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(North Jersey)   Driver refuses to break speed limit when tailgated by cop, gets ticket for blocking traffic instead   (northjersey.com) divider line 144
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2012-12-31 11:10:13 AM
10 votes:
"If we all followed that law," said Doug Groner of Hillsdale, "we'd have everybody squeezed into one right lane."

No farktard. Most European highways are 2 lanes and when people stay the fark right traffic flows 1000% better.
2012-12-31 11:12:02 AM
9 votes:
"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed,  thinking this was OK."

Well, I would hope one of the things they'll teach her in that defensive driving class is not to travel alongside a tractor-trailer unit for any length of time.  If one of those blows a tire while you're alongside it, you could very well be toast.  The percussion impact can be powerful enough to knock you right off the road.

I was travelling on a country road a few years back, and the vehicle in front of me was a dump truck - and it was almost a half mile ahead of me.  It blew a tire, and I could feel the percussion impact of the blast from that far back.  I can just about imagine what it would have felt like if I were significantly closer.

If you find yourself next to a large truck of some sort, the best thing to do is to either speed up and get in front of it, or slow down and get behind it.  Don't just continue to travel beside it.
2012-12-31 11:10:10 AM
8 votes:
Eh. I'm as anti-cop as they come, but...


Why didn't she move to the middle lane?

"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed, thinking this was OK."

It wasn't. The trooper pulled her over and issued a summons for failing to keep right. The cop wasn't interested in her fear of moving to the right. And he sure didn't want to hear complaints about his own driving.

"Too bad," he told her, noting that he gave her "three miles" to find a way to yield.


If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.
2012-12-31 01:57:34 PM
7 votes:

Theaetetus: If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.


Yes, and if the cop needs to get past, all he has to do is turn on his lights and siren. At that point, the driver realizes that it's an emergency, and breaks the speed limit. It's OK to run a red light to clear an intersection, drive onto the shoulder etc to yield to an emergency vehicle.

Not an emergency, officer? Then drive the speed limit like everyone else, sh*tbag.
2012-12-31 03:03:46 PM
5 votes:
graphics8.nytimes.com

"Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?"
2012-12-31 01:54:55 PM
5 votes:
Trolltastic tag, since the Cop should be a hero. It's called impeding traffic. If you're so afraid of a ticket when a cop is tailgating you, you MOVE THE fark OVER. Not all of us are passive aggressive douchebags in Prius's that choose to contribute to the road rage cases in this country. It is against the law to be in the left lane and not passing someone.
2012-12-31 11:09:02 AM
4 votes:
Get out of the left lane, grand pa!
2012-12-31 03:19:29 PM
3 votes:

meanmutton: It's odd to me that some states have laws against passing on the right. It's actually quite a bit safer passing on the right because the driver of the car being passed has a much smaller blind spot on the right than the left.


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2012-12-31 02:30:54 PM
3 votes:

Theaetetus: If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.


She didn't "block" anyone who was obeying the law and going the speed limit. She only "blocked" people trying to BREAK THE LAW.

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2012-12-31 01:59:57 PM
3 votes:

BronyMedic: Grats bro. You just bought the county a new police cruiser by causing an accident which you are 100% at fault for. (Thanks to Ambulance Chasing, the laws regarding rear-end collisions have now changed to either shared responsibility, or the lead car being responsible for doing just that) You do know those things have cameras, right?


Considering my wife just got a ticket for a rear-end collision in which the car in front of her suddenly slammed on the brakes, I'm going to say you're simply making stuff up.
2013-01-02 01:23:27 PM
2 votes:

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.


i hope one day you're driving somebody dear to you to the hospital... everyone on the highway is doing 3 under in all lanes... and you make it there just a few seconds too late.
2012-12-31 04:35:31 PM
2 votes:

fredklein: As I said before, if everyone followed the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant- if everyone is going the speed limit, no one is passing.


Irrelevant. You can conjure up "if" statements all day, but reality is not obliged to conform itself to your desires. In the real world, everybody doesn't drive exactly the same speed - hence the need to allow for the faster to pass the slower. And since everybody doesn't yield to faster moving traffic on their own, there are 'keep right' laws. Allowing those going faster to pass those going slower, regardless of speed limit, is demonstrably safer than letting the left lane vigilantes jam everything up.

fredklein: On the other hand, if everyone followed the 'keep right except to pass' law, then you end up with speed demons flying by at 80mph, causing accidents.


We already have speed demons flying by at 80mph - they just have to do more lane weaving when slow folks don't yield the left lane. In many cases they'll accelerate to an even higher rate of speed if they think there is a chance to get in front of said slower drivers. Both the lane weaving and additional acceleration make accidents more likely and more deadly than they otherwise would be.
2012-12-31 04:09:17 PM
2 votes:

Amos Quito: In the case of TFA, it was the "dudes with the guns" rule.



Ah yes. The might make right rule. Ageless.
/HNY
2012-12-31 04:06:47 PM
2 votes:

fredklein: And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.


Many states have laws specifically exempting any emergency vehicle from traveling the speed limit when not on a call, however the liability is squarely placed on the vehicle operator. While a few have changed it due to that being massively abused and resulting in needless death, some still have them on the books.

fredklein: t's also not her job to break the law (speed to pass the truck) in order to allow someone else to break the law.


I find it hard to believe that if she is momentarily exceeding the speed limit to allow an emergency vehicle to pass, or to maintain a safe flow of traffic that someone's going to write her a ticket over it.
2012-12-31 03:04:33 PM
2 votes:

foxyshadis: Note: In most places cops don't care about 5-10 over. They don't even care about 15 over if they have somewhere more important to be, but there's no way if you can know that or not. Get in front, slow down. (This does not apply in Virginia and Ohio. Better to brake and get behind the semi in those cases. Why some states breed total farkwad state police instead of the usual occasional farkwads is anyone's guess.)

The reality is that she was just another of those idiot drivers who speeds up or slows down to match anyone who gets alongside her, because then she can completely disconnect her brain and stop thinking about anything in front of or behind her. She probably didn't even know there was a cop there. I see them every day, they're more common in rural areas but even urban ones have their fair share.


German traffic engineers call them sheep drivers. They are the ones that pass you only to realize they are speeding so they change in your lane and decelerate 5-10 mph. When you pass them they realize they are being pass and start to speed up. They might feel comfortable for awhile next to somebody blocking all traffic behind them.

It probably isnt a cognitive process (most of their driving probably couldnt be called
'Cognitive' decisions). Usually when I encountered them I make sure my Waze app is fired up and blow past them at 25 mph+ over until they are well out of reach of my rearview.
2012-12-31 02:59:33 PM
2 votes:
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2012-12-31 02:12:55 PM
2 votes:
I love any thread that sets the "all police officers abuse their authority" crowd against the "I hate slow drivers" crowd. I plan on showing this article to my roommate to watch his head explode.
2012-12-31 02:10:03 PM
2 votes:
You can and should speed up to yield the right of way in NJ. The article says the limit was 65. She could have done 67 and not legally been able to get a ticket, due to radar gun calibration limitations. She *should* have put her right turn signal on, sped up to 67 and done herself two favors: first, she gets out from beside a big truck, which is dangerous; second: she yields right of way to an emergency vehicle.

Clearly, she was in the wrong. She should take the ticket and the points.

/Instead she boohoos to the press and her daddy.
/Whatever.
2012-12-31 02:06:34 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: But how do you cope when you're doing the speed limit in the left lane and the tailgater is a cop?

By getting in the proper, right lane?

Here in Michigan, on limited access roads (highways) with two lanes in a single direction, the left lane is for PASSING and authorized vehicles. You will get ticketed by State Troopers for this sort of nonsense. If somebody comes up behind me in the passing lane, and I'm not stuck behind some idiot, I get over as soon as I can. When I pass, I pass, -  that means at least 10mph over the speed of the vehicle I am passing, not 1 or 2mph. If I won't go more than 1 or 2mph faster then the guy I'm trying to pass, why bother passing him?
2012-12-31 02:04:00 PM
2 votes:

vinnydoz007: In this case, the woman may have been in the wrong. But ive experienced a similar incident. And i didnt want to speed either with the cop on my ass, and there was a line of cars in the middle lane blocking me.


