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(North Jersey)   Driver refuses to break speed limit when tailgated by cop, gets ticket for blocking traffic instead   (northjersey.com) divider line 384
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2012-12-31 04:38:19 PM  

RoyBatty: Is this an east coast thing?

Driving in LA, SF, California and Arizona I've never seen "keep to the right" enforced in any manner.

I've also seen cops sitting in the left lane at the speed limit, and I've seen cops herding a bunch of cars by sitting in the middle lane and allowing cars and scared drivers to build up behind them (I usually set the cruise control for +2 mph and sneak past them in the fast lane).

And yes, I hate it when drivers and trucks "fly in formation" for miles at a time, but I've never seen anyone teach drivers not to fly in farking formation.

Anyway, I don't see why she is to blame any more than the truck next to her. And if the cop was tailgating her, I'd say yes the cop is at fault and if he wants to her to move over, he should signal her the way they do out here by flashing his headlamps, or his lights and drag her over like the one cop did in the video posted way above.

Also, what the hell is a European Highway, and what does it have to do with keep right laws in New Jersey?


I took Driver's Ed in Texas in the 80's and don't recall such a rule. There are a few "Slower Traffic Keep Right" signs, but I don't recall ever seeing a "Left Lane For Passing Only" sign in Texas (although TxDOT says they do exist).

In Texas we have partially just gotten rid of the idea of speed limits. I mean most highways are 70 mph. A few are 80 mph and some of the Tollways literally PAID the DOT to get a farking 85 mph limit. The contract actually stated they'd pay X millions more to the state if the state DOT would issue an 85 mph limit. Limits are supposed to be a safety-driven decision and paying for a limit is just outright bribery above-the-table.

We all remember the dark days when the 55 mph limit was ignored as everyone did 60, 65, 70, 75, whatever. As long as you're speeding, might as well speed a LOT. Then there's the person trying to be lawful (or transporting a shiatload of weed) at 57 mph and you nearly rear-end them.

But with 70 mph limits, well, few people really feel the need to be going more than 75 mph. Traffic is far more stable now, by my observation. That shiat where you've got a guy in front of you doing 5 mph under you, you want to change lanes but see there's someone behind you on the right doing 5 mph over you and you've be cutting him off if you changed now, that doesn't happen NEARLY as often.
 
2012-12-31 04:42:06 PM  

Oznog: But with 70 mph limits, well, few people really feel the need to be going more than 75 mph. Traffic is far more stable now, by my observation. That shiat where you've got a guy in front of you doing 5 mph under you, you want to change lanes but see there's someone behind you on the right doing 5 mph over you and you've be cutting him off if you changed now, that doesn't happen NEARLY as often.


That's similar to my experience in Arizona where the maximum posted limit is 75 (good luck when you find one though), but when you do find that, there aren't nearly as many people finding they need to exceed that dramatically compared to the 55 and 65 sections.
 
2012-12-31 04:44:43 PM  
he gave her "three miles" to find a way to yield.


Her own damn fault then.
 
2012-12-31 04:45:55 PM  

sammyk: t3knomanser: Sitting next to a truck for three minutes sounds like a really stupid idea. Then again, I'm the sort of person that will sit in the left lane, trailing behind the truck until it is completely clear for me to pass the truck. Then I accelerate so that I can pass the entire length of the truck in one action.

But that's just me. I just got my license a month ago, so I obviously know nothing.

Bravo! Have a free month of TF on me.


since you are feeling in a giving mood....

/jk
 
2012-12-31 04:48:21 PM  

RoyBatty: Oznog: But with 70 mph limits, well, few people really feel the need to be going more than 75 mph. Traffic is far more stable now, by my observation. That shiat where you've got a guy in front of you doing 5 mph under you, you want to change lanes but see there's someone behind you on the right doing 5 mph over you and you've be cutting him off if you changed now, that doesn't happen NEARLY as often.

That's similar to my experience in Arizona where the maximum posted limit is 75 (good luck when you find one though), but when you do find that, there aren't nearly as many people finding they need to exceed that dramatically compared to the 55 and 65 sections.


