they aim those things right into traffic. I frequently have to hold my hand up and shade my eyes while driving at night to shield from these miniature suns that are all over the place.


Pro-tip: Night-blindness is a common middle-age complaint. Consider: maybe it's not everyone else?
 
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