Then why were you in the passing lane to begin with?
2012-12-31 02:03:41 PM
2 votes:
Put her to death. Anyone who makes a habit of driving in the left lane while not passing the car to their right deserves a slow painful death. I'm not kidding.
2012-12-31 02:02:22 PM
2 votes:

KimNorth: Good! I so hate these control freaks who get off on holding up traffic just because they can, move the fark over you asshat!


I don't think that's it, I think they're just cowards and idiots. I frequently see people pull from an onramp straight across the left most lane then proceed to not pass and jam up the road behind them.

I usually wait a bit then just start flashing my lights periodically. If it goes on long enough I wait until it's clear again to the right and just move over at which point they get the horn and the finger out the window.

I'm sure these idiots think they're doing nothing wrong and have no idea why people are always being so mean and nasty to them all the time time or why there's always a mile long line of pissed off people behind them...
2012-12-31 02:00:21 PM
2 votes:
But how do you cope when you're doing the speed limit in the left lane and the tailgater is a cop?
Get the fark out of the left lane you asshole!
2012-12-31 01:59:48 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Come to Chicago, people ride the left lane here more than anywhere I've been.  People will sit in the left lane when there isn't another car within a mile of them.


GRRRRR. No shiat. Wifey is from Chicago and we make the trip up there a few times a year. Don't get me wrong, I love the city, but DEAR GOD why can't Chicagoians understand to GET THE fark OUT OF THE LEFT LANE!!!
2012-12-31 01:57:19 PM
2 votes:
Probably a non story. You mean to tell me there was no way to get out of the left lane for three miles? Pfft. Cops aren't going to bust your balls for 10-15 mph over to clear the left lane. Besides, if you're going 65 on the NJ turnpike or similar highway, every car is passing you regardless if there's a trooper around.
2012-12-31 01:56:50 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.


She sounds like the kind of girl that starts a fight in a bar and expects you to fight it.
2012-12-31 01:56:14 PM
2 votes:
Good! I so hate these control freaks who get off on holding up traffic just because they can, move the fark over you asshat!
2012-12-31 01:56:07 PM
2 votes:
If you don't want to speed up, you slow down, turn on your signal and move the fark over when it's clear.

You got a ticket for blocking the passing lane because you were blocking the passing lane. I hope it ruined your Christmas you stupid biatch.

You know what's an easy way to avoid this sort of thing? Don't get in the passing lane unless you're going to pass, shiat-for-brains.

/ no, I didn't bother reading pages 2 and 3

EnviroDude: /and if that doesn't work, next time brake for an amoeba and get rear ended


Cop has a dash cam. He may get in some minor trouble for following too closely (if he even was), but you're not only going to pay for all the damage you caused to both cars, you're going to get some heavy fines for causing an accident.

Your ideas are terrible. A smart person would stay out of the left lane if they're not passing. A smarter person than the idiot in the article would have turned on their signal, braked to let the trailer pass, and then moved the fark over.
2012-12-31 01:53:44 PM
2 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: Isn't there a "make way" law?


For cops, yeah.
You don't have to like them, but GTF out of their way.
Let them go and stay off their radar.
2012-12-31 12:27:23 PM
2 votes:

EnviroDude: citizens arrest the cop for following too closely.


What law states the definition of "following too closely", or makes it an arrestable offense? Congrats, your jailhouse lawyering has now gotten someone arrested for a number of felonies in most states. (Kidnapping, False Imprisonment, Assault with a Deadly Weapon, etc.)

EnviroDude: /and if that doesn't work, next time brake for an amoeba and get rear ended


Grats bro. You just bought the county a new police cruiser by causing an accident which you are 100% at fault for. (Thanks to Ambulance Chasing, the laws regarding rear-end collisions have now changed to either shared responsibility, or the lead car being responsible for doing just that) You do know those things have cameras, right?
2012-12-31 11:22:23 AM
2 votes:
This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.
2013-01-02 09:54:00 PM
1 votes:

bhcompy: fredklein: In any case, it mentions "prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper". Since it is not "prudent" to break the law, and it is "proper" to obey the speed limit, you are limited to the speed limit.

Do me a favor and look up the definition of notwithstanding, or case law, or anything that requires you to exercise your brain.


not·with·stand·ing
/ˌnätwiTHˈstandiNG/
Preposition
In spite of.

So, IN SPITE OF the speed limit bring 65, you cannot go that fast if the road is icy. It is not prudent or proper to do so. You must go slower.

Oh, and "and no person shall drive any vehicle upon a roadway at a speed greater than will permit him to bring it to a stop within the assured clear distance ahead." means you can't tailgate me either, speeder!

Not, you please look up the definition of "limit".
2013-01-02 11:24:38 AM
1 votes:

bhcompy: fredklein: bhcompy: Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit

[citation needed]

Wow, total troll mode now.


[snip minimum speed sign pix]

The fact a minimum speed limit exists is not proof that "Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit". Try again.

Ohio, different vehicles have different speed limits

Ooh, you've found an exception to the general rule. Therefore, the general rule must be completely invalid.

Section 618 clearly states that the speed limit does not apply when talking about reasonable speeds

Actually, that's meant for idiots who insist on driving the speed limit despite adverse conditions (thus the wording: "due regard to the traffic, surface and width of the roadway and any other condition then existing"). In any case, it mentions "prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper". Since it is not "prudent" to break the law, and it is "proper" to obey the speed limit, you are limited to the speed limit.

Basically, stop being a douche and get to the right if you're impeding the flow of traffic in your current lane.

Basically, stop being a douche and obey the speed limits.
2013-01-02 03:04:00 AM
1 votes:

fredklein: bhcompy: Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit

[citation needed]


Wow, total troll mode now.

www.mesalek.com

US50 in CO, posted speed minimum because there is a problem with this. Being that it's Colorado, it could be farm traffic(tractors do not generally go that fast), hypermilers, bicyclists, or just plain slow drivers(CO drivers suck).

www.onntv.com

Ohio, different vehicles have different speed limits, yet share the same road, thus, in your world, where everyone drives the speed limit at all times, there are conditions where traffic forcibly moves at different speeds, thus creating a condition where slower traffic should move right, despite the fact the slower traffic may be moving at the speed limit.

Tulsa Oklahoma has various laws in the traffic code that apply:
SECTION 618. CONDITIONS AFFECTING SPEED
Notwithstanding the posted speed limits, any person driving a vehicle shall drive
the same at a careful and prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and
proper, having due regard to the traffic, surface and width of the roadway and any other
condition then existing; and no person shall drive any vehicle upon a roadway at a
speed greater than will permit him to bring it to a stop within the assured clear distance
ahead.

SECTION 619. SPEED LESS THAN MINIMUM POSTED SPEED
Any speed less than the minimum speed specified by official traffic-control
devices is unlawful.

SECTION 622. SPEED TOO SLOW FOR CONDITIONS
It shall be unlawful for any person to drive at such a slow speed as to impede the
normal and reasonable movement of traffic.


Section 618 clearly states that the speed limit does not apply when talking about reasonable speeds and that you should maintain reasonable speeds where reason is qualified by stopping distance, and Section 622 tails off 618 by stating that driving slower than reasonable speeds is unlawful.
Section 619 must exist because this is a problem enough to create a law to address the situation.

Basically, stop being a douche and get to the right if you're impeding the flow of traffic in your current lane.
2013-01-01 08:38:34 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: The_Original_Roxtar: no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.

For the last time, people:

If everyone obeys the speed limit, then the 'keep right except to pass' is irrelevant, since everyone is going the same speed.

But, some of you don't seem to get it. let's look at the 4 possibilities:

Everyone obeys Both laws.
Everyone obeys the speed limit, but not the Keep Right law.
Everyone obeys the Keep Right law, but not the speed limit.
No one obeys either.

