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2012-12-31 08:41:30 AM  
dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.
 
2012-12-31 09:09:09 AM  
Just say you thought you saw a deer and were warning drivers of it.
 
2012-12-31 09:45:59 AM  
I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.
 
2012-12-31 10:38:16 AM  
I didn't read the article, but I got a huge ticket for that back in the day.

Just saying.
 
2012-12-31 10:45:52 AM  
But is it still legal to hang a disco ball from the headliner?
 
2012-12-31 10:48:17 AM  
There's several apps for that.
 
2012-12-31 10:48:58 AM  

SnarfVader: There's are several apps for that.


FTFM
 
2012-12-31 10:52:19 AM  
First time someone did that to me I didn't even see them. I was riding over Rock Eagle with my mom in the car and she said "Why did that car flash it's lights at us? Are your lights on?" I checked my lights and immediately said "It means COP!" Sure enough, 15 second later a HP was on the side of the road.

My mom asked how I knew that meant and when I replied I just did she muttered "Must be a penis thing and looked down at her book."
 
2012-12-31 11:11:20 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Just say you thought you saw a deer and were warning drivers of it.


Or chupacabra...both will be equally credible to the officer.
 
2012-12-31 11:11:29 AM  
Amendment FTW.?
 
2012-12-31 11:14:36 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: First time someone did that to me I didn't even see them. I was riding over Rock Eagle with my mom in the car and she said "Why did that car flash it's lights at us? Are your lights on?" I checked my lights and immediately said "It means COP!" Sure enough, 15 second later a HP was on the side of the road.

My mom asked how I knew that meant and when I replied I just did she muttered "Must be a penis thing and looked down at her book."


Those printers never signal turns
 
2012-12-31 11:24:19 AM  
Well, I misplaced a quotation mark there, didn't I?
 
2012-12-31 11:45:36 AM  
It's not just for speed trap warnings. I warn them to slow down because of potential hazardous conditions -like when there is an accident around the bend....
 
2012-12-31 11:46:13 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Well, I misplaced a quotation mark there, didn't I?


unless your mother narrates her actions, then yes. I got it though.
 
2012-12-31 11:46:44 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Just say you thought you saw a deer and were warning drivers of it.


Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.
 
2012-12-31 11:48:01 AM  
Cops hate it when you warn the low hanging fruit
 
2012-12-31 11:48:24 AM  
I always thought the cops started spreading rumors that gang bangers would shoot you if you flashed your lights at them. Nothing like fear to keep the people in line!
 
2012-12-31 11:48:56 AM  
Did someone say headlights?

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2012-12-31 11:49:26 AM  
I haven't seen the flashing lights warning in years.
 
2012-12-31 11:49:48 AM  

assjuice: Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.


Wonder what he does for a living.
 
2012-12-31 11:49:58 AM  
We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.
 
2012-12-31 11:50:51 AM  
I've done this, sometimes I even get a flash in response. I've also used Waze to warn others of speed traps. I've never been sure if this was legal in VA.

CSB
Just this past week I was driving through Clifton, VA during that storm and, as usual, Burke Lake Rd. was flooded and closed. Drivers who had already made their u-turn were flashing me to warn me of the impending doom, but since I was driving a lifted jeep my buddies and I have been working on as a side project, I just assumed they were pissed because my lights were right in their faces and kept going until *splash*.
 
2012-12-31 11:53:03 AM  
Florida is the state that brought us the legal decision that flashing your lights is a form of speech, and thus protected. So your lawyer has precedence at your trial, if you want to fight the ticket.

This is one of those "interfering with police" matters that doesn't completely bother me; after all the stated goal of speed traps is "safety" and if people slow down before they get to the trap, then ostensibly the goal is reached. The only difference is revenue. I just don't really speed, so it rarely affects me.
 
2012-12-31 11:53:14 AM  

kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.


Ditto.

I flash my lights all the time when the asshole in the oncoming traffic has his high beams on, though. Or those farking painful blue headlights that destroy the vision of anybody who looks at them (blinding everyone else: great way to increase safety, jackass) because they're indistinguishable from high beams when you're trying to squint through them to see the road.

