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2013-01-01 01:58:44 PM

Gyrfalcon: Oh, so much this. More so for the ones who hit their brakes because they see a cop on the SIDE OF THE ROAD giving some other poor fool a ticket. Do they think the cop is going to remember they were the ones speeding and come chase them next? (That's not the same thing as slowing when passing an accident scene, btw, although looky-loos need to die also)

This chicklet needs to get her traffic ticket doubled for biatching about it.


Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but Texas recently passed a "move over" law requiring drivers approaching an emergency vehicle on the side of the road with its lights on (including tow trucks) to either move out of the right lane or slow down 20 MPH below posted speed limit. Here's an article about it.
 
2013-01-01 02:39:53 PM

soj4life: If you are going to be going the speed limit, do not be in the left lane. The left lane is for passing. This driver had 3 miles to make a decision, the cop had to make it for her.


Fun fact: You can't exceed the speed limit even when you are passing.
 
m00
2013-01-01 04:07:02 PM
I understand the frustration. This happens to be a lot:

I'm behind a truck in the right lane, he's going 60 and it's 65mph limit... I get in the left to pass him, and he speeds up (for what-ever reason... going downhill, road straightens, etc). I'm generally on cruise control but truck speeds I've noticed are extremely variable. If I'm in a notorious speed trap zone, I usually just slow down and get behind him again while doing the "oh come on" gesture. If I'm not in a notorious speed trap zone, I pass him as fast as I can and get back in the right lane.

Now if during this time a cop gets up my ass, I would immediately signal and then either speed up (and risk it) or slow down, and let him pass. If he's tailgating, I can only speed up. But I can completely understand how speeding with a cop up your ass is unnerving. Because they can pull you over and ticket you for going just a few miles over... whether or not they will is up to the cop.
 
2013-01-01 05:54:00 PM

snocone: We call this behavior "Passive Aggression".
Makes you a dick.


Obeying the law makes you a dick? Got it.
 
2013-01-01 06:42:52 PM

snocone: Rye_: fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.

If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic, and, like it or not, you'll probably be pulled over for it. You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go out in your car, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.

We call this behavior "Passive Aggression".
Makes you a dick.


Impeding traffic wouldn't be the right charge. Improper lane use might be. But if you're trying to go faster than the speed limit, then you both are co-morons to that stupidity.
 
2013-01-01 06:47:20 PM

fredklein: snocone: We call this behavior "Passive Aggression".
Makes you a dick.

Obeying the law makes you a dick? Got it.


no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.
 
2013-01-01 07:15:28 PM

Baloo Uriza:

Impeding traffic wouldn't be the right charge. Improper lane use might be. But if you're trying to go faster than the speed limit, then you both are co-morons to that stupidity.


Oklahoma has a traffic statute that stipulates "failing to yield to an overtaking motor vehicle" as a chargeable offense. Pretty sure most other states do too.
 
2013-01-01 07:33:36 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.


For the last time, people:

If everyone obeys the speed limit, then the 'keep right except to pass' is irrelevant, since everyone is going the same speed.

But, some of you don't seem to get it. let's look at the 4 possibilities:

Everyone obeys Both laws.
Everyone obeys the speed limit, but not the Keep Right law.
Everyone obeys the Keep Right law, but not the speed limit.
No one obeys either.

If everyone obeys Both laws, we end up with everyone in the Right lane, going the speed limit. The left lane is never used. That makes no sense.

If everyone obeys the speed limit, but not the Keep Right law, we end up with everyone going the speed limit, but both lanes of the road being used. This is the most efficient use of the road.

If everyone obeys the Keep Right law, but not the speed limit (like a lot of you want), we wind up with the right lane at 55 (maybe 65), and the left lane at 80 or more. This speed differential leads to more, and worse, accidents.

And finally, if no one obeys either law, we end up with the roads as they are now.
 
2013-01-01 07:38:58 PM

fredklein: The_Original_Roxtar: no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.