If everyone obeys Both laws, we end up with everyone in the Right lane, going the speed limit. The left lane is never used. That makes no sense.

If everyone obeys the speed limit, but not the Keep Right law, we end up with everyone going the speed limit, but both lanes of the road being used. This is the most efficient use of the road.

If everyone obeys the Keep Right law, but not the speed limit (like a lot of you want), we wind up with the right lane at 55 (maybe 65), and the left lane at 80 or more. This speed differential leads to more, and worse, accidents.

And finally, if no one obeys either law, we end up with the roads as they are now.


Except speed limit is the maximum. Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit, which is why many freeways have posted speed minimums, since large differences in speed are inherently dangerous. Slower traffic move right means just that. Are you slower? Yes. Move right.
2013-01-01 07:38:58 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: The_Original_Roxtar: no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.

For the last time, people:

If everyone obeys the speed limit, then the 'keep right except to pass' is irrelevant, since everyone is going the same speed.


for the last time, retard:
Speedometers are not 100% accurate. so your "60mph" isn't the same as anyone else's "60mph".
everyone is NOT "going the same speed".

MOVE
THE
fark
OVER
2013-01-01 06:47:20 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: snocone: We call this behavior "Passive Aggression".
Makes you a dick.

Obeying the law makes you a dick? Got it.


no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.
2013-01-01 05:54:00 PM
1 votes:

snocone: We call this behavior "Passive Aggression".
Makes you a dick.


Obeying the law makes you a dick? Got it.
m00
2013-01-01 04:07:02 PM
1 votes:
I understand the frustration. This happens to be a lot:

I'm behind a truck in the right lane, he's going 60 and it's 65mph limit... I get in the left to pass him, and he speeds up (for what-ever reason... going downhill, road straightens, etc). I'm generally on cruise control but truck speeds I've noticed are extremely variable. If I'm in a notorious speed trap zone, I usually just slow down and get behind him again while doing the "oh come on" gesture. If I'm not in a notorious speed trap zone, I pass him as fast as I can and get back in the right lane.

Now if during this time a cop gets up my ass, I would immediately signal and then either speed up (and risk it) or slow down, and let him pass. If he's tailgating, I can only speed up. But I can completely understand how speeding with a cop up your ass is unnerving. Because they can pull you over and ticket you for going just a few miles over... whether or not they will is up to the cop.
2013-01-01 12:49:39 PM
1 votes:

Rye_: fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.

If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic, and, like it or not, you'll probably be pulled over for it. You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go out in your car, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.


We call this behavior "Passive Aggression".
Makes you a dick.
2013-01-01 12:16:52 PM
1 votes:
I tell my wife to pass at a reasonable speed. Dont ever stay the same speed as a semi. Bad things can happen, tires blow, drivers get distracted or even the truck may have to do a emergency lane change. I tell her that if she gets a speeding ticket I will pay it, just get around them...
2013-01-01 06:41:16 AM
1 votes:
If you are going to be going the speed limit, do not be in the left lane. The left lane is for passing. This driver had 3 miles to make a decision, the cop had to make it for her.
2013-01-01 03:37:35 AM
1 votes:

filter: Is it really illegal ton pass on the right?!


Think rush hour stop and go traffic before you call me an idiot.


It's a common misconception. Virtually ever state's laws say the same thing about passing on the right: "it is legal, as long as it is safe." (I'd looked it up once before and found that in my state, NY, passing on right is legal; just looked it up again, and Oregon was the first I ran into, which was legal as well. I assume the in article's NJ it is, though perhaps the NJ Turnpike has extra laws about it? Who knows.)

It's not recommended though, mostly out of... tradition? The left lane is for passing, simply because that's the standard and what people expect.

Yes, cops, this is what happens when you make people afraid of you. They panic too much at sight of you to speed a few miles an hour over (cause they think you'll nail them for it) to pass a truck, and stupid shiat happens (which you nail them for anyway). You, police, are supposed to be on our side. But ya farked it up. Yay!
2013-01-01 01:45:02 AM
1 votes:

LtDarkstar: I was pulled over because a state patrol cop had someone pulled over in a bus lane (it was a very wide bus lane and he had lots of room) and I slowed down to way below the limit, even went to the edge of my lane to give the guy room (I couldn't change lanes because I had someone that was too close to my car to change lanes), but of course that wasn't good enough for that guy, he pulled me over and yelled at me for not changing lanes.


Probably because most states, Wisconsin included based on Google search, requires you to vacate the lane if there's more than one lane each way. The nearest lane to an emergency vehicle is closed to all traffic. This isn't new, it's been around for a few years now; had you actually read a recent driver's manual and your state's vehicle code like you're supposed to do on a regular basis, you would already know this.

So, basic rule is: If there's more than one lane in your direction, and one has an emergency vehicle stopped with it's red lights lit, the lane adjacent is closed, period. If there's only one lane, take the speed limit, subtract 20.
2013-01-01 01:34:57 AM
1 votes:

kpaxoid: hoots_toot_ochaye: kp

Then charge the truck driver for not yielding the right of way so she could pull over in front of the truck.


It's not the truck driver's responsibility to yield to passing vehicles when there's a dedicated passing lane (ie, white line) in the same direction. Courtesy, sure, but good luck getting anybody to extend that...
2012-12-31 10:56:13 PM
1 votes:
Drove 400 mostly highway miles for the holidays. Didn't see as much stupidity as I expected to (or I've learned to ignore it better), but I always see at least one example of people who don't know how to pass a semi.

FYI: In order to pass a truck, you have to go FASTER than the truck.

Dipshiats.
2012-12-31 10:13:48 PM
1 votes:
Well, I for one am getting tired of the majority of traffic sitting in the left lane. Sometimes pass 7-8 vehicles on the right at my indicated 3+ speed.  I must be invisible coming up the right lane, but worst case is one idiot pulls over and blocks both lanes. This is pretty close to actual speed according to the GPS. I constantly encounter all of the traffic in sight in the left lane.
Minnesota freeways. Constant supply of campers running 2-3 miles under speed limit and treating the right lane like they paid no taxes to use it.
And so often find 3 lanes filled side by side as a rolling roadblock for miles.

I gotta go with 2-3 miles doorhandle to doorhandle as blocking, or too braindead to drive.
2012-12-31 07:36:12 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: Rye_: If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic

Only if 'traffic' is speeding. Which is illegal.

Do I need to post the "Stop breaking the law, a**hole" pic again?


Why even drive in the left lane, then? Everyone in the right lane is doing exactly what you want and expect them to. O...ohhhhh...you're enforcing.

Wait...let me find my "Stop driving like a stubborn coont" pic.
2012-12-31 07:33:50 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: Rye_: If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic

Only if 'traffic' is speeding. Which is illegal.

Do I need to post the "Stop breaking the law, a**hole" pic again?


see my earlier post.

The_Original_Roxtar: to the "if everyone does the speed limit" idiots:

speedometers are not perfect.. and they are based on tire diameter which changes as the tire wears
Lets say yours reads 3% fast, and mine reads 3% slow

so, 60 x .97 = 58.2
and 60 x 1.03 = 61.8
61.8-58.2 = 3.6
that's a 3.6 MPH difference and we're both going "60"

2012-12-31 07:30:16 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: Rye_: If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic

Only if 'traffic' is speeding. Which is illegal.

Do I need to post the "Stop breaking the law, a**hole" pic again?


And again, it doesn't matter. Flow of traffic and speed limits are two different concepts as far as application of the law is concerned. This is why many freeways also have posted speed minimums.
2012-12-31 07:23:09 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: "You're right." Clearly nothing I say will convince you otherwise. So I'm exiting the conversation. If you want to take that as "proving me wrong", then more power to you.


No worries, I won't take it as proven you wrong. I will take the fact that I proved you wrong as proving you wrong.