It's not just the need to go faster than posted, it's the risky spread of speed distributions. Safety is fine when you've got everybody doing 70 mph in a 55. But the spread of 55, 60, 65, 75, 80 mph all over the place is just unnecessarily dangerous.
 
2012-12-31 04:48:29 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: sammyk: t3knomanser: Sitting next to a truck for three minutes sounds like a really stupid idea. Then again, I'm the sort of person that will sit in the left lane, trailing behind the truck until it is completely clear for me to pass the truck. Then I accelerate so that I can pass the entire length of the truck in one action.

But that's just me. I just got my license a month ago, so I obviously know nothing.

Bravo! Have a free month of TF on me.

since you are feeling in a giving mood....

/jk


It was a nice gesture and the guy he gave it to is clearly a very intelligent and well deserving creature...but giving someone TF isn't a nice thing to do. We're already unproductive enough with normal fark.

Who pays money to read free news stories, talk about shiat online anyways?
 
2012-12-31 04:52:03 PM  

RoyBatty: Is this an east coast thing?

Driving in LA, SF, California and Arizona I've never seen "keep to the right" enforced in any manner.

Also, what the hell is a European Highway, and what does it have to do with keep right laws in New Jersey?


The US Interstate system was based on the German Autobahn. The keep right when not passing and no passing on the right is part of the Autobahn's legacy. It is law in most or all states, however not evenly enforced. Signs are almost never put up to remind drivers. I for one do wish enforcement was more consistent, along with allowing the driver 5 or 10 miles faster for the pass.

Quick story: I was in line at a Michigan Adventures' ride earlier this year when the lady started laughing that she always ride the left lane going 5 below the speed limit. She joked "F... them they'll go around". This big gal was reduced to tears when we reached the ride and couldn't fit her behind in the car. She was pissed that her skinny husband chose to ride without her. Good for him, he got to ride after her always getting the last pork chop.
 
2012-12-31 04:52:14 PM  

Funbags: Relevant video


thanks
 
2012-12-31 04:54:32 PM  

CrazyCracka420: HindiDiscoMonster: sammyk: t3knomanser: Sitting next to a truck for three minutes sounds like a really stupid idea. Then again, I'm the sort of person that will sit in the left lane, trailing behind the truck until it is completely clear for me to pass the truck. Then I accelerate so that I can pass the entire length of the truck in one action.

But that's just me. I just got my license a month ago, so I obviously know nothing.

Bravo! Have a free month of TF on me.

since you are feeling in a giving mood....

/jk

It was a nice gesture and the guy he gave it to is clearly a very intelligent and well deserving creature...but giving someone TF isn't a nice thing to do. We're already unproductive enough with normal fark.

Who pays money to read free news stories, talk about shiat online anyways?


oh i know, i was joking... i actually prefer just normal fark myself, but i must have done something that someone thought was deserving of TF.... for the life of me, I can't think what it might be. Oh well.
 
2012-12-31 04:54:55 PM  

NightOwl2255: So from that you conclude that:

They ticket both drivers, and let them fight it out in traffic court on the citation date unless the accident happened on private property, in which case they will only make a report if someone demands it.

Which is does not in any way say or imply. Okay then.


No., I conclude that what they do in actual practice is not prohibited by their guidelines. You seem to, on the other hand, have a magical inability to believe A) What a resident of the city says happens in that city and B) What the policies and procedures of that city don't preclude from happening. Your incredulity doesn't make it not happen.

Considering you live in Oklahoma City, and are arguing what happens in the city I live in doesn't actually happen, it's a laughable incredulity.
 
2012-12-31 05:02:27 PM  

BronyMedic: Considering you live in Oklahoma City, and are arguing what happens in the city I live in doesn't actually happen, it's a laughable incredulity.


Wow, you are a touchy little man, aren't you? I'm not arguing, you are. You made a claim, and then provided a cite for said claim. I pointed out, quite correctly, that your cite does not back up your claim, and in fact contradicts your claim. I neither know, nor care, what happens in your city. But, your claim is ridiculous, as is your "proof".
 
2012-12-31 05:05:51 PM  

NightOwl2255: But, your claim is ridiculous, as is your "proof".