For the last time, people:

If everyone obeys the speed limit, then the 'keep right except to pass' is irrelevant, since everyone is going the same speed.


for the last time, retard:
Speedometers are not 100% accurate. so your "60mph" isn't the same as anyone else's "60mph".
everyone is NOT "going the same speed".

MOVE
THE
fark
OVER
 
2013-01-01 07:45:43 PM

RatOmeter: Baloo Uriza:

Impeding traffic wouldn't be the right charge. Improper lane use might be. But if you're trying to go faster than the speed limit, then you both are co-morons to that stupidity.

Oklahoma has a traffic statute that stipulates "failing to yield to an overtaking motor vehicle" as a chargeable offense. Pretty sure most other states do too.


That doesn't stop the fact that exceeding the maximum posted speed is a chargeable offense damn near anywhere you go on the planet that has motor vehicles.
 
2013-01-01 07:57:14 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: for the last time, retard:
Speedometers are not 100% accurate. so your "60mph" isn't the same as anyone else's "60mph".
everyone is NOT "going the same speed".


Unluckily for you, whether you are speeding or not isn't determined by YOUR speedometer, but rather by the actual speed you are going, as measured (usually) by a machine that bounces electromagnetic energy off of your car and measures the bounce back.
 
2013-01-01 08:06:30 PM

fredklein: The_Original_Roxtar: for the last time, retard:
Speedometers are not 100% accurate. so your "60mph" isn't the same as anyone else's "60mph".
everyone is NOT "going the same speed".

Unluckily for you, whether you are speeding or not isn't determined by YOUR speedometer, but rather by the actual speed you are going, as measured (usually) by a machine that bounces electromagnetic energy off of your car and measures the bounce back.


except that a mis-calibrated speedometer is a valid defense for speeding in many (if not all) states.

also, you just admitted that there is a possibility that you are going under the limit... so you should be in the right lane, just in case.
 
2013-01-01 08:38:34 PM

fredklein: The_Original_Roxtar: no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.

For the last time, people:

If everyone obeys the speed limit, then the 'keep right except to pass' is irrelevant, since everyone is going the same speed.

But, some of you don't seem to get it. let's look at the 4 possibilities:

Everyone obeys Both laws.
Everyone obeys the speed limit, but not the Keep Right law.
Everyone obeys the Keep Right law, but not the speed limit.
No one obeys either.

If everyone obeys Both laws, we end up with everyone in the Right lane, going the speed limit. The left lane is never used. That makes no sense.

If everyone obeys the speed limit, but not the Keep Right law, we end up with everyone going the speed limit, but both lanes of the road being used. This is the most efficient use of the road.

If everyone obeys the Keep Right law, but not the speed limit (like a lot of you want), we wind up with the right lane at 55 (maybe 65), and the left lane at 80 or more. This speed differential leads to more, and worse, accidents.

And finally, if no one obeys either law, we end up with the roads as they are now.


Except speed limit is the maximum. Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit, which is why many freeways have posted speed minimums, since large differences in speed are inherently dangerous. Slower traffic move right means just that. Are you slower? Yes. Move right.
 
2013-01-01 10:19:15 PM

bhcompy: Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit


[citation needed]
 
2013-01-02 03:04:00 AM

fredklein: bhcompy: Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit

[citation needed]


Wow, total troll mode now.

www.mesalek.com

US50 in CO, posted speed minimum because there is a problem with this. Being that it's Colorado, it could be farm traffic(tractors do not generally go that fast), hypermilers, bicyclists, or just plain slow drivers(CO drivers suck).

www.onntv.com

Ohio, different vehicles have different speed limits, yet share the same road, thus, in your world, where everyone drives the speed limit at all times, there are conditions where traffic forcibly moves at different speeds, thus creating a condition where slower traffic should move right, despite the fact the slower traffic may be moving at the speed limit.