And I only flash my lights at them because shooting them out with a pellet gun is illegal (but would make the road safer for everyone else).
 
2012-12-31 11:53:18 AM  

astouffer: assjuice: Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.

Wonder what he does for a living.


Troll it seems.
 
2012-12-31 11:54:26 AM  

diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.


Which is, of course, stupid. If you saw some guy about to break into a house and told him, "Dude, don't break into that house! You are breaking the law and those cops over there will catch you," are you obstructing justice?

Of course not.

What they should REALLY call this is "Obstruction of Revenue."
 
2012-12-31 11:59:19 AM  

Flakeloaf: We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.


That is adorable... You act like cops aren't just revenue generators for most cities.
 
2012-12-31 12:00:02 PM  

diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.


In Texas, the law about interferring with a public official EXPLICITLY EXCLUDES warning others about officers enforcing "the rules of the road."
You could stand out there with a big sign that says Speed Trap Ahead! and that is perfectly legal... even without invoking the First Amendment.
 
2012-12-31 12:01:47 PM  
Dude, you didn't see that cat in the road? I thought I was going to hit it.
 
2012-12-31 12:02:32 PM  

TheWhoppah: diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.

In Texas, the law about interferring with a public official EXPLICITLY EXCLUDES warning others about officers enforcing "the rules of the road."
You could stand out there with a big sign that says Speed Trap Ahead! and that is perfectly legal... even without invoking the First Amendment.


The only time someone is going to flash their brights here in Texas is if you are either going too slow and not moving out of the lane or to remind you your headlights aren't on. I have never seen anyone do anything other than that.
 
2012-12-31 12:02:49 PM  

shoegaze99: What they should REALLY call this is "Obstruction of Revenue."

 
2012-12-31 12:03:33 PM  
During the day it is not illegal. If you use your highbeams at night to do it, yes, that is a violation but it doesn't have anything to do with the warning but rather the safety of the other driver.
 
2012-12-31 12:05:34 PM  

diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.


Kind of strange that it's "obstruction" to suggest to people that they don't break the law in the first place. It's not about obstruction of justice, but obstruction of ticket money collection.
 
2012-12-31 12:05:50 PM  
Also from the article
The Florida Safe Harbor Act is designed to protect and provide shelter for sexually exploited children
How the hell are they gonna get a hold of a boat?
 
2012-12-31 12:07:15 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: I didn't read the article, but I got a huge ticket for that back in the day.

Just saying.


I'm curious... was there a second cop pointed the other direction down the road to see you flash the lights?

How exactly were you caught? I assume the cop was behind you by the time you reached the person you were warning, right?
 
2012-12-31 12:07:24 PM  

shoegaze99: diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.

Which is, of course, stupid. If you saw some guy about to break into a house and told him, "Dude, don't break into that house! You are breaking the law and those cops over there will catch you," are you obstructing justice?

Of course not.

What they should REALLY call this is "Obstruction of Revenue."


I really can't see how this isn't a 1st Amendment issue. If I want to tell someone about a speed trap, I should be able to say it all i farking want. As someone said up thread, if the goal is slowing down speeders for safety, then that was accomplished...no?
 
2012-12-31 12:07:25 PM  

kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.


Maybe in a school zone or residential area I can see your point.

On a highway is another matter.

Most highway speed limits have been set absurdly low for the sole purpose of generating revenue.
 
2012-12-31 12:07:27 PM  
I'd just like to take an opportunity to let everyone know that they are not supposed to drive around with their high beams on.

If you can see this:
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and another car you are breaking the law and blinding other drivers.

...since apparently every 20th driver in Northern Virginia doesn't seem aware of this.
 
2012-12-31 12:08:23 PM  

machoprogrammer: Flakeloaf: We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.

That is adorable... You act like cops aren't just revenue generators for most cities.


I wasn't.
 
2012-12-31 12:08:50 PM  

diaphoresis: dnrtfa

It has always been considered 'Obstruction of Justice' here.


Apparently some guy got a ticket for flashing lights, he sued as the intent of the flashing lights law was to ban strobe/emergency lights for non emergency use. New law is intended to clarify existing law as related to lawsuit stating you can flash high-beams for any reason. Other ways flashing can be banned such as "obstruction of justice" still up in air.
 