>Big City Department doesn't want to fight out who's responsible in one of the most litigious cities in the United States.
>Big City Department doesn't have time to do so.
>Big City Department issues both parties citations with a court date to fight it out there.

NightOwl2255: I pointed out, quite correctly, that your cite does not back up your claim, and in fact contradicts your claim. that I have no idea how the wording of a policy can affect it's application in the field.


Fixed that for you. I didn't want you to seem silly otherwise.
 
2012-12-31 05:06:46 PM  

BronyMedic: NightOwl2255: But, your claim is ridiculous, as is your "proof".

>Big City Department doesn't want to fight out who's responsible in one of the most litigious cities in the United States.
>Big City Department doesn't have time to do so.
>Big City Department issues both parties citations with a court date to fight it out there.

NightOwl2255: I pointed out, quite correctly, that your cite does not back up your claim, and in fact contradicts your claim. that I have no idea how the wording of a policy can affect it's application in the field.

Fixed that for you. I didn't want you to seem silly otherwise.


The two of you should get a room.
 
2012-12-31 05:14:05 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: The two of you should get a room.


Naw, I'm not his type, I'm not a cop. He's fark's biggest badge-licker.
 
2012-12-31 05:15:54 PM  

ZeroPly: and can also be stopped for going the speed limit (impeding traffic).


If you stay out of the way you're never going to get ticketed for going the speed limit. Just because you're following one law doesn't mean you can't be breaking another.
 
2012-12-31 05:16:12 PM  
JFC! Just get over! She is going to get shot. The officer is doing her a favor by teaching her to move the fark over.
 
2012-12-31 05:17:11 PM  

BronyMedic: Fixed that for you. I didn't want you to seem silly otherwise.


Gotta hand it to you, even when proven wrong beyond any doubt, you don't give up the good fight. Funny thing is, you proved the proof. Which is, are you ready for it, silly.
 
2012-12-31 05:17:42 PM  

NightOwl2255: Naw, I'm not his type, I'm not a cop. He's fark's biggest badge-licker.


Which is a polite way of saying "I really have no clue what i'm talking about, I'm just posting to troll."
 
2012-12-31 05:18:46 PM  
"When I'm in the left lane passing slower vehicles, tailgaters get right up on me," said Harrington Park's Al Algeria. "What have your readers done?"

Al Algeria...that's almost as bad as Amanda Huggenkiss.
 
2012-12-31 05:20:33 PM  

NightOwl2255: Gotta hand it to you, even when proven wrong beyond any doubt, you don't give up the good fight. Funny thing is, you proved the proof. Which is, are you ready for it, silly.


I'm sorry. How did I prove what I said was wrong, again?

You're more than welcome to contact the Memphis Police Department to verify this happens. But what I cited to you didn't even come close to disproving that statement. Can you find something else to troll on?
 
2012-12-31 05:22:17 PM  

NightOwl2255: Gotta hand it to you, even when proven wrong beyond any doubt, you don't give up the good fight. Funny thing is, you proved the proof. Which is, are you ready for it, silly.


Also, you might want to scroll down to the bottom of that document:

17.Other moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident


Assign a court date

Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.


18.Other non-moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident


Assign a court date

  Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.
 
2012-12-31 05:25:01 PM  

JonnyG: The horrible thing is that this is actually a tactic trained to and used by police everywhere. I agree that slow drivers should move over and let faster drivers by, but only up to the speed limit. Police are trained to try and push you over the speed limit, make you nervously weave, etc.


Happened to me. At night on a foggy highway a vehicle tore up and parked itself directly off my driver's side quarter panel, not budging for ten miles. When I punched the gas to avoid a merging semi, on came the flashing lights. My radar detector caught the attention of Mr. Public Servant and risking an accident was a small price for reeling in such a dangerous offender as a speeder on an empty road.
 
2012-12-31 05:27:17 PM  
Gonna need a picture of the perp and her ta-tas to determine my level of outrage.
 