Tulsa Oklahoma has various laws in the traffic code that apply:
SECTION 618. CONDITIONS AFFECTING SPEED
Notwithstanding the posted speed limits, any person driving a vehicle shall drive
the same at a careful and prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and
proper, having due regard to the traffic, surface and width of the roadway and any other
condition then existing; and no person shall drive any vehicle upon a roadway at a
speed greater than will permit him to bring it to a stop within the assured clear distance
ahead.

SECTION 619. SPEED LESS THAN MINIMUM POSTED SPEED
Any speed less than the minimum speed specified by official traffic-control
devices is unlawful.

SECTION 622. SPEED TOO SLOW FOR CONDITIONS
It shall be unlawful for any person to drive at such a slow speed as to impede the
normal and reasonable movement of traffic.


Section 618 clearly states that the speed limit does not apply when talking about reasonable speeds and that you should maintain reasonable speeds where reason is qualified by stopping distance, and Section 622 tails off 618 by stating that driving slower than reasonable speeds is unlawful.
Section 619 must exist because this is a problem enough to create a law to address the situation.

Basically, stop being a douche and get to the right if you're impeding the flow of traffic in your current lane.
 
2013-01-02 10:31:41 AM
Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.
I like how you ignored my original reply to you that showed you the logical fallacy you are going by fredklein. Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.
 
2013-01-02 11:24:38 AM

bhcompy: fredklein: bhcompy: Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit

[citation needed]

Wow, total troll mode now.


[snip minimum speed sign pix]

The fact a minimum speed limit exists is not proof that "Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit". Try again.

Ohio, different vehicles have different speed limits

Ooh, you've found an exception to the general rule. Therefore, the general rule must be completely invalid.

Section 618 clearly states that the speed limit does not apply when talking about reasonable speeds

Actually, that's meant for idiots who insist on driving the speed limit despite adverse conditions (thus the wording: "due regard to the traffic, surface and width of the roadway and any other condition then existing"). In any case, it mentions "prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper". Since it is not "prudent" to break the law, and it is "proper" to obey the speed limit, you are limited to the speed limit.

Basically, stop being a douche and get to the right if you're impeding the flow of traffic in your current lane.

Basically, stop being a douche and obey the speed limits.
 
2013-01-02 11:28:43 AM

CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.


Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.
 
2013-01-02 01:21:03 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: except that a mis-calibrated speedometer is a valid defense for speeding in many (if not all) states.


There is no state in the US where that is the case, but I'm sure that with your GED in law you'll find us one. The fact is that the absolute most you'll get with actual professional evidence of a miscalibrated speedo (which costs money to get) is sympathy from the judge, which may or may not get you a reduced fine or charge. Most of the time it's just wasted money.
 
2013-01-02 01:23:27 PM

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.


i hope one day you're driving somebody dear to you to the hospital... everyone on the highway is doing 3 under in all lanes... and you make it there just a few seconds too late.
 
2013-01-02 03:11:04 PM

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.


But you know that they don't. So keep breaking the law because other people are. You have some good logic.
 
2013-01-02 03:31:10 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.

i hope one day you're driving somebody dear to you to the hospital... everyone on the highway is doing 3 under in all lanes... and you make it there just a few seconds too late.


I'd call an ambulance- they have sirens to clear the traffic.
But thanks anyway for wishing death to my friends and relatives, simply because you want to speed on the highway.
 
2013-01-02 03:32:00 PM

CrazyCracka420: But you know that they don't. So keep breaking the law because other people are. You have some good logic.


As opposed to your logic: 'Everyone else should obey the law, so I am free to break it.'
 
2013-01-02 05:11:26 PM

CrazyCracka420: Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.


It's not a one-or-the-other; both would be.
 
2013-01-02 05:12:33 PM

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.


Not entirely, just less extreme.
 
2013-01-02 06:21:33 PM

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: But you know that they don't. So keep breaking the law because other people are. You have some good logic.

As opposed to your logic: 'Everyone else should obey the law, so I am free to break it.'


I never said I'm trying to break the law.