Good luck out there.
2012-12-31 07:14:20 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: And once again, you ignore reality, and the wording of text, to try to prove a point. In reality they: Issue a court date (I.e. Citation) to all involved. All that quoted context says is that they MAY issue a ticket, and the situations which might lead them to do so. (Something I never argued they didn't. By the way.) They do not assign fault.A traffic court judge does so.


Yep, you picked the one we knew you would.

Once again, you claimed that in the case of a rear-end collision, the cops issues tickets to both drivers. You didn't qualify the statement, you didn't say "sometimes" or they "may". You stated as a fact and even linked to guidelines as if the guidelines would prove your claim. They didn't. You have yet to produce anything that even remotely backs-up that claim. Using your cite, I have shown that according to the guideline there is nothing that would prove such a claim and in fact, following too closely is one of the numerated instances when the cop may, based on the physical evidence, issue traffic tickets at the crash scene. Now, it would kind of silly to think that based on the physical evidence of following too closely they would issue tickets to both drivers. And I see that with this gem, "They do not assign fault", you have gone completely off the range. I mean, you're not even in the same area code of the range.
Care to try again? Hint: when you start with the pics, you're waving the white flag.
2012-12-31 07:09:57 PM
1 votes:
to the "if everyone does the speed limit" idiots:

speedometers are not perfect.. and they are based on tire diameter which changes as the tire wears
Lets say yours reads 3% fast, and mine reads 3% slow

so, 60 x .97 = 58.2
and 60 x 1.03 = 61.8
61.8-58.2 = 3.6
that's a 3.6 MPH difference and we're both going "60"
2012-12-31 07:06:45 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.


If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic, and, like it or not, you'll probably be pulled over for it. You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go out in your car, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.
2012-12-31 06:05:56 PM
1 votes:

Fade2black: Trolltastic tag, since the Cop should be a hero. It's called impeding traffic. If you're so afraid of a ticket when a cop is tailgating you, you MOVE THE fark OVER. Not all of us are passive aggressive douchebags in Prius's that choose to contribute to the road rage cases in this country. It is against the law to be in the left lane and not passing someone.


Being from the Midwest, I never understood the Prius-hate I encountered on the internet. I thought it was just a gas-guzzler's stereotype or a regurgitation of that whole south park 'smug' meme... But then I moved to Las Vegas 5 months ago; Holy hell, they're everywhere, they all have California plates, and you can't throw a rock without hitting one that's actively engaged in impeding traffic. My theory is they think that EVERY left lane is an HOV lane. And what is with the whole waiting 5 seconds after a light turns green before releasing the brake? How does that save gas? I'm absolutely bewildered by their apartment hostility towards normal traffic flow.

/drives an economy car
2012-12-31 05:56:03 PM
1 votes:
This should happen more often. Huge PIA up here in Seattle.
2012-12-31 05:52:52 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: On both Accident with Injury and Non-Injury accidents that happen on public property, both parties in the City of Memphis get a court date to hash out who was responsible. It is NOT determined by the arriving officer because they inevitably turn into lawsuits in that city.


You do know that your cite, the one in the post, does not say what you are saying it says, right? Keep trying, you will still be wrong, you know you're wrong, but keep trying.

Here, since you seem to want to forget, is what you claimed:

They ticket both drivers, and let them fight it out in traffic court on the citation date unless the accident happened on private property, in which case they will only make a report if someone demands it.

Not that they may do so, but that they do and as proof you linked to the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines. Not only do the guidelines not back your claim, this directly contradicts your claim: (from your cite)
Officers may issue traffic tickets at the crash scene based upon personal investigation without regard to personal injury or property damage. Common examples of vehicle crash cause factors that can be deduced from physical evidence at a scene include:

1. Following Too Close

An office may "deduced from physical evidence at a scene" who's at fault in a rear-end crash and issue a ticket. Which, once again, contradicts your claim. You are, simply wrong. You can call me a troll, you can copy and paste till your fingers fall off, and you will still be wrong. But, really, it's kinda fun watching you flail about.
2012-12-31 05:31:31 PM
1 votes:

evilmousse: They'll say you were in the right at your funeral.


And your family got a hell of a payday!

CHA CHING!

www.finalcall.com
2012-12-31 05:30:23 PM
1 votes:
I'm disappointed at seeing do many commenters make the same mistake as the driver. It's a pioritization problem. The clear flow of traffic > the speed limit. She understood both independently but when tested to choose which was situationally more important she went all deer in the headlights.

Treating speed limits like holy commandments while ignoring the context of the drivers around you is like putting full faith in the crosswalk sign. They'll say you were in the right at your funeral.
2012-12-31 05:17:11 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Fixed that for you. I didn't want you to seem silly otherwise.


Gotta hand it to you, even when proven wrong beyond any doubt, you don't give up the good fight. Funny thing is, you proved the proof. Which is, are you ready for it, silly.
2012-12-31 05:15:54 PM
1 votes:

ZeroPly: and can also be stopped for going the speed limit (impeding traffic).


If you stay out of the way you're never going to get ticketed for going the speed limit. Just because you're following one law doesn't mean you can't be breaking another.
2012-12-31 05:06:46 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: NightOwl2255: But, your claim is ridiculous, as is your "proof".

>Big City Department doesn't want to fight out who's responsible in one of the most litigious cities in the United States.
>Big City Department doesn't have time to do so.
>Big City Department issues both parties citations with a court date to fight it out there.

NightOwl2255: I pointed out, quite correctly, that your cite does not back up your claim, and in fact contradicts your claim. that I have no idea how the wording of a policy can affect it's application in the field.

Fixed that for you. I didn't want you to seem silly otherwise.


The two of you should get a room.
2012-12-31 04:44:43 PM
1 votes:
he gave her "three miles" to find a way to yield.


Her own damn fault then.
2012-12-31 04:37:58 PM
1 votes:
I love how people justify breaking the keep-right law by saying they're keeping other people from breaking the law.

WE SALUTE YOU, PALADINS OF THE HIGHWAY!
2012-12-31 04:34:34 PM
1 votes:

t3knomanser: Sitting next to a truck for three minutes sounds like a really stupid idea. Then again, I'm the sort of person that will sit in the left lane, trailing behind the truck until it is completely clear for me to pass the truck. Then I accelerate so that I can pass the entire length of the truck in one action.

But that's just me. I just got my license a month ago, so I obviously know nothing.


Bravo! Have a free month of TF on me.
2012-12-31 04:30:50 PM
1 votes:

JonnyG: The horrible thing is that this is actually a tactic trained to and used by police everywhere. I agree that slow drivers should move over and let faster drivers by, but only up to the speed limit.


The law isn't phrased that way. You aren't the speed limit enforcer.

NJSA 39:4-82 says drivers must stay right except to pass.

It's not about "letting faster drivers by" - it's about not being in the left lane unless you're passing someone.

If you aren't passing someone, you don't belong in the left lane.
2012-12-31 04:26:58 PM
1 votes:
I saw the headline and thought "she was in the left-lane."

"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed, thinking this was OK."

The truck just magically appeared, I guess.
2012-12-31 04:20:14 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.


And if they do, you're still breaking the law. You got some nice logic there.

So if your doctor smokes, you can't get lung cancer?
2012-12-31 04:17:33 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: KiTTeNs_on_AciD: Not her job to enforce the law.

It's also not her job to break the law (speed to pass the truck) in order to allow someone else to break the law.


Oh, now I get it. You are in NYC and have no idea what driving is like in the rest of the world. Try to think of this as someone stopping to tie their shoes in the middle of a doorway to a subway car, or the middle of a stair case. Or tourists blocking an entire sidewalk to take pictures. It's a dick-move that negatively impacts others and trying to spin it as vigilantism doesn't excuse it.

Do the rest of us a huge favor and stay in the city, and never drive. Or conversely, move to Detroit and drive exactly how you think is OK and the problem will work itself out.
2012-12-31 04:06:55 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.