2012-12-31 12:09:19 PM  
Bureucraps
 
2012-12-31 12:09:55 PM  

oakleym82: I've done this, sometimes I even get a flash in response. I've also used Waze to warn others of speed traps. I've never been sure if this was legal in VA.

CSB
Just this past week I was driving through Clifton, VA during that storm and, as usual, Burke Lake Rd. was flooded and closed. Drivers who had already made their u-turn were flashing me to warn me of the impending doom, but since I was driving a lifted jeep my buddies and I have been working on as a side project, I just assumed they were pissed because my lights were right in their faces and kept going until *splash*.


I just drove from Louisville to Tampa and back. Waze was invaluable, especially in Georgia.
 
2012-12-31 12:11:45 PM  
I flash my headlights to warn people of potential hazards ahead.

Typically you will see cars slam on their brakes whenever they see a police officer. It is important to warn cars that the traffic patterns may be different further down the road.

It's for safety.
 
2012-12-31 12:12:38 PM  
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Flash those puppies!
 
2012-12-31 12:14:01 PM  
Since it's Florida, flashing turn signals don't count.
 
2012-12-31 12:14:58 PM  

Flakeloaf: We had a word for the act of catching someone in a "speed trap" while hiding. We called it "poaching", and it was generally regarded as stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating. You want people to drive more safely, not to hand out tickets. If someone's going to break the law, they'll do it anyway and you won't need to hide to see them.


Au contraire. Handing out tickets is the primary function for many police forces.
 
2012-12-31 12:15:41 PM  

Cymbal: kimwim: I never flash lights to warn drivers. If they're driving fast enough to encourage a cop to put down the coffee and donut, I say have at him. The life you save may be your kid's.

Maybe in a school zone or residential area I can see your point.

On a highway is another matter.

Most highway speed limits have been set absurdly low for the sole purpose of generating revenue.


I don't bother with residential areas, like you said. On the highway, I hate how traffic police snarl traffic with just their presence. I'm a pokey driver, and rarely do I reach the speed limit, let alone break it (don't worry, I stay to the right), but cars will slow down to speeds BELOW mine when they see a cop, and that alone is dangerous.

I'd rather just see people cruise along, if the road isn't curvy, and the person isn't swerving between lanes, it takes a lot for a speed to be excessive.
 
2012-12-31 12:16:02 PM  

cig-mkr: I haven't seen the flashing lights warning in years.


I did two days ago and it saved my ass from a ticket.
 
2012-12-31 12:16:09 PM  

assjuice: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Just say you thought you saw a deer and were warning drivers of it.

Still illegal. Stop trying to play cop and just drive, asswipe.


Depends on where you live. In several states, it's considered to be a First Amendment thing.

Link
 
2012-12-31 12:16:13 PM  
so do you flash them on or off at night? Was driving late one night, and passed a cop, then went around a corner and up a hill. Cop was perfectly positioned right at the bottom of the hill, around a bend so anyone driving down would never know until it was too late. Flashed my hi beams, and I'm sure they got the message, because the driver had to stop to regain his vision after I flashed him my brights. Felt like an ass, and I still do, thinking about it now. Prevented a ticket, though.
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CSB: Massive ticket for speeding was once given out by a cop who caught me flying through Pennsylvania. State trooper was sitting on a bend in the road looking for people going the other way, and I came around the (incredibly long) corner and just glimpsed him before moving behind a truck(passing on the right). Truck and I were moving closer to the same speed, though I was still in the 90s, after I finished passing him, but at that point I had a little eye to eye moment with the trooper, who was looking at me with his mouth wide open. I was caught, and I knew it. Trooper finally got his radar gun up on me, and I reluctantly pulled over, giving in to the inevitable.
After he caught up with me, the first words out of his mouth were, "Man, you are lucky that truck came along, otherwise you'd be looking at jail time. Do you know how fast you were going?"
I may have a lead foot, but I am not that dense; trying to get me to further incriminate myself? Ah, no: "Too fast?"

/he starts laughing, "Good answer." but I get the ticket anyway
//$157; 97mph in a 65mph(?)
///through some miracle/mistake, it was only one point off my licence ...

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