2012-12-31 05:30:23 PM  
I'm disappointed at seeing do many commenters make the same mistake as the driver. It's a pioritization problem. The clear flow of traffic > the speed limit. She understood both independently but when tested to choose which was situationally more important she went all deer in the headlights.

Treating speed limits like holy commandments while ignoring the context of the drivers around you is like putting full faith in the crosswalk sign. They'll say you were in the right at your funeral.
 
2012-12-31 05:31:31 PM  

evilmousse: They'll say you were in the right at your funeral.


And your family got a hell of a payday!

CHA CHING!

www.finalcall.com
 
2012-12-31 05:32:30 PM  

BronyMedic: I'm sorry. How did I prove what I said was wrong, again?


Here, in case you forgot:

BronyMedic: Taken directly from the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines. They ticket both drivers, and let them fight it out in traffic court on the citation date unless the accident happened on private property, in which case they will only make a report if someone demands it.


You clearly imply that as a matter of policy (you cite the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines after all) in rear-end collisions that both drivers are cited. Now, please find in your cited document where it says in they will ticket both drivers and let them fight it out in court. Hint: don't bother, it doesn't. When I pointed out this glaring error on your part, you then say, "it doesn't matter what the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines say, I'm telling you what they do." Again, since you are a bit on tilt, I'm not saying what they do, or don't do, what I am say, correctly, is that your cite does not back up your claim. And yes, we know, anyone that says anything you don't like is a troll. How nice. Since you obviously checked my profile (I love it when your type does that, looking for ammunition) you should know I don't really care about being called a troll.
 
2012-12-31 05:34:34 PM  
as someone who was riding a motorcycle yesterday and had a cop pacing me, i am getting a kick out of this...
/brand new ninja 300
//why yes, it is my first bike and i am loving it...
///no ticket, no did not ride conservatively, yes gtfo from the cops path of travel as soon as the light turned green and could move out quickly...
 
2012-12-31 05:35:56 PM  

BronyMedic: Also, you might want to scroll down to the bottom of that document:


Getting desperate I see. Still, in no way proves your claim. Doesn't even address your claim. My old pappy told me, boy, when you find you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging. You might want to put down the shovel.
 
2012-12-31 05:36:34 PM  

NightOwl2255: You clearly imply that as a matter of policy (you cite the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines after all) in rear-end collisions that both drivers are cited. Now, please find in your cited document where it says in they will ticket both drivers and let them fight it out in court. Hint: don't bother, it doesn't. When I pointed out this glaring error on your part, you then say, "it doesn't matter what the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines say, I'm telling you what they do." Again, since you are a bit on tilt, I'm not saying what they do, or don't do, what I am say, correctly, is that your cite does not back up your claim. And yes, we know, anyone that says anything you don't like is a troll. How nice. Since you obviously checked my profile (I love it when your type does that, looking for ammunition) you should know I don't really care about being called a troll.


Actually, I pointed out how you were wrong about the wording of the document precluding them from doing so, and that as a matter of actual practice they do. And I call you a troll because it seems the only time you post in a thread is to argue with me about something as of late.

Also, since you ignored the last part of that document, I'll state it again. It's an understandable mistake:

BronyMedic: 17.Other moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.


18.Other non-moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident

Assign a court date

  Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.


On both Accident with Injury and Non-Injury accidents that happen on public property, both parties in the City of Memphis get a court date to hash out who was responsible. It is NOT determined by the arriving officer because they inevitably turn into lawsuits in that city.

Before you claim an intellectual checkmate based on a source I used, it might help to read the entire document to avoid mistakes and embarrassment in the future.

So, I'll accept your unspoken apology about trolling.
 
2012-12-31 05:38:13 PM  

NightOwl2255: BronyMedic: Also, you might want to scroll down to the bottom of that document:

Getting desperate I see. Still, in no way proves your claim. Doesn't even address your claim. My old pappy told me, boy, when you find you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging. You might want to put down the shovel.


I just quoted to you the direct policy of the Memphis Police to give those involved a court date. The fact that you keep moving that goalpost is quite disheartening. You might want to keep it out of the road, be a pity if you got ran over.
 
2012-12-31 05:48:50 PM  
Tailgaters are the stupidest, most retarded idiots on the road. Except the drunks. Drunks are worse.