I didn't realize that it was your job to interpret the law. I'm pretty sure that's the judge's job, and they tend to agree with the assertion that impeding traffic is about road safety, not speed limits(which are not about road safety)
2012-12-31 04:06:33 PM
1 votes:

poisonpill: Probably a non story. You mean to tell me there was no way to get out of the left lane for three miles? Pfft. Cops aren't going to bust your balls for 10-15 mph over to clear the left lane. Besides, if you're going 65 on the NJ turnpike or similar highway, every car is passing you regardless if there's a trooper around.


Actually, I've been in a situation where there was no legal and safe way out of the left lane for more than 3 miles.

I had an ass right on my bumper, had I tried to slow down he probably would have hit me. I was doing 65 (the limit), the right lane was full of a *LONG* line of trucks doing about 55 that I was overtaking, there wasn't space in between to move into.

filter: Is it really illegal ton pass on the right?!


Think rush hour stop and go traffic before you call me an idiot.


I always thought it meant you weren't supposed to move over to the right in order to go around a vehicle. I have never interpreted it to mean that if you're held to the speed of the vehicle to your left. I am not a cop, though.

Smeggy Smurf: There is only one good reason to drive in the left lane. At night when there is nobody around you it's good to have an extra lane or two leeway in case a deer is trying to cross the road. Then if you do hit it, you can go off into the median and only risk killing yourself instead of the others on the highway.


Actually, I've found one other good reason at times--I've been on pieces of road where the right lane was beat to pieces and the left was nearly pristine. If there was nobody around I would stay in the left lane in that area but I would move right if someone came along.

Gyrfalcon: Oh, so much this. More so for the ones who hit their brakes because they see a cop on the SIDE OF THE ROAD giving some other poor fool a ticket. Do they think the cop is going to remember they were the ones speeding and come chase them next? (That's not the same thing as slowing when passing an accident scene, btw, although looky-loos need to die also)


Sometimes the cop on the side of the road isn't alone.
2012-12-31 04:01:34 PM
1 votes:

Curious: BronyMedic: Grats bro. You just bought the county a new police cruiser by causing an accident which you are 100% at fault for. (Thanks to Ambulance Chasing, the laws regarding rear-end collisions have now changed to either shared responsibility, or the lead car being responsible for doing just that) You do know those things have cameras, right?

got a citation for that? i got rear-ended a couple of months ago and the girl who hit me got a ticket for following too close. i got nothing.


He's referring to that for insurance and litigation purposes you only need to be 10% at fault. Which has produced some hilarious results like drunk drivers suing their victims.

Somebody slamming on their brakes for a squirrel might be surprised to see their insurance rates go up.
2012-12-31 03:54:33 PM
1 votes:
This sign is in Michigan; we have similar signs in Washington state. On our highways truck speeds are generally lower that car speeds.

media.mlive.com
On another point, how did she get next to the truck, and get stuck there for three miles, if they were both traveling the speed limit? Either the truck sped up to get alongside her (presumably she was in right lane then) or she sped up, got alongside the truck and then failed to complete her pass.

The car and truck did not magically end up next to each other.
2012-12-31 03:51:45 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: Theaetetus: If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.

She didn't "block" anyone who was obeying the law and going the speed limit. She only "blocked" people trying to BREAK THE LAW.

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Not her job to enforce the law. Not by impeding traffic, and not by kicking in the doors of meth houses either. It's not a valid excuse.
2012-12-31 03:44:26 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: Rootus: How about you quit driving aggressively to enforce other people following the law, and let cops handle it?

Translation: Get out of my way so I can break the law!

Gee, sorry- next time shall I make it easier for you to break the laws against burglary? Maybe leave my door wide open? Would that be okay?

It's not my job to make your breaking the law easier.


It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic. Just because you disagree with the application of the law doesn't mean you don't need to obey it.
2012-12-31 03:44:20 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: Translation: Get out of my way so I can break the law!


Your argument has a rather serious flaw. Most states have keep right laws. You're basically saying that conforming to one law means it is okay to break another law.
2012-12-31 03:44:04 PM
1 votes:

peasandcarrots: I love any thread that sets the "all police officers abuse their authority" crowd against the "I hate slow drivers" crowd. I plan on showing this article to my roommate to watch his head explode.


Sounds like you're describing me (I don't hate all cops, I just think they're being used incorrectly and are above the law). But I clearly think this cop is a hero...
2012-12-31 03:39:14 PM
1 votes:
The circle of idiocy is completed by traffic planners - they realize that everyone drives about 10mph over the speed limit, so on a stretch of road where it's perfectly safe to go 65mph, they set the speed limit at 55mph.

Now you just made that up. Stop that.
2012-12-31 03:36:02 PM
1 votes:
How to handle it, if it hasn't already been covered, unless the LEO was "lit up" I would immediately turn on my right turn signal and slow down to move over behind the semi.

I've done it.

Worked very nicely as I was passing a semi on I-5 at the speed limit. I stay in the right lane unless I'm passing a slower vehicle.

I flipped off the oinker as he passed me, and only then did he get behind me and light me up.

He didn't scratch me a ticket either. I told him to choose his words carefully, he was being recorded and then proceeded to lecture him about safe following distances.

He got in his patrol car and left.
2012-12-31 03:34:15 PM
1 votes:

Paka Ono: HERO


Came to say this...trolltastic headline indeed.

This cop is a farking hero. Wish there was virtual cops available, I'd install a dash cam immediately and they could look at all the asshats who block the left (passing) lane on my commute to and from work. The road I drive is 3 lanes (up to 4) both ways, yet I can never pass anyone because of the left lane hogs going the same speed as the other 2 lanes.
GTFO of the way already...
2012-12-31 03:33:08 PM
1 votes:
She should have just apologized, like this guy... I'm sure that wold have made everything better.
2012-12-31 03:32:44 PM
1 votes:

The Jami Turman Fan Club: jigger: ZeroPly: Not an emergency, officer? Then drive the speed limit like everyone else, sh*tbag.

No farking way. If a cop is driving the speed limit, nobody will pass him, and traffic gets blocked up for miles.

A cop should drive 1-2 mph faster than traffic normally goes. Keeps traffic flowing and keeps people from getting nervous because a cop is behind them for 20 miles.


This is completely missing the point. Americans have been indoctrinated into a system where going the speed limit entails driving slower than everyone else. The circle of idiocy is completed by traffic planners - they realize that everyone drives about 10mph over the speed limit, so on a stretch of road where it's perfectly safe to go 65mph, they set the speed limit at 55mph.

The speed limit is the maximum safe speed. As soon as you go 1mph over it, you're automatically allowing probable cause and a Terry stop. The only way I can drive on the highway while preserving my 4th amendment rights is by driving the speed limit.

If you think the speed limit is too slow, then campaign to change the speed limit. Otherwise you're perpetuating a system where you can be stopped for going 1mph over the limit (has happened numerous times), and can also be stopped for going the speed limit (impeding traffic). Bottom line - the police can stop any vehicle at any time, which is their wet dream.
2012-12-31 03:30:16 PM
1 votes:
Glad she got a ticket, left lane is for passing.
2012-12-31 03:28:32 PM
1 votes:

Thorny: Was pulled over in Arizona going 2 mph over on the freeway. Thought I had cruise control set on 1+ and I saw the cop on the side of the road and didn't think I needed to slow down. They gave me a warning...but still.

/some how kept from laughing


I probably would have got a ticket after asking "are you farking kidding me?"
2012-12-31 03:26:59 PM
1 votes:
Sounds kinda like the "pace setters" we have in town. They purposely drive 2 mph under and then call the cops with your make, model and license plate if you get within 10 feet of their bumper or god forbid pass them. Farking minivan driving soccer moms and Buick driving old broads.
2012-12-31 03:20:31 PM
1 votes:
fredfredklein: bhcompy: Impeding the flow of traffic laws exist in many states, and they're generally not tied to the speed limit, rather reasonable speeds ...

So, your argument is that it's "reasonable" to break the speed limit???

The Law might disagree.


Ever heard of the basic rule?

How about you quit driving aggressively to enforce other people following the law, and let cops handle it?