I know this is going to be hard for you to understand, since you clearly are doing your best to control other people's actions through your driving.

You can't control how fast other people drive on the road. You can control if you're impeding traffic flow.

You can't control if other people are going to break the law, you can control if you follow the law.
 
2013-01-02 07:26:26 PM

CrazyCracka420: You can't control how fast other people drive on the road.


You just said I can't control their speed... yet if I go the speed limit in the left lane, I'm forcing the speed demons to slow down, which is controlling thier speed. But you just said I can't control their speed....

Huh, guess you are wrong.

You can't control if other people are going to break the law

Again.... guess you're wrong.
 
2013-01-02 07:37:53 PM

fredklein: The_Original_Roxtar: fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.

i hope one day you're driving somebody dear to you to the hospital... everyone on the highway is doing 3 under in all lanes... and you make it there just a few seconds too late.

I'd call an ambulance- they have sirens to clear the traffic.
But thanks anyway for wishing death to my friends and relatives, simply because you want to speed on the highway.


i wish death to your friends and relatives because you think you should be able to break 1 law in order to force others to obey another law, whether they're actually breaking it or not (speedometers are not 100% accurate).

move
over
 
2013-01-02 07:59:51 PM

fredklein: In any case, it mentions "prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper". Since it is not "prudent" to break the law, and it is "proper" to obey the speed limit, you are limited to the speed limit.


Do me a favor and look up the definition of notwithstanding, or case law, or anything that requires you to exercise your brain.
 
2013-01-02 09:54:00 PM

bhcompy: fredklein: In any case, it mentions "prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper". Since it is not "prudent" to break the law, and it is "proper" to obey the speed limit, you are limited to the speed limit.

Do me a favor and look up the definition of notwithstanding, or case law, or anything that requires you to exercise your brain.


not·with·stand·ing
/ˌnätwiTHˈstandiNG/
Preposition
In spite of.

So, IN SPITE OF the speed limit bring 65, you cannot go that fast if the road is icy. It is not prudent or proper to do so. You must go slower.

Oh, and "and no person shall drive any vehicle upon a roadway at a speed greater than will permit him to bring it to a stop within the assured clear distance ahead." means you can't tailgate me either, speeder!

Not, you please look up the definition of "limit".
 
2013-01-02 09:55:02 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: i wish death to your friends and relatives


..and this is the type of person we're supposed to let break the law?
 
2013-01-03 11:11:27 AM

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: You can't control how fast other people drive on the road.

You just said I can't control their speed... yet if I go the speed limit in the left lane, I'm forcing the speed demons to slow down, which is controlling thier speed. But you just said I can't control their speed....

Huh, guess you are wrong.

You can't control if other people are going to break the law

Again.... guess you're wrong.


So you're temporarily stopping some people from breaking the law, but you yourself breaking the law? I'm sorry for your small penis, you can compensate in other ways besides trying to be the law enforcer on the road. Here's a news flash, that's the job of the police (to enforce the laws). All you're going to do when you play games with multi-ton vehicles, is piss off the wrong person and get killed in a fiery-steel crumpled ball. But at least they'll say you were in the right at your funeral.
 
2013-01-03 11:54:12 AM

CrazyCracka420: I'm sorry for your small penis, you can compensate in other ways besides trying to be the law enforcer on the road.


I'm sorry for your small penis, you can compensate in other ways besides speeding.

Here's a news flash, that's the job of the police (to enforce the laws).

I'll keep that in mind if I ever see you being assaulted. I'll make sure to stand there, watching, while awaiting the arrival of the police.
 
2013-01-03 12:01:06 PM

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: I'm sorry for your small penis, you can compensate in other ways besides trying to be the law enforcer on the road.

I'm sorry for your small penis, you can compensate in other ways besides speeding.

Here's a news flash, that's the job of the police (to enforce the laws).

I'll keep that in mind if I ever see you being assaulted. I'll make sure to stand there, watching, while awaiting the arrival of the police.


It's a date
 
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