*slams on breaks*
 
2012-12-31 05:52:52 PM  

BronyMedic: On both Accident with Injury and Non-Injury accidents that happen on public property, both parties in the City of Memphis get a court date to hash out who was responsible. It is NOT determined by the arriving officer because they inevitably turn into lawsuits in that city.


You do know that your cite, the one in the post, does not say what you are saying it says, right? Keep trying, you will still be wrong, you know you're wrong, but keep trying.

Here, since you seem to want to forget, is what you claimed:

They ticket both drivers, and let them fight it out in traffic court on the citation date unless the accident happened on private property, in which case they will only make a report if someone demands it.

Not that they may do so, but that they do and as proof you linked to the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines. Not only do the guidelines not back your claim, this directly contradicts your claim: (from your cite)
Officers may issue traffic tickets at the crash scene based upon personal investigation without regard to personal injury or property damage. Common examples of vehicle crash cause factors that can be deduced from physical evidence at a scene include:

1. Following Too Close

An office may "deduced from physical evidence at a scene" who's at fault in a rear-end crash and issue a ticket. Which, once again, contradicts your claim. You are, simply wrong. You can call me a troll, you can copy and paste till your fingers fall off, and you will still be wrong. But, really, it's kinda fun watching you flail about.
 
2012-12-31 05:55:42 PM  
charge the cop with reckless endangerment, he followed to close and there are laws against it.

At the same time, biatch get the fark out the way
 
2012-12-31 05:56:03 PM  
This should happen more often. Huge PIA up here in Seattle.
 
2012-12-31 06:03:52 PM  
I drive a lot. I've never been reluctant to slow down and drop behind a car if I need to. Especially for those big boys who speed up from 55 to 70+ when they see a woman passing them on the left.
The easiest way to get a cop off your tail is to set the cruise control to the speed limit and then move to the right. Use the cruise control decelerate buttons to go 2-3 miles slower than the limit. I've never had a cop stay on my tail for longer than a mile.

Some things always bugged me though:
Isn't it uncomfortable to pace the car next to you? I don't know how people stand it.

How do you pass a truck that's going 10 or 15 mph slower than you on a two lane road when they swerve into both lanes at any slight curve? I've been stuck behind trucks for miles waiting for a leg of straight road to pass.
 
2012-12-31 06:05:56 PM  

Fade2black: Trolltastic tag, since the Cop should be a hero. It's called impeding traffic. If you're so afraid of a ticket when a cop is tailgating you, you MOVE THE fark OVER. Not all of us are passive aggressive douchebags in Prius's that choose to contribute to the road rage cases in this country. It is against the law to be in the left lane and not passing someone.


Being from the Midwest, I never understood the Prius-hate I encountered on the internet. I thought it was just a gas-guzzler's stereotype or a regurgitation of that whole south park 'smug' meme... But then I moved to Las Vegas 5 months ago; Holy hell, they're everywhere, they all have California plates, and you can't throw a rock without hitting one that's actively engaged in impeding traffic. My theory is they think that EVERY left lane is an HOV lane. And what is with the whole waiting 5 seconds after a light turns green before releasing the brake? How does that save gas? I'm absolutely bewildered by their apartment hostility towards normal traffic flow.

/drives an economy car
 
2012-12-31 06:18:24 PM  
*apparent

/phones suck as computers
 
2012-12-31 06:27:28 PM  

BronyMedic: I find it hard to believe that if she is momentarily exceeding the speed limit to allow an emergency vehicle to pass, or to maintain a safe flow of traffic that someone's going to write her a ticket over it.


Just look up this thread, for gnus sake.

vinnydoz007 2012-12-31 01:58:36 PM
In this case, the woman may have been in the wrong. But ive experienced a similar incident. And i didnt want to speed either with the cop on my ass, and there was a line of cars in the middle lane blocking me. I finally decided to speed up to get around them, and was immediatly pulled over. I explained to the cop exactly what happened, and he didnt disagree. He was just trying to meet his quota, so he wrote me 3 BS tickets which i fought and didnt pay a dime. But even the cop admitted, he could easily give me a speeding ticket, and id have no reason to argue. It is messed up when they pull this shiat. But i mean, its just part of driving. When these guys have to make quotas, they kinda have to do this shiat sometimes.
 