/passive aggressive is still very much aggressive, someone may eventually decide to be karma for you so be careful...
2012-12-31 03:17:26 PM
1 votes:

eas81: shinji3i: How does a story like this come to be? Someone received a traffic violation and then informed the local mediablogged it?

/FTFY
//Also GTFO of the "fast lane" there is a reason why its called the "fast lane" you farktard!!!


Actually, there is no reason it is called the "fast lane." I've driven in about 30 of the 50 US states (and half a dozen other countries), and I've never seen a sign for a 'fast lane.' I've seen signs for slow lanes (for slow trucks going uphill) but I've never seen a fast lane.

It's called the "passing lane," and I don't give a fark how "fast" you are going. If you aren't passing, GTFO of the passing lane.

This might be the first time I've made a pro-cop post on Fark, but the fuzz in this case was 100% correct.

And yes, in NJ this isn't just a good idea, it's the law. And WTF? Even if you don't think of the left lane as the passing lane, how much sense does it take to let a cop go around you? Does she know not to wipe back to front? Does she know not to eat gum she finds on the ground?

The story says she was on her way home from college. Holy shiat! She better be able to throw a ball or dribble or something, cause her academic abilities aren't going to get her very far.

Hey sugar tits. Get. The fark. Out. Of. The. Passing. Lane.
2012-12-31 03:16:31 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Eh. I'm as anti-cop as they come, but...


Why didn't she move to the middle lane?

"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed, thinking this was OK."

It wasn't. The trooper pulled her over and issued a summons for failing to keep right. The cop wasn't interested in her fear of moving to the right. And he sure didn't want to hear complaints about his own driving.

"Too bad," he told her, noting that he gave her "three miles" to find a way to yield.

If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.


This. She created a much more dangerous situation by pacing that truck, than if she had exceeded the speed limit briefly in order to pass it and get over into the right hand lane.
2012-12-31 03:13:38 PM
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "If we all followed that law," said Doug Groner of Hillsdale, "we'd have everybody squeezed into one right lane."

No farktard. Most European highways are 2 lanes and when people stay the fark right traffic flows 1000% better.


I can usually drive faster and pass easier in the right lane around here. This pisses me off to no end. Flashing lights and the horn don't seem to get the attention of the idiots who drive 3 over in the left lane and think they're doing something intelligent.
2012-12-31 03:12:45 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Trayal: A policeman/patrolman isn't going to pull somebody over for going 1mph over the speed limit, especially in such a situation when doing so would effectively clear a roadblock.

I drive about 100 miles per day, and so am in situations similar to this often. Just increase 1 or 2 mph, then move over and clear out of the lane. Never been pulled over for it; the cop generally just wants to be on his/her way.

It's about farking time somebody started enforcing the laws that are intended to maintain a clean flow of traffic. Kudos to this guy.

I had a Tennessee State Trooper tell me they don't get out of their cars for any less than 300 dollars, or a reckless driving ticket. On the other hand, Crump TN has "Officer Douchebag", who waited till I was technically out of his jurisdiction to pull me over after I had just gotten off work and decided to drive 100 miles to surprise my parents in the morning. Not only did Officer Douchebag try to get me to admit I had been drinking and then to let him search my car, he almost got his ass ran over by a logging truck because he was in Black BDUs and a tactical vest doing traffic work.


Karma's a mean biatch. :)
2012-12-31 03:08:17 PM
1 votes:
Was the dad in the car or was she alone? I am confused by this fact. If the dad was in the car, then why didn't he tell her to pass the truck and move over? I am guessing she was alone, texting on her iphone, to be safe she was traveling slow on the left lane, a cop pulled her over because she had to text her friend rather than get over, and told the cop who her daddy was.

/just sayin
2012-12-31 03:07:16 PM
1 votes:
Sounds like she's just inexperienced, but I'll bet (at least I hope) that she picked up some valuable experience from that incident. Unless the cop is seriously behind on collecting the road tax, 5 MPH over is not going to cause problems. A notable exception are small-town speed traps where tickets help pay the officer's salary.

I once passed a deputy sheriff on a country two-lane. He was going about 60 in a 65 MPH zone. I waited for a passing zone, signaled my lane changes and passed his slowpoke ass at at least 70. Not even a blink.
2012-12-31 03:07:12 PM
1 votes:
fark you biatch. He gave you three farking miles to move over and vacate the passing lane. You're not supposed to drive in it doing the speed limit. It's for PASSING. It's not his fault you're a crappy driver who doesn't know how to change a lane.
2012-12-31 03:06:52 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus:

If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.


At 65MPH, that is almost 3 WHOLE MINUTES of time. OMG! That is enough to listen to one Britney song or the just the guitar solo of a Rush one.

For all saying that you can brazenly drive 5 or 10MPH the speed limit, it varies to localities. Its part of the reason why I only drive Interstates and stay off the back roads. The pissant cops and sheriffs that are looking for a payday on Bumfark, OH are more likely to nabb you for doing 46 in a 45 than the a State trooper will for 5 or 10 over on the Interstate.

/CSB:

When the Atchafalaya basin bridge dropped the speed for cars to 60 they local sheriffs would patrol it pretty heavily. I was running the left lane at about 65 and was coming up on one. I thought about passing, but I slowed and pulled over behind him. The car behind me crept past him at somewhere between 60 and 63 I would guess. As soon his nose got in front of the cop, the lights came on. Its been years since I have seen a local cop on the basin bridge, it is now all troopers. I've never seen them stop anyone that was doing under 70MPH.

/CSB
2012-12-31 03:06:08 PM
1 votes:

pedrop357: Slowing down to change lanes behind it means you're still blocking traffic, maybe impeding or some other offense ; speeding up to get in front means you're, well, speeding .


Oh, for crying out loud!

Certainly, speeding up and overtaking the truck, and then pulling to the right is the better option, but no decent cop is going to ticket you for signalling your intention to pull to the right, and then slowing down enough so that you can.  And if they do, then they really are a jerk of a cop.

The cop in this instance, wasn't, IMHO.
2012-12-31 03:03:55 PM
1 votes:

jigger: ZeroPly: Not an emergency, officer? Then drive the speed limit like everyone else, sh*tbag.


No farking way. If a cop is driving the speed limit, nobody will pass him, and traffic gets blocked up for miles.

A cop should drive 1-2 mph faster than traffic normally goes. Keeps traffic flowing and keeps people from getting nervous because a cop is behind them for 20 miles.
2012-12-31 03:02:37 PM
1 votes:

Funbags: Relevant video


that was a beautiful thing.

I've found that there is no need for "brake checks" or any dangerous methods to correct this situation.  Simply get in front of the mental patient and do the exact speed they are.  They will try to move around you, or at least move over as you have taken away their motivation for derping down the fast lane in the first place, that is to have an un-obstructed lane.   Of course any reactive behavior is stupid as the driver goes back to being  an ass as soon as you leave their sight.
2012-12-31 02:59:06 PM
1 votes:

bhcompy: It's a grey area, but the laws are ambiguous for a reason.


Yeah- so the cops can arrest you no matter what you do.
2012-12-31 02:57:26 PM
1 votes:
The only ticket I ever got was for passing on the right. The only car in the left lane was driving slowly and I was stuck behind it. There was a break in traffic in the right lane so I went around the slow car and pulled back into the left, "fast", lane. About a mile down the road I get pulled over by a state cop. I think I am getting a speeding ticket because I usually set my cruise at 8 mph over the speed limit. The state cop starts going off his nut about me passing in the right lane and I am relieved he doesn't mention my speed one time. As I try to explain the left lane car had everybody behind him boxed in and I thought they should have pulled back over to the right lane he really goes off his rocker and starts telling me he is going to also give me a ticket for reckless driving and asks if I have been drinking. I said no but he still made do the sobriety test and a breathalyzer. I passed the sobriety test and blew a zero, I told him I wasn't drinking, that just seemed to make him madder that he couldn't arrest me. Now he wants to search the car, with my wife and kid in it and I told him no, he didn't have any probable cause. He made stand outside with my hands on the trunk of the car and don't "move one farking inch" He goes back to his car for probably 20 minutes, most likely running my license and looking for warrants or any other reason to search the car or arrest me. He finally comes out gives me one ticket for passing on the right and tells me he is going to be watching for my car in the future. After most likely over an hour I am back on my way with him tailgating me for the next 20 miles waiting for me to do something else he can pull me over for, he finally gives up and stops at one of his speed traps between the four lane.

/long story
//asshole cop
///I still don't know where he was when he saw me and pulled me over, I always keep an eye out for them
/And I still set my cruise at 8 mph over and pass on the right
2012-12-31 02:56:27 PM
1 votes:
Note: In most places cops don't care about 5-10 over. They don't even care about 15 over if they have somewhere more important to be, but there's no way if you can know that or not. Get in front, slow down. (This does not apply in Virginia and Ohio. Better to brake and get behind the semi in those cases. Why some states breed total farkwad state police instead of the usual occasional farkwads is anyone's guess.)

The reality is that she was just another of those idiot drivers who speeds up or slows down to match anyone who gets alongside her, because then she can completely disconnect her brain and stop thinking about anything in front of or behind her. She probably didn't even know there was a cop there. I see them every day, they're more common in rural areas but even urban ones have their fair share.
2012-12-31 02:52:35 PM
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Rich Cream: mbillips: SPEED UP SLOW DOWN, YOU IDIOT, IT'S SAFER!

Now it's intelligent.


It's all about delta V. Go the speed of the prevailing traffic. People who try to drive 55 because that's on the sign, but everyone around the is going 65-70? THEY'RE the ones causing the danger, not everyone else.
2012-12-31 02:52:27 PM
1 votes:
This lady is an idiot. Stay right except to pass. What part of the law does she not understand?
2012-12-31 02:52:14 PM
1 votes:
I was driving at night on the interstate, nearly empty road.
Playing "you go first" up and down the hills with a truck, in a nice way.
Uphill I go left lane, downhill he goes past me, I go right lane again.
Over and over.
So we reach the crest of a hill and there's this maniac suddenly right behind me, tailgating like a crazy person AND with his lights of. It was 11pm or so.
I'm not into it.
I hit the gas and speed the fark up because I don't like being in dangerous situations.
The other car rides my rear so hard, the truck starts to speed up going down hill, I speed up more.
THAT'S when the trooper puts his lights on, after pushing me to 85+ mph.

I won the "not guilty" case in court, the judge admonished the tool/fool.
2012-12-31 02:48:22 PM
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fredklein: Theaetetus: If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.

She didn't "block" anyone who was obeying the law and going the speed limit. She only "blocked" people trying to BREAK THE LAW.


Reasonable people understand that the "Speed Limit" is really just a driving tax assigned by a random lottery and a job creation program for expensivly maintained agents of the State. If we really wanted to modern technology would allow for speeding tickets to be assigned the second a vehicle went over the speed limit on any State road. But then revenue would dry up and police would sit idle most of the day with unfunded pension plans.

That's why blocking passing lane laws in most States disregard the speed limit. It sucks when the cop is behind you and it creates a catch-22, but you can either creep up for the pass or put your signal on while slowly breaking, hoping the cop is paying attention and will understand you are changing lanes.

Probably shouldnt have been in that lane beforehand if you weren't intending to pass.
2012-12-31 02:44:02 PM
1 votes:

vudukungfu: Quantum Apostrophe: Isn't there a "make way" law?

For cops, yeah.
You don't have to like them, but GTF out of their way.
Let them go and stay off their radar.


Couldn't you plead that the truck driver was at fault for not obeying the legal responsibility of letting you pass. If you give the signals, they are legally required to do all in their ability to let you get around them. Since the truck didn't allow this, nor could she break the speed limit without committing a crime, nor slow down without causing an accident because the cop was tailgating you are pretty much screwed. The judge is going to believe the cop 99.9% of the time even if they are lying, put you in an impossible situation, or flat out cause the accident, unless you got a recording of it and hope they don't prosecute you for making illegal recordings of cops.
2012-12-31 02:38:59 PM
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serial_crusher: This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.


Rarely is a Jersey girl, "a catch."  Maybe catch and release if your desperate.
2012-12-31 02:38:27 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: bhcompy: Impeding the flow of traffic laws exist in many states, and they're generally not tied to the speed limit, rather reasonable speeds ...

So, your argument is that it's "reasonable" to break the speed limit???

The Law might disagree.


It's a grey area, but the laws are ambiguous for a reason. Slow traffic on a fast moving road is very dangerous.
2012-12-31 02:37:48 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: She didn't "block" anyone who was obeying the law and going the speed limit. She only "blocked" people trying to BREAK THE LAW.


Want to know how I know you're an idiot? KRETP is also a law........
2012-12-31 02:29:33 PM
1 votes:
Sitting next to a truck for three minutes sounds like a really stupid idea. Then again, I'm the sort of person that will sit in the left lane, trailing behind the truck until it is completely clear for me to pass the truck. Then I accelerate so that I can pass the entire length of the truck in one action.

But that's just me. I just got my license a month ago, so I obviously know nothing.
2012-12-31 02:25:32 PM
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Eve L. Koont: If there's no cars within a mile of them why get pissy if someone rides the left lane for a bit?


Because people say things like that then they come upon traffic farther ahead or get in the habit and it becomes a problem.

Just follow the farking rules. It's amazing how much more smoothly traffic flows in most places if people just learn to follow the basic rules the roads were designed for and don't try making up their own or making excuses for why it's okay for them to break the rules "this time".
GBB
2012-12-31 02:22:41 PM
1 votes:
In Florida, it seems that lane assignments are backwards. I routinely travel on I4, North of Orlando and I always stay in the right, almost completely abandoned, lane. Everyone stays in the middle lane, some people will drive in the left lane, but the right lane is almost always free and clear and I rocket around everyone.

Don't get me wrong. I don't believe I should be passing anyone in the right lane. I drive in the right lane, like I'm supposed to, and if I come up on someone, I respectfully pass them on their left. But, if the right lane is clear, that's where I'll be. It's everyone else that's driving wrong.
2012-12-31 02:14:34 PM
1 votes:
I remember cops used to drive in the right lane so they wouldn't interfere with traffic.
Now they are just dicks.
2012-12-31 02:14:29 PM
1 votes:
Drivers who fail to keep right are almost as bad as cyclists, gun owners, and atheists
2012-12-31 02:14:08 PM
1 votes:
CSB time:

Once got pulled over on hwy 101 in CA for driving 15 over the limit - broad daylight (two lanes each direction)

Told the cop "sorry officer, I had been stuck behind to idiots that were driving side-by-side for miles, so when I finally had the chance to pass, I guess I went overboard"  (a story that, while not factual, was actually almost partially true)

He let me go without so much as a warning.

/CSB
2012-12-31 02:12:51 PM
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AssAsInAssassin: If the cop was in such a hurry, why didn't he proceed when she pulled over? Sounds to me like he was trolling the highway.


That, sir, is a tautology.
2012-12-31 02:12:14 PM
1 votes:

bhcompy: Also, I find it odd that people don't know to keep right. Most(all?) states require driving school. I did mine in '99. Stay right unless you want to pass was pounded in my head more than anything else, and that's in California where staying right isn't possible in the perpetual traffic jam.


I don't know the laws everywhere else, but in Michigan, you can bypass the driving school if you wait until you're 18. At that point all you have to do is take a written test, drive on a permit for a month(or 30 days, whatever), and take the actual drivers test. $75 start to finish(most people opt to take the drivers school so they can get their license at 16, though).

But that's besides the point, since most highways have a sign every .5 miles that remind you to keep right except to pass.

LesserEvil: Here in Michigan, on limited access roads (highways) with two lanes in a single direction, the left lane is for PASSING and authorized vehicles. You will get ticketed by State Troopers for this sort of nonsense.