2012-12-31 06:29:56 PM  

NightOwl2255: You do know that your cite, the one in the post, does not say what you are saying it says, right? Keep trying, you will still be wrong, you know you're wrong, but keep trying.


BronyMedic: Also, you might want to scroll down to the bottom of that document:

17.Other moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.


18.Other non-moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident

Assign a court date

  Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.


Keep ignoring what I post. It seems to be your modus in these threads.
 
2012-12-31 06:34:51 PM  
Farked if you speed up to pas the truck, farked if you slow down to get behind the truck, and farked if you do nothing. The COP deserves a beating.

Bro In law has received both the speeding up and not moving ticket from the same stretch of highway within 30 days. He brought both tickets to court and they dismissed them.
 
2012-12-31 06:35:39 PM  

LtDarkstar: If she needed to speed a bit to get around the truck she would have been fine. A long time ago I volunteered for a local police department and got to go on ride-alongs. All of the Milwaukee-suburban police departments go by the following guidelines when pulling over speeders:

5 mph over - they will ignore you, feel free!
10mph over - they will most likely ignore you, unless it's early morning or late evening and they are bored
15mph over - this is the magic number, they will pull you over just about 100% of the time for doing this or higher

I tend to always drive 5mph over the limit and have never gotten pulled over or a ticket for doing so (I've driven past cops doing that and they just laugh and keep eating their donuts). So ya, she probably should have hopped up to 5mph over and stop being a wimp.


May not apply with Wisconsin State Patrol.

Got behind a trooper going 2 under. Would never pass a Wisconsin trooper. Apparently not alone in that sentiment, every vehicle would pull up in the left lane, see the trooper and drop back into line. One brave soul passed the line going 1-2 mph faster. As soon as he cleared the trooper, the trooper swung into the left lane and hit the lights.

/Have been passed by county cops going faster than my 5 over.
 
2012-12-31 06:36:14 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: fredklein:
On the other hand, if everyone followed the 'keep right except to pass' law, then you end up with speed demons flying by at 80mph, causing accidents.

No, because their path would be clear - they'd be passing everybody safely.


No, because what happens when an idiot going 80 comes up on an idiot going 70? Both are speeding, yet one is faster than the other. Do they collide, or does the one going 80 suddenly drop back into the right lane (which is going 55, maybe 65)??

Besides- speed differential is the leading cause of accidents, and responsible for increased damage in accidents. A car going 55 that has a blowout (or hits debris, etc) has a better chance of stopping without an accident than a car going 80. A car going 55 that leaves its lane and side-swipes another car going 55 will cause less damage than a car going 80 that hits a car going 55. So, everyone is safest when everyone goes the same speed. Speeding increases the chance of an accident, and increases how bad it will be when it happens.
 
2012-12-31 06:38:09 PM  

Trayal: In the real world, everybody doesn't drive exactly the same speed - ...there are 'keep right' laws.


So, it's perfectly fine that people don't obey one law, because we have another law that (if people obey it) lets them??
 
2012-12-31 06:38:28 PM  

A General Disdain For All Of Humanity: One brave soul passed the line going 1-2 mph faster. As soon as he cleared the trooper, the trooper swung into the left lane and hit the lights.

/Have been passed by county cops going faster than my 5 over.


I'd like to see what that ticket stated. Going the speed limit but faster than me?
 
2012-12-31 06:47:04 PM  

BronyMedic: Keep ignoring what I post. It seems to be your modus in these threads.


Keep posting info that in no way addresses, let alone proves, your claim.

It's very simple, you claimed that in a rear in collision, the police issue both drivers a ticket. As "proof" you linked to the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines, which I actually bothered to read. There was nothing in the guidelines to back up your claim, and in fact, contradicted your claim. You now, in a desperate attempt to avoid admitting you made a mistake, have resorted to citing parts of the guidelines that not only do not prove your claim, but doesn't even address your claim.