You will also get ticketed for not moving over for stopped emergency vehicles(my dad learned that the hard way).
2012-12-31 02:10:09 PM
1 votes:
What no HERO tag for the cop?

Stay out of the left lane!
2012-12-31 02:07:44 PM
1 votes:
Every farking day I have to deal with human slugs who run rolling roadblocks from the left lane. How do you pass a DL test without knowing that blocking the passing lane is bad? She deserves a ticket. My compliments to this cop.

It doesn't help that I live in area where a critical mass of people have warrants, so they always cruise 5 miles under. Many will make u-turns if they see rollers ahead.
2012-12-31 02:07:14 PM
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JeffMD: I hate people who freeze up and suddenly become model citizens of the law at the sigh of a cop car. Just the other day I actually had to swirv into the passing lane cause an idiot droped from 75 to 65 (70sl) when passing a cop car scanning from the side.


You had to swirv? Urban dictionary definition for swirv - a person who has sexual fantasies about being fed grapes by an earthworm.

Seriously, if you had to swerve to avoid someone slowing down from 75 to 65, you were following too close or you weren't paying attention to begin with.
2012-12-31 02:05:58 PM
1 votes:

vinnydoz007: In this case, the woman may have been in the wrong. But ive experienced a similar incident. And i didnt want to speed either with the cop on my ass, and there was a line of cars in the middle lane blocking me. I finally decided to speed up to get around them, and was immediatly pulled over. I explained to the cop exactly what happened, and he didnt disagree. He was just trying to meet his quota, so he wrote me 3 BS tickets which i fought and didnt pay a dime. But even the cop admitted, he could easily give me a speeding ticket, and id have no reason to argue. It is messed up when they pull this shiat. But i mean, its just part of driving. When these guys have to make quotas, they kinda have to do this shiat sometimes.


I smell bull shiat.
2012-12-31 02:05:31 PM
1 votes:
She should have just opened fire on the tailgater and "TAH DAH!!!", PROBLEM SOLVED!
2012-12-31 02:05:27 PM
1 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Cop has a dash cam. He may get in some minor trouble for following too closely (if he even was)


That made me laugh so hard the dog started barking at me... cop getting in trouble for breaking the law, that's hilarious.
2012-12-31 02:04:24 PM
1 votes:
traveling to work in newark years ago i often saw state troopers on the NJTP doing 80-85 a good 12 to 36" behind the car in front of them. one hand on the wheel while they intensely scrutinized your shiat in the next lane. hard arse no fear mother farkers, those boys. must have scared the shiat out of the car in front of them. route 80 traffic also gets insane. seeing 12-15 cars lock it up in a row at high speed and make the rear ends jump in the air at once - NASCAR should be that sick.
2012-12-31 02:04:16 PM
1 votes:
3 miles is enough time and distance to get pass the truck with out going 5 miles over or slowing down and dropping behind . The question is did she have a Florida tag on the car ?
2012-12-31 02:04:15 PM
1 votes:
I don't know about traffic laws in all states, but don't most have speed limits of X means you can go X+5 or X+10 to pass? I know of at least two states, and I presume a third but can't be assed to look it up to verify, but I was under the impression passing was a common exception, specifically so you are not impeding traffic.
2012-12-31 02:04:11 PM
1 votes:

shinji3i: How does a story like this come to be? Someone received a traffic violation and then informed the local mediablogged it?


/FTFY
//Also GTFO of the "fast lane" there is a reason why its called the "fast lane" you farktard!!!
2012-12-31 02:03:56 PM
1 votes:

bhcompy: JonnyG: The horrible thing is that this is actually a tactic trained to and used by police everywhere. I agree that slow drivers should move over and let faster drivers by, but only up to the speed limit. Police are trained to try and push you over the speed limit, make you nervously weave, etc.

Impeding the flow of traffic laws exist in many states, and they're generally not tied to the speed limit, rather reasonable speeds or flow of traffic speeds. If you're slower than someone else on the road, you shouldn't be in the left lane. Easy as that.


I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I agree.
2012-12-31 02:02:26 PM
1 votes:

lexnaturalis: Considering my wife just got a ticket for a rear-end collision in which the car in front of her suddenly slammed on the brakes, I'm going to say you're simply making stuff up.


Depends on what you can prove. Install your own dash cam like the Russians do to protect yourself from liability.
2012-12-31 02:01:14 PM
1 votes:
Three miles? If the limit was 60 and she was doing exactly sixty then I really doubt she'd have got a ticket for doing 61, even ignoring the fact that 61 on your speedo is almost certainly about 56.
At 61 she'd have cleared a semi in twenty seconds, a third of a mile.
2012-12-31 02:00:14 PM
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Can we get her a trophy? I mean just think of the stress and panic of not knowing what to do. I mean she is operating a 3-5 ton vehicle after all.

Maybe we can just ban stupid people.

Extra points if she had a sticker that says. I have a "dog/cat/squirell/chicken" and i vote sticker on the car.
2012-12-31 01:59:51 PM
1 votes:

JonnyG: The horrible thing is that this is actually a tactic trained to and used by police everywhere. I agree that slow drivers should move over and let faster drivers by, but only up to the speed limit. Police are trained to try and push you over the speed limit, make you nervously weave, etc.


Impeding the flow of traffic laws exist in many states, and they're generally not tied to the speed limit, rather reasonable speeds or flow of traffic speeds. If you're slower than someone else on the road, you shouldn't be in the left lane. Easy as that.
2012-12-31 01:59:42 PM
1 votes:
If you don't know how to allow natural flow on a highway, you have no place being there. A couple MPH over the speed limit to get your goddamn ass out of the way is fine.
2012-12-31 01:58:36 PM
1 votes:
In this case, the woman may have been in the wrong. But ive experienced a similar incident. And i didnt want to speed either with the cop on my ass, and there was a line of cars in the middle lane blocking me. I finally decided to speed up to get around them, and was immediatly pulled over. I explained to the cop exactly what happened, and he didnt disagree. He was just trying to meet his quota, so he wrote me 3 BS tickets which i fought and didnt pay a dime. But even the cop admitted, he could easily give me a speeding ticket, and id have no reason to argue. It is messed up when they pull this shiat. But i mean, its just part of driving. When these guys have to make quotas, they kinda have to do this shiat sometimes.
2012-12-31 01:58:31 PM
1 votes:
20 yr old female couldn't blow her way out of this??
Sounds fishy
2012-12-31 01:58:20 PM
1 votes:
2012-12-31 01:57:33 PM
1 votes:
The horrible thing is that this is actually a tactic trained to and used by police everywhere. I agree that slow drivers should move over and let faster drivers by, but only up to the speed limit. Police are trained to try and push you over the speed limit, make you nervously weave, etc.
2012-12-31 01:56:16 PM
1 votes:

EnviroDude: citizens arrest the cop for following too closely.

/and if that doesn't work, next time brake for an amoeba and get rear ended
//sue


Please stop having opinions. You aren't ready yet.
2012-12-31 01:55:54 PM
1 votes:
GTFO! (over) and don't allow yourself to be caught in the passing lane. This is not rocket science.

/Former LEO
2012-12-31 01:55:26 PM
1 votes:
Come to Chicago, people ride the left lane here more than anywhere I've been.  People will sit in the left lane when there isn't another car within a mile of them.
2012-12-31 01:54:28 PM
1 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: SnarfVader: Bad driver thread!

/Makes popcorn

No, Bad state thread.

/grows popcorn


SUCKY 20-something WOMAN DRIVER thread.
/Get. Off. My. Turnpike.
//steals popcorn.
2012-12-31 01:52:22 PM
1 votes:
Isn't there a "make way" law?
2012-12-31 12:43:33 PM
1 votes:
It was a girl, what do you expect?
2012-12-31 11:12:13 AM
1 votes:
Was that entire article a set-up to attend defensive driving?
2012-12-31 10:39:46 AM
1 votes:
Bad driver thread!

/Makes popcorn
 
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