Thank you for the chance to post this again:
Officers may issue traffic tickets at the crash scene based upon personal investigation without regard to personal injury or property damage. Common examples of vehicle crash cause factors that can be deduced from physical evidence at a scene include:

1. Following Too Close


Which directly contradicts your claim.
Now, you could just move on and let it go. Or you could admit you made a mistake. Or you could continue to try and defend the indefensible.

I wonder which it will be.
 
2012-12-31 06:54:42 PM  

NightOwl2255: BronyMedic: Keep ignoring what I post. It seems to be your modus in these threads.

Keep posting info that in no way addresses, let alone proves, your claim.

It's very simple, you claimed that in a rear in collision, the police issue both drivers a ticket. As "proof" you linked to the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines, which I actually bothered to read. There was nothing in the guidelines to back up your claim, and in fact, contradicted your claim. You now, in a desperate attempt to avoid admitting you made a mistake, have resorted to citing parts of the guidelines that not only do not prove your claim, but doesn't even address your claim.

Thank you for the chance to post this again:
Officers may issue traffic tickets at the crash scene based upon personal investigation without regard to personal injury or property damage. Common examples of vehicle crash cause factors that can be deduced from physical evidence at a scene include:

1. Following Too Close

Which directly contradicts your claim.
Now, you could just move on and let it go. Or you could admit you made a mistake. Or you could continue to try and defend the indefensible.

I wonder which it will be.


-sigh-

And once again, you ignore reality, and the wording of text, to try to prove a point. In reality they: Issue a court date (I.e. Citation) to all involved. All that quoted context says is that they MAY issue a ticket, and the situations which might lead them to do so. (Something I never argued they didn't. By the way.)  They do not assign fault.A traffic court judge does so.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-31 07:01:38 PM  

TwowheelinTim: How to handle it, if it hasn't already been covered, unless the LEO was "lit up" I would immediately turn on my right turn signal and slow down to move over behind the semi.

I've done it.

Worked very nicely as I was passing a semi on I-5 at the speed limit. I stay in the right lane unless I'm passing a slower vehicle.

I flipped off the oinker as he passed me, and only then did he get behind me and light me up.

He didn't scratch me a ticket either. I told him to choose his words carefully, he was being recorded and then proceeded to lecture him about safe following distances.

He got in his patrol car and left.


ROFL. Good one.
 
2012-12-31 07:06:45 PM  

fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.


If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic, and, like it or not, you'll probably be pulled over for it. You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go out in your car, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.
 
2012-12-31 07:09:57 PM  
to the "if everyone does the speed limit" idiots:

speedometers are not perfect.. and they are based on tire diameter which changes as the tire wears
Lets say yours reads 3% fast, and mine reads 3% slow

so, 60 x .97 = 58.2
and 60 x 1.03 = 61.8
61.8-58.2 = 3.6
that's a 3.6 MPH difference and we're both going "60"
 
2012-12-31 07:14:20 PM  

BronyMedic: And once again, you ignore reality, and the wording of text, to try to prove a point. In reality they: Issue a court date (I.e. Citation) to all involved. All that quoted context says is that they MAY issue a ticket, and the situations which might lead them to do so. (Something I never argued they didn't. By the way.) They do not assign fault.A traffic court judge does so.


Yep, you picked the one we knew you would.

Once again, you claimed that in the case of a rear-end collision, the cops issues tickets to both drivers. You didn't qualify the statement, you didn't say "sometimes" or they "may". You stated as a fact and even linked to guidelines as if the guidelines would prove your claim. They didn't. You have yet to produce anything that even remotely backs-up that claim. Using your cite, I have shown that according to the guideline there is nothing that would prove such a claim and in fact, following too closely is one of the numerated instances when the cop may, based on the physical evidence, issue traffic tickets at the crash scene. Now, it would kind of silly to think that based on the physical evidence of following too closely they would issue tickets to both drivers. And I see that with this gem, "They do not assign fault", you have gone completely off the range. I mean, you're not even in the same area code of the range.
Care to try again? Hint: when you start with the pics, you're waving the white flag.